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In magical fairyland you have to vote between Nixon and Bush as the president of the United States. No questions about how you got to magical fairyland.

Bush, hands down.

World war Two Hero Bush!

I honestly can't choose so I'll go with Nixon just because he may have learned something in the afterlife.

World war Two Hero Bush!
OK... present Bush.

I honestly can't choose so I'll go with Nixon just because he may have learned something in the afterlife.

There's really no comparison. At all.

Anything you can complain about bush doing, Nixon did a billion times worse.

And even if the situation in the ME turns into the worst nightmare possible, nothing can ever compare to the ramifications of Kissengers foreign policy screw-ups.

Those two clowns [Henry and Richard] fucked up most of asia simply over a pissing match with the soviet union.

Of course, hands down, LBJ was the most evil american of the latter half of the twentieth century, but I digress.

probably Nixon, seeing as he is the greater scumbag of the two. That way everyone would be in agreement that he is a scumbag and impeach him ASAP. None of this 'controversy' surrounding him, as there is around Bush. Even if Bush got the job after the said Impeachment, at least he would would be very aware that Scumbags can be impeached.

Well, I'm pleased to know that whatever way I vote, those uppity unicorns are going to be taken down. They run around magical fairyland like the own the place.

OK... present Bush.
I still vote for a Bush.

Bush. He's just a bumbling oaf. Nixon was most assuredly not.

Vote Nixon, because corpses can't do crap.

Nixon was smart. Good at leadership. Opened China. Great economy. Really a very good President. Too bad he was also parinoid to the point of breaking the law because he thought others were going to do illegal things to him. Mentally ill, but still a great leader.

There's really no comparison. At all.

Anything you can complain about bush doing, Nixon did a billion times worse.

And even if the situation in the ME turns into the worst nightmare possible, nothing can ever compare to the ramifications of Kissengers foreign policy screw-ups.

Those two clowns [Henry and Richard] fucked up most of asia simply over a pissing match with the soviet union.

Of course, hands down, LBJ was the most evil american of the latter half of the twentieth century, but I digress.
My question would be--does either of them have an oppositional Congress to deal with? That's the only reason Nixon was eventually stopped. If Bush had had to deal with the Congresses Nixon did, he'd have been gone, impeached, over a year ago.

Bush. He's just a bumbling oaf. Nixon was most assuredly not.

My thoughts exactly.

In magical fairyland you have to vote between Nixon and Bush as the president of the United States. No questions about how you got to magical fairyland.
Nixon.

He didn't get re-elected after Watergate broke.

Nixon by a mile. He may have been a scheming paranoid SOB, but at least he knew how to do his job. That's more than I can say for the horribly incompetent scheming paranoid SOB that GWB is.

its a very tough question. i still hate nixon more, but he did have some skill at the job. bush isnt as psychotically evil but he is extremely incompetent. i voted nixon because i want my bad president to at least know what he is doing.

Nixon by a mile. He may have been a scheming paranoid SOB, but at least he knew how to do his job. That's more than I can say for the horribly incompetent scheming paranoid SOB that GWB is.

Completely agree.

In magical fairyland you have to vote between Nixon and Bush as the president of the United States. No questions about how you got to magical fairyland.

Nixon was an excellent leader and president with delusions of grandeur and an overinflated opinion of his own power.

Bush is a crappy leader and a failed president with delusions of grandeur and an overinflated opinion of his own power.

So I ask you; Which would you rather have; A good megalomaniac, or a bad megalomaniac? :p

Vote Nixon, because corpses can't do crap.

Unless... Nixon's become so evil he's actually managed to do what he could never accomplish in life...

He's put Hell out of business! o.0

Finally, he's returned. *Grabz Cr0ssbow*

To the Watergate-Mobile!

its a very tough question. i still hate nixon more, but he did have some skill at the job. bush isnt as psychotically evil but he is extremely incompetent. i voted nixon because i want my bad president to at least know what he is doing.

I want my bad President to be blissfully ignorant, realise the horrific truth and then strangle himself with an incredibly strong copy of the Constitution.

