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"The Great Canadian-American War" =P

Zanasa
25-04-2006, 00:27
So after being on N.S General for quite a long time (just not posting as much), I've seen many people being proud that they're Canadian and glorifying Canada in any way possible. I, personally, don't have problems with that. I've been to Canada a few times and it's a beautiful country. But when I see people say that Canada is peaceful, I always thought so until I ran into a random fact generator today.

So today I was bored and I decide to search up random facts, and I hit this one -

Canada planned to invade the United States until 1920

From - http://www.hookedonfacts.com/

The fact I wrote isn't accurate in words, but the precise idea is given and the date.

I found this quite interesting. This shows Canadians weren't always peaceful (note - I'm not antagonizing them) but besides that, if The Great Canadian-American War happened, who would've won? America wasn't that powerful in the early 20th century, and I lack knowledge on Canada by then, so who do you think would have won?

No poll, just post and discuss.
Nadkor
25-04-2006, 00:29
So after being on N.S General for quite a long time
October? 5 complete months is a long time?
Ilie
25-04-2006, 00:29
Maybe then America would be a better place.

I am not Canadian, by the way. *glorifies Canada to the max!*
Tactical Grace
25-04-2006, 00:30
It was the biggest since the big one! :eek:
Kyronea
25-04-2006, 00:31
So after being on N.S General for quite a long time (just not posting as much), I've seen many people being proud that they're Canadian and glorifying Canada in any way possible. I, personally, don't have problems with that. I've been to Canada a few times and it's a beautiful country. But when I see people say that Canada is peaceful, I always thought so until I ran into a random fact generator today.

So today I was bored and I decide to search up random facts, and I hit this one -



From - http://www.hookedonfacts.com/

The fact I wrote isn't accurate in words, but the precise idea is given and the date.

I found this quite interesting. This shows Canadians weren't always peaceful (note - I'm not antagonizing them) but besides that, if The Great Canadian-American War happened, who would've won? America wasn't that powerful in the early 20th century, and I lack knowledge on Canada by then, so who do you think would have won?

No poll, just post and discuss.
Canada. The Canadian military was one of the most powerful in the world in the early twentieth century, while the American military didn't become all that strong until World War II rolled around.
Posi
25-04-2006, 00:31
So after being on N.S General for quite a long time (just not posting as much), I've seen many people being proud that they're Canadian and glorifying Canada in any way possible. I, personally, don't have problems with that. I've been to Canada a few times and it's a beautiful country. But when I see people say that Canada is peaceful, I always thought so until I ran into a random fact generator today.

So today I was bored and I decide to search up random facts, and I hit this one -



From - http://www.hookedonfacts.com/

The fact I wrote isn't accurate in words, but the precise idea is given and the date.

I found this quite interesting. This shows Canadians weren't always peaceful (note - I'm not antagonizing them) but besides that, if The Great Canadian-American War happened, who would've won? America wasn't that powerful in the early 20th century, and I lack knowledge on Canada by then, so who do you think would have won?

No poll, just post and discuss.
Prolly the US. Around 1812, the American military had more people in it than all of Canada, and the US grew at a much faster rate (albiet, the USian military prolly did not remain 10 time larger than our for a terribly long time.

And if you think that shatters our Peaceful image look up the Asian Riots of 1909 (IIRC).
Zanasa
25-04-2006, 00:32
October? 5 complete months is a long time?

Well, even though, I would view this board very often, and I would emphasize the word very explicitly besides using the bold, italic, and underline keys at the sametime.

--

Back to the topic, I think it would add hatred between Canada and America, and if there is any today, then probably social rivalry which can be located in sporting events and the such.
Kiwi-kiwi
25-04-2006, 00:32
It wasn't nearly as interesting as the Canadian Missile Crisis.
Fleckenstein
25-04-2006, 00:34
October? 5 complete months is a long time?
how many months exist between october and april again??? :confused:

oct - nov - dec - jan - feb - mar - apr

i count seven
Call to power
25-04-2006, 00:34
aren’t countries supposed to have war plans for every scenario?

looks like now is the time for America to strike!
Dobbsworld
25-04-2006, 00:36
*snores, rolls over onto back*

*snores*
NERVUN
25-04-2006, 00:36
Uh... correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Canada a part of the UK at that time? So, technically, the UK had plans for invading the US.

