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A brothel that has posted a large advertizement consisting of a partially naked woman and the flags of nations participating in the World Cup, including the flags of Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries has enraged, guess who? Yep, the Muslims. It seems that using the flags of Muslim nations on a banner bearing a picture of a semi-naked woman is an insult to Islam. Death threats have been issued. Knife-weilding lunatics have shown up at the brothel.

It seems everything is an insult to Islam. Well, Islam is officially now an insult to me. I demand that everyone stop practicing Islam or I will burn down some embassies.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4941788.stm

Any link?

It seems everything is an insult to Islam. Well, Islam is officially now an insult to me. I demand that everyone stop practicing Islam or I will burn down some embassies

Can I join in? Not because i'm particularly insulted or anything, I just want to burn stuff.

Any link?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4941788.stm

Sorry. I'm feeling half-retarded today.

Ah, but it fails to beat this story in the religion vs. poster wars.

A giant poster promoting The Da Vinci Code film is to be removed from a Rome church following complaints.

The Italian authorities are to take down the advert, which was put on scaffolding covering the Church of St Pantaleo while it underwent renovation.

The church's rector, Reverend Adolfo Garcia Duran, said the poster advertised "something that is against Christ and against the church".

The novel claims Christ's bloodline was covered up by the Catholic Church.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4943406.stm

:p

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4941788.stm

Sorry. I'm feeling half-retarded today.

Lol

Can I join in? Not because i'm particularly insulted or anything, I just want to burn stuff.

a good solid riot aimed at an embassy is always fun

Bloody typical

I hate this. Why do muslims think they own the world. If something I find is offencive to anyone else no one gives a danm

Oh but as soon as something they don't like happens....The whole arab world goes in up roar

If Muslims don't like whats going on in a country.....Then they can get out!

:upyours:

Anyway, I'm already ever so curious what the Religionists of Peace are gonna do THIS time.

Show them Burka wearin, not drinking, pork defying, ied building, farty pants sportin punks who dont get a joke... what was the topic again - compassionate conservatives?

I won't be surprised if legal action is initiated to get rid of that poster. FIFA goes nuts about anyone using the world cup for commercials if they aren't paying for it.

A bit of a stupid thing to do on the part of the brothel owner. I've no sympathy for them.

I'm sure I remember this happening with McDonalds World Cup meals a few years ago. The flags of participating countries were printed on the cups and sandwich boxes and Saudi Arabia was outraged that these were then 'discarded' in rubbish bins and the like.

The problem isn't with the flags of Muslim countries in general, it's with the fact that the Saudi flag has a verse from the Koran on it. Associating this holy text with the image of a prostitute is needlessly provocative.

Bloody typical

I hate this. Why do muslims think they own the world. If something I find is offencive to anyone else no one gives a danm

Oh but as soon as something they don't like happens....The whole arab world goes in up roar

If Muslims don't like whats going on in a country.....Then they can get out!

:upyours:There's a lot more than just 30 muslims living in Cologne. The fact that they didn't show up tells you just how important this issue probably is.

Oh no! We've insulted someone! We better give everyone a gigantic pain in the ass because these guys refuse to let things be.

A bit of a stupid thing to do on the part of the brothel owner. I've no sympathy for them.

I'm sure I remember this happening with McDonalds World Cup meals a few years ago. The flags of participating countries were printed on the cups and sandwich boxes and Saudi Arabia was outraged that these were then 'discarded' in rubbish bins and the like.

The problem isn't with the flags of Muslim countries in general, it's with the fact that the Saudi flag has a verse from the Koran on it. Associating this holy text with the image of a prostitute is needlessly provocative.

And maybe THEY need to show THEIR verses where the sun don't shine.

........
If Muslims don't like whats going on in a country.....Then they can get out!

:upyours:
If the West doesn't like what's going on in a country...They invade! :upyours:

Bloody typical

I hate this. Why do muslims think they own the world. If something I find is offencive to anyone else no one gives a danm

Oh but as soon as something they don't like happens....The whole arab world goes in up roar

If Muslims don't like whats going on in a country.....Then they can get out!

:upyours:

oh look, an islamophobe

you forgot this on your first post..... MUSLIMS :mp5:

What can I say, some people find offensive material everywhere. Flag burning, for example.

Those who made threats were criminal, however and should be found and prosecuted.

Appeasement is not my voice. We don't need to go out our way to make everyone happy. It's not possible, for one. And two, if you try to give a specific group 'equal rights' by elevating them higher than everyone else (Sorry, bias on another subject leaked in a bit there) you piss off another group that thinks they should be above everyone instead!

I'd be offended too if presented with a picture of a half-naked woman in a brothel. I mean, I paid to have her totally naked! And not a picture!

I've just thought of a wonderful product!


Toilet paper with the religious text of your choice printed right on it! Imagine, every roll you'll have a complete copy of the Bible, Koran, or Torah!

Plus there's some lovely irony in wiping your ass with Leviticus.

I'd be offended too if presented with a picture of a half-naked woman in a brothel. I mean, I paid to have her totally naked! And not a picture!Did you follow the link?

What can I say, some people find offensive material everywhere. Flag burning, for example.

but it was a righteous christian patriot acting good and justly when he attacked a guy i know because he was offended by the guy i know's slightly desecrated flag...

Did you follow the link?
Yeeees. Why?

Yeeees. Why?I'm wondering why your so disappointed then :D

I'm wondering why your so disappointed then :D
Because I don't even have a picture of a half-naked lady :(

A bit of a stupid thing to do on the part of the brothel owner. I've no sympathy for them.

I'm sure I remember this happening with McDonalds World Cup meals a few years ago. The flags of participating countries were printed on the cups and sandwich boxes and Saudi Arabia was outraged that these were then 'discarded' in rubbish bins and the like.

The problem isn't with the flags of Muslim countries in general, it's with the fact that the Saudi flag has a verse from the Koran on it. Associating this holy text with the image of a prostitute is needlessly provocative.

Yes, it's provocative, but we do not need to live in fear of offending one another. If the Saudi government wants to cut the hands of anyone who even looks at a copy of the Koran, then they're welcome to, as long as its within their borders. But they have no place nosing into other societies and countries, or into the global community, in order to uphold a religious belief (whether it be a reasonable religious belief or not). We have free speech in the West, and I for one will not be censored by anyone, Muslim or not, for being politically incorrect. It is ignorant for anyone to assume that their own religious beliefs are absolutes that apply to everyone on the entire planet.

but it was a righteous christian patriot acting good and justly when he attacked a guy i know because he was offended by the guy i know's slightly desecrated flag...
Well I find offense in your post!

You lumped Christian and patriot together as if to signify that only christian can be patriots! I demand you apologize and retract your statement immediately. If you don't I might be forced to wear a hood and send you a mail-in bomb.

:D

I've just thought of a wonderful product!


Toilet paper with the religious text of your choice printed right on it! Imagine, every roll you'll have a complete copy of the Bible, Koran, or Torah!

Plus there's some lovely irony in wiping your ass with Leviticus.

LOL. Thanks.

but it was a righteous christian patriot acting good and justly when he attacked a guy i know because he was offended by the guy i know's slightly desecrated flag...


Congratulations, you've pointed out a single incident that in no way characterizes an entire nation or people's response to an issue.

Now...back to the original issue...the immediate jump to death threats and other threats of violence by a large group of people over "desecration" is completely different.

Someone please tell the muslims that if they wish to be taken seriously on the world stage and be respected they have to give respect first and not threaten to slit everyone's throat when their religion is insulted. Christians get their religion mocked constantly and yes, some of them get mad about it and some even can be belligerent in their objections...but you don't see crowds of Christians burning flags and threatening people's lives.

It's called being civilized. It's all the rage in the West.

Congratulations, you've pointed out a single incident that in no way characterizes an entire nation or people's response to an issue.

Now...back to the original issue...the immediate jump to death threats and other threats of violence by a large group of people over "desecration" is completely different.

Someone please tell the muslims that if they wish to be taken seriously on the world stage and be respected they have to give respect first and not threaten to slit everyone's throat when their religion is insulted. Christians get their religion mocked constantly and yes, some of them get mad about it and some even can be belligerent in their objections...but you don't see crowds of Christians burning flags and threatening people's lives.

It's called being civilized. It's all the rage in the West.
I love how you accuse all Muslims of being uncivilized. For the record, all Muslims in the West typically disagree with the actions of their fellow Muslims in the Middle East, such as this protest.

Ah, but it fails to beat this story in the religion vs. poster wars.

Originally Posted by BBC News
A giant poster promoting The Da Vinci Code film is to be removed from a Rome church following complaints.

The Italian authorities are to take down the advert, which was put on scaffolding covering the Church of St Pantaleo while it underwent renovation.

