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Scolari offered the England Job - BBC.co.uk/sport (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/4949118.stm)


So assuming Big Phil takes the offer, we'll have another foreign, albeit extremely well qualified, manager of the England football team.

What do you think? Should we have an English manager or do you think that Scolari is the best man for the job?


I personally think that its a good choice by the FA, but the next manager after Phil should be English, because by then Jewell, Pearce et al should have more experience and therefore be suitable.

I think its a great move if we do get him! I'm not really keen on the 'little Englander' mentality that we english often have and with Scolari we r getting a man with a proven track record of success, i reckon providing he can learn english quickly enough he will b fantastic.....but please Big Phil take the captaincy off Beckham!!!

Yeah hopefully the english lot will have experience at the top level once he leaves

but please Big Phil take the captaincy off Beckham!!!

Don't just stop there, drop him all together and put Aaron Lennon in, he has been far more effective this season than Beckham and can actually dribble down the wing!!!

I do not see big Phil knowing enough about English football. I think that the England Manager should have at least two years experience managing in England. That way he has a chance to really know the English strngths and weaknesses.
If Scolari tries to introduce a Brazilian style to English football it simply will not work. It requires attitudes and abilities that the English players don't have. (This is not a criticism of the English, it is simply an observation that the whole football culture is different.)
An additional problem is that his English isn't too good.

An additional problem is that his English isn't too good.
At least he'll be able to ignore the media...

My opinion on this is 'meh'. I'll judge after he's been in charge for a bit. On paper it looks a good idea - he's a bloody good manager. But, as AB said, he probably doesn't know enough about the English game to be able to manage the national team.

It could be very easily argued that he didn't know enough about the Portugese league/players, but hes done alright with them. Like Stalin said, i'll judge him after a few games, assuming he takes the job.


Sorry if i misspell stuff, i'm slightly drunk after wathcing the boro game!

Jose Mourinho would be the best option by far allthough he would never accept the position.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/4955490.stm
Apparently, he's not going to be. The FA are fucking useless. Just find a manager, ask him if he wants the job, then give it to him. Simple.

Pardon!!! You think Filipe Scolari is a good coach, did you happen to notice how he managed to make the same mistakes over and over and over again. If a decent intelligent person had been ahead of the Portuguese national squad they wouldn't have lost the final with Greece, against who they had already lost the Euro 2004 opening match, in exactly the same way!!! He is the most pigheaded retrograde thinker I've ever known. Mancini comes to mind when speaking of making the least of your players talent, right behind him is Scolari.

Pardon!!! You think Filipe Scolari is a good coach, did you happen to notice how he managed to make the same mistakes over and over and over again. If a decent intelligent person had been ahead of the Portuguese national squad they wouldn't have lost the final with Greece, against who they had already lost the Euro 2004 opening match, in exactly the same way!!! He is the most pigheaded retrograde thinker I've ever known. Mancini comes to mind when speaking of making the least of your players talent, right behind him is Scolari.
Erm...he's also won the World Cup. Comfortably. And Portugal would never have been contenders for the European Championship if Scolari hadn't been in charge.

Also, take into account that, compared to Eriksson, Scolari would be great. He'd cut Beckham down to size in an instant, and he'd have the command of the dressing room. He also knows how to motivate a team, unlike a certain Swede...

I support Steve McMclaren but don't understand why he has been overlooked when he has managed to take Boro to the UEFA cup final?

I support Steve McMclaren but don't understand why he has been overlooked when he has managed to take Boro to the UEFA cup final?
Seeing as that was only yesterday, and the FA had all but offered the job to Scolari by then, it's easy to explain. However, if you take away the UEFA Cup, Middlesbrough haven't had a great season. In the FA Cup, it took them a replay to beat Nuneaton Borough, Coventry, and Charlton, as well as beating Preston, then they lost to West Ham. That's a fairly easy run of games for them there. In the league they're 14th, whereas at the start of the season they would have seen a top half finish as their objective. All in all, McLaren's not had that wonderful a season. I'm hoping it'll be Sam Allardyce, to be honest, although Bolton would suffer severely if that were the case.

Scolari is a great coach and with him at the helm Portugal are clear cut contenders for the cup.

Ok, this is old news and way past the point now, but why would anyone want Scolari anyway? I mean, Kermit the Frog could have won the '02 world cup managing Brazil! And, who was in charge of Portugal when they lost in '04 to Greece? Scolari. Yes. I'm glad he's not taking the job. I'd like Allardyce, but would take McClaran, because he's got internation experience under Sven, and is an absolute quality manager.