So I ask you; Which would you rather have; A good megalomaniac, or a bad megalomaniac?

But they're both annoying megalomaniacs.

Nixon, because he was more effective as a leader. GW is borderline retarded.

Vote Nixon, because corpses can't do crap.
We have nothing to fear but fear itself, and zombie Richard Nixon.

We have nothing to fear but fear itself, and zombie Richard Nixon.
Or Richard Nixon's head attached to a killer robot.
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Nixon was a superior politician... I'd vote for him. He did a lot of good things for the US before deciding to snoop...

Nixon was a criminal.



Bush has fought a war since the most dangerous enemy of the US since the Axis powers. He has had to overcome an economy destroyed by a permissive Administration that allowed funny money, the dot com bubble, and lax defense to sink the country into recession.


He's done pretty good overcoming Clinton and Terrorism thus far.


Now just build a few refineries and get the fuel supply where it needs to be.

Half the people in here are already actually in magical fairyland, so they can answer this more accurately than I.

Nixon.
Nixon passed the Civil Rights Act and abolished the draft.
He's a creep, but I'd take a competent creep over an INcompetent creep.

The thing about both Bush and Nixon...they're both essentially xenophobes and want to establish a morally hegemonic America. And they both practice that evil form of politics where there is a total disconnect between what you say to get elected and what you mean, and where you adopt the 'with us or against us' mindset that defines a large segment of our own people as 'the enemy'.

But at least Nixon...knew what the heck he was doing, ever.

Nixon was a criminal.



Bush has fought a war since the most dangerous enemy of the US since the Axis powers. He has had to overcome an economy destroyed by a permissive Administration that allowed funny money, the dot com bubble, and lax defense to sink the country into recession.


He's done pretty good overcoming Clinton and Terrorism thus far.


Now just build a few refineries and get the fuel supply where it needs to be.


You know, your post would be more effective if it were:

1) grammatical

2) historically acurate

3) not overly simplistic and full of scientific inaccuracies.

Nixon gave us detente, opened relations with China and withdrew us from Vietnam. Bush gave us Iraq, is destroying our relationship with just about everyone in the world and is just plain incompetent.

Nixon hands down.

well one thing Bush has done well, mainly through the employment of tax cuts for everyone (well, everyone who wasn't paying 0% taxes, that is...)... is to get the economy on solid footing after the twin shocks of 9/11 and the Tech Bust of Spring-Summer 2000.

Investor confidence is fairly strong (investment markets), unemployment is fairly low (4.7%?), consumer confidence is okay...

The next big hurdle is oil.

Maybe now we should take Iraq's oil to sharply increase our supply (Which would cause gas prices to drop.). If folks want to bitch about oil, we might as well give them something to bitch about.

hehe

Yes, let's just take it from them. We'll call it reparations. Let's go out of our way to show the world that the Iraq War was about oil.:rolleyes:

Yes, let's just take it from them. We'll call it reparations. Let's go out of our way to show the world that the Iraq War was about oil.:rolleyes:
The only people not convinced in the world that it was about oil are Americans.

And yay Zombie Nixon! I guess when you find out that he really does want to eat your brains, it takes a bit of the unattractiveness away.

Nixon.

They're both criminals with bad social plans, so it comes down to foreign and economic policy. Economically, they're also fairly close to clones, but Bush is just plain bad with foreign policy and Nixon wasn't bad at it.

Nixon, for setting up the environmental protection agency and pushing through the clean air act.

http://tfp.killbots.com/fanart/beamer/045_zoid-with-nixon.jpg
...And because for obvious reasons I cannot raise my right hand to take
the oath of office, I have appointed Dr. Zoidberg in my stead.

BUSH! President Bush was the best thing that ever happened to the US. Nixon didn't have the balls to strike Afghanistan or Iraq, but President Bush did, and rid us of the evils threatening our land. I wish he would nuke Iran already.

The only people not convinced in the world that it was about oil are Americans.

And yay Zombie Nixon! I guess when you find out that he really does want to eat your brains, it takes a bit of the unattractiveness away.

