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Is it true that there are guys in college who pretend to be gay so that they could get women? Because if it is, that's just sad. And why do women like gay men better, if they do like them bette?

Erm, how would they 'get' women? :confused:

I detect a flaw with that strategy.

There's plenty of them in my Middle School. And they do get the girls.

Erm, how would they 'get' women? :confused:

I detect a flaw with that strategy.

My "friend" Dave would pretend to be gay in order to perform a litany of pathetic actions, from groping them while just "being fresh", to establishing a false sense of comfort that would encourage some girls to undress in front of him, to simply sleeping in the same bed with girls while making them believe there was no ulterior purpose to his actions. He once convinced one of these girls to sleep with him because he told her he was doubting his "homosexuality". There are some guys out there that will stoop to any level, though, admittedly, these girls were hardly filling out applications for Mensa, and really should have seen through his facade.

Erm, how would they 'get' women? :confused:

I detect a flaw with that strategy.

at my college they always hang out with girls. so maybe once they become friends with them they "flip the switch?"

My "friend" Dave would pretend to be gay in order to perform a litany of pathetic actions...
I pity such n00bs. :rolleyes:

I pity such n00bs. :rolleyes:

He's the only person I know that I would never leave my girlfriend alone in a room with. Not because I don't trust her, but because I wouldn't trust him.

Random. Never heard of that happening before. I don't quite see how that would work though.. Wouldn't girls not be interested sexually in a gay guy? Or are they fine with being deceived and lied to.. I don't understand really.

Random. Never heard of that happening before. I don't quite see how that would work though.. Wouldn't girls not be interested sexually in a gay guy? Or are they fine with being deceived and lied to.. I don't understand really.
It happens. Just come to my school and you can see it happening wide-spread.

Women like gays for the same reason that men like lesbians. They imagine themselves surrounded by people who they know they can never have. Men might act gay so that women will fantasize about them.

It happens. Just come to my school and you can see it happening wide-spread.
Wow, strange.

Hey, you're from Fairfield. I have a teacher called Miss Fairfield lol.

But yea, strange.

Wouldn't girls not be interested sexually in a gay guy?


Wouldn't men not be interested sexually in a lesbian woman?

There's a term for guys like that: Manne Heche (plural: Menne Heche)

Wouldn't girls not be interested sexually in a gay guy?

A hot gay guy would still be just as sexually appealing to a straight woman as a hot straight guy. A gay man still has all the aspects that a woman would find attractive.

Wouldn't men not be interested sexually in a lesbian woman?
Completly different though isn't it?
In my somewhat limited experience, I've never heard of girls looking at/finding pleasure in homosexual pornography.

I thought the tactic these guys use is to go to a woman and say that they were sure they were gay but are now "confused" and hope the woman is willing to help the guy out to see if he is actually straight or not. Really though, it sounds like something that would happen on TV.

I knew a guy in college who was not just gay, but on-fire flaming gay. The hottest girls always hung out with him, because they had nothing to "fear" from him trying to get in their pants, etc. But he was ID-boy: lived by the pleasure principle. As long as he got off, he didn't really care who or what he was sleeping with. So, he would never ask or pressure- but if one of these girls went though a bad breakup, was drunk and horny, or whatever- if they wanted it, he was more than happy to provide them with his penis.

I got into a debate with him as to wether this made him bi or gay, and he INSISTED that he was gay. But he saw no problem having sex with a girl with no attachment.

Just watch the movie "Eating Out."

Completly different though isn't it?

No.

In my somewhat limited experience, I've never heard of girls looking at/finding pleasure in homosexual pornography.


Where did pornography enter into the discussion? I'm talking about actual flesh-and-blood lesbians here.

There's plenty of them in my Middle School. And they do get the girls.

Middle school? Are you sure they are homosexual or pretending to be homosexual?

Random. Never heard of that happening before. I don't quite see how that would work though.. Wouldn't girls not be interested sexually in a gay guy? Or are they fine with being deceived and lied to.. I don't understand really.
Me neither, me neither. But hey, since when have men understood women?

Completly different though isn't it?
In my somewhat limited experience, I've never heard of girls looking at/finding pleasure in homosexual pornography.

Lots of women I know do like gay porn though. I can understand why the guys would pretend to be gay to get girls. Lots of women find gay men to be more attractive than straight men for reasons I don't understand. And doing the "impossible" of getting a gay man is a novelty of sorts, I guess.

Where did pornography enter into the discussion? I'm talking about actual flesh-and-blood lesbians here.
Sexual attractions.. Men usually find their attraction towards lesbians based on pronographic material. Well, lots do anyway.

Girls feel threatened by the staight guy. They always seem to think we're trying to get with them or we wanna rape them when, in reality, we just want to fit in and be friends. The gay guy is seen by girls as unthreatening and as a fellow "girlfriend," so they generally would hang around an unthreatening gay guy rather than a "threatening" straight guy.

That's my two cents.

another thing: wht's with metrosexuals? girls know they're straight, but they still flock around them!

I knew a guy in college who was not just gay, but on-fire flaming gay. The hottest girls always hung out with him, because they had nothing to "fear" from him trying to get in their pants, etc. ....

Any woman who "fears" a man getting into her pants has very little self confidence or self esteem.

another thought:

Gay guys are usually more "fashionable," so to speak, so why wouldn't girls want to hang around this hip-looking queer?

I'm straight and I have no fashion sense, so girls don't hang out with me. i feel sad... :(

In my school there seem to be a very large number of girls who declare themselves bi after one (usually public) make-out session with another girl, then have relationships with a steady stream of guys. I really don't know about the other way around.

Is it true that there are guys in college who pretend to be gay so that they could get women? Because if it is, that's just sad. And why do women like gay men better, if they do like them bette?
To get women? Possibly. To gain acceptance and a sense of belonging? Definitely. High schools and uni's are rife with socially alienated, lonely people who eventually consider that having sex with the same gender is a small price to pay for an identity complete with a group of friends and it's own subculture. What becomes of these poser queers I do not know, perhaps they grow out of it, maybe they eventually become a 'real' homosexual (like pinnochio), or maybe they continue posing forever. All I know is that they are many, they are annoying, and they are one of the main contributors to negative stereotyping of homosexuals.

Becoming a poser queer would bring you closer to many women, but not in the way you want. They would most likely become 'friends', and not think of you in ways that you want them to. Besides, there is no need for such elaborate ploys, if you want to attract a female; be confident, respectful, and direct.:rolleyes:

To get women? Possibly. To gain acceptance and a sense of belonging? Definitely. High schools and uni's are rife with socially alienated, lonely people who eventually consider that having sex with the same gender is a small price to pay for an identity complete with a group of friends and it's own subculture. What becomes of these poser queers I do not know, perhaps they grow out of it, maybe they eventually become a 'real' homosexual (like pinnochio), or maybe they continue posing forever. All I know is that they are many, they are annoying, and they are one of the main contributors to negative stereotyping of homosexuals.

Becoming a poser queer would bring you closer to many women, but not in the way you want. They would most likely become 'friends', and not think of you in ways that you want them to. Besides, there is no need for such elaborate ploys, if you want to attract a female; be confident, respectful, and direct.:rolleyes:
I don't really know of any of these people in my school.

In my school there seem to be a very large number of girls who declare themselves bi after one (usually public) make-out session with another girl, then have relationships with a steady stream of guys. I really don't know about the other way around.
That's because girls are more prone to shameless attention seeking.

another thing: wht's with metrosexuals? girls know they're straight, but they still flock around them!

Because they look better, pure and simple. Girls don't like hanging around sloppy looking guys who smell like they haven't showered for months. And the metrosexuals are often pretty boys too.

Women like gay porn?
Does that mean men should like lesbian porn?
I don't. Does that make me weird?

everytime i see a metro, i want to wring their necks. cuz they talk hella feminine.

Women like gay porn?
Does that mean men should like lesbian porn?
I don't. Does that make me weird?

yes, uberweird...

lesbian porn is a gift from the heavens...