The church's rector, Reverend Adolfo Garcia Duran, said the poster advertised "something that is against Christ and against the church".

The novel claims Christ's bloodline was covered up by the Catholic Church.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4943406.stm

:p

Ahh, but where are the knife-wielding Catholic lunatics? Where are the pointy sticks? Where are the threats of burning the poster and the church?

Compared to the Religion of Peace, Christians are wimps!

Congratulations, you've pointed out a single incident that in no way characterizes an entire nation or people's response to an issue.
So did you, by the way.

Now...back to the original issue...the immediate jump to death threats and other threats of violence by a large group of people over "desecration" is completely different.
30 is a large group for a protest?

Someone please tell the muslims that if they wish to be taken seriously on the world stage and be respected they have to give respect first and not threaten to slit everyone's throat when their religion is insulted. Christians get their religion mocked constantly and yes, some of them get mad about it and some even can be belligerent in their objections...but you don't see crowds of Christians burning flags and threatening people's lives.

It's called being civilized. It's all the rage in the West.
Please! Christian get offended all the time and some even utter death threats like Pat Robertson on the president of Venezuela. You don't see him silenced now, do you?

Not that I condone what these individuals did, mind you.

A brothel that has posted a large advertizement consisting of a partially naked woman and the flags of nations participating in the World Cup, including the flags of Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries has enraged, guess who? Yep, the Muslims. It seems that using the flags of Muslim nations on a banner bearing a picture of a semi-naked woman is an insult to Islam. Death threats have been issued. Knife-weilding lunatics have shown up at the brothel.

It seems everything is an insult to Islam. Well, Islam is officially now an insult to me. I demand that everyone stop practicing Islam or I will burn down some embassies.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4941788.stm


It is the given Right for all people to be the Warriors they are. I am a Pagan of the Northern Tribes of the Aryan Folk and it is out of Nature for man to repress the instinct to protect and defend his Tribe.

It is the given Right for all people to be the Warriors they are. I am a Pagan of the Northern Tribes of the Aryan Folk and it is out of Nature for man to repress the instinct to protect and defend his Tribe.
Don't you guys love these odd posts by random lurkers? They amuse me to no end.

I love how you accuse all Muslims of being uncivilized. For the record, all Muslims in the West typically disagree with the actions of their fellow Muslims in the Middle East, such as this protest.

In no part of my post did I say "all muslims". I suppose if you want to take it that far you can. I was referring to the groups who throw tantrums every time something happens they don't like. No, that does not mean "all muslims".

Aryan? You're from India? If not stop using the word incorrectly.

Congratulations, you've pointed out a single incident that in no way characterizes an entire nation or people's response to an issue.

Now...back to the original issue...the immediate jump to death threats and other threats of violence by a large group of people over "desecration" is completely different.

Someone please tell the muslims that if they wish to be taken seriously on the world stage and be respected they have to give respect first and not threaten to slit everyone's throat when their religion is insulted. Christians get their religion mocked constantly and yes, some of them get mad about it and some even can be belligerent in their objections...but you don't see crowds of Christians burning flags and threatening people's lives.

It's called being civilized. It's all the rage in the West.30 Muslims aren't all that representative of Cologne's Muslim community. It isn't a relatively large group of people.

It is the given Right for all people to be the Warriors they are. I am a Pagan of the Northern Tribes of the Aryan Folk and it is out of Nature for man to repress the instinct to protect and defend his Tribe.You still live in a tribe?

In no part of my post did I say "all muslims". I suppose if you want to take it that far you can. I was referring to the groups who throw tantrums every time something happens they don't like. No, that does not mean "all muslims".
Okay. Just making sure you weren't commiting the same mistake you accused the other poster of.

I love how you accuse all Muslims of being uncivilized. For the record, all Muslims in the West typically disagree with the actions of their fellow Muslims in the Middle East, such as this protest.

Ahem. My Dad argues this, so I'm fairly proficient with it. They may disagree, but they're not doing anything about it. Compare it to the KKK, and assume you're not a member. You may not agree with their views, but if you're not trying to stop them, you are essentially increasing the problem! You are letting these people debase something that you stand for, and by not actively halting it, you're essentially giving your approval of its existence. These guys let the terrorists debase Islam, and the KKK is debasing white Christians. I for one, won't stand for either.

Someone please tell the muslims....



What, all of them?

What, all of them?

I would assume.

What, all of them?

I already addressed this and clarified.

Ahem. My Dad argues this, so I'm fairly proficient with it. They may disagree, but they're not doing anything about it. Compare it to the KKK, and assume you're not a member. You may not agree with their views, but if you're not trying to stop them, you are essentially increasing the problem! You are letting these people debase something that you stand for, and by not actively halting it, you're essentially giving your approval of its existence. These guys let the terrorists debase Islam, and the KKK is debasing white Christians. I for one, won't stand for either.
You've got a point there. I agree.

In no part of my post did I say "all muslims". I suppose if you want to take it that far you can. I was referring to the groups who throw tantrums every time something happens they don't like. No, that does not mean "all muslims".


Actually, you did infer from your language that you were talking about all muslims, and I suspect you meant it.

Ahem. My Dad argues this, so I'm fairly proficient with it. They may disagree, but they're not doing anything about it. Compare it to the KKK, and assume you're not a member. You may not agree with their views, but if you're not trying to stop them, you are essentially increasing the problem! You are letting these people debase something that you stand for, and by not actively halting it, you're essentially giving your approval of its existence. These guys let the terrorists debase Islam, and the KKK is debasing white Christians. I for one, won't stand for either.
Good thing that these kinds of action are denounced by most Imans in the west. They even denounced the embassy burning in a Islamic journal in Turkey. But you just don't hear about it in the media. You have to turn to page 34 for a blurb about a coalition of clerics denouncing these actions and urging people to remain calm.

Ahh, but where are the knife-wielding Catholic lunatics? Where are the pointy sticks? Where are the threats of burning the poster and the church?

Compared to the Religion of Peace, Christians are wimps!

What about the Christians in America who blow up abortion clinics and kill the doctors there because they're ironically "pro-life".

It'd be about as fair to say that all Christians are like that as it is to say that all Muslims are like the ones who threatened the brothel's owner.

It is the given Right for all people to be the Warriors they are. I am a Pagan of the Northern Tribes of the Aryan Folk and it is out of Nature for man to repress the instinct to protect and defend his Tribe.
Shouldn't you be out burning a cross then? Or maybe beating up some mud people?

personally i think they are making a lot of fuss about nothing i mean was the poster actually intended to insult or discredit the muslim community no it was just a poster showing the flags of the countries competing in the world cup! It's not aimed directly at muslims!

30 people is sure a large group of Muslims. At least, compared to their total worldwide number of over a billion. Anyone can see this.

It's definitely a large enough group to make a judgement about the entire religion.

It warms my heart that people never forget to do so. Those barbarian Muslims! "Religion of Peace" my ass! Etc etc etc. Thank God for you, where would we civilized people be without bigots?

It is the given Right for all people to be the Warriors they are. I am a Pagan of the Northern Tribes of the Aryan Folk and it is out of Nature for man to repress the instinct to protect and defend his Tribe.
That doesn't mean they have to act like schmucks to do so. Or that they have to consider every little thing a threat.

It's called being civilized. It's all the rage in the West.
only after a thousand years of some of the most barbaric culture the world has ever seen, including the Inquisition. I would be the last to defend islamic hysteria simply because 'christians already dunnit', but it is worth noting that most islamic states are following the same cultural evolution followed by Western states, just 500 years late. Unfortunately, they also have the ability to spread through the entire world during this process. So in about 500 years, and a few nuclear blasts later, we should all be living happily together.

These damned muslims are getting on my tit big time now. They think that they can complain about every bloody thing. If they can't be satisfied jump off a bridge. They have the cheek to protest about the standards of countrys that they are living in when half the protesters are ileagle imigrants. If they aren't happy piss off to your own country and live in isolation where you can't be insulted by everything that is done! Shoot them than they can't complain!:sniper:

These damned muslims are getting on my tit
They're doing WHAT?!

It is the given Right for all people to be the Warriors they are. I am a Pagan of the Northern Tribes of the Aryan Folk and it is out of Nature for man to repress the instinct to protect and defend his Tribe.

:D
best lurker post of the year

:D
best lurker post of the yearYou sure that wouldn't entail for a "Bi-monthly Nazi" award?

These damned muslims are getting on my tit big time now. They think that they can complain about every bloody thing. If they can't be satisfied jump of a bridge. They have the cheek to protest about the standards of countrys that they are living in when half the protesters are ileagle imigrants. If they aren't happy piss off to your own country and live in isolation where you can't be insulted by everything that is done! Shoot them than they can't complain!:sniper:

How's about you can fuck off and die.