The pub I was in last night erupted when the fourth goal went in, even if we ARE a couple hundred miles south of M'boro!

I mean, Kermit the Frog could have won the '02 world cup managing Brazil!

If you think players are enough to win titles then explain Real Madrid's demise.

And, who was in charge of Portugal when they lost in '04 to Greece?

The same guy that managed them when they outplayed and defeated Spain, England and Holland in that very same tournament.

I'd like Allardyce, but would take McClaran, because he's got internation experience under Sven, and is an absolute quality manager.McClaran as in the manager of Middlesbrough? The same manager that watched impassively as he saw his side lose 5-0 to lowly Sporting of Lisbon in an exhibition match early this year? Mark my words... hire him and England won't qualify for the next world cup.

Because Real Madrid are full of old, tiring players. See Zidane for starters. And Beckham's getting tiring too, ego and football watching wise.

Yeah, and England lost under Sven. So we shouldn't have Sven, and we shouldn't have Scolari who couldn't win a tournament in his own country. I mean, sure, we lost to the Germans in 96, but at least we lost to the winners, and Germany in the mid 90's were the best team in Europe.

And McClaren, the same manager that's seen Boro rise to two near-impossible comebacks. He must be saying the right words in the dressing room.

Hah, England would qualify easily for the next World Cup, I don't see us losing to Northern Ireland anytime soon under McClaren either!

Furthurmore on a general point, what's the point of hiring assistant managers if you don't use their experience, especially in the international game?

And he just turned down the position because he couldn't be arsed with the british media ..

Haha yeah, those twenty one journalists outside his house was it?

We should all write a letter of thanks to the Sun!

Haha yeah, those twenty one journalists outside his house was it?

We should all write a letter of thanks to the Sun!
Meh that or the thought of having to put up with players of Beckhams 'quality'

Quality and Beckham...I'd only have him in my England squad as set-piece taker.

I knew I should have wished on that shooting star I saw last night.

Quality and Beckham...I'd only have him in my England squad as set-piece taker.

I knew I should have wished on that shooting star I saw last night.
The only reason I'd have him on the squad would be to hand out the oranges at half time..

Said like a true Sunday footballer. My dad, in management of his team, once accidentally bought Grapefruit instead of oranges.

Becks would probably buy starfruit or something on Victoria's 'healthy eating' orders.

Because Real Madrid are full of old, tiring players. See Zidane for starters. And Beckham's getting tiring too, ego and football watching wise.A few years ago they were doing as bad as today and they were all younger, stronger and faster.

Yeah, and England lost under Sven. So we shouldn't have Sven, and we shouldn't have Scolari who couldn't win a tournament in his own country.His country is Brazil where he's had a marvelous career at the club level even before becoming national squad manager.

Nevertheless, Englands problems won't be solved by a manager that suddonly comes in and starts winning titles. Not even Mourinho could do that. I think England will have to seriously rethink its football mentality and it has to start from the ground up. Youth levels. In today's game save for a few special players, English defenders and strikers are both way too slow on their feet and English midfielders and wing-backs have sloppy mechanics and underdeveloped technical abilities. If England's national side had been half as good as England's professional football league has been, they'd win every game of every tournament.

If England's national side had been half as good as England's professional football league has been, they'd win every game of every tournament.
Agreed inagine if the rule hadn't been amended to alow more than three forign players, can you imagine the state of the premiership???

As much as wingbacks would work if Liverpool for instance played John Arne Riise at left back, I don't think they would work in the international game. Playing against a team with a pacy right winger, all it would need would be one break and England would be done for.

Yes, not enough is being done for grassroots football, I totally agree. And, as much as I'd love to get my FA Coaching Badges, I wouldn't know where to begin. The FA needs to encourage young players as well as those who are tactically minded but not ballwork ablity blessed people (such as myself :-P) to get into the game, not only create schemes in "troubled areas" of the country.

Having said all this though... I wonder how much of England's failures at tournaments are due to a string of bad manangers one after the other. Poorly selected and managed squads rather than lack of talent.

True, but if I remember rightly I don't belive the 66 team were ever believed to be able to make the final, let alone win it.

Maybe it just takes luck, and a Russian linesman, and we can only wait and see.

Nah in the 60's and early 70's it was England's for the taking. The best side you've ever fielded. And Alf knew what he was doing.

And McClaren, the same manager that's seen Boro rise to two near-impossible comebacks. He must be saying the right words in the dressing room.

Maybe, but he also fucked up in choosing a 3-5-2 (or 5-3-2) formation for the first 25 mins. Only Southgate getting injured made him change. He messed up well and truly and sent a demoralised team out to play in the first half. He is fallible.