Because they look better, pure and simple. Girls don't like hanging around sloppy looking guys who smell like they haven't showered for months. And the metrosexuals are often pretty boys too.

maybe i should try a new deodorant...

Women like gay porn?
Does that mean men should like lesbian porn?
I don't. Does that make me weird?

Yes, it does. Lesbian porn is the only porn worth watching- because what straight guy wants to see some other guys unit?

I'm a woman and i'm not into gay porn, but then, i'm not into porn in general, i think it's stupid.

As for gay guys, i don't believe you can convert them and i wouldn't want to be in a relationship with a guy who wasn't sexually attracted to me. I also don't feel threatened around heterosexual guys because i think they all want to get into my pants. I have plenty of guy friends and i don't just assume they all want to sleep with me. I think i'd have to have a pretty big ego to assume that.

That being said, there are some gay guys who are very attractive, just like there are some straight guys who are. Just because a guy is gay it doesn't mean i won't find him attractive, because if he's hot, he's hot. I won't however want to be with him.

Yes, it does. Lesbian porn is the only porn worth watching- because what straight guy wants to see some other guys unit?
And yet you have urinals. :rolleyes:

And yet you have urinals. :rolleyes:

we have laws for urinal use...

Any woman who "fears" a man getting into her pants has very little self confidence or self esteem.

I think it is the opposite. They know every guy wants to nail them, so she wants to hang out with a guy who won't try to sleep with her if they have a few beers.

Men might act gay so that women will fantasize about them.

It's less about fantasy (which is itself a bit of a fantasy, if I might say!), than it is about being able to simply relax and be oneself without worrying about any sexual overtones, agendas, or subtexts. It's nearly impossible to be like that around a guy who might be interested in you (regardless of whether you're interested in him or not).

we have laws for urinal use...

VERY strict laws. Seriously.

another thing: wht's with metrosexuals? girls know they're straight, but they still flock around them!
Metrosexuals are kewl as hell. They gab, they dance, they know how to shop, and they don't act like "*real*" men(a/k/a utter dorks whom I wouldn't date if they were the last guys on earth).

they are how boys should be, hense why so many girls hang out with them.

VERY strict laws. Seriously.

lol, check out the wiki article... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urinal_etiquette

lol, check out the wiki article... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urinal_etiquette

Wow...Wikipedia is my new god...

I think it is the opposite. They know every guy wants to nail them, so she wants to hang out with a guy who won't try to sleep with her if they have a few beers.

As I said, she has little confidence in her ability to resist his advances, or her ability to not drink herself into oblivion. :(

Wow...Wikipedia is my new god...

People have to be told this? I though it was universally known! :D

As I said, she has little confidence in her ability to resist his advances, or her ability to not drink herself into oblivion. :(

Or she just wants to have a good time without worry about having to keep some drunk jackass from pawing at her.

As I said, she has little confidence in her ability to resist his advances, or her ability to not drink herself into oblivion. :(

Honestly, if some oversized guy wanted to rape a girl, I don't see how she can resist. I know it's not a very likely possibility, but there's always that doubt at the back of a girl's mind, whereas with gay guys, we see them more as girls than guys.

lol, check out the wiki article... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urinal_etiquette

Another example why wiki is not an acceptable source for academic work.

lol, check out the wiki article... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urinal_etiquette

They left out a few things. Like the mandatory angling away from another person, no matter how far away they are if the other side is unoccupied. Or, if both sides are occupied (but still maintaining the mandatory vacant urinal in between), the angle must be away from the closer person, in proportion to the difference in distance between yourself and said persons.

Another example why wiki is not an acceptable source for academic work.

hey! Just because it's...well-rounded in subject matters doesn't mean it can't be trusted!

just a thought:

metros need to grow some balls.

in the words of a dear friend, "There is no such thing as metrosexual, only homosexuals that haven't come out of the closet, yet."

key word there is YET, girls, don't be fooled.

another quote from a friend after being accused of being a homophobe, "Homophobic? Phobic? Hell no! ime not afraid a fucking gay guy, i'm afraid of fucking n***as with guns!" just thought that was funny. the literal translation of homophobic.

just a thought:

metros need to grow some balls.

in the words of a dear friend, "There is no such thing as metrosexual, only homosexuals that haven't come out of the closet, yet."

key word there is YET, girls, don't be fooled.

That's funny, most of the 'metrosexual' straight guys I know get far more sex than the non-metrosexual straight guys I know

another quote from a friend after being accused of being a homophobe, just thought that was funny. the literal translation of homophobic.
How "witty".

They left out a few things. Like the mandatory angling away from another person, no matter how far away they are if the other side is unoccupied. Or, if both sides are occupied (but still maintaining the mandatory vacant urinal in between), the angle must be away from the closer person, in proportion to the difference in distance between yourself and said persons.

I always choose the ones next to the corners and just angle towards the wall. If one next to a corner isn't available, I wait until it becomes available.

I always choose the ones next to the corners and just angle towards the wall. If one next to a corner isn't available, I wait until it becomes available.

Yeah, but try getting prime real estate like that after a movie lets out or during half-time and you'll stand there til your bladder ruptures. But, yeah, those are the two primo stalls.

Because they look better, pure and simple. Girls don't like hanging around sloppy looking guys who smell like they haven't showered for months. And the metrosexuals are often pretty boys too.

I beg to differ. :)

do gay people pretend to be straight to get a partner?

I beg to differ. :)

which part? The look better part or smell better part? (this is just a generalization, or course)

just a thought:

metros need to grow some balls.

in the words of a dear friend, "There is no such thing as metrosexual, only homosexuals that haven't come out of the closet, yet."

key word there is YET, girls, don't be fooled.

another quote from a friend after being accused of being a homophobe, just thought that was funny. the literal translation of homophobic.


In the words of my dearest friend: "Nakanaori's just so stupid that I have no words for him".

And that Sir, is not the way to spell the N-word, however many asterisks you may have placed in. Spelling things phonetically is intelligent for a toddler. If you are going to use a stereotype as degrading as that one, then at least do it right, so that you may be lynched appropriately.

which part? The look better part or smell better part? (this is just a generalization, or course)

I'm straight, and yesterday morning, I took TWO showers!

How clean is THAT?!

which part? The look better part or smell better part? (this is just a generalization, or course)

I think girls are attracted to guys that are comfortable in their own skin, regardless of the particular look or odor of that skin.

I'm an uncouth, unkempt barbarian and I never really had much trouble with girls.

I think girls are attracted to guys that are comfortable in their own skin, regardless of the particular look or odor of that skin.

I'm an uncouth, unkempt barbarian and I never really had much trouble with girls.

That is true. The pretty boy part is just a bonus. :p But then again, you're LG. I wouldn't be surprised if everybody around you are attracted to you. :D

That is true. The pretty boy part is just a bonus. :p But then again, you're LG. I wouldn't be surprised if everybody around you are attracted to you. :D
I am pretty boy. And it's the mud they are attracted to I bet :eek:

I think girls are attracted to guys that are comfortable in their own skin, regardless of the particular look or odor of that skin.

I'm an uncouth, unkempt barbarian and I never really had much trouble with girls.

That's because all of the girls around you are dumb. They're all going to marry drunk failures and and screw up their lives. Just watch.

That is true. The pretty boy part is just a bonus. :p But then again, you're LG. I wouldn't be surprised if everybody around you are attracted to you. :D

Pretty boys are...well, can be...intimidating. You always have to look as good as them. No, better. And that's annoying, because I like to sit around in my trackpants as much as the next girl sometimes...:(

But they make great shopping friends! :D

That is true. The pretty boy part is just a bonus. :p But then again, you're LG. I wouldn't be surprised if everybody around you are attracted to you. :D

Well, certainly not everybody, but in my pride, I'd like to believe that there were people more attracted to me than they cared to admit.

I am pretty boy. And it's the mud they are attracted to I bet :eek:

I think it's the amount of Vodka you fed them the night before...:D

That's because all of the girls around you are dumb. They're all going to marry drunk failures and and screw up their lives. Just watch.