Correction. Some Americans. Some of us have known it all along, but if we dare say so, we get called traitors.

BUSH! President Bush was the best thing that ever happened to the US. Nixon didn't have the balls to strike Afghanistan or Iraq, but President Bush did, and rid us of the evils threatening our land. I wish he would nuke Iran already.


Why would Nixon have attacked Iraq or Afghanistan? And oh, yes! Can we please nuke Iran? wouldn't it be fun to set off WWIII? Don't worry folks, the USA will survive and we won't have any fallout because of that force field around our border. Oh, wait... :rolleyes:

...And because for obvious reasons I cannot raise my right hand to take the oath of office, I have appointed Dr. Zoidberg in my stead.[/CENTER]


Zoidberg would actually be a better choice...

Why would Nixon have attacked Iraq or Afghanistan? And oh, yes! Can we please nuke Iran? wouldn't it be fun to set off WWIII? Don't worry folks, the USA will survive and we won't have any fallout because of that force field around our border. Oh, wait... :rolleyes:

We musn't forget the force field. Or the series of Jeffery Tubes that only Americans can access. Or the +5 mace.

:D

Why would Nixon have attacked Iraq or Afghanistan? And oh, yes! Can we please nuke Iran? wouldn't it be fun to set off WWIII? Don't worry folks, the USA will survive and we won't have any fallout because of that force field around our border. Oh, wait... :rolleyes:

Why shouldn't he? He should've know those Muslims were up to no good. And why shouldn't we nuke Iran? They're just begging to be nuked right now. A fallout that far would NEVER affect the US in any way, so why bother even thinking about it?

Why shouldn't he? He should've know those Muslims were up to no good. And why shouldn't we nuke Iran? They're just begging to be nuked right now. A fallout that far would NEVER affect the US in any way, so why bother even thinking about it?

And do you seriously want to put the lives of many innocent people at risk?
That is gravely ill-informed. As psychotic as George W. Bush himself. But it is interesting to me that in his years in office he and his government have managed to brainwash so many people...

Why shouldn't he? He should've know those Muslims were up to no good. And why shouldn't we nuke Iran? They're just begging to be nuked right now. A fallout that far would NEVER affect the US in any way, so why bother even thinking about it?


Sure, why should we start thinking now? We've gotten this far without it.

We musn't forget the force field. Or the series of Jeffery Tubes that only Americans can access. Or the +5 mace.

:D


That's the +5 mace of damn furriner smiting, thank you very much.

nixon, if only because he's dead. the SOB should have been thrown in jail, same as bush, but he at least could pass an IQ test, which is more than we can say for mr. bush.
Also, Nixon started the food stamps, didnt he? all bush started was a war.

That's the +5 mace of damn furriner smiting, thank you very much.

*bows*

As Lunatic Goofballs said, it's a choice between a competent megalomaniac and an incompetent megalomaniac, although I would also add that the competent megalomaniac never had a cult of personality that was willing to excuse everything he did. As many of the things Nixon did were of value, he was not married to fundamentalists who would replace natural rights with theology, and it's been proven that we can remove that bum, I vote Nixon all the way.

Comparing Nixon to Bush - one of the few ways you can trick liberals to praise our 37th president.

Nixon: He helped end war, rather than create one. Probabaly higher morals than Bush too.

A choice between two Republicans... how fun....

As Lunatic Goofballs said, it's a choice between a competent megalomaniac and an incompetent megalomaniac, although I would also add that the competent megalomaniac never had a cult of personality that was willing to excuse everything he did. As many of the things Nixon did were of value, he was not married to fundamentalists who would replace natural rights with theology, and it's been proven that we can remove that bum, I vote Nixon all the way.
Yep--give me a race-baiter over a psycho fundamentalist any day.

Comparing Nixon to Bush - one of the few ways you can trick liberals to praise our 37th president.
The lesser of two weevils, an' all that crap.

Wasn't Nixon way more liberal than Bush or Kerry? Being that he was before Thatcherism/Reaganism/neoliberalism?

The lesser of two weevils, an' all that crap.


Why vote for the lesser of two evils?