They might get uppity over social issues, but I bet that if someone wrote on a big banner "Christ is a wanker and he shagged his mum", then Fundamental Christians would complain, especially if it was someone from a country like Iran who did it, as a lot of western countries view Iran as evil or whatever, just as a fundamental Persian Muslim might well compain about, say, a Danish cartoon portraying Muhammed (sacreligious in itself) as a suicide bomber (to add to the insult).

They're doing WHAT?!
Getting on my nerves.

You sure that wouldn't entail for a "Bi-monthly Nazi" award?
You know, the Pagan bit makes it doubtful he meant Aryan as in Nazi. He might have actually meant it for what it really is, as any religion the Aryans practice would probably be considered a form of Paganism.

A brothel that has posted a large advertizement consisting of a partially naked woman and the flags of nations participating in the World Cup, including the flags of Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries has enraged, guess who? Yep, the Muslims. It seems that using the flags of Muslim nations on a banner bearing a picture of a semi-naked woman is an insult to Islam. Death threats have been issued. Knife-weilding lunatics have shown up at the brothel.

It seems everything is an insult to Islam. Well, Islam is officially now an insult to me. I demand that everyone stop practicing Islam or I will burn down some embassies.
ROFLMFAO! Need sum help wid dat? :D

Eh, much of America is just as puritannical about nudity.

How's about you can fuck off and die.

They might get uppity over social issues, but I bet that if someone wrote on a big banner "Christ is a wanker and he shagged his mum", then Fundamental Christians would complain, especially if it was someone from a country like Iran who did it, as a lot of western countries view Iran as evil or whatever, just as a fundamental Persian Muslim might well compain about, say, a Danish cartoon portraying Muhammed (sacreligious in itself) as a suicide bomber (to add to the insult).
I am a Christian and if that were to happen I would not be insulted but amused at the stupidity and ignorance of the people that had made that coment.

You know, the Pagan bit makes it doubtful he meant Aryan as in Nazi. He might have actually meant it for what it really is, as any religion the Aryans practice would probably be considered a form of Paganism.Look at his flag to destroy your doubts. ;)

You sure that wouldn't entail for a "Bi-monthly Nazi" award?
come on sarcasm from a newbie is always funny

These damned muslims are getting on my tit big time now. They think that they can complain about every bloody thing. If they can't be satisfied jump of a bridge. They have the cheek to protest about the standards of countrys that they are living in when half the protesters are ileagle imigrants. If they aren't happy piss off to your own country and live in isolation where you can't be insulted by everything that is done! Shoot them than they can't complain!:sniper:I am in awe of your ability to commingle issues, jump to conclusions, refuse to read any of the prior posts in this thread and generally ignore reality. You da man.

Following in your model of clear logic. I'm ever so tired of those damned Christians constantly complaining about gays and liberals and women wearing pants. It's not their country dammit, they should all just leave. Or better yet, the rest of us should kill them all, that'd shut them up.

come on sarcasm from a newbie is always funnyI have my reasons for doubting he was being sarcastic.

Getting on my nerves.
Thank you for not laughing at a joke. We'll be sure to charge you extra for the next one.

Laerod: I declare that to be a complete utter coincidence and disavow any possibility I made have been mistaken.

I am a Christian and if that were to happen I would not be insulted but amused at the stupidity and ignorance of the people that had made that coment.

Yeah, but that doesn't give a representative view of, say, a fundamentalist Catholic from the Bible Belt's views on the matter, does it?

I have my reasons for doubting he was being sarcastic.
..... I hope he was :confused:
Its so hard to tell these days

Yeah, but that doesn't give a representative view of, say, a fundamentalist Catholic from the Bible Belt's views on the matter, does it?

Uhm. The Bible Belt is not primarily Catholic. They tend to look down on them.

Laerod: I declare that to be a complete utter coincidence and disavow any possibility I made have been mistaken.Please don't mention coincidences to me, my belief in them has been soundly shattered :D

Yeah, but that doesn't give a representative view of, say, a fundamentalist Catholic from the Bible Belt's views on the matter, does it?
I am an anglican practising christian and you will find that the anglican christians are sensible and don't go round complaining at any little thing. The things that christians complain about are ignored in UK which really annoys me as the muslims are not.

Please don't mention coincidences to me, my belief in them has been soundly shattered :D
Anyone trained in the Force knows there are no true coincidences. ~Darth Traya

I mean, how's this for retarded? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4088757.stm) :rolleyes:

I mean, how's this for retarded? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4088757.stm) :rolleyes:

True but where are the threats of violence?

I mean, how's this for retarded? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4088757.stm) :rolleyes:
People look for excuses to sue. What can one say?

The reality is that getting "offended" by images is just more fun than praying five times a day and covering up women.

I mean, how's this for retarded? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4088757.stm) :rolleyes:
Parent: Oooh, a way to make money off of an international conglomerate! SCORE!
Lawyer: Yeahsurewhatever, just remember to pay me my ridiculously stupid amount of money.

I mean, how's this for retarded? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4088757.stm) :rolleyes:
:D Oh America you are a continuous source of entertainment

I mean, how's this for retarded? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4088757.stm) :rolleyes:Hey, she didn't approach walmart with 29 friends wearing hoods, so it's not really comparable, is it? :p

:D Oh America you are a continuous source of entertainment
Not just america lol
http://www.courttv.com/news/2005/1110/harriton_ctv.html

Silly australians

Hey, she didn't approach walmart with 29 friends wearing hoods, so it's not really comparable, is it? :p
In terms of cultural backwardness, it is a mere difference of degree, not of kind.

I am an anglican practising christian and you will find that the anglican christians are sensible and don't go round complaining at any little thing. The things that christians complain about are ignored in UK which really annoys me as the muslims are not.

That's because the media likes to portray Muslims as irresponsible firebrands, who are willing to fight for seemingly meaningless causes. Christianity is more... "respected", I suppose, than Islam, so its complaints are ignored so that the press doesn't have a go at them.

And as I previously said, I don't care about the more moderate Christian views on what I said, just as the media doesn't care about moderate Muslim views. I'd like to know what a fundamentalist Catholic would think about the comment, because it's about as reasonable to show fundamentalist Catholic views and say that it's what all Christians think as it is to say that the fundamentalist Muslim views are what all Muslims think.

Eh, much of America is just as puritannical about nudity.
Well much of America and much of Islam both suck.

True but where are the threats of violence?

There's no need to make threats of violence when you can sic a lawyer on someone. ;)

In terms of cultural backwardness, it is a mere difference of degree, not of kind.
Why shouldnt difference of degree count?

I think the more extreme Muslims are just looking for reasons to strap bombs to their chests. I guess that is an easy way to keep down the overpopulation on the planet.

I mean, how's this for retarded? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4088757.stm) :rolleyes:
( shrug ) At least they're only suing, and not strapping plastic explosive to their bodies and blowing themselves up in WalMart stores. :p

True but where are the threats of violence?
Once Muslims discover the power of the out-of-court settlement they'll forget violence.

Why shouldnt difference of degree count?
If people need it to reassure themselves of their cultural supremacy, then by all means. But it doesn't mean shit to someone who observes, points and laughs at all fools equally.

Eh, much of America is just as puritannical about nudity.

I guess you missed the multi-billion dollar porn industry. There are few places where you can't find a "dirty" movie or a mag.....

I think they more extreme Muslims are just looking for reasons to strap bombs to their chests. I guess that is an easy way to keep down the overpopulation on the planet.
This is probably unfounded, but I heard from a friend that extremists as such believe that if they do blow people up like that, they get massive rewards in Heaven or whatever. Could that be incentive to help back this up? ^^^

There's no need to make threats of violence when you can sic a lawyer on someone. ;)
First, it was "sucide by cop," now it's "suicide by litigation!" :D

( shrug ) At least they're only suing, and not strapping plastic explosive to their bodies and blowing themselves up in WalMart stores. :p
Yeah, it's not like they shoot doctors or anything. Outmoded treatment of women, tsk. :D

If people need it to reassure themselves of their cultural supremacy, then by all means. But it doesn't mean shit to someone who observes, points and laughs at all fools equally.
Its rather pointless if one refuses to attempt to differentiate between a more dangerous fool from the less dangerous fool.

If people need it to reassure themselves of their cultural supremacy, then by all means. But it doesn't mean shit to someone who observes, points and laughs at all fools equally.

So it's better to use violence?

The reality is that getting "offended" by images is just more fun than praying five times a day and covering up women.
Why can't there be a religion that requires nudity, and sex at least twice per day?

First, it was "sucide by cop," now it's "suicide by litigation!" :D
"Litigation Jackson 3: Walmart, I'm aiming at you!"

