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ITS ABOUT TIME!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12513193/

As an American, I feel that this is a great step for the World Trade Center site, and will make a beautiful addition to Lower Manhatten when completed.

Check out the "Launch" button at that website, for come cool pics. Americans, any thoughts?

As an American, I couldn't care less about that future eyesore.

As an American, I couldn't care less about that future eyesore.

Well, Most skyscrapers are indeed eyesours - no creativity or art in it, but it beats the current hole in the ground that is there now.

"Look honey, a 1700 foot tall prick"

None of the designs presented were very attractive. Oh well. One more tribute to post-modernist archetechture that will look ugly as all sin.

This, however is monumentally ugly.
http://img.buzznet.com/assets/users8/tinyelvis/flw/large-msg-1123572016-2.jpg

Its supposed to be a tribute to Frank Lloyd Wright. Viewed from a distance during the day, its a giant blue pointy penis.

At night, when lit up, it looks kinda cool.


Sorry about not being able to really show it, this is the only photo I could find of it.

Most skyscrapers are ugly by day - little creativity is put in them. I just wonder when geometry became art.

None the less though, I am happy New York will not have that huge void in it anymore.

I still wish that they went with the huge above ground nuclear Missile that would show a huge billboard showing a randome foregin target each day.

That or the one that looks like an upraised finger.

Lets hope they put some AA guns on the new building at least.

The idea of the Huge Finger was the funniest thing I had ever seen (raised my hopes a bit after the attack. Im a slow one, and at first I didnt get it, but then when I saw what it was, I immediatly supported it, and still do.

Check out the "Launch" button at that website, for come cool pics.
I am relieved that I couldn't actually launch anything at the new design. That would be just a bit tacky.

Perhaps you could launch that "I.G.N.O.R.E. Missle in the other thread at it!:p

Oh good. A bigger and better target. Awesomeness.

That is a beautiful building, in my opinion. I just... wish it had a better name.

I think it is hidious - if anything should go there it should clearly symbolize American Pride - not just the name.

I think it is hidious - if anything should go there it should clearly symbolize American Pride - not just the name.

It was originally going to be a 90 story tall statue of Jesus bitch-slapping Mohammad. They went with the giant pixelated penis instead.

LMAO - is there a pic of that online somewhere, or did you just make that up?

It's a lot prettier than the hideous WTC towers (I'm sorry about all the people who died, but really, the buildings were uglier than sin), but still a bit too simplistic in my opinion.

Also, it's taller than the Empire State Building (which is not ok with me, I think the Empire State Building should be the tallest, just cause I like it) and its name totally sucks.

LMAO - is there a pic of that online somewhere, or did you just make that up?

heh ... I made it up. Although some part of my mind has this horrific idea that maybe I didn't and have repressed the memory of reading the story.

saw the pics.

Cool building, crappy name.

I think it is hidious - if anything should go there it should clearly symbolize American Pride - not just the name.


:rolleyes: Well what do YOU suggest smartass????:upyours:

"Look honey, a 1700 foot tall prick"

damn,i keep forgetting america is the only country with big buildings...so i guess everyone has phallic issues....jerkoff.

but to be an ugly american...ours are bigger..so there you snob.

lol..i crack myself up....ours are so big we can poke a hole in the atmosphere..you know the one that the russians and chinese are making a vagina for us,polluting the shit out of the ozone with their coal plants...i hope we make a skyscraper to poke into outerspace...so everyone that hates us has something to point too and say..."their is the bad man" fuckin hypocrites.

anything you do there is going to be "tackey", sooooo .....

why not a 'theme' park? you know, with all those high drop rides and super big gut dropping rolly coasters and stuff like that.

i mean, does that town really need another economic masterbation monument.

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anything you do there is going to be "tackey", sooooo .....

why not a 'theme' park? you know, with all those high drop rides and super big gut dropping rolly coasters and stuff like that.

i mean, does that town really need another economic masterbation monument.

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not being a dick but..?

maybe you are replying to someone else...but as an ugly american i know the world revolves around me..if you want to equate america as an amusement park..cool..i suppose i can see that...but we aint the only ones i hope you realize.

The new term on this forum is not 'american': rather it is United Statesman.

Please adopt it. The repercussions will be hillarious; trust me.

It is sorta ugly, and the name is truly horrible (they should've called it "Silverstein-Tower" :D).

Really, you can build good-looking modern buildings. They can in Dubai or Kuala Lumpur, why not in Manhattan?

The new term on this forum is not 'american': rather it is United Statesman.

Please adopt it. The repercussions will be hillarious; trust me.

Quiet, n00b, lol

It is sorta ugly, and the name is truly horrible (they should've called it "Silverstein-Tower" :D).