I'm still pissed that Scolari didn't get it. Not one of the English managers has his track record, I only hope they go for Martin O'Neil who has CL experience and is a far better manager than MacLaren, Alardyce, Pearce etc.

Nah in the 60's and early 70's it was England's for the taking. The best side you've ever fielded. And Alf knew what he was doing.


Maybe he did, but England weren't the favourites. Most of south america belived the WC was handed to England on a plate, and watching all the matches, there is some truth in that statement, although it is more than a little disingenous.

I'm a bit of world cup history buff and all the sources I've come across state that England were the favourites to win in both 66 and 70.

Erm...he's also won the World Cup. Comfortably. And Portugal would never have been contenders for the European Championship if Scolari hadn't been in charge.

Also, take into account that, compared to Eriksson, Scolari would be great. He'd cut Beckham down to size in an instant, and he'd have the command of the dressing room. He also knows how to motivate a team, unlike a certain Swede...

Really, well I remember how mediocre was that Brazil team 4 years ago, and sorry if I think that eventhough nearly everyone minimises team Portugal, it's been what, 20 years? since say, England has beat or outperformed Portugal in a international competition, remember euro 2000, remember euro 2004. World Cups have nightmarish for both sides for a long long time, when compared to expectations. You say Portugal wouldn't have been a contender if it wasn't for Scolari?!!? Have you seen Portugal play, what other team has such regular good performance despite the coaches incompetence, from incomprehensible player choices to dumb substitutions that, actually lose games. Euro 2004 was Portugals' for the taking, they beat everyone except their coach. Clockwork orange Holland, beat, god save England, beat (with a goal from a player he nearly didn't choose for the competition, Rui Costa), etc..

Shut up Isso. In my opinion is that Portugal has a fine team and is superior to England. But it also has a fine manager in Scolari. To say that a nation that had never won anything, failing to lose in a final (even in its own territory) is due to incompetent coaching is just plain stupid.

I'm a bit of world cup history buff and all the sources I've come across state that England were the favourites to win in both 66 and 70.


They were among the favourites but were never out and out favourites, like Brazil have been for the past few years.

Italy were top of the betting odds and Brazil (with Pele) were favoured more than England at the time.

Really, well I remember how mediocre was that Brazil team 4 years ago, and sorry if I think that eventhough nearly everyone minimises team Portugal, it's been what, 20 years? since say, England has beat or outperformed Portugal in a international competition, remember euro 2000, remember euro 2004. World Cups have nightmarish for both sides for a long long time, when compared to expectations. You say Portugal wouldn't have been a contender if it wasn't for Scolari?!!? Have you seen Portugal play, what other team has such regular good performance despite the coaches incompetence, from incomprehensible player choices to dumb substitutions that, actually lose games. Euro 2004 was Portugals' for the taking, they beat everyone except their coach. Clockwork orange Holland, beat, god save England, beat (with a goal from a player he nearly didn't choose for the competition, Rui Costa), etc..

Rui Costa was having an atrocious season at AC Milan, he had every reason to leave him out.

Incompetant coaching? Are you for real? Scolari did really well to get an average Portugese side to the final. Greece beat Portugal, France etc, to get to the final, they deserved it. It wasn't due to 'incompetant coaching'. Thats just rediculous.

And if he is so incompetant, how come Portugal have had they best ever qualifying round with him at the helm?

Well, you missed out on Guus Hiddink. He coached Oz to World Cup 2006, but now the Russians have him.

Kellarly, I think over-exuberant criticisms of Scolari coming from Portuguese NS nations should be taken with a pinch of salt and not looked upon too heavily. Those who hate him do so mainly because of petty bickering between Benfica, Porto and Sporting fans.

I do dissagree with something you have just said though.
Scolari did really well to get an average Portuguese side to the final.

While I do feel that Scolari is a great manager, Portugal's side was not and is not average. At the time you will do well to remember that Portugal boasted several players from the European champion FC Porto at the time including the entire mid-field. Furthermore they added to that players that are considered fundamental to clubs like Real Madrid (Figo), Deportivo la Coruña (Jorge Andrade), Manchester United (Cristiano Ronaldo) and the top scorer in France for PSG, Pauleta. Portugal also had players from clubs such as Lazio and AC Milan.

Portugal has consistently been Europe's best kept secret in terms of footballing prowess. Solid and deep talent pool but zero organizational skills from top management and coaching. With the hiring of Scolari all of that has changed.