Since when are women's intelligence defined by who they marry? Why can't a very intelligent woman marry a drunk if she really loves him? Besides, who you are friends with does not define who you are either. There is no rule saying you must hang out with "smart, well dressed and mannered people" to be smart. Your logic is non-existent, just like your common sense is non-existent as well.

That's because all of the girls around you are dumb. They're all going to marry drunk failures and and screw up their lives. Just watch.

That's right. The grapes must be sour. ;)

That's because all of the girls around you are dumb. They're all going to marry drunk failures and and screw up their lives. Just watch.
*points and laughs at the n00b*

I am pretty boy. And it's the mud they are attracted to I bet :eek:

Mud is very sexy. :)

Mud is very sexy. :)

Wrestling in mud is fun...

I think it's the amount of Vodka you fed them the night before...:D
Psh.. It's the money I put in thier thongs.. hehe

Wrestling in mud is fun...
And you would know from experience?

And you would know from experience?

Yes, in fact Lady. Yes :D

Yes, in fact Lady. Yes :D
:eek:

Do share!

Since when are women's intelligence defined by who they marry? Why can't a very intelligent woman marry a drunk if she really loves him? Besides, who you are friends with does not define who you are either. There is no rule saying you must hang out with "smart, well dressed and mannered people" to be smart. Your logic is non-existent, just like your common sense is non-existent as well.

Since ever; an intelligent woman who marries drunk is somewhat of an oxymoron; Ofcourse it does, don't you know anything? No, there isn't, but there's no rule that says you can't poke your own eyes out either, what's your point? Both are existent, and to a fuller extent than yours, at that.

That's funny, most of the 'metrosexual' straight guys I know get far more sex than the non-metrosexual straight guys I know


How "witty".


Well, that's because they're shallow.

Mud is very sexy. :)
http://207.236.226.60/thesavagefiles/webpage/newimages/vegas12mud.JPG

http://207.236.226.60/thesavagefiles/webpage/newimages/vegas12mud.JPG

Ruffy, that isn't sexy...

Since ever; an intelligent woman who marries drunk is somewhat of an oxymoron; Ofcourse it does, don't you know anything? No, there isn't, but there's no rule that says you can't poke your own eyes out either, what's your point? Both are existent, and to a fuller extent than yours, at that.

My wife is a police officer and I'm a chaotic force of nature. Sometimes opposites attract. :p

If you are considering going down that road, go the whole hog and tell them you're also a born-again Christian, saving yourself for marriage.

That gives the chick the ultimate challenge.

At the end of the night, tell them you now feeling a bit confused and unsure about yourself and sure would love some intimate comfort.




Then mention that you're not quite ready to fully accept the change in your sexual orientation and consumate in a normal hetrosexual way, but you are quite prepared to do it, you know, round the other way.

Wouldn't men not be interested sexually in a lesbian woman?

Not really.

All that happens is most men assume that lesbians can't do any better (in general). And therefore impute a sense of desperation a priori.

Further, some men like lesbian porn, because they can see a woman getting fucked without seeing dick (thus hiding any latent homo feelings).

But the proof is the pudding. Frequently when a man's sexual advances are rejected by a woman, she must therefore be 'a lesbian'. In which case lesbians must therefore be wholly undesirable.

It's a complex monicker.

Metrosexuals

Homosexuals

Same shit... Different smell

seriously. male metrosexuals are basically female lesbians

seriously. male metrosexuals are basically female lesbians

Disregarding the uncouth comparison, isn't "female lesbian" redundant?

Since ever; an intelligent woman who marries drunk is somewhat of an oxymoron; Ofcourse it does, don't you know anything? No, there isn't, but there's no rule that says you can't poke your own eyes out either, what's your point? Both are existent, and to a fuller extent than yours, at that.

No, an intelligent woman is one who marries whoever she loves best, and would make her the happiest, not the one who has the most money or power. If the drunk is someone who makes her happy, then by all means, she should marry him. And if you think one's surrounding defines who a person is, then you need to reconsider your priorities. You'd rather let your society define who you are, then let yourself define who you are? If that's true, then I can say with confidence you have no individuality whatsoever. I don't thrive on society's "logic" and society's "common sense", which seems to be the one you're following, even if there is injustice in it, you would still follow and worship it like god.

No, an intelligent woman is one who marries whoever she loves best, and would make her the happiest, not the one who has the most money or power. If the drunk is someone who makes her happy, then by all means, she should marry him. And if you think one's surrounding defines who a person is, then you need to reconsider your priorities. You'd rather let your society define who you are, then let yourself define who you are? If that's true, then I can say with confidence you have no individuality whatsoever. I don't thrive on society's "logic" and society's "common sense", which seems to be the one you're following, even if there is injustice in it, you would still follow and worship it like god.

Two words: ruddy conformists.

Ruffy, that isn't sexy...
:rolleyes:

Two words: ruddy conformists.
:fluffle:

:rolleyes:
Well, it's not. Find us a pic of 2 men mud wrestling, THEN we might have something to talk about. ;)

No, an intelligent woman is one who marries whoever she loves best, and would make her the happiest, not the one who has the most money or power. If the drunk is someone who makes her happy, then by all means, she should marry him. And if you think one's surrounding defines who a person is, then you need to reconsider your priorities. You'd rather let your society define who you are, then let yourself define who you are? If that's true, then I can say with confidence you have no individuality whatsoever. I don't thrive on society's "logic" and society's "common sense", which seems to be the one you're following, even if there is injustice in it, you would still follow and worship it like god.
Yay I actually like you now!

Yay I actually like you now!
You mean you didn't before? I'm hurt. :(

Yay I actually like you now!

Aww. Poor Lady.

And yet you have urinals. :rolleyes:
We don't really WANT urinals, they're just... there. It's kind of a fact of life, something that we have, have gotten mostly used to, and don't want to bother with doing away with. Like Daylight Savings.

Well, it's not. Find us a pic of 2 men mud wrestling, THEN we might have something to talk about. ;)

What?

We don't really WANT urinals, they're just... there. It's kind of a fact of life, something that we have, have gotten mostly used to, and don't want to bother with doing away with. Like Daylight Savings.

My boyfriend was complaining that guys at the movies and such other places have no etiquette when it comes to urinals...

We don't really WANT urinals, they're just... there. It's kind of a fact of life, something that we have, have gotten mostly used to, and don't want to bother with doing away with. Like Daylight Savings.
Speak for yourself. Urinals are a Godsend.

We don't really WANT urinals, they're just... there. It's kind of a fact of life, something that we have, have gotten mostly used to, and don't want to bother with doing away with. Like Daylight Savings.
i dont see the problem with urinals, you just piss and it works better that a toilet most of the time.

No, an intelligent woman is one who marries whoever she loves best, and would make her the happiest, not the one who has the most money or power. If the drunk is someone who makes her happy, then by all means, she should marry him. And if you think one's surrounding defines who a person is, then you need to reconsider your priorities. You'd rather let your society define who you are, then let yourself define who you are? If that's true, then I can say with confidence you have no individuality whatsoever. I don't thrive on society's "logic" and society's "common sense", which seems to be the one you're following, even if there is injustice in it, you would still follow and worship it like god.

How in the world is a drunk going to make you happy? Yeah, I'm an architect, but I choose to hang out with pimpy gangster drug dealers because that makes me an "individualistic person", and that makes me feel COOL.

I'm a Bohemian who needs to defy society's logic, because I want to catch AIDS, live in poverty, do drugs, and play my guitar all day. Man, society is so injust, I'm going to set garbage cans on fire and live on the EDGE, dude.

Peace out, gangsta.