VOTE CTHULHU!

Wasn't Nixon way more liberal than Bush or Kerry? Being that he was before Thatcherism/Reaganism/neoliberalism?

Liberal in what sense?

Nixon was one of Senator Joe's boys during the 50s.....

Liberal in what sense?

Nixon was one of Senator Joe's boys during the 50s.....
Yeah, but he wasn't out to starve old people and throw them in the streets. Which really isn't saying much.

Yeah, but he wasn't out to starve old people and throw them in the streets. Which really isn't saying much.
Nixon'd be jealous as all get-out. Bush has pulled off all the shit ol' Richard M. ever wanted and more.

Bush. He may not be doing the best job, but at least he is IMHO honest.

Oh, and most evil American politician of the late 20th century is Joseph McCarthy. **** traitor.

Let's compare and contrast:

Nixon: Inherited a war that had already been badly fought.
Bush: Started a war that has been badly fought, and is leaving it to his sucessor to clean up the mess.

Nixon: Didn't lie to get the US into a war (LBJ had already done that).
Bush: Knowingly used bad intelligence to get the US into a war.

Nixon: Ended an unpopular war.
Bush: Started an unpopular war.

Nixon: Ordered illegal wiretaps.
Bush: Ordered illegal wiretaps.

Nixon: Cut discretionary spending 16% in his first 5 years in office.
Bush: Raised nondefense discretionary spending by a humongous 37% in his first 5 years in office.

Nixion: Created the EPA.
Bush: Cut regulation of oil companies.

The list can go on and on.

My question would be--does either of them have an oppositional Congress to deal with? That's the only reason Nixon was eventually stopped. If Bush had had to deal with the Congresses Nixon did, he'd have been gone, impeached, over a year ago.

Nah, the attempt to remove nixon had fuck all to do with his buggering up the world. It was simply the fact that he broke the rules of party politics.

And by the same token, we should be investigating LBJ.

Nixon had the decency to resign.

Nah, the attempt to remove nixon had fuck all to do with his buggering up the world. It was simply the fact that he broke the rules of party politics.

And by the same token, we should be investigating LBJ.
Absolutely--LBJ was a dirtbag among dirtbags. I may have liked his Great Society ideas and the lead he took in the space program after JFK went down (Another who had some ethical issues), but that doesnt change the shit he pulled to get us into and stuck in Vietnam.

Nixon had the decency to resign.
Don't give him too much credit for that. He was going to be the first president ever removed from office and he knew it. He left to try to salvage some of his rep, and it worked to a certain extent.

Absolutely--LBJ was a dirtbag among dirtbags. I may have liked his Great Society ideas and the lead he took in the space program after JFK went down (Another who had some ethical issues), but that doesnt change the shit he pulled to get us into and stuck in Vietnam.

Hmm.

One day, normal people will put partisan politics aside and stop making excuses for people they despise.

HAHAHA, that'll never happen.

Some Dalek dude is already making a living on the basis "teh LBJ iz teh AW3Z0M3".

Face it, america is dead as a society.

Hmm.

One day, normal people will put partisan politics aside and stop making excuses for people they despise.

HAHAHA, that'll never happen.

Some Dalek dude is already making a living on the basis "teh LBJ iz teh AW3Z0M3".

Face it, america is dead as a society.
I try not to make excuses for them. I vote for them because I feel it's my duty, and I choose my candidates based on which one I think will fuck me a little more gently, but I never lose the knowledge that I'm getting fucked no matter what.

I try not to make excuses for them. I vote for them because I feel it's my duty, and I choose my candidates based on which one I think will fuck me a little more gently, but I never lose the knowledge that I'm getting fucked no matter what.

Marry me Nazz.

I <3 your politics.

And given that I live in NYC, you should understand why I vote republican.

I try not to make excuses for them. I vote for them because I feel it's my duty, and I choose my candidates based on which one I think will fuck me a little more gently, but I never lose the knowledge that I'm getting fucked no matter what.
[Enter self-depreciating gay joke here]

Don't give him too much credit for that. He was going to be the first president ever removed from office and he knew it. He left to try to salvage some of his rep, and it worked to a certain extent.