Not just america lol
http://www.courttv.com/news/2005/1110/harriton_ctv.html

Silly australians
........ damn
touche

Its rather pointless if one refuses to attempt to differentiate between a more dangerous fool from the less dangerous fool.
Really? But the defence budgets... :confused:

I mean, how's this for retarded? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4088757.stm) :rolleyes:
Some people need some obscenity in their lives. I fucking hate people who try to sanitize everything, including music, art, and thread titles.

Why can't there be a religion that requires nudity, and sex at least twice per day?I thought you hated hippie anti-war protesters... :p

This is probably unfounded, but I heard from a friend that extremists as such believe that if they do blow people up like that, they get massive rewards in Heaven or whatever. Could that be incentive to help back this up? ^^^

Since I am agonistic, I have no real incentive if someone told me that =P

........ damn
touche
We can laugh at each other WITH each other. Everybody wins!

"Litigation Jackson 3: Walmart, I'm aiming at you!"
LOL! :D

........ damn
touche
:) ;) No worries

Yeah, it's not like they shoot doctors or anything. Outmoded treatment of women, tsk. :D
Name five "christians" who have shot doctors. :p

"Outmoded" is in the eye of the beholder. "Oppression" is not. :p

Why can't there be a religion that requires nudity, and sex at least twice per day?

As someone who was in your nation's military, you ought to be able to think of a reason...

Once Muslims discover the power of the out-of-court settlement they'll forget violence.
oh, how law school is going to pay off...

*switches specialisation*

We can laugh at each other WITH each other. Everybody wins!
Ill agree to that

Really? But the defence budgets... :confused:
What sort of arithmetic are you using? Muslim fanatics = stupid Christian at a WalMart = large defense budgets? THese are all different problems, to be confronted differently. It's a lot more convenient to talk about "fools" as individuals and not as entire cultures because no culture is homogenously foolish or homogenously clever.

I thought you hated hippie anti-war protesters... :p
Heh! Not at all ( especially if they're female! ). :D

Not just america lol
http://www.courttv.com/news/2005/1110/harriton_ctv.html

Silly australians

That's nothing. Remember the immortal words!

"A dingo’s got my baby!"

Movie lore changed it to "A dingo ate my baby"

As someone who was in your nation's military, you ought to be able to think of a reason...
Well, there are exceptions to every rule! :p

That's nothing. Remember the immortal words!

"A dingo’s got my baby!"

Movie lore changed it to "A dingo ate my baby"
And we hear it in the nerd world as: A Kobold ate my baby

I think the more extreme Muslims are just looking for reasons to strap bombs to their chests. I guess that is an easy way to keep down the overpopulation on the planet.

You're possibly quite retarded. That kind of view is exactly what pisses me off. Where did you parrot that from, by the way?

FOX?

Funny thing is, way back in the days, when islam just started spreading through the Middle-east, the muslims were in many cases welcomed by the local population because their sharia laws were much fairer and more reasonable than what they experienced under the pre-islam warlords.

Unfortunately, in the Quran is what is considered to be the final and undisputable words of God to man (by muslims, obviously), so they couldn't really be amended over the years. And it is a very important aspect of Islam that what was told to Muhammad was God's Final Commands to humanity, and shouldn't be tampered with by humans. If you have what you believe to be direct commands from the Allmighty and Allknowing Lord in the Sky, you shouldn't change the parts you don't like.

Never mind that Muhammad himself didn't actually write the Quran. People who had heard him speak, and memorized his words, did.

This isn't meant as a defense for muslims; they can defend themselves. But it tickles my musing bone that sharia at one time was considered liberal, in a way.

You're possibly quite retarded. That kind of view is exactly what pisses me off. Where did you parrot that from, by the way?

FOX?

You take the internet too seriously, you lose.

But seriously, think about it. If people aren't killing each other or themselves, eventually everyone and everything will die from the massive overpopulation. It's sort of nature's futuristic way of keeping things level.

What sort of arithmetic are you using? Muslim fanatics = stupid Christian at a WalMart = large defense budgets? THese are all different problems, to be confronted differently. It's a lot more convenient to talk about "fools" as individuals and not as entire cultures because no culture is homogenously foolish or homogenously clever.
The point the original poster was making didn't really come across that way. I'm just putting up a mirror. The same values, reflected. I'm not saying they are correct. I am merely giving people the opportunity to view them in a different context. The context of their own culture, where the kinds of value judgements so easily made about a foreign one, suddenly become uncomfortable. ;)

For educational value, it sure beats locking a thread and saying "Don't troll." Share in the experience. :fluffle:

You take the internet too seriously, you lose.

But seriously, think about it. If people aren't killing each other or themselves, eventually everyone and everything will die from the massive overpopulation. It's sort of nature's futuristic way of keeping things level.

Possibly encouraging (but not forcing) birth control and family planning in the poorer regions of the world would be a good idea, but sadly most of the places which are overpopulated are quite religious (in Africa, for example), which prevents this happening.

Possibly encouraging (but not forcing) birth control and family planning in the poorer regions of the world would be a good idea, but sadly most of the places which are overpopulated are quite religious (in Africa, for example), which prevents this happening.

And so you're asking the US to dump more money into countries that hate them/will hate them/have hated them.

Excellent idea, fund more rebellious little nations =P

Besides, your proposal, however good, isn't happening and probably won't, so why go on wishing it? Wish in one hand and $&#@ in the other, tell me what you get more of, lol

Name five "christians" who have shot doctors. :p

"Outmoded" is in the eye of the beholder. "Oppression" is not. :p

How about a Christian who committed the greatest act of terror in this century aside from 9/11?

How about the actions of the KKK? How about the declarations by Pat Robertson? The point is that if we try to only look at the extremists for any religion we are doing a disservice to all of mankind and to religious faith in general.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_viol.htm

Church arsons aren't performed by Muslims or Arabs. I think the interesting point is that while we have some much widespread hate and violence here at home we are so quick to jump all over any sign of Arabs involved in hate and/or violence. What ever happened to the plank in one's own eye?

The point the original poster was making didn't really come across that way. I'm just putting up a mirror. The same values, reflected. I'm not saying they are correct. I am merely giving people the opportunity to view them in a different context. The context of their own culture, where the kinds of value judgements so easily made about a foreign one, suddenly become uncomfortable. ;)

For educational value, it sure beats locking a thread and saying "Don't troll." Share in the experience. :fluffle:
Fair enough.:)

i say we just leave them alone. if you leave them alone and they'll leave you alone. tolerance is the key. besides, there is no right or wrong when the issue is about religion. some people has their beliefs, some people don't, but fundamentally, every religion is teaching us not to be cruel, spiteful, etc.

if the world tolerated a bit more, Miss World hopefuls would finally be able to come clean and not wish for 'world peace'.. instead go for something like 'brad pitt' or 'a new prada bag'. ;)

ps: its the extremists that want to :mp5: innocent people, not muslims. they're just nuts. but i suspect that they wouldn't be if the west hadn't been exploiting the east. :cool:

And so you're asking the US to dump more money into countries that hate them/will hate them/have hated them.

Excellent idea, fund more rebellious little nations =P

Besides, your proposal, however good, isn't happening and probably won't, so why go on wishing it? Wish in one hand and $&#@ in the other, tell me what you get more of, lol

For fuck's sake, when did I put "Americans" into the sentence about putting birth control into many countries. Don't let your anti-anti-Americanism "blind you", as I'm so frequently told (but without the first anti, obviously). Read what I said.

And everyone hates the US, maybe a way to get some respect back would be to help other nations out, rather than bombing them/encouraging coups/removing all of your foreign aid to their country and forcing democracy on them.

A brothel that has posted a large advertizement consisting of a partially naked woman and the flags of nations participating in the World Cup, including the flags of Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries has enraged, guess who? Yep, the Muslims. It seems that using the flags of Muslim nations on a banner bearing a picture of a semi-naked woman is an insult to Islam. Death threats have been issued. Knife-weilding lunatics have shown up at the brothel.

It seems everything is an insult to Islam. Well, Islam is officially now an insult to me. I demand that everyone stop practicing Islam or I will burn down some embassies.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4941788.stm
I can see why it's offensive to them, but issuing death threats is just sick and... insane.

Name five "christians" who have shot doctors. :p

"Outmoded" is in the eye of the beholder. "Oppression" is not. :p

Ok
The person that murdered Dr. Patterson (never identified).
Paul Hill
Rachell Shannon
Michearl Griffen
James Kopp.

Some interesting reading about our own version of extremists
http://www.adl.org/poisoning_web/anti_abortion.asp
http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_viol.htm

For fuck's sake, when did I put "Americans" into the sentence about putting birth control into many countries. Don't let your anti-anti-Americanism "blind you", as I'm so frequently told (but without the first anti, obviously). Read what I said.