Well, it's not. Find us a pic of 2 men mud wrestling, THEN we might have something to talk about. ;)
*cough* (http://web.mit.edu/bulgarian/gallery/life97-98/mudwrestling-zoom.jpg)

You mean you didn't before? I'm hurt. :(
Awww, don't be hurt :(

:fluffle:

How in the world is a drunk going to make you happy?
How in the world is a rich person going to make you happy if material possessions mean nothing to you? Each have their own preference, and whether YOU want to accept it or now does not affect anything.
Yeah, I'm an architect, but I choose to hang out with pimpy gangster drug dealers because that makes me an "individualistic person", and that makes me feel COOL.
No, you hang out with the people you want to hang out with, who you have fun with, regardless of what society tells you is acceptable or not acceptable. I don't care that the rules of highschool tells me straight A students cannot hang out with stoners. As long as I like these people, I can hang out with them. I am not going to be restricted by "rules" that tell me a certain type of people can only like a certain other type of people.
I'm a Bohemian who needs to defy society's logic, because I want to catch AIDS, live in poverty, do drugs, and play my guitar all day. Man, society is so injust, I'm going to set garbage cans on fire and live on the EDGE, dude.

Peace out, gangsta.
Again, you misunderstood my meanings. I did not mean defy every one of society's rules just for the sake of defying them. I meant doing what YOU think is right regardless of what others tell you to do. If your principles happen to coincide with that of your surrounding, wonderful. But if it doesn't, you still are not afraid to stand up for what you believe in. This requires that you have your own set of morals that's independent from the changes in fads around you.

And your stereotypical portrayal of bohemians does nothing but show your ignorance. Nobody wants to catch AIDS, and most of the time it's accidents. Some people just don't care about material wealth, and want to live the simple life. Drugs are an escape for most people whose problems you can't really blame them for. And maybe some people's passions are their music. What's wrong with playing guitar all day if it's not going to harm others?

Call it chaotic good.

Girls feel threatened by the staight guy. They always seem to think we're trying to get with them or we wanna rape them when, in reality, we just want to fit in and be friends. The gay guy is seen by girls as unthreatening and as a fellow "girlfriend," so they generally would hang around an unthreatening gay guy rather than a "threatening" straight guy.

That's my two cents.

another thing: wht's with metrosexuals? girls know they're straight, but they still flock around them!

Because it's nice to find guys who know how to dress and aren't absolutely disgusting? Also, I think the same "non-threatening" factor applies, in that metros are usually way nicer guys in general. Actually, I think the whole idea of metrosexuals is utter bullshit. A guy shouldn't be shoved into a whole different class just because he cares what he looks like. I think the whole baggy pants look is fucking retarded and totally unnappealing.

Then again, I don't even go for guys :D

Since when are women's intelligence defined by who they marry? Why can't a very intelligent woman marry a drunk if she really loves him? Besides, who you are friends with does not define who you are either. There is no rule saying you must hang out with "smart, well dressed and mannered people" to be smart. Your logic is non-existent, just like your common sense is non-existent as well.

Yes, but a lot of smart people hang out with generally intelligent people because they appreciate people who can appreciate their brain. Stupid people annoy me to no end. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to hang out with me, but I prefer people on the wittier end of the scale. I have a huge range of friends, some of them less intelligent than others, but I like to have people around who aren't drooling idiots.

Stupid, or perhaps more accurately, immature people often hang out with each other because they find the same dumb things amusing, and they aren't threatened by each other's lack of thinking ability.

How in the world is a rich person going to make you happy if material possessions mean nothing to you?

I am not going to be restricted by "rules" that tell me a certain type of people can only like a certain other type of people.

I meant doing what YOU think is right regardless of what others tell you to do.

Nobody wants to catch AIDS, and most of the time it's accidents. Drugs are an escape for most people whose problems you can't really blame them for.

And maybe some people's passions are their music. What's wrong with playing guitar all day if it's not going to harm others?

I never said rich. You're putting words in my mouth.

You need to grow up and realize that there ARE rules in society. It's fine to be idealistically ignorant of things you can't change, but unfortunately, you're going to have to accept the fact that if you choose to associate with a certain type of people, you're either going to become one of them or completely mess up the life you've led up to that point. If you want to learn that the hard way, that's your business.

Again, defiant yet callow words.

Please enjoy AIDS and drugs on your own time. Have fun.

It's wrong because you'll starve. But I suppose you're fine with that.

I never said rich. You're putting words in my mouth.

You need to grow up and realize that there ARE rules in society. It's fine to be idealistically ignorant of things you can't change, but unfortunately, you're going to have to accept the fact that if you choose to associate with a certain type of people, you're either going to become one of them or completely mess up the life you've led up to that point. If you want to learn that the hard way, that's your business.

Again, defiant yet callow words.

Please enjoy AIDS and drugs on your own time. Have fun.

It's wrong because you'll starve. But I suppose you're fine with that.

Quit it with the personal attacks before I report you and have you blocked from NS.

This is my first, and final threat.

Completly different though isn't it?
In my somewhat limited experience, I've never heard of girls looking at/finding pleasure in homosexual pornography.

Then your experience is limited indeed.

Quit it with the personal attacks before I report you and have you blocked from NS.

This is my first, and final threat.

Can I have another one?

Then your experience is limited indeed.
So you know of girls who find pleasure in gay pornography?

Because it's nice to find guys who know how to dress and aren't absolutely disgusting? Also, I think the same "non-threatening" factor applies, in that metros are usually way nicer guys in general. Actually, I think the whole idea of metrosexuals is utter bullshit. A guy shouldn't be shoved into a whole different class just because he cares what he looks like. I think the whole baggy pants look is fucking retarded and totally unnappealing.

Then again, I don't even go for guys :D
Baggy pants are hot XD

So you know of girls who find pleasure in gay pornography?

Actually, I do.

I never said rich. You're putting words in my mouth.
No, I'm merely presenting the other side to your argument to show you how ridiculous it was.
You need to grow up and realize that there ARE rules in society. It's fine to be idealistically ignorant of things you can't change, but unfortunately, you're going to have to accept the fact that if you choose to associate with a certain type of people, you're either going to become one of them or completely mess up the life you've led up to that point. If you want to learn that the hard way, that's your business.
Yes, there are rules, but that does not mean they are all right. The rules are established in an attempt to reward the right and punish the wrong, but when the rules themselves are flawed, then they need to be changed. If everybody thought they were so powerless to change anything, then we'd never get anything done. Also, your association does not neccessarily change who you are. Some people might feel peer pressured, but some people don't. If you are secure and happy about who you are, you would not let others change you. For you, someone who has obviously never associated with what you perceive as the "unacceptable" crowd, that is a very definite statement you are making.

Again, defiant yet callow words.

Please enjoy AIDS and drugs on your own time. Have fun.

It's wrong because you'll starve. But I suppose you're fine with that.
Why do you assume it was me I'm talking about? Why can't I make a case for other people? I know people who are in their 30's, still smoking pot, and have successful careers. Why do you so immediately associate bohemian with AIDS, even though the most severe of the epidemic is in Africa?
Bohemian: A person with artistic or literary interests who disregards conventional standards of behavior.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=bohemian
The definition bohemian has nothing to do with AIDS, just like it has nothing to do with drugs. It is one who likes art and literature and don't follow the restrictions of society. Just because a person is hedonistic doesn't mean he/she will end up on the streets for the rest of their lives. You need to get out more and experience these things for yourself to know what I'm talking about. You are sheltered in your own bubble and applying that sheltered rules to the world. Seriously, you need to realize that unconventional is not bad, and that acceptance by society is not everything. The most important thing is your own acceptance of yourself.

Baggy pants are hot XD

Haha I think they're so gross. Actually, one of my biggest pet peeves about it is when their boxers clash with their shirts. I'm so randomly annoyed by fashion stuff like that.

Haha I think they're so gross. Actually, one of my biggest pet peeves about it is when their boxers clash with their shirts. I'm so randomly annoyed by fashion stuff like that.
Well, it depends on the fashion. You shouldn't be able to see the boxers. The shirt should be long enough to cover the lowerest brim of the pants. And by baggy, I mean the wide-legged style. The 'skater' style in America, if you will. God, skaters (generalized) are so hot...

Well, it depends on the fashion. You shouldn't be able to see the boxers. The shirt should be long enough to cover the lowerest brim of the pants. And by baggy, I mean the wide-legged style. The 'skater' style in America, if you will. God, skaters (generalized) are so hot...