Really, you can build good-looking modern buildings. They can in Dubai or Kuala Lumpur, why not in Manhattan?

it's a cultural thing, 'christian' fanatics think anything beautiful has to be 'satanic', so they think the're doing 'god' and themselves a favor by making everything look like crap and trying to see how many little green pieces of paper they can get out of doing so. becuase where as beauty is to them satanic, rapacious and murderous greed, is appearantly their stairway to saintly 'heavin'.

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I boak at the name. "Freedom" tower? Does that mean it's actually called "French Tower" but some uppity politician decided to rename it 'cause he's racist and hates Frenchies?

I presonnaly they should've left the holy destruction there as a tribute to the dead, they died in a horific mess of steel girders and concrete, not a giant prick:(

oh, fark. their building that stupid half-fake tower now. cant they just put a park there??

I boak at the name. "Freedom" tower? Does that mean it's actually called "French Tower" but some uppity politician decided to rename it 'cause he's racist and hates Frenchies?
no, its called the freedom tower because it was thought up in the bible belt.

it's a cultural thing, 'christian' fanatics think anything beautiful has to be 'satanic', so they think the're doing 'god' and themselves a favor by making everything look like crap and trying to see how many little green pieces of paper they can get out of doing so. becuase where as beauty is to them satanic, rapacious and murderous greed, is appearantly their stairway to saintly 'heavin'.

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kudos.

For some reason, all I can think of is this ...

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h224/Snoo_Snoo/JUNKIE.jpg

What a horrible building all around.

Kick ass! I killed the thread!

w00t!

For some reason, all I can think of is this ...

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h224/Snoo_Snoo/JUNKIE.jpg

What a horrible building all around.
yes. even just putting a park there will be better then putting a half-fake tower.

Build something that has more use then just a misleading name.

bump...

As an architecture student I'm very disappointed that Daniel Liebeskinds' project was shafted because of money issues, its' beauty was expensive but still very profitable, only not enough. It'll be a very dull, dejá vu skyscraper, this memorial deserved better.

Well, Most skyscrapers are indeed eyesours - no creativity or art in it, but it beats the current hole in the ground that is there now.
I beg to differ. The Chrysler Building and the Empire State Building are good looking, inside and out, up close and from a distance. Those are just the two I remember off the top of my head. Very pretty buildings, imo.

But as for this ugly, useless Freedom Pile -- I suppose they're still planning to put the parking garage where the memorial for the victims was supposed to have been? Scumbags.

But not to worry -- New Yorkers will soon give it another, more descriptive name, and in about 15 years they'll tear it down and put something else up. It's New York, after all. (This assumes the piece of junk lasts 15 years.)

They should have just rebuilt the towers. Ugly yes but an ugly that we got used to. Now we have to get used to a whole other ugly.

Sorry, but really -- who cares? We're erecting another monument to capitalism, a huge target, and the insurance rates will be so prohibitive that nobody will be able to afford the rent.

They should have just rebuilt the towers. Ugly yes but an ugly that we got used to. Now we have to get used to a whole other ugly.

I disagree. The towers were hideous. "Freedom Tower" isn't quite as ugly. Really though, unless they put up something dazzlingly beautiful, they should just make it a park or something, or a quiet memorial.

ITS ABOUT TIME!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12513193/

As an American, I feel that this is a great step for the World Trade Center site, and will make a beautiful addition to Lower Manhatten when completed.

Check out the "Launch" button at that website, for come cool pics. Americans, any thoughts?
I approve, though it would have been nice to see something a bit more traditional, a bit more distinctly American. This building looks a bit bland.

I would bomb it if it were worth the work. Why didn't we just do what Mr. Trump said? IF you destroy an anthill, they make an exact copy. The Freedom Tower is such a...stupid idea. It is:
-much smaller(less office space)
-looks more like an ice sculpture
-and doesn't even reach 1776ft on its own(it needs a spire, which I don't count)

I hope it collapses or something and Larry Silverstein dies. :gundge:

Am I the only one that appreciates the 1,776 Feet of irony?

I would bomb it if it were worth the work. Why didn't we just do what Mr. Trump said? IF you destroy an anthill, they make an exact copy. The Freedom Tower is such a...stupid idea.

I agree. Why don't we build the WTC exactly like it was before? To me it would have been much better then being weak and building something different. What could signal our greatness and give the ultimate fuck you to the terrorists but to build what they knocked down right back up? It would be great to see the Twin Towers back up anyway, they were certainly a presence and this Freedom Tower is nothing compared to the old WTC.

Am I the only one that appreciates the 1,776 Feet of irony?

Not quite - I was myself enjoying the thought of the exqusite irony if it were to be the target of a terrorist attack - especially if it were singled out for being so tall.

Am I the only one that appreciates the 1,776 Feet of irony?