True, but he still resigned. And he wasn't as shitty on the environment as Bush.

True, but he still resigned. And he wasn't as shitty on the environment as Bush.
Don't get me wrong--policy wise, he's far and away better than Bush. And I'll even go this far--he had the chance to trigger a constitutional crisis and backed down. Bush has done far worse in my view, constitutionally speaking, but then again, he's had a Congress that has laid back and taken it from him and let him do what he wished.

And if he's not stressing these elections in November, he's a fool. All the Democrats need is one House of Congress, and subpoena power, and he's in deep shit. He may be the first president to ever try to pardon himself.

When Nixon ran for reelection he was absolutely beloved, only not managing to carry Massachusetts. While I don’t agree with the man politically on both economic and social issues, I have come to have some respect for him as I have learned more about him (for instance, the reasons behind his paranoia). I honestly believe he only did what he thought was best for the country (he was wrong, except on foreign policy), which is something I refuse to say about Bush, who seems to have only the interests of his friends in mind if anything at all.

Correction. Some Americans. Some of us have known it all along, but if we dare say so, we get called traitors.
I like the idea that its incorrect because oil prices haven't gone down. "It's not about oil because look how much the oil companies are making!"




What?

Comparing Nixon to Bush - one of the few ways you can trick liberals to praise our 37th president.
lol

Wheres the "kill self" option?

Although I have to admit, Nixon was the better president.

Both had atrocious foreign policies. Nixon had a solid domestic policy though. Bush's domestic policy is to have no domestic policy.

I'd vote Nixon if I couldn't abstain.

Vote Nixon, because corpses can't do crap.
You mean, they can't do much .... except beat John "Fraidy-Cat" Ashcroft in elections.
*nods*

Nixon, the lesser of two of the greatest evils of all time.

He had a BRAIN in his head. Evil bastard, Watergate got him good, but theres no comparison here.

You call this a choice?

Given the circumstances however, I would feel compelled to vote for Richard Milhous Nixon. Having seen that scumbag at his worst he still wasn't nearly as awful as George W. Bush, who is by far the most unforgivable, lying scumbag to ever occupy the office of President.

John W. Dean agrees with me, oddly enough. He considers Bush the worst of the two Presidents by far and away. Historians consider Bush 43 the worst President this country has ever had, and that's saying a lot as we have had some real scumbags from both parties in that office.

JC

Read your history. Nixon was far more incompetent than Bush was/is. I do agree that Bush is doing somethings that might not be right, but what would you do if you were elected and not 100 days into your presidency terrorists attacked US soil.

Back to Nixon; he was more of a flip-flopper than Bush OR Kerry put together. He would be for something one week and then do something that totally contradicted it the next. Also, his campaign was to get our men out of Vietnam. Did that happen? No... He planned a secret bombing in Cambodia which lengthened the war 4 more years. Sound familiar? That was in '69. In '70 he ordered troops into Cambodia. His argument was that it was to protect the US troops in the process of withdrawing from Vietnam. Also sound familiar?

Anyways. I don't vote for fairyland stuff. But you get my point.

Do I have to vote for one of 'em? I mean, both of them suck. Nixon was loved by almost every Christian in the country (until Watergate). Bush is loved by almost every Christian in the country, and he has done so much more, and so much more overtly. I dunno. Can I vote for a third party? Can I move? Can I kill both of them? Can I kill myself?

By the way, I believe that Bush is fully aware of what he is doing. He is doing it for a reason.

Nixon, the lesser of two of the greatest evils of all time.
Naw, I've seen lesser weevils. Nixon's a roly-poly weevil. But the Bush weevil is postively rotund by comparison.

Nixon, simply because he wouldn't be able to get away with half the shit that George Weapons-of-Mass-Deception Bush has pulled.

I vote:

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Nixon. The Lying Weasel actually signed off on some of the best environmental legislation the US has.

God, this is hard. I can't choose, both these Presidents were great, but I have to say Nixon is just a bit greater.

lol