I think that whole "skater/punk" fashion style is just...blah. Unattractive. I'd rather be able to look at a cute butt defined by a good pair of pants or jeans than have them hanging down around the aforementioned buttocks.

Metrosexuals

Homosexuals

Same shit... Different smell

seriously. male metrosexuals are basically female lesbians

ha! i like that.

I think that whole "skater/punk" fashion style is just...blah. Unattractive. I'd rather be able to look at a cute butt defined by a good pair of pants or jeans than have them hanging down around the aforementioned buttocks.
Eh, I suppose it goes with the tastes. I hate skin, myself. I have my own... preferences XD.

I think that whole "skater/punk" fashion style is just...blah. Unattractive. I'd rather be able to look at a cute butt defined by a good pair of pants or jeans than have them hanging down around the aforementioned buttocks.

Well...I just find the baggy jeans fashion kind of sloppy. I mean, they're okay in general, but when you wear them half way down your ass so we can all see your boxers (past experience), then it gets too much. Also, there are skaters who wear extremely tight pants. I have nothing against it either, but sometimes we see more than we want to...

I think that whole "skater/punk" fashion style is just...blah. Unattractive. I'd rather be able to look at a cute butt defined by a good pair of pants or jeans than have them hanging down around the aforementioned buttocks.

Very, very true. There is a nice balance between skintight, "omg where are your testicles, and doesn't your sister have those in pink?" jeans, and ridiculously huge. I am a total sucker for a good butt in denim.

Well...I just find the baggy jeans fashion kind of sloppy. I mean, they're okay in general, but when you wear them half way down your ass so we can all see your boxers (past experience), then it gets too much. Also, there are skaters who wear extremely tight pants. I have nothing against it either, but sometimes we see more than we want to...

what about sagging basketball shorts? cause, thats me...

Very, very true. There is a nice balance between skintight, "omg where are your testicles, and doesn't your sister have those in pink?" jeans, and ridiculously huge. I am a total sucker for a good butt in denim.

:D

A most excellent reply. And I agree with the Lady. When you have guys attempting to give themselves vasectomies with their pants...there is something utterly wrong about that.

what about sagging basketball shorts? cause, thats me...

Why do you care? Unless you think I can still back out of this marriage... :p

And that Sir, is not the way to spell the N-word, however many asterisks you may have placed in. Spelling things phonetically is intelligent for a toddler. If you are going to use a stereotype as degrading as that one, then at least do it right, so that you may be lynched appropriately.

And yet you seem to miss the point. I was QUOTING someone in his own words. meaning: he doesn't say "******" he says "nigga" because that's the way he talks. just trying to convey his words as concisely as possible. and as for you, don't threaten others for personal attacks when you yourself have attacked me.

Tight trousers? Just snort bromine, it gets the job done quicker and less painfully.

Well here's the thing. There's a difference between baggy (hot) and sagging (not hot). It's REALLY hard to skate when you're sagging. They're two different styles in my opinion.

Why do you care? Unless you think I can still back out of this marriage... :p

:p nope, you will forever be mine...

pants shouldn't be confined by fashion. personally, i like comfortable pants that i can move in.

if pants were too tight, there's no flexibility.
if pants are too baggy, there's too much in the way to move.

:p nope, you will forever be mine...

:eek:

*suspicious looks*

*flees*

And yet you seem to miss the point. I was QUOTING someone in his own words. meaning: he doesn't say "******" he says "nigga" because that's the way he talks. just trying to convey his words as concisely as possible. and as for you, don't threaten others for personal attacks when you yourself have attacked me.

I did not attack you personally. I pointed out your grammatical errors. I did not tell someone that they are going to contract HIV through drug use, develop AIDS, and die on the street as a suffering waste of human life.

:eek:

*suspicious looks*

*flees*

awww... come back!

I did not attack you personally. I pointed out your grammatical errors. I did not tell someone that they are going to contract HIV through drug use, develop AIDS, and die on the street as a suffering waste of human life.

anyways, it's a spelling error at most, not grammatical. And i'm not sure you kno what i'm referring to, but whatever, i'll let it pass. poor joke to post on my part.

No, I'm merely presenting the other side to your argument to show you how ridiculous it was.

Yes, there are rules, but that does not mean they are all right. The rules are established in an attempt to reward the right and punish the wrong, but when the rules themselves are flawed, then they need to be changed. If everybody thought they were so powerless to change anything, then we'd never get anything done.

Also, your association does not neccessarily change who you are. Some people might feel peer pressured, but some people don't. If you are secure and happy about who you are, you would not let others change you.

For you, someone who has obviously never associated with what you perceive as the "unacceptable" crowd, that is a very definite statement you are making.

Why do you assume it was me I'm talking about? Why can't I make a case for other people? I know people who are in their 30's, still smoking pot, and have successful careers.

Why do you so immediately associate bohemian with AIDS, even though the most severe of the epidemic is in Africa?

You need to get out more and experience these things for yourself to know what I'm talking about. You are sheltered in your own bubble and applying that sheltered rules to the world. Seriously, you need to realize that unconventional is not bad, and that acceptance by society is not everything. The most important thing is your own acceptance of yourself.

The opposite of drunk is not rich. I don't know where you got that from.

You're talking about another kind of rules. The rules of the human psyche cannot be changed through anything but evolution, unfortunately.

Intelligent people cannot tolerate ignorant people. Tough assholes cannot tolerate nerds. It's a fact in life. And yes, people do change, though they don't realize it. Have you read the Stone Angel by Margaret Lawrence? Do you have home videos of yourself from five years ago?

I hanged out with the "unacceptable" crowd for a very long time - I used to be in junior high. It didn't do me any good. I can tell you that.

You're using your definition of "successful career". Our definitions must be different.

Because I saw Rent. Blame Jonathan Larson.

You're the one who's too sheltered from the reality of life to realize what life is all about. Your "highschool-english-essay" idealism is insightful yet ignorant, sophisticated yet so shallow. Yes, such paradoxes exist.

A common thief can be the most "unconventional" and "socially unaccepted" individual in the entire world. He can also "accept" himself. But that doesn't make him any less of a loser.

The opposite of drunk is not rich. I don't know where you got that from.

You're talking about another kind of rules. The rules of the human psyche cannot be changed through anything but evolution, unfortunately.

Intelligent people cannot tolerate ignorant people. Tough assholes cannot tolerate nerds. It's a fact in life. And yes, people do change, though they don't realize it. Have you read the Stone Angel by Margaret Lawrence? Do you have home videos of yourself from five years ago?

I hanged out with the "unacceptable" crowd for a very long time - I used to be in junior high. It didn't do me any good. I can tell you that.

You're using your definition of "successful career". Our definitions must be different.

Because I saw Rent. Blame Jonathan Larson.

You're the one who's too sheltered from the reality of life to realize what life is all about. Your "highschool-english-essay" idealism is insightful yet ignorant, sophisticated yet so shallow. Yes, such paradoxes exist.

A common thief can be the most "unconventional" and "socially unaccepted" individual in the entire world. He can also "accept" himself. But that doesn't make him any less of a loser.

To clarify, The Stone Angel was a novel about overcoming the stigma of pride and appearances. Hagar Shipley did realize her change of heart. She came to peace, and with Mr. Troy's singing, was finally able to come to terms with herself and rejoice.

So then, what is the meaning of life (apart from 42)? How can this plane of existence be understood so thoroughly? Everyone must remember that reality is shaped and morphed by the choices we make in life. That is your own reality. If it is different from another's, technically, that is fine. Society has made many conform to certain standards, such as wearing clothing in general public. This is even enforced by law. But of your reality means tossing your inhibitions out of the window and doing something with your life that most frown upon, is it ignorant to say that that person must be an outsider, a wreck of human life? Or is it only politically correct?

So this must be defined, this meaning of life, before any attempt at understanding just how ignorant others are may be judged.