And everyone hates the US, maybe a way to get some respect back would be to help other nations out, rather than bombing them/encouraging coups/removing all of your foreign aid to their country and forcing democracy on them.

You don't know much about me or current world events and politics do you? =P

Firstly, I am about as anti-American as an American with no intentions to harm his government can get. On the rest of it, just--wow, do some more internet research and get back to me, until then, peace out...

(more important things to do than argue with an individual with an IQ rank between 40 and 50) ;)

How about a Christian who committed the greatest act of terror in this century aside from 9/11?

How about the actions of the KKK? How about the declarations by Pat Robertson? The point is that if we try to only look at the extremists for any religion we are doing a disservice to all of mankind and to religious faith in general.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_viol.htm

Church arsons aren't performed by Muslims or Arabs. I think the interesting point is that while we have some much widespread hate and violence here at home we are so quick to jump all over any sign of Arabs involved in hate and/or violence. What ever happened to the plank in one's own eye?
Sure, the KKK and Ol Pat are freaks, but they don't incite riots and they don't kill people over a bunch of stupid pictures.

Muslims aren't special. They should be insulted and ridiculed just like Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc.

And we hear it in the nerd world as: A Kobold ate my baby

I would never declare that I know what a kobold *coughscannonfoddercoughs* is! ;)

Ok
The person that murdered Dr. Patterson (never identified).
Paul Hill
Rachell Shannon
Michearl Griffen
James Kopp.

Some interesting reading about our own version of extremists
http://www.adl.org/poisoning_web/anti_abortion.asp
http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_viol.htm
But they're not real Christians.:rolleyes:

You don't know much about me or current world events and politics do you? =P

Firstly, I am about as anti-American as an American with no intentions to harm his government can get. On the rest of it, just--wow, do some more internet research and get back to me, until then, peace out...

(more important things to do than argue with an individual with an IQ rank between 40 and 50) ;)

Duh.... duhh... read my bloody posts, please. I said anti-anti American. That suggests that you will criticize people who don't like America without reading what I've even written, ok?

And if you added about 95 points to that IQ score then you'd be about right.

But they're not real Christians.:rolleyes:
What is a real Christian?

Heh, it amuses me that people start an interesting political discussion, then proceed to just argue with each other because someone mis-read something.

Learn to read, people! :headbang:

Heh, it amuses me that people start an interesting political discussion, then proceed to just argue with each other because someone mis-read something.

Learn to read, people! :headbang:

When the misreading of something actually affects the issue in question then it is fairly relevant. But yeah, sorry for being an arsehole, everyone.

Duh.... duhh... read my bloody posts, please. I said anti-anti American. That suggests that you will criticize people who don't like America without reading what I've even written, ok?

And if you added about 95 points to that IQ score then you'd be about right.

Where'd you learn to read? And don't make up something stupid like "Yale" because I know you're full of shit on your self-proclaimed IQ score. That's like, the oldest n00b crap you can pull on the internet.

"I have an IQ of 6048! HAAHA!"

Yeah, how about coming down to Earth a little for us? But, yeah, bye, got 60 hours to put in this week, can't waste my little free-time helping you get your idiot fix lol

And if you added about 95 points to that IQ score then you'd be about right.

What is it everybody claims to be a genius or close to it on sites such as this?

However, I make no such declaration. I know I am am an idiot and I claim the title of Village Idiot!

Where'd you learn to read? And don't make up something stupid like "Yale" because I know you're full of shit on your self-proclaimed IQ score. That's like, the oldest n00b crap you can pull on the internet.

"I have an IQ of 6048! HAAHA!"

Yeah, how about coming down to Earth a little for us? But, yeah, bye, got 60 hours to put in this week, can't waste my little free-time helping you get your idiot fix lol

Urmm Cirencester County Infant School.

And I'd actually prefer that you'd read what I said and give a response to my questions, rather than slagging me off.

*edits* @ Black Forrest

Because it makes people look like they know what they're talking about.

What is a real Christian?
I was being sarcastic. A real Christian is anyone who believes that Jesus was the son of god and was god made flesh at the same time. Just like a real Muslim is anyone who believes that the koran is the revealed word of god to the prophet Muhammad. That makes Christian clinic bombers and Al Qaeda members true Christians and Muslims respectively.

What is it everybody claims to be a genius or close to it on sites such as this?

However, I make no such declaration. I know I am am an idiot and I claim the title of Village Idiot!
I know! Intelligence doesn't make you a superior person, and bragging about it certainly doesn't!

What is it everybody claims to be a genius or close to it on sites such as this?

However, I make no such declaration. I know I am am an idiot and I claim the title of Village Idiot!
Finally!! We haven't had one since Bush got elected.

When the misreading of something actually affects the issue in question then it is fairly relevant. But yeah, sorry for being an arsehole, everyone.
I wasn't calling YOU an arse hole, heh. :fluffle:

What is a real Christian?

Your sarcasm detector is off. ;)

I was being sarcastic. A real Christian is anyone who believes that Jesus was the son of god and was god made flesh at the same time. Just like a real Muslim is anyone who believes that the koran is the revealed word of god to the prophet Muhammad. That makes Christian clinic bombers and Al Qaeda members true Christians and Muslims respectively.
I know you were being sarcastic, but I just wanted to know your personal opinion...which makes sense.

Your sarcasm detector is off. ;)
read above post;)

read above post;)

Hey!

I only type with two fingers. It takes time! :p

I know! Intelligence doesn't make you a superior person, and bragging about it certainly doesn't!

From my point of view, I'd just prefer not to be called mentally handicapped by somebody who's clearly never met me and also responds to sensible statements with insults regarding my intelligence and claims that they've got "better things to do" than to try and debate anything.

Maybe these idiots should just wear blindfolds to cover their sensitive, fragile little minds in cotton-wool...

From my point of view, I'd just prefer not to be called mentally handicapped by somebody who's clearly never met me and also responds to sensible statements with insults regarding my intelligence and claims that they've got "better things to do" than to try and debate anything.
Fair enough, but why inflate your own intelligence?

And now, back to those wacky Muslims. (you know which ones I'm talkin about)

It is the given Right for all people to be the Warriors they are. I am a Pagan of the Northern Tribes of the Aryan Folk and it is out of Nature for man to repress the instinct to protect and defend his Tribe.

Don't be silly.

Maybe these idiots should just wear blindfolds to cover their sensitive, fragile little minds in cotton-wool...
Or maybe they should go live in their dear little islamic/fascist nations if they don't like europe so much.

Don't be silly.
He just was.

Fair enough, but why inflate your own intelligence?

And now, back to those wacky Muslims. (you know which ones I'm talkin about)
These Muslims?
http://thatvideosite.com/view/1077.html

Or maybe they should go live in their dear little islamic/fascist nations if they don't like europe so much.
Indeed. If it is theocracies they want, they have them back home.

How about a Christian who committed the greatest act of terror in this century aside from 9/11?


Christians were behind the mumbai bombings? :eek:

Fair enough, but why inflate your own intelligence?

I wasn't inflating it...

And now, back to those wacky Muslims. (you know which ones I'm talkin about)

Their views are theirs. The same goes for any religion, really.

In no part of my post did I say "all muslims". I suppose if you want to take it that far you can. I was referring to the groups who throw tantrums every time something happens they don't like. No, that does not mean "all muslims".

The problem isn't your choice of words.

Your problem is that you insulted a religion other than Christianity.

These Muslims?
http://thatvideosite.com/view/1077.html
Ehh...I became too distracted by the babes on the ads on the side.

Indeed. If it is theocracies they want, they have them back home.
Right, it seems to me like they want the best of both worlds. They want the wealth of Europe, but at the same time the values and ideology of their own islamic countries.

Ehh...I became too distracted by the babes on the ads on the side.
They're not real local girls. I have pictures of one of them in a porno magazine.

I wasn't inflating it...

Their views are theirs. The same goes for any religion, really.
Well, this is the internet, and since I don't know you, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and admit that you're officially a genius.

I was referring to the muslims who were running around with knives. Not muslims in general.

Right, it seems to me like they want the best of both worlds. They want the wealth of Europe, but at the same time the values and ideology of their own islamic countries.
Then how about they reform them? The Emirates are a good example of a more liberal Islamic country. Or, they can conform to our way of life and our liberal values. Up to them. We are not going to establish theocracies just to please some radicals though. We are not about to return Europe to the Dark Ages.

They're not real local girls. I have pictures of one of them in a porno magazine.
Oh God!!! Is nothing in this world sacred?!!!