While I do feel that Scolari is a great manager, Portugal's side was not and is not average. At the time you will do well to remember that Portugal boasted several players from the European champion FC Porto at the time including the entire mid-field. Furthermore they added to that players that are considered fundamental to clubs like Real Madrid (Figo), Deportivo la Coruña (Jorge Andrade), Manchester United (Cristiano Ronaldo) and the top scorer in France for PSG, Pauleta. Portugal also had players from clubs such as Lazio and AC Milan.

Portugal has consistently been Europe's best kept secret in terms of footballing prowess. Solid and deep talent pool but zero organizational skills from top management and coaching. With the hiring of Scolari all of that has changed.

Maybe I was a bit harsh. Although they have had any excellent team 'The Golden Generation' and the new younger generation of players coming through, that tournament was a transitional one for the team, and they were not much above average then. Their keeper (can't remember his name, Ricardo was it?) was rash, not very thoughtful and tbh isn't a class keeper, although is reactions are excellent. Their defence is pretty decent, but they aren't very pacey.

Jorge Andrade is a class player and playing alongside Maniche in the midfield they were pretty formidable, although a lack of pace can be levelled at them too.

Figo and Rui Costa were over the hill and have remaind so. Figo barely plays for Inter Milan currently and was having a bad season at the time for Real Madrid. Pauleta is a good striker granted, but world class? Nope.

Put it like this, I would not like to play them, but I would always believe that they are beatable, esp. at that competition. They only won after England had a legitimate goal ruled out for a 'foul' :rolleyes:

Now though, after their quite frankly brilliant qualification, are one of my choices to make a big impact in the WC in June.

Jorge Andrade is a class player and playing alongside Maniche in the midfield they were pretty formidable, although a lack of pace can be levelled at them too.Jorge Andrade is a centre-back. The central midfield was held together by Costinha, Maniche and Deco. The FC Porto trio that won them their Champions League title.

Put it like this, I would not like to play them, but I would always believe that they are beatable, esp. at that competition.
And this is precisely where most England fans are way off. In recent tournaments England have always invariably lost to Portugal. In 2000 and 2004. The referee had very little do with the fact that England was outplayed in both matches.

Jorge Andrade is a centre-back. The central midfield was held together by Costinha, Maniche and Deco. The FC Porto trio that won them their Champions League title.


Forgive me, I was getting mixed up with Costinha. Never the less after Mourinho left Porto are not the same team, so the group of players IMHO are no longer quite as effective.


And this is precisely where most England fans are way off. In recent tournaments England have always invariably lost to Portugal. In 2000 and 2004. The referee had very little do with the fact that England was outplayed in both matches.

No I believe this is where you are slightly off. In 2000 yes England were outplayed but not conclusively. But we still lost. In 2004 we were not out played, we had the better chances, the better posession and Ashley Cole kept Ronaldo silent. The ref's decision was shocking and England would have held on to win quite comfortably IMHO.

No I believe this is where you are slightly off. In 2000 yes England were outplayed but not conclusively. But we still lost. In 2004 we were not out played, we had the better chances, the better posession and Ashley Cole kept Ronaldo silent. The ref's decision was shocking and England would have held on to win quite comfortably IMHO.

I must have seen a different game.

I must have seen a different game.

Fair enough, we'll agree to disagree.

TBH, its not like it matters, with the current England injury/manager/any other crisis, Portugal would kick us all over the pitch if we had to play tomorow.

FIFA got it badly wrong seeding England second, it actually fooled people into thinking that we had a chance. Now with Rooney and Owen crocked (both very doubtful) we've not got a pogo stick tester in a minefields chance.

Fair enough, we'll agree to disagree.

TBH, its not like it matters, with the current England injury/manager/any other crisis, Portugal would kick us all over the pitch if we had to play tomorow.

FIFA got it badly wrong seeding England second, it actually fooled people into thinking that we had a chance. Now with Rooney and Owen crocked (both very doubtful) we've not got a pogo stick tester in a minefields chance.
Yay! Going into a major tournament with an unfit left-back, no decent centre forward, and Beckham in the team. Reckon we'll beat Trinidad & Tobago?

Yay! Going into a major tournament with an unfit left-back, no decent centre forward, and Beckham in the team. Reckon we'll beat Trinidad & Tobago?

It'll be tough, but I can see Chris Birchall of Port Vale banging in a 30 yarder in the 89th minute to send us home...

Well, you missed out on Guus Hiddink. He coached Oz to World Cup 2006, but now the Russians have him.
Really.

Really.

Yeah.

It'll be tough, but I can see Chris Birchall of Port Vale banging in a 30 yarder in the 89th minute to send us home...
Never joke about this sort of thing. ;)

Never joke about this sort of thing. ;)


Whoops. :p