The opposite of drunk is not rich. I don't know where you got that from.
I did not say they were complete opposites. Maybe my word-usage was improper; I suppose contrasting would be a better word to be put there.
You're talking about another kind of rules. The rules of the human psyche cannot be changed through anything but evolution, unfortunately.
And what? The rules of the human psych is to conform? I refuse to believe that, and even if it's true, people with will can overcome whatever their psych is telling them to do.
Intelligent people cannot tolerate ignorant people. Tough assholes cannot tolerate nerds. It's a fact in life. And yes, people do change, though they don't realize it. Have you read the Stone Angel by Margaret Lawrence? Do you have home videos of yourself from five years ago?
I know people change, but it's not neccessarily according to their environment. And even if they DO change according to it, it's about what they adapt from it. Some people adapt the negative parts, while others adapt the positive. And your fact in life is not true. These groups are presented as antagonizing, but if they are even slightly removed from the restrictions of society and their supposed "rules", then they can tolerate each other. In fact, everyone can tolerate everybody else, we just put ourselves in these boxes believing we can't.
Also, I HAVE read the book, and I believe her name is spelled Margaret Laurence. I fail to see what the book has to do with our discussion, since Hagar did not change in the book until the very end.
I hanged out with the "unacceptable" crowd for a very long time - I used to be in junior high. It didn't do me any good. I can tell you that.
You might not think it did, but I dare you to truthfully say you did not learn one thing from it.
You're using your definition of "successful career". Our definitions must be different.
My friend's uncle is in his 50's. He established 3 radio stations in 2 different cities, is a successful businessman, and does a lot of charity work. Does that fit into your definition of "successful career" then? And yes, he still smokes pot. Another friend's father is the manager of Moores, he is in his 40's, and he still smokes pot.
Because I saw Rent. Blame Jonathan Larson.

You're the one who's too sheltered from the reality of life to realize what life is all about. Your "highschool-english-essay" idealism is insightful yet ignorant, sophisticated yet so shallow. Yes, such paradoxes exist.
Then I suppose you're the master who knows what life is all about? This naive ignorance is neccessary for change, and I hope you realize that.
A common thief can be the most "unconventional" and "socially unaccepted" individual in the entire world. He can also "accept" himself. But that doesn't make him any less of a loser.
If you think of him as a loser, then you are the loser. Nobody commits crimes out of their own free will. If he had another choice, I'm sure he would've picked it. Whether it's the dire situation or his own mental disorders, he does not do it for the pleasure.

awww... come back!

*walks back slowly*

You sure I won't be stuck with you for the rest of my life?

I did not say they were complete opposites. Maybe my word-usage was improper; I suppose contrasing would be a better word to be put there.

And what? The rules of the human psych is to conform? I refuse to believe that, and even if it's true, people with will can overcome whatever their psych is telling them to do.

I know people change, but it's not neccessarily according to their environment. And even if they DO change according to it, it's about what they adapt from it. Some people adapt the negative parts, while others adapt the positive. And your fact in life is not true. These groups are presented as antagonizing, but if they are even slightly removed from the restrictions of society and their supposed "rules", then they can tolerate each other. In fact, everyone can tolerate everybody else, we just put ourselves in these boxes believing we can't.
Also, I HAVE read the book, and I believe her name is spelled Margaret Laurence. I fail to see what the book has to do with our discussion, since Hagar did not change in the book until the very end.

You might not think it did, but I dare you to truthfully say you did not learn one thing from it.

My friend's uncle is in his 50's. He established 3 radio stations in 2 different cities, is a successful businessman, and does a lot of charity work. Does that fit into your definition of "successful career" then? And yes, he still smokes pot. Another friend's father is the manager of Moores, he is in his 40's, and he still smokes pot.

Then I suppose you're the master who knows what life is all about? This naive ignorance is neccessary for change, and I hope you realize that.

If you think of him as a loser, then you are the loser. Nobody commits crimes out of their own free will. If he had another choice, I'm sure he would've picked it. Whether it's the dire situation or his own mental disorders, he does not do it for the pleasure.
I agree with everything you say except for this one point. The reason is obvious. People sometimes do bad things because they want to.

I agree with everything you say except for this one point. The reason is obvious. People sometimes do bad things because they want to.

Sorry Lady, but true. *shrugs*

Whatever floats your boat...

I agree with everything you say except for this one point. The reason is obvious. People sometimes do bad things because they want to.

Unless you're a determinist. "Wanting to" implies kleptomaniacal inclinations, which would mean an impaired judgement that...

I agree with everything you say except for this one point. The reason is obvious. People sometimes do bad things because they want to.

I really don't think so. People in their right mind don't do things that feel naturally wrong to them for no reason. It's usually because they're kleptomanias or they are in desperate situations that they resort to stealing.

Unless you're a determinist. "Wanting to" implies kleptomaniacal inclinations, which would mean an impaired judgement that...

Sure, but that is not true in whole. You simply cannot put all law offenders in a "psychologically impaired" group, else all of the prisons would be empty and mental institutes would be full instead.

To clarify, The Stone Angel was a novel about overcoming the stigma of pride and appearances. Hagar Shipley did realize her change of heart. She came to peace, and with Mr. Troy's singing, was finally able to come to terms with herself and rejoice.

So then, what is the meaning of life (apart from 42)? How can this plane of existence be understood so thoroughly? Everyone must remember that reality is shaped and morphed by the choices we make in life. That is your own reality. If it is different from another's, technically, that is fine. Society has made many conform to certain standards, such as wearing clothing in general public. This is even enfoced by law. But of your reality means tossing your inhibitions out of the window and doing something with your life that most frown upon, is it ignorant to say that that person must be an outsider, a wreck of human life? Or is it only politically correct?

So this must be defined, this meaning of life, before any attempt at understanding just how ignorant others are may be judged.

I utterly disagree with you. I'm looking at the last page of the book right now. She died bitter and fighting for every last second of her miserable life. She admitted herself that she had changed without realizing it. She surprises herself by looking into the mirror multiple times. She never came to terms with how she'd changed. Such was my argument, and it really didn't have as much to do with how bitter she was as the fact that she'd changed without realizing it.

42 is not the meaning of life. It is the answer to the question of life, the universe, and everything, which happens to be "how many times must a man walk down a road?" Or alternatively, from Marvin, "Give me a number, any number."

We're moving into a realm of philosophical discussion, which I somewhat frown upon for its sheer and blatant ignorance of the real world and its focus on the theoretical and the impractical; however, if a person's reality consists of tossing out his inhibitions and living a life that is frowned upon by the rest of society, it would be politically INcorrect to call him a human wreck, for politicians don't use such terms. On the other hand, it would NOT be ignorant to call him an outsider, because in reality, he is an outsider in every sense of the world, both physically and mentally. He is an outsider because he chooses a life of exile.

The meaning of life has long ago, through evolution, been determined to be the be the "neccessity for an enjoyable life". This broad statement encompasses a vast number of other things, including:

1. Physical needs (food, etc)
2. Emotional needs (love, etc)

Everything else that one would consider to be the hallmark of a "enjoyable life" can fall under these categories.

By choosing to be a social outcase, you are satisfying your emotional needs (however weird they are), but abandoning your physical needs. Since the neccesity for emotional needs arises from the existence of a physical body in the first place, the rational mind can conclude that a person who chooses to address his emotional needs over his physical needs is an "ignorant human wreck", however P.incorrect those terms might be.

Q.E.D.

I am right, you are wrong, goodbye, goodnight.

Sure, but that is not true in whole. You simply cannot put all law offenders in a "psychologically impaired" group, else all of the prisons would be empty and mental institutes would be full instead.

Though this is not the proper thread, I will summarize my quasi-determinist philosophy that I entertain on occasion:
1. There is nature and nurture and nothing inbetween, thus, no free will.
2. Notwithstanding this, we can still treat criminals et al. as forces of nature (i.e. natural disasters a la Vash) that can and should be minimized and/or removed from the society/existence.

Once again, not the right topic, nor should I be taken to be 100% serious.