*has nervous breakdown*

Then how about they reform them? The Emirates are a good example of a more liberal Islamic country. Or, they can conform to our way of life and our liberal values. Up to them. We are not going to establish theocracies just to please some radicals though. We are not about to return Europe to the Dark Ages.
I fully agree. Except that it's not our job to reform other muslim countries, it's their own job. As for the freaks who incite violence and threaten people, they should all be deported.

I fully agree. Except that it's not our job to reform other muslim countries, it's their own job. As for the freaks who incite violence and threaten people, they should all be deported.
Agreed. If only the other Islamic countries followed the Emirates' lead. Europe should be the bastion of Capitalism and freedom, not a new Mecca.

They're not real local girls. I have pictures of one of them in a porno magazine.


People still use analog porno?

I fully agree. Except that it's not our job to reform other muslim countries, it's their own job. As for the freaks who incite violence and threaten people, they should all be deported.
Even when they're natives (in this case German)?

People still use analog porno?
Yeah. Many of us still jerk off manually too.

http://www.reason.com/hitandrun/2006/04/well_i_still_je.shtml

They're not real local girls. I have pictures of one of them in a porno magazine.

Lies, :(

Even when they're natives (in this case German)?
They have the right to protest. They should just realise the West will not bow to them. They will conform to the West, or be ignored.

Even when they're natives (in this case German)?
Absolutely. There should be no distinction between them and terrorists.

The same goes for anyone who wants to incite a riot or participates in one. Doesn't matter what race or religion they are.

They're not real local girls. I have pictures of one of them in a porno magazine.
I don't believe you. Link please?

No seriously, I want that link...

Lies, :(
Well, I guess they're local girls if you live near where they shoot porno. Does that make you feel better?

I don't believe you. Link please?

No seriously, I want that link...
Yeah, hold on for a second while I link to a printed magazine.

Absolutely. There should be no distinction between them and terrorists.

The same goes for anyone who wants to incite a riot or participates in one. Doesn't matter what race or religion they are.
They have the right to protest. If they vandalise, they will be punished accordingly. Hopefully they realise their efforts are in vain. The West will not lose.

Ok
The person that murdered Dr. Patterson (never identified).
Paul Hill
Rachell Shannon
Michearl Griffen
James Kopp.

Some interesting reading about our own version of extremists
http://www.adl.org/poisoning_web/anti_abortion.asp
http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_viol.htm

HAHA. Linked it first.

They have the right to protest. They should just realise the West will not bow to them. They will conform to the West, or be ignored.
I absolutely agree they should have the right to protest. I don't personally agree with them, but the freedom of expression and petition are some of the freedoms that make Western civilization so great. HOWEVER, they shouldn't be allowed to make signs that say things like "Death to the West" or "Europe, you're 9/11 is coming"

Well, I guess they're local girls if you live near where they shoot porno. Does that make you feel better?

A little.

But I am going to cling to my illusion that there are tonnes of hot local girls just like that only a mouse click away.

Sure, the KKK and Ol Pat are freaks, but they don't incite riots and they don't kill people over a bunch of stupid pictures.

Muslims aren't special. They should be insulted and ridiculed just like Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc.

Which KKK are you talking about? What about abortion clinic arsons? Chuch arsons? Your view on this subject appears to be conveniently narrow.

I absolutely agree they should have the right to protest. I don't personally agree with them, but the freedom of expression and petition are some of the freedoms that make Western civilization so great. HOWEVER, they shouldn't be allowed to make signs that say things like "Death to the West" or "Europe, you're 9/11 is coming"
They are ingrates. However, that isn't enough to deport them or silence them. Yet.

Congratulations, you've pointed out a single incident that in no way characterizes an entire nation or people's response to an issue.

Now...back to the original issue...the immediate jump to death threats and other threats of violence by a large group of people over "desecration" is completely different.

Someone please tell the muslims that if they wish to be taken seriously on the world stage and be respected they have to give respect first and not threaten to slit everyone's throat when their religion is insulted. Christians get their religion mocked constantly and yes, some of them get mad about it and some even can be belligerent in their objections...but you don't see crowds of Christians burning flags and threatening people's lives.

It's called being civilized. It's all the rage in the West.


LOL, I completely agree, being a Christian myself, I can understand, for example when the Mohammed cartoons were causing such a debacle I was all like 'well gee, people mock insult, and degrade my faith on a daily basis... do I blow people up for it?'

We need to be able to understand that people don't always believe what we do, and sometimes that might result in people not believeing in being civil, and they might slander what we believe, but shouldn't we excuse that as ignorance if our ways are apparently better? Can't militant Muslims just sit back and laugh thinking of all of our damnation when things like that happen? After all the militant ones seem to like the thought of our damnation enough...

ps, shouldn't Islam be very concerned with not killing bl[asphemers? I thought Allah wanted everyone to go to heaven? So if the Muslims kill infidels we can't repent or whatever Allah wants and we go to hell... what a lovely ideal of peace and love....

Absolutely. There should be no distinction between them and terrorists.

The same goes for anyone who wants to incite a riot or participates in one. Doesn't matter what race or religion they are.
so you advocate taking a german citizen with his full rights and take him to Saudi Arabia (as an example) because he happens to be muslim? Well, that's just wrong on so many levels.

Everyone that doesn't fit your little view of how civilization fit will be thrown out? That's just a new high on isolationism. Don't come complaining when they throw you out because you no longer fit their criteria.

Where'd you learn to read? And don't make up something stupid like "Yale" because I know you're full of shit on your self-proclaimed IQ score. That's like, the oldest n00b crap you can pull on the internet.

"I have an IQ of 6048! HAAHA!"

Yeah, how about coming down to Earth a little for us? But, yeah, bye, got 60 hours to put in this week, can't waste my little free-time helping you get your idiot fix lol

If ad hominems are a sign of a reasoned argument, then you have presented the most reasonable argument this thread has seen. Unfortunately, it's not and how about you cut the crap and make a point or stop posting.

Which KKK are you talking about? What about abortion clinic arsons? Chuch arsons? Your view on this subject appears to be conveniently narrow.
Look, I'm no fan of the KKK or Christianity in particular, but when was the last time someone killed an abortion doctor, and in any case, how often do these things happen and how widespread are they, compared to what muslim extremists are doing?

so you advocate taking a german citizen with his full rights and take him to Saudi Arabia (as an example) because he happens to be muslim? Well, that's just wrong on so many levels.

Everyone that doesn't fit your little view of how civilization fit will be thrown out? That's just a new high on isolationism. Don't come complaining when they throw you out because you no longer fit their criteria.
Completely contrary. I advocate taking a german citizen who advocates or participates in violence (regardless of race or religion) and putting them in jail. Or deporting them to any countries that will have them.

Yeah, hold on for a second while I link to a printed magazine.
I see two options then:
1- Link to the website of the magazine
2- Or scan the image to proove your point.

It's all the same to me as long as I get free porn.

Look, I'm no fan of the KKK or Christianity in particular, but when was the last time someone killed an abortion doctor, and in any case, how often do these things happen and how widespread are they, compared to what muslim extremists are doing?
Well I was seriously considering putting a doctor in the hospital on monday, but he was an eye doctor and I'm not Christian. Fucking 2:10 appointment and you don't get to see a doctor until after 3:30. People have schedules they need to stick to, you know?

so you advocate taking a german citizen with his full rights and take him to Saudi Arabia (as an example) because he happens to be muslim? Well, that's just wrong on so many levels.

Everyone that doesn't fit your little view of how civilization fit will be thrown out? That's just a new high on isolationism. Don't come complaining when they throw you out because you no longer fit their criteria.
It is indeed excessive. The freedom of speech still reigns, and these extremists have done little to incite violence or actively vandalise as of yet. They are idiots, whose opinions bear no merit, but still they have the right to express them, if only to demonstrate their manifest lack of cerebral matter.

Christians were behind the mumbai bombings? :eek:

I meant to say in the US. I forgot to add that bit. Thanks though, it does give a bit of perspective.

Completely contrary. I advocate taking a german citizen who advocates or participates in violence (regardless of race or religion) and putting them in jail. Or deporting them to any countries that will have them.
It depends on how far they go. Advocating violence is still not inciting it. If they go to the point of extremity though, they should be trialled.

I see two options then:
1- Link to the website of the magazine
2- Or scan the image to proove your point.

It's all the same to me as long as I get free porn.
option 1 won't help. It's an old issue. She won't be on their website.
Option 2 isn't going to happen while I'm at work.

Well I was seriously considering putting a doctor in the hospital on monday, but he was an eye doctor and I'm not Christian. Fucking 2:10 appointment and you don't get to see a doctor until after 3:30. People have schedules they need to stick to, you know?
Ha!

I have a great idea... Let's tell them if they reduce the price of oil we'll take the poster down...