No, I like that. But I would prefer a truly gargantuan structure- a marvel of engineering-something that dwarfs anything else in the world. Something that makes the U.S. home to the tallest building in the world again. Also something that says, "sorry bitches, we're still here! - but you wouldn't be if we wanted to exterminate you" And I would put a children's hospital at the top of it.

And a few discreet SAM sites and minigun turrets, just in case.

Lets hope they put some AA guns on the new building at least.

:p

I guess "self reliance tower" was taken.

I guess "self reliance tower" was taken.
And "empty gesture tower" too. A decorative spire -- :rolleyes:

Alternate names that were rejected:

The Giant Penis Without Need of Viagra Tower
The Massively Long Non-Phallic Tower
The Circumcised Global Trade Tower
The Big Black and Throbbing Tower
The Unrelenting Hardness of America Tower
The Repeated Penetration of Iraq Tower
The Operation: Iraqi Submission Tower
The Stay Until The Job Is Done And You Climax Tower
The Better Them Than Us Tower
The Tower of Power
The SURPRISE! BUTTSECKS Tower

And "empty gesture tower" too. A decorative spire -- :rolleyes:

I was referring to the Juche tower in the DPRK.

"self reliance" is used in their political discourse exactly how 'freedom' is used in ours.

I agree. Why don't we build the WTC exactly like it was before? To me it would have been much better then being weak and building something different. What could signal our greatness and give the ultimate fuck you to the terrorists but to build what they knocked down right back up? It would be great to see the Twin Towers back up anyway, they were certainly a presence and this Freedom Tower is nothing compared to the old WTC.

Because they were ugly eyesores. They hurt my eyes with their hideousness. I'd mount an attack in an effort to destroy them just for being so damn ugly. It would be at night though, not when everyone was working. Because I'm not quite that mean.

I was referring to the Juche tower in the DPRK.

"self reliance" is used in their political discourse exactly how 'freedom' is used in ours.
Well, then, they lack imagination too. Why not the "Crushing the Running Dogs of Capitalism with the Unity and Determination of the Proud, Self-Reliance-Loving Peoples" Tower?

Alternate names that were rejected:

The Giant Penis Without Need of Viagra Tower
The Massively Long Non-Phallic Tower
The Circumcised Global Trade Tower
The Big Black and Throbbing Tower
The Unrelenting Hardness of America Tower
The Repeated Penetration of Iraq Tower
The Operation: Iraqi Submission Tower
The Stay Until The Job Is Done And You Climax Tower
The Better Them Than Us Tower
The Tower of Power
The SURPRISE! BUTTSECKS Tower
I got $5 on the last choice.

I think they should put a fountain on the top of it, don't you? Just a little one.

I got $5 on the last choice.

I think they should put a fountain on the top of it, don't you? Just a little one.

I agree. Also, to make it less susceptible to fire, it should be covered in a latex sheath.
Ribbed, for her pleasure.

No, I like that. But I would prefer a truly gargantuan structure- a marvel of engineering-something that dwarfs anything else in the world. Something that makes the U.S. home to the tallest building in the world again. Also something that says, "sorry bitches, we're still here! - but you wouldn't be if we wanted to exterminate you" And I would put a children's hospital at the top of it.

And a few discreet SAM sites and minigun turrets, just in case.

A childrens hospital at the top!? are you crazy - so, now WHOLE families can die in the next terrorist attack rather than just one or two members of the family. I Do agree though something overtly huge would be kind of cool, something like this

THIS (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.cosmicsoftwareindia.com/Maharishi_Group/Tallest_Building/maharishiup.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.cosmicsoftwareindia.com/Maharishi_Group/Tallest_Building/tallest_building.html&h=610&w=511&sz=155&hl=en&start=8&tbnid=DMuM6VaAzfYYVM:&tbnh=133&tbnw=111&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmaharishi%2Bbuilding%26svnum%3D50%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff)

IN PERSPECTIVE (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://z.about.com/d/architecture/1/0/R/6/tallestgraph.gif&imgrefurl=http://architecture.about.com/library/bltallgraph.htm&h=506&w=426&sz=46&hl=en&start=3&tbnid=f56Xo9sWEA4gJM:&tbnh=128&tbnw=107&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmaharishi%2Btower%26svnum%3D50%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff)

and think, planes cant knock down this building

Because they were ugly eyesores. They hurt my eyes with their hideousness. I'd mount an attack in an effort to destroy them just for being so damn ugly. It would be at night though, not when everyone was working. Because I'm not quite that mean.

Better then the eyesore this "Freedom Tower" is going to be. At least the Twin Towers became the easily recognizable symbol of New York City. I didn't see them being that ugly anyway.