Now then... Now that I have a bit more control/attention on the thread, I shall repost my personal experience/ruminations of "pretending to be gay":

For a long period of time in my relationship with my (first) girlfriend, I found myself consciously attempting to "act gay", simply because she had expressed an inordinate fondness for "pretty boys" and gay guys. This, compounded by the fact that I (genuinely) like to promote liberal-libertarian goals such as gay rights/acceptance, led to a number of circumstances in me substantially overacting (i.e. not being true to who I was), proclaiming everything from being eager to experiment with guys to claiming to enjoy gay porn and yaoi, despite the fact that it wasn't true. In fact, much of what I attempted to portray myself as can be seen in some posts I've made on this site in the past several years (2003-5).

Personally, I find it a very sad situation when a person puts himself through that. It's not simply the fact that it's embarrassing (to a certain extent at the time, but most certainly in retrospect), there's also that feeling of immense shame at trying or pretending to be someone you're not... I suppose [my] situation is comparable to that of girls who act slutty or feel compelled to augment their breasts or starve themselves. The irony of that, of course, is that I always used to shake my head at such a display of manipulability. Perhaps the new wave of men induced to pumping lead is giving way to men encouraged to pump... yah.

And that, my friends, is an admission of "pretending to be gay" from an 8.8 on the Kinsey scale.

I really don't think so. People in their right mind don't do things that feel naturally wrong to them for no reason. It's usually because they're kleptomanias or they are in desperate situations that they resort to stealing.
But that's a generalization based off what you think the natural human psyche is. But no one knows that. I didn't eat today. It's not healthy for me. I know it's not healthy for me. Reason I did it is because I didn't feel like getting out of bed.

A man sees a woman (or another man, or whatever) and finds her/him/it attractive. He might think about taking it (either sexually or physically). He might think it wrong, or he might not care and take it anyways. Then you end up with an overly-horribly simplified version of adultery, rape, or theft.

But that's a generalization based off what you think the natural human psyche is. But no one knows that. I didn't eat today. It's not healthy for me. I know it's not healthy for me. Reason I did it is because I didn't feel like getting out of bed.

A man sees a woman (or another man, or whatever) and finds her/him/it attractive. He might think about taking it (either sexually or physically). He might think it wrong, or he might not care and take it anyways. Then you end up with an overly-horribly simplified version of adultery, rape, or theft.

I don't pretend to know a lot on this subject, but whenever I hear of these kind of things on the news, I prefer to give the murderer/rapist/thief the benefit of a doubt rather than deem them evil and dehumanized them.

I could never give a rapist the benifit of the doubt. What doubt is there in that situation? That he did it? The reasons behind rape can never be softened up and explained away.

yea... so... what about pretending to be gay?

yea... so... what about pretending to be gay?

riight. On-topic-ness. I'm lucky CanuckHeaven didn't burst in here and start telling you people lies. Whatever he tells you about me being a master spammer is a lie! :p

Anyway...guys who pretend to be gay are stupid. *nod*

And what? The rules of the human psych is to conform? I refuse to believe that, and even if it's true, people with will can overcome whatever their psych is telling them to do.

I wish.

I know people change, but it's not neccessarily according to their environment. And even if they DO change according to it, it's about what they adapt from it. Some people adapt the negative parts, while others adapt the positive. And your fact in life is not true. These groups are presented as antagonizing, but if they are even slightly removed from the restrictions of society and their supposed "rules", then they can tolerate each other. In fact, everyone can tolerate everybody else, we just put ourselves in these boxes believing we can't.

I can't tolerate rapists. I like my box just fine, thanks.

Also, I HAVE read the book, and I believe her name is spelled Margaret Laurence. I fail to see what the book has to do with our discussion, since Hagar did not change in the book until the very end.

Yes, I spelt it wrong. You win there. My point was that you can change without realizing it, as she does through out the book.

You might not think it did, but I dare you to truthfully say you did not learn one thing from it.

I did. I learnt how not to become a failure by observing the failures around me. But that observation was in retrospect, after I became friends with a better crowd.

My friend's uncle is in his 50's. He established 3 radio stations in 2 different cities, is a successful businessman, and does a lot of charity work. Does that fit into your definition of "successful career" then? And yes, he still smokes pot. Another friend's father is the manager of Moores, he is in his 40's, and he still smokes pot.

Neither do, actually. They're not intellectual enough. I have no respect for anyone who becomes rich through such lowly means as the entertainment or clothing industries. Businessmen are not professionals - they're just people who are skilled at gathering money.

Then I suppose you're the master who knows what life is all about? This naive ignorance is neccessary for change, and I hope you realize that.

Yes, and hypocracy.

If you think of him as a loser, then you are the loser. Nobody commits crimes out of their own free will. If he had another choice, I'm sure he would've picked it. Whether it's the dire situation or his own mental disorders, he does not do it for the pleasure.

I just spent the last hour of my life debating with you?! I want my life back. You're not worth my breath. Atleast Tweet Tweet is intelligent.

I wish.



I can't tolerate rapists. I like my box just fine, thanks.



Yes, I spelt it wrong. You win there. My point was that you can change without realizing it, as she does through out the book.



I did. I learnt how not to become a failure by observing the failures around me. But that observation was in retrospect, after I became friends with a better crowd.



Neither do, actually. They're not intellictual enough. I have no respect for anyone who becomes rich through such lowly means as the entertainment or clothing industries. Businessmen are not professionals - they're just people who are skilled at gathering money.



Yes, and hypocracy.



I just spent the last hour of my life debating with you?! I want my life back. You're not worth my breath.
You are a piece of work, you are. You have NO idea how much intellectual savy it takes to run a successful business.

yea... so... what about pretending to be gay?
Sorry about going off topic ^_^

You are a piece of work, you are. You have NO idea how much intellectual savy it takes to run a successful business.

If you categorize that type of skill as "intellectual", then you've been deceived.

Examples:
JD Salinger is intellectual.
Larry Page is not.

If you categorize that type of skill as "intellectual", then you've been deceived.
I happen to major in business, thank you very much. One doesn't need a Ph.D. in Physics to be considered smart. Different skills are required in different areas. Business happens to be a complicated venture.

If you categorize that type of skill as "intellectual", then you've been deceived.

Although you're right in that those skills certainly aren't intellectual, it's wrong for you to preclude the people he mentioned from being "intellectuals" simply from the jobs they have or the drugs they take (remember that nicotine, caffeine, chocolate etc. are drugs to some degree as well.)

Personally I'd prefer it if you guys returned to the topic, or at least gave me your opinion/commiserated with the personal example I gave.

I happen to major in business, thank you very much. One doesn't need a Ph.D. in Physics to be considered smart. Different skills are required in different areas. Business happens to be a complicated venture.

I'm sure you'll enjoy a very successful and fullfilling life as a business major, and I respect that. I agree that it takes a great deal of skill and dedication to overcome the difficulties involved in business and to become successful.

I don't think intellect is synonymous with smartness. To have intellect is to have the ability to reflect. Neither businessmen nor physicists are good at reflecting, unfortunately.

The most intellectual people are always the language, art, or social science majors. Their fields are the the studies of humanity. Business and physics are the studies of economics and science.

The most intellectual people are always the language, art, or social science majors. Their fields are the the studies of humanity. Business and physics are the studies of economics and science.

I beg to differ. As I said before, intellectualism is not equivalent to intelligence, and thus it has no bearings/limits pertaining to occupation or academic interest.

*snip*
I just spent the last hour of my life debating with you?! I want my life back. You're not worth my breath. Atleast Tweet Tweet is intelligent.

That's all I needed to know. You are not openminded enough to accept other people's points of view, and believe they must follow yours. Don't judge people by what they surround themselves with, that's all I have to say. You can consider that statement or disregard it; it makes no difference to me. If it comes back to bite you in the ass in the end, at least I'll have a free conscience of it.