It depends on how far they go. Advocating violence is still not inciting it. If they go to the point of extremity though, they should be trialled.
So who's to set the benchmarks? And besides, don't you agree that signs advocating violence are reason enough for punishment?

I have a great idea... Let's tell them if they reduce the price of oil we'll take the poster down...

lol, good idea

I have a great idea... Let's tell them if they reduce the price of oil we'll take the poster down...
You should rule the world.

Look, I'm no fan of the KKK or Christianity in particular, but when was the last time someone killed an abortion doctor, and in any case, how often do these things happen and how widespread are they, compared to what muslim extremists are doing?

Compared to what the Muslim extremists are doing in the US? I'm more scared of US extremists than of Muslims. If one simply looks at the last generation Muslims should not be our biggest fear for politically motivated violence.

I meant to say in the US. I forgot to add that bit. Thanks though, it does give a bit of perspective.

Despite what the government tells you, terrorism is really not a problem in the US.

9/11 and oklahoma were really bad of course, but there just isn't the day to day low level sectarian stuff that makes life unbearable.

Completely contrary. I advocate taking a german citizen who advocates or participates in violence (regardless of race or religion) and putting them in jail.
That I agree.

Or deporting them to any countries that will have them.
That, I don't. Deportation is not a valid way to deal with criminals. You are just exporting the problem somewhere else. We tried deporting before and it lead to all kkinds of problems. Israel for example was a solution for all the Jews that nobody wanted after WW2. See how good it turned out.

Anyways, we have basics human rights and I do not advocate sending a human in a region that uses torture and other barbaric methods just because they disagree with my views.

So who's to set the benchmarks? And besides, don't you agree that signs advocating violence are reason enough for punishment?
Only if they actually motivate people. These are still not quite enough.

What does phase me is the hypocrisy of such countries. They'd arrest an Historian who denies the Holocaust, but they refuse to even acknowledge how dangerous some of their new extremists are.

Compared to what the Muslim extremists are doing in the US? I'm more scared of US extremists than of Muslims. If one simply looks at the last generation Muslims should not be our biggest fear for politically motivated violence.
No, muslim extremists in Europe. Over here, there are about 1 million muslims, and I have no problem with them apart from the 50 or so that are terrorists. I think Europe's problem is one of integration and assimilation.

It is indeed excessive. The freedom of speech still reigns, and these extremists have done little to incite violence or actively vandalise as of yet. They are idiots, whose opinions bear no merit, but still they have the right to express them, if only to demonstrate their manifest lack of cerebral matter.
Agreed.

They are, of course crossing the line when their manifestation turns to death threats.

No, muslim extremists in Europe. Over here, there are about 1 million muslims, and I have no problem with them apart from the 50 or so that are terrorists. I think Europe's problem is one of integration and assimilation.
Precisely. Not only this, these extremists draw a hostile reaction and foment racism and xenophobia amongst native Europeans. This will allow the extreme Right (or even Left) to gain support once more in Europe. We do not need this.

That I agree.


That, I don't. Deportation is not a valid way to deal with criminals. You are just exporting the problem somewhere else. We tried deporting before and it lead to all kkinds of problems. Israel for example was a solution for all the Jews that nobody wanted after WW2. See how good it turned out.

Anyways, we have basics human rights and I do not advocate sending a human in a region that uses torture and other barbaric methods just because they disagree with my views.
Ok, so how about locking them away, and not deporting them?

Ok, so how about locking them away, and not deporting them?
Better solution. Personally, I'd love to deport them to Mars. Locking them up is a more humane solution though.

Precisely. Not only this, these extremists draw a hostile reaction and foment racism and xenophobia amongst native Europeans. This will allow the extreme Right (or even Left) to gain support once more in Europe. We do not need this.
This may actually be happening right now. I read in the NYT that in France the National Front gained quite a number of seats.

Despite what the government tells you, terrorism is really not a problem in the US.

9/11 and oklahoma were really bad of course, but there just isn't the day to day low level sectarian stuff that makes life unbearable.
Like in Iraq.

This may actually be happening right now. I read in the NYT that in France the National Front gained quite a number of seats.
So has the BNP in the UK. This will not bode well for the future. Extremism on both sides is unnerving. I am hoping the EU becomes more libertarian as time goes on, and not end up some fascist collection of nations.

Despite what the government tells you, terrorism is really not a problem in the US.

9/11 and oklahoma were really bad of course, but there just isn't the day to day low level sectarian stuff that makes life unbearable.

If 9/11 and Oklahoma were all the terrorism we suffer in the US, I would not even mention it. However, in the US, we are far more likely to be attacked by people spray-painting 'faggot' on a garage or burning down a church or assaulting a family planning clinic than the more major acts. It has been linked several times how many acts of terrorism are performed against abortion clinics. Unfortunately, the real terrorism that goes on in America is internal and rarely makes the news and NEVER gets mentioned by the President or Congress.

Ok, so how about locking them away, and not deporting them?
That'S better. Ideally, we should help them reform themselves and help them see the advantages of working withion the society instead of trying to destroy them. But I'm all for locking them while they pose a threat to society.

So has the BNP in the UK. This will not bode well for the future. Extremism on both sides is unnerving. I am hoping the EU becomes more libertarian as time goes on, and not end up some fascist collection of nations.
I think what's needed is more crime control in the muslim neigborhoods.

But Europe has its own problems that can't be fixed by the police or money, like racism. America has racism too, but not as much as Europe, so it doesn't impede the integration of muslims over here.

No, muslim extremists in Europe. Over here, there are about 1 million muslims, and I have no problem with them apart from the 50 or so that are terrorists. I think Europe's problem is one of integration and assimilation.

I was talking about US groups, where both Eut and DCD are from. The KKK is an American group that is responsible for much of the internal terrorism in US history yet never gets a nod in the "war on terror". Same with all 'Christian' groups. It's not a war on terror. It's a war on darkies.

That'S better. Ideally, we should help them reform themselves and help them see the advantages of working withion the society instead of trying to destroy them. But I'm all for locking them while they pose a threat to society.
Unless they were born in another country. Then, they can be deported. But if they were born in Europe then it's off to slammer.

I was talking about US groups, where both Eut and DCD are from. The KKK is an American group that is responsible for much of the internal terrorism in US history yet never gets a nod in the "war on terror". Same with all 'Christian' groups. It's not a war on terror. It's a war on darkies.
And brownies.

*mmm...brownies..*

I've just thought of a wonderful product!


Toilet paper with the religious text of your choice printed right on it! Imagine, every roll you'll have a complete copy of the Bible, Koran, or Torah!

Plus there's some lovely irony in wiping your ass with Leviticus.

Just a thought from a professing Christian: while I would not buy such a product, I certainly wouldn't try to prevent anyone else from doing so if that's how they wished to waste their money. That's a main difference between MOST Christians and most Muslims. Christians let God sort these things out, Muslims think they have to sort things out for God.

I think what's needed is more crime control in the muslim neigborhoods.

But Europe has its own problems that can't be fixed by the police or money, like racism. America has racism too, but not as much as Europe, so it doesn't impede the integration of muslims over here.
It is a huge mess. Not just racism (and this exists on both sides of the coin). Forced integration is a massive failure. Our governments are failing to integrate immigrants properly, and are becoming slack in their standards. Cheap labour is all they are after. They need to wake up.

Just a thought from a professing Christian: while I would not buy such a product, I certainly wouldn't try to prevent anyone else from doing so if that's how they wished to waste their money. That's a main difference between MOST Christians and most Muslims. Christians let God sort these things out, Muslims think they have to sort things out for God.
How about Christians that want to ban abortion?

Just a thought from a professing Christian: while I would not buy such a product, I certainly wouldn't try to prevent anyone else from doing so if that's how they wished to waste their money. That's a main difference between MOST Christians and most Muslims. Christians let God sort these things out, Muslims think they have to sort things out for God.
Yeah right

I would like to see where you get your claims of "most" from

They may not get as violent at times but the protests localy of the harry potter films localy let me know that christians (quite a few actualy here) are not content to let god sort it out. They just seem to love trying to get things banned and taken off of shelfs

I was talking about US groups, where both Eut and DCD are from. The KKK is an American group that is responsible for much of the internal terrorism in US history yet never gets a nod in the "war on terror". Same with all 'Christian' groups. It's not a war on terror. It's a war on darkies.
So black and hispanic Christians are incriminated, whereas white ones exonerated? I think it is a war of religions, but not colours in this instance.

How about Christians that want to ban abortion?
Or harry potter books
Or more latly the davinci code

Or old school D&D (I remember thoes protests)

Or pokimon cards

Or rock music

They have tried many funny things (at least some of them)

Or harry potter books
Or more latly the davinci code

Or old school D&D (I remember thoes protests)

Or pokimon cards

Or rock music

They have tried many funny things (at least some of them)
And failed. So will Islamic fundamentalists fail.

