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Nice muslims? Unthinkable!

Quagmus
29-04-2006, 15:26
Apparently, there are liberal movements within islam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_movements_within_Islam).:eek:

Even talk of reform, updating, re-interpreting koran, etc.

Then again, wiki has its' errors:rolleyes:
Tactical Grace
29-04-2006, 15:29
Liberals infiltrate everything. :mad:
DrunkenDove
29-04-2006, 15:38
Liberals infiltrate everything. :mad:

Good at getting under the bed, apparently. (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0976726904/103-7439877-6953445?v=glance&n=283155)
Jenrak
29-04-2006, 15:40
Liberals infiltrate everything. :mad:

They are real threat.
BogMarsh
29-04-2006, 15:40
Are those reforms going to lead to a large number of muslims willing to do our bidding on demand?

If not, the distinction between liberal and orthodox islam is a distinction without a difference.
Quagmus
29-04-2006, 15:46
Are those reforms going to lead to a large number of muslims willing to do our bidding on demand?

If not, the distinction between liberal and orthodox islam is a distinction without a difference.
Yes, apparently that is the purpose of the reforms. In their liberalness, they will lick any feet that kick them.

Who is We?
BogMarsh
29-04-2006, 15:47
Yes, apparently that is the purpose of the reforms. In their liberalness, they will lick any feet that kick them.

Who is We?


For the purpose of the discussion, anyone who doesn't sport the abomination of a circumcission, regardless as gender.

PS: RULE, Britannia!
Quagmus
29-04-2006, 16:19
They are real threat.
The Infiltrati?
Kyronea
29-04-2006, 17:27
Good at getting under the bed, apparently. (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0976726904/103-7439877-6953445?v=glance&n=283155)
What the hell? I would never subject my children to that bullshit. King & King, though, I might do that one, if it's that book about gays I keep hearing about lately.
Kzord
29-04-2006, 17:30
Apparently, there are liberal movements within islam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_movements_within_Islam).:eek:

Even talk of reform, updating, re-interpreting koran, etc.

Good luck to them not getting killed. With any luck they'll move the middle east into the twentieth century!
HotRodia
29-04-2006, 17:33
Liberals infiltrate everything. :mad:

That they do. But we don't mind, right? If the liberals are getting in the mix with the conservatives, we come out with centrist stew. Mmmm, centrist stew. Anyone else hungry?
Bolol
29-04-2006, 17:34
Apparently, there are liberal movements within islam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_movements_within_Islam).:eek:

Even talk of reform, updating, re-interpreting koran, etc.

Then again, wiki has its' errors:rolleyes:

There are good people in every institution. Trouble is they tend to be less intrusive than the asshats.
Charlen
29-04-2006, 17:48
Apparently, there are liberal movements within islam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_movements_within_Islam).:eek:

Even talk of reform, updating, re-interpreting koran, etc.

Then again, wiki has its' errors:rolleyes:

I don't get it... how does being liberal or conservative make one nice or mean? Both have more than their share of saints and assholes.
Santa Barbara
29-04-2006, 17:53
Apparently, there are liberal movements within islam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_movements_within_Islam).:eek:

Even talk of reform, updating, re-interpreting koran, etc.

Then again, wiki has its' errors:rolleyes:

Erm, "liberal" equates to "nice?"

As a counter-example, I point you towards 200 years of American history.
Kyronea
29-04-2006, 17:56
I don't get it... how does being liberal or conservative make one nice or mean? Both have more than their share of saints and assholes.
...I dunno.
Kievan-Prussia
29-04-2006, 17:57
Liberal movements don't have as much force as we'd like. You need full blown reformation. Worked for Christianity.
HotRodia
29-04-2006, 18:01
Liberal movements don't have as much force as we'd like. You need full blown reformation. Worked for Christianity.

Uhh...I'm not sure the result of that is what I would describe as having "worked" after looking at today's Christianity.
Tactical Grace
29-04-2006, 18:24
Liberal movements don't have as much force as we'd like. You need full blown reformation. Worked for Christianity.
Haha, and then have half the West try to prevent it because it damages their overseas interests. :p
Afro Hair
29-04-2006, 18:47
May i point out that there are lots of christians and muslims all around the world. So please say stuff by region like middle east or europe because these generlizations lead to stereotypes.
And i am not understanding this thread, is it making fun of how the middle east is changing to a more modern way?
Quagmus
29-04-2006, 18:52
I don't get it... how does being liberal or conservative make one nice or mean? Both have more than their share of saints and assholes.
Nice as opposed to fundamental and/or terroristique?
Fuegorojo
29-04-2006, 18:54
Is the tittle some kind of irony or something like that? Because _if not_ I just can say that xenophobia heals by travelling.
Quagmus
29-04-2006, 18:59
Is the tittle some kind of irony or something like that? Because _if not_ I just can say that xenophobia heals by travelling.
Circular Irony. If you don't get it I just can say that cluelessness is a curse.
Fuegorojo
29-04-2006, 19:11
If I ask it it's because I obviously didn't see it clearly, maybe I'm to used to people who really think what you have wrote as an irony and I don't have why know in which side are you.

And I just can say I don't believe in curses.
Quagmus
29-04-2006, 21:44
If I ask it it's because I obviously didn't see it clearly, maybe I'm to used to people who really think what you have wrote as an irony and I don't have why know in which side are you.

And I just can say I don't believe in curses.

What difference does it make, which side I am on? Or whether I am on a side? Sides are overrated.



As for the curses; that's all right. They believe in you...:p
Fleckenstein
30-04-2006, 00:20
What difference does it make, which side I am on? Or whether I am on a side? Sides are overrated.

you're not an independant then, 'cause that's a side ya know! :p

and yes, sides/blocs are overrated. and overpopulated.
Neu Leonstein
30-04-2006, 01:13
Here are a few interviews with Tariq Ramadan (and his website), one of the top scholars associated with liberal Islam.

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,399965,00.html
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,384900,00.html
http://www.tariqramadan.com/welcome.php3

I for one think that this movement is the future, and especially in Europe it should be promoted to offer Muslims worldwide an alternative to the reactionary and sometimes outright crazy rulings that many leading Muslim scholars seem to dish out.
Super-power
30-04-2006, 01:18
Good at getting under the bed, apparently.
They may be good *under* the bed, but what about in bed? :D
Quagmus
30-04-2006, 02:00
Here are a few interviews with Tariq Ramadan (and his website), one of the top scholars associated with liberal Islam.

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,399965,00.html
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,384900,00.html
http://www.tariqramadan.com/welcome.php3

I for one think that this movement is the future, and especially in Europe it should be promoted to offer Muslims worldwide an alternative to the reactionary and sometimes outright crazy rulings that many leading Muslim scholars seem to dish out.
Good links. It all seems pretty logical.
Quagmus
30-04-2006, 10:37
bonk