Now then... Now that I have a bit more control/attention on the thread, I shall repost my personal experience/ruminations of "pretending to be gay":

For a long period of time in my relationship with my (first) girlfriend, I found myself consciously attempting to "act gay", simply because she had expressed an inordinate fondness for "pretty boys" and gay guys. This, compounded by the fact that I (genuinely) like to promote liberal-libertarian goals such as gay rights/acceptance, led to a number of circumstances in me substantially overacting (i.e. not being true to who I was), proclaiming everything from being eager to experiment with guys to claiming to enjoy gay porn and yaoi, despite the fact that it wasn't true. In fact, much of what I attempted to portray myself as can be seen in some posts I've made on this site in the past several years (2003-5).

Personally, I find it a very sad situation when a person puts himself through that. It's not simply the fact that it's embarrassing (to a certain extent at the time, but most certainly in retrospect), there's also that feeling of immense shame at trying or pretending to be someone you're not... I suppose [my] situation is comparable to that of girls who act slutty or feel compelled to augment their breasts or starve themselves. The irony of that, of course, is that I always used to shake my head at such a display of manipulability. Perhaps the new wave of men induced to pumping lead is giving way to men encouraged to pump... yah.

And that, my friends, is an admission of "pretending to be gay" from an 8.8 on the Kinsey scale.

Girls are not attracted to sensitivity or acuteness of thought. They are attrated to confidence, appearance, and masculinity.

Girls don't find gay men attractive - just less threatening. Gay men are like novelty items they can play with.

Pretending to be gay would not help your relationship. If you want to be attractive, you should strive to improve your appearance, carry yourself with confidence, be attentive, and act mature.

Oh, and if she doesn't like you, forget about her. She's not worth it, and it's her loss anyway.

You are not openminded enough to accept other people's points of view

No, and I apologize for that. But atleast I realize/admit it, unlike some people. And I will always judge people by who they surround themselves with, because it is one of the only things in their lives they have control over. You CHOOSE your friends, and your choice of friends reflects who you are. A good person will not resort to crime no matter how dire the situation. There are organizations one can take advantage of to dig themselves out of the hole they are in. One needs not to steal for a living. As for my comment - anyone who supports the actions of a criminal are not worth talking to, because they are probably criminals themselves. Is that a blatant generalization, sure it is.

Saipea, I did respond to your example. You needed to give me more time.

Girls are not attracted to sensitivity or acuteness of thought. They are attrated to confidence, appearance, and masculinity.

Girls don't find gay men attractive - just less threatening. Gay men are like novelty items they can play with.

Pretending to be gay would not help your relationship. If you want to be attractive, you should strive to improve your appearance, carry yourself with confidence, be attentive, and act mature.

Oh, and if she doesn't like you, forget about her. She's not worth it, and it's her loss anyway.

Once again, I agree with some of your thoughts and not so much with others. But the gist of it is true, and indeed I am in the process of rectifying the situation. Thank you for your input; since the situation is personal, I felt a more than usual urge to receive a reply to my thoughts.

And I will always judge people by who they surround themselves with, because it is one of the only things in their lives they have control over. You CHOOSE your friends, and your choice of friends reflects who you are.

Saipea, I did respond to your example. You needed to give me more time.

Well put; friends -- true friends (according to the qualifications of Aristotle) -- are one of the clearest reflections of a person's character.

(And my apologies for my cajoling.)

Once again, I agree with some of your thoughts and not so much with others. But the gist of it is true, and indeed I am in the process of rectifying the situation. Thank you for your input; since the situation is personal, I felt a more than usual urge to receive a reply to my thoughts.

Girls are such annoyances. You can't help but care about them. I want to find that one person, get married, and stay married. What's so great about getting laid by a million girls anyway?

Erm, how would they 'get' women? :confused:

I detect a flaw with that strategy.
Erm...
BLOODHOUND GANG LYRICS

"I Wish I Was Queer So I Could Get Chicks"

If your ass is a Chinese restaurant I'll have the poo-poo platter
My friend Jerry Vandergrift kissed me in Home Ec. class
Later in the afternoon some jarheads in the locker room kicked my ass
I said guys I'm like you I like Monster Trucks too
Wanna see how many push-ups I can do?
I just wish I was queer so I could get chicks
Chicks dig guys that are
Queer guys that don't dig
Chicks that don't dig guys like me
See I'm not queer I'm too ugly
But if I were handsome just imagine how great it would be
Incognito as gay though but not actually that way though pseudo homo phony
Maybe it's a stupid theory or maybe just stupidity
But if I was a queerbee in the fashion industry
Scoring with a super model would be easy
Cause 'super model' means voluptuous but is also is synonomous with 'super dumb'
Ya see I'd be a good listener so she'd treat me like a sister and soon I'd become
That trusted friend that cares that rubs her back and braids her hair
No it wouldn't be a week before I'm in her underwear
I wish I was queer so I could get chicks
Chicks dig guys that are
Queer guys that don't dig
Chicks that don't dig guys like me
See I'm not queer I'm too ugly
Doesn't matter what I'm packin' in my denim it's what's in my genes
The only smoked meat the only sausage I would eat is made by Jimmy Dean
See I'm not to keen on the smell of Vaseline
No I'm not Princess Di and I don't wanna be a queen
I wish I was queer so I could get chicks

Anyway if I were gay I'd have to change my name to Dirk or Lewis
Hang out with my mom's hair stylist his name is Kip he's got a lisp he talks like this
And wear my mother's lingerie learn the songs of Broadway
And appreciate Depeche Mode and avant garde ballet
I wish I was queer so I could get chicks
Chicks dig guys that are
Queer guys that don't dig
Chicks dig guys that are
Queer guys that don't dig
Chicks dig guys that are
Queer guys that don't dig
Chicks that don't dig guys like me
See I'm not queer I'm too ugly
And I don't shave my heiny
Don't shave my heiny
See I'm not queer I'm too ugly

Wimmen are crazy.

That is the most pathetic desperate thing a guy could do- but I've heard about it, though mostly in sit-coms and ridiculous teen comedies.

"ooh, Brandon, you're soooo gay. It get's me so hot and bothered" ...I'm sure that's exactly how it would play out.

Haha, ohhhh yeah, guys do it. It was especially popular at Bennington, but all the guys there were metro anyway, so there was a very fine line between fakeness and reality.

See, gay guys aren't a "threat," so girls will do things around them that they'd do around their female friends. Undress, talk about nasty things that girls never discuss around men, et cetera. Control that there hard-on and you've got yourself some free poon, especially if you get the girl who is stupid enough to believe the "I just want to see... maybe I'm not gay... I've never been with a woman" thing. HA.

Whatever it takes, as long as she says "yes".

I say, keep up the good work fake-homos.

Is it true that there are guys in college who pretend to be gay so that they could get women? Because if it is, that's just sad. And why do women like gay men better, if they do like them bette?
There are guys who are prepared to try pretty much anything other than being honest with women. There are guys who will try any trick to get pussy, so long as it doesn't require them to actually speak with or get to know any women. There are guys who think that pretending to be a good platonic friend in order to weasel into a girl's life makes them less of an asshole than the jocks.

These are usually the guys who you hear whining about how girls never go for "nice guys" like them. They befriend women for the sole purpose of trying to score, pretending to care about these women while really just trying to gain enough sympathy for the girl to let her guard down, but they're NICE so it's all ok. They usually are the ones loudly arguing about how all women go after jerks, and what women really should do is go for "nice guys" like them.

Playing gay is just one of many such ploys. The "gay friend" can get away with staying in the room while a girl changes clothes. The "gay friend" will get to hear all about her boy problems, and can offer "advice" without anyone suspecting his agenda. And when the "gay friend" suddenly starts having these strange feelings, feelings that make him question what he thought he knew about himself, feelings that make him think that maybe the right girl could turn him straight...well, the girl would be a total bitch for turning him down, of course! You aren't allowed to be mean to the nice gay friend! I guess you'll just have to sleep with him. Funny how that works out.

It's a brilliant racket, and I've had several guys try to use it on me.

In my school there seem to be a very large number of girls who declare themselves bi after one (usually public) make-out session with another girl, then have relationships with a steady stream of guys. I really don't know about the other way around.
Quite a lot of that at my school...