I agree. Also, to make it less susceptible to fire, it should be covered in a latex sheath.
Ribbed, for her pleasure.
That's the ticket! And at least then something will be pleasing about it. :)

ITS ABOUT TIME!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12513193/

As an American, I feel that this is a great step for the World Trade Center site, and will make a beautiful addition to Lower Manhatten when completed.

Check out the "Launch" button at that website, for come cool pics. Americans, any thoughts?
Why just Americans? As an Australian I think it is very impressive. I also think it is extremely typical of America. 'Freedom Tower' pfft. A giant shining vanguard towering over the world in the name of American superiority (at least for self-assured Americans). More like a giant oversized shiny thing made as a face saver for a national embarrasment.:p

Better then the eyesore this "Freedom Tower" is going to be. At least the Twin Towers became the easily recognizable symbol of New York City. I didn't see them being that ugly anyway.


To me, the Twin Towers were a symbol of bad architecture... far worse than Freedom Tower. To me, the Empire State Building has always been more what I think of when I hear "New York City"

To me, the Twin Towers were a symbol of bad architecture

But it was a marvel of engineering. It was far more efficient with space and a hell of a lot cooler than this thing.

I like Trump's plan. Same as the originals but with one extra floor each.

I just hope enough people have are willing to fill it.

... far worse than Freedom Tower.

Blech

To me, the Empire State Building has always been more what I think of when I hear "New York City"

True, but that can be rewritten.

But it was a marvel of engineering. It was far more efficient with space and a hell of a lot cooler than this thing.

I like Trump's plan. Same as the originals but with one extra floor each.

I just hope enough people have are willing to fill it.



Blech



True, but that can be rewritten.


Well of course a couple of generic blocks are going to be space-efficient. As for cooler... they looked pretty square to me. A marvel of engineering doesn't mean much to me if they didn't bother making it look at least decent. They could of at least done something interesting with the roof, making it not so boring and flat.

I thought there were a lot of proposals much better than "Freedom Tower," but the Twin Towers looked like they were designed by a 2 year old with a set of blocks.

And no, the Empire State Building will always symbolize New York to me. Its name sounds much cooler and more grand than either "World Trade Center" or "Freedom Tower," too. If you're going to build something that's going to be the tallest building in a city, it should be fucking beautiful.

A childrens hospital at the top!? are you crazy - so, now WHOLE families can die in the next terrorist attack rather than just one or two members of the family. I Do agree though something overtly huge would be kind of cool, something like this

Yes, a children's hospital at the top.

Al Qaeda is a PR machine. Why do you think that every time they are out of the news and people stop thinking about them a new video is released by OBL? Because they need to keep up their image. And crazy as they may be, they are know that targeting a children's hospital will be such bad PR that even France will say "Damn, that's fucked up. Ok, we'll stop bitching- you American Yanks can invade, bomb, whatever- just kill them all now."

As a former New Yorker, I'm not really sure I like it. I don't think the building fits with the rest of the city. I would have left the site as it was after the rubble cleared away. We don't need a million foot high blue phallus to commemorate the victims of 9/11.

That building is going to look so badass from the skyline! I can't wait until it's complete. I'm literally on Manhattans doorstep.

That building is going to look so badass from the skyline! I can't wait until it's complete. I'm literally on Manhattans doorstep.
youre kidding.

Another thing is that they planned it to be 1776 feet with the spire counted. come on, this will be meaningless to most of the world because noboby measures using feet anymore, and nobody counts the spire when measuring the height of a building anymore. Its just stupid symbolism.

Why is it that amricans only care about having a memorial. They should beild something more useful.

Am I the only one that appreciates the 1,776 Feet of irony?

No; I like the height as well. However, in my esteemed opinion, the twin towers' replacement should be either:

1) Taller than the previous two buildings (or the same height, at 1776 of usuable feet), and/or

2) Build two new towers of the same height or taller, again with 1776 of usuable feet. (one could stand on the top of the old towers with only an antenna above them).
:upyours: :mp5:

No; I like the height as well. However, in my esteemed opinion, the twin towers' replacement should be either:

1) Taller than the previous two buildings (or the same height, at 1776 of usuable feet), and/or

2) Build two new towers of the same height or taller, again with 1776 of usuable feet. (one could stand on the top of the old towers with only an antenna above them).
:upyours: :mp5:
huh??

They should build two towers side by side 3,552 ft high WITH a spire . :eek:

The ultimate "fuck you."

Another thing is that they planned it to be 1776 feet with the spire counted. come on, this will be meaningless to most of the world because noboby measures using feet anymore, and nobody counts the spire when measuring the height of a building anymore. Its just stupid symbolism.

Why is it that amricans only care about having a memorial. They should beild something more useful.
Yeah only americans care about memorials

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