And failed. So will Islamic fundamentalists fail.
Hopefully ... I always like to see freedom win

And failed. So will Islamic fundamentalists fail.
You forgot one word: hopefully.

Hopefully ... I always like to see freedom win
You beat me to it.

Asshole.

You forgot one word: hopefully.
Why hope when certitude is guaranteed?

That's a main difference between MOST Christians and most Muslims. Christians let God sort these things out, Muslims think they have to sort things out for God.

No actually no. Many many Christians think they have to "save" the "moral" compass of the US.

How many examples of censorship have happened. Book banning? Movie banning?

How many corporations get harassment calls and email and threats of loss revenue because they have icky gay friendly policies.

What was the outrage when that hack Ellen came out?

and so on and so on.....

Why hope when certitude is guaranteed?
What makes you so sure?

You beat me to it.

Asshole.
Im quick what can I say :)

What makes you so sure?
The fact that Christian fundamentalists have thus so far failed. Islamic ones are even less liked. Both are doomed to failure. Hope is comfort for the weak.

No actually no. Many many Christians think they have to "save" the "moral" compass of the US.

How many examples of censorship have happened. Book banning? Movie banning?

How many corporations get harassment calls and email and threats of loss revenue because they have icky gay friendly policies.

What was the outrage when that hack Ellen came out?

and so on and so on.....
Ellen Degeneres?

Basically, you're correct, but Christians are less prone to violence than Muslims.

No actually no. Many many Christians think they have to "save" the "moral" compass of the US.

How many examples of censorship have happened. Book banning? Movie banning?

How many corporations get harassment calls and email and threats of loss revenue because they have icky gay friendly policies.

What was the outrage when that hack Ellen came out?

and so on and so on.....
Ha beat you to it :) :-P

Ellen Degeneres?

Basically, you're correct, but Christians are less prone to violence than Muslims.
People devoid of reason and fanatically devoted to a cause are capable of anything. That said, you are right.

Im quick what can I say :)
that you are:cool:

The fact that Christian fundamentalists have thus so far failed. Islamic ones are even less liked. Both are doomed to failure. Hope is comfort for the weak.
But christain fundies ruled europe north of 1000 years, and look how long it took to get them out. The muslim fundies might ultimately fail too, but how do you know that they won't get at least some of the things they want, thereby decreasing your own personal freedom?

But christain fundies ruled europe north of 1000 years, and look how long it took to get them out. The muslim fundies might ultimately fail too, but how do you know that they won't get at least some of the things they want, thereby decreasing your own personal freedom?
No. They ruled for around 500 at the most. The Church was not always a negative influence on Europe. It was both good and bad. It only became dangerous after the Crusades in actual fact.

Furthermore, back then the Church had few opposing powers. Now fundamentalist Islam and Christianity do.

No. They ruled for around 500 at the most. The Church was not always a negative influence on Europe. It was both good and bad. It only became dangerous after the Crusades in actual fact.

Furthermore, back then the Church had few opposing powers. Now fundamentalist Islam and Christianity do.
But many people could still die. And Europe is weakened because of an isolated, disgruntled segment of their population.

But many people could still die. And Europe is weakened because of an isolated, disgruntled segment of their population.
Exaggerations. The media knows how to sow dissent, that is for sure. Europe is at one of its peaks. It is more powerful than it has ever been, except perhaps for its Imperial Age. Europe suffers from some problems, but it is immensely powerful and more than able of resolving them. Those who die will be those who fail to realise what Europa Nova stands for. Their deaths will be their own doing.

Exaggerations. The media knows how to sow dissent, that is for sure. Europe is at one of its peaks. It is more powerful than it has ever been, except perhaps for its Imperial Age. Europe suffers from some problems, but it is immensely powerful and more than able of resolving them. Those who die will be those who fail to realise what Europa Nova stands for. Their deaths will be their own doing.
I certainly wish I had your optimism.

I certainly wish I had your optimism.
It's a state of mind. It's there for you to claim if you will it. :)

Where'd you learn to read? And don't make up something stupid like "Yale" because I know you're full of shit on your self-proclaimed IQ score. That's like, the oldest n00b crap you can pull on the internet.

"I have an IQ of 6048! HAAHA!"

Yeah, how about coming down to Earth a little for us? But, yeah, bye, got 60 hours to put in this week, can't waste my little free-time helping you get your idiot fix lol

Wow....just...wow

calm down there a little will ya? Your acting more and more immature with every post i see...

So black and hispanic Christians are incriminated, whereas white ones exonerated? I think it is a war of religions, but not colours in this instance.

It's like the death penalty. You are far more likely to get a 'war' or the death penalty when your victims are white and/or affluent than if they are not. It is also more likely if you happen to be non-white. I suspect that if Muslims simply targetted black churches, gay funerals and abortion clinics in the US that the "war on terror" would have never been declared.

It's like the death penalty. You are far more likely to get a 'war' or the death penalty when your victims are white and/or affluent than if they are not. It is also more likely if you happen to be non-white. I suspect that if Muslims simply targetted black churches, gay funerals and abortion clinics in the US that the "war on terror" would have never been declared.
or gay parades.

A brothel that has posted a large advertizement consisting of a partially naked woman and the flags of nations participating in the World Cup, including the flags of Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries has enraged, guess who? Yep, the Muslims. It seems that using the flags of Muslim nations on a banner bearing a picture of a semi-naked woman is an insult to Islam. Death threats have been issued. Knife-weilding lunatics have shown up at the brothel.

It seems everything is an insult to Islam. Well, Islam is officially now an insult to me. I demand that everyone stop practicing Islam or I will burn down some embassies.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4941788.stm

First Comics now Porn.. the muslims are being VICIOUSLY insulted.. oddly I don't recall them being upset when the mosques and imams were killed, maybe it just didn't get headlines..

perhaps the 'muslims' can gather up really beautiful women and clothe them in ornate shalls... and print them. that should get them soccer fans that like naked women. that'd be payback.

really though isn't like a flag a trademark..etc... like only usuable with permission.. maybe it isn't the same as CocaCola tm.
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just threats.. I think the fundamentalists may be getting soft.
heh, airing that one should be funny... late break news exclusively from the playboy channel.


that'd be an interesting fight.. hooligans vs. violent fundamentalist muslims.. you could get a statdium and call it the world bowl? eh eh.. tsn might cover it.. it'd be good fun for everyone no?

Anyway, I'm already ever so curious what the Religionists of Peace are gonna do THIS time.
What's Scientology got to do with any of this? :confused:
Why can't there be a religion that requires nudity, and sex at least twice per day?
Again we turn to Scientology? Only applicable to those who have reached a certain level... The level where all the fun starts ;)
These damned muslims are getting on my tit big time now.
Bow-chicka-bow-wow! :p

And no, I really don't have anything useful to add to this debate...
:D

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A brothel that has posted a large advertizement consisting of a partially naked woman and the flags of nations participating in the World Cup, including the flags of Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries has enraged, guess who? Yep, the Muslims. It seems that using the flags of Muslim nations on a banner bearing a picture of a semi-naked woman is an insult to Islam. Death threats have been issued. Knife-weilding lunatics have shown up at the brothel.

It seems everything is an insult to Islam. Well, Islam is officially now an insult to me. I demand that everyone stop practicing Islam or I will burn down some embassies.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4941788.stm
It was stupid of them to put such flags on their ad, but death threats and armed confrontations are way too much.

Anyway, it is vital that if you are going to Germany for the World Cup, DO NOT USE BROTHELS. They may try to exploit Eastern girls for the expected business boom.

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Woah. TG in action. He is completely my favorite mod now.

A brothel that has posted a large advertizement consisting of a partially naked woman and the flags of nations participating in the World Cup, including the flags of Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries has enraged, guess who? Yep, the Muslims. It seems that using the flags of Muslim nations on a banner bearing a picture of a semi-naked woman is an insult to Islam. Death threats have been issued. Knife-weilding lunatics have shown up at the brothel.

It seems everything is an insult to Islam. Well, Islam is officially now an insult to me. I demand that everyone stop practicing Islam or I will burn down some embassies.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4941788.stm

"The Muslims" and their darn hive-mind. Why I oughta ...

They have the right to protest. If they vandalise, they will be punished accordingly. Hopefully they realise their efforts are in vain. The West will not lose.
The West never loses. Theocracy and economic success are incompatible. Case in point: the universities of the Middle East churn out more graduates in Islamic Studies than in Science and Engineering.

So has the BNP in the UK. This will not bode well for the future. Extremism on both sides is unnerving. I am hoping the EU becomes more libertarian as time goes on, and not end up some fascist collection of nations.
Eh? When did the BNP gain seats?