Besides, I think we had plans for invading Canada at the same time. That was before we learned the best way to annoy Canada was to just steal its NHL players. ;)
Zanasa
25-04-2006, 00:37
Uh... correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Canada a part of the UK at that time? So, technically, the UK had plans for invading the US.

Besides, I think we had plans for invading Canada at the same time. That was before we learned the best way to annoy Canada was to just steal its NHL players. ;)

Lol, weird, but funny.
Nadkor
25-04-2006, 00:37
how many months exist between october and april again??? :confused:

oct - nov - dec - jan - feb - mar - apr

i count seven
Between October and April?

5.

October to April inclusive? 7.

That's why I said complete months. April isn't over, and even though he joined on the 1st of October, that wasn't a complete month either.
Kyronea
25-04-2006, 00:38
Well, it's true there would certainly be some hatred here and there. Thing is, with the way everything is nowadays, the worst you get is sports rivalry. And that's a good thing. Hell, a lot of Americans see Canada as really just another state, practically. Not literally, but metaphorically speaking. The relationship between our two countries--the populace, at least--is that good.
Dobbsworld
25-04-2006, 00:42
Well, it's true there would certainly be some hatred here and there. Thing is, with the way everything is nowadays, the worst you get is sports rivalry. And that's a good thing. Hell, a lot of Americans see Canada as really just another state, practically. Not literally, but metaphorically speaking. The relationship between our two countries--the populace, at least--is that good.

*rouses self*

Kyronea, our current government sees us as just another American State.

*passes out snoring again*
Kyronea
25-04-2006, 00:43
*rouses self*

Kyronea, our current government sees us as just another American State.

*passes out snoring again*
...really. This I did not know.
Red Tide2
25-04-2006, 00:46
Wow... I just discovered, and I qoute...

"Up to the age of six or seven months a child can breathe and swallow at the same time. An adult cannot do this."

DAMN! So many opportunities passed up!

EDIT: OH WOW! Mel Gibson has a horseshoe kidney(two kidneys fused into one)!
The Gingerbread
25-04-2006, 00:53
Uh... Any other evidence of this magical desire to invade?

Canada, while successful in pretty much all of their wars, would not be able to match the sheer population of the United States at the time.
Also, I doubt anyone Prime Minister would be stupid enough to attack. I mean, such a war would bring up the problem of conscription, which is a bitch because of the conflicting English/French POVs.

On a clearly very related note,
*me shakes fist at conversative gov't*
Red Tide2
25-04-2006, 00:55
Well I just did a search on google about it and have found results that the US has a plan to invade Canada(if nessecary).

EDIT: OH IRONY! "There are 11 towns in the United States that are named Moscow!" LOL!
MrMopar
25-04-2006, 00:57
Dude, tell us something we don't know. The US has a plan to invade EVERY country, as soon as Pres. Shitforbrains (AKA Bush) says so.
Zilam
25-04-2006, 00:58
Well I just did a search on google about it and have found results that the US has a plan to invade Canada(if nessecary).


I wonder what the Invasion of mexico would be like?
Red Tide2
25-04-2006, 00:59
Not much... last I heard the best ground forces they have are WW2-era armored cars.
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
25-04-2006, 01:00
I wonder what the Invasion of mexico would be like?
A bunch of young Americans tearing through the country, pissing off locals and being unnessecarily hazardous? Psh, we already do that every spring break.
Sarangeti
25-04-2006, 01:01
I wonder what the Invasion of mexico would be like?
A big party EDIT: an acknowledgement of status quo
Red Tide2
25-04-2006, 01:02
OOH! "Nearly 50% of the worlds scientists are assigned to military projects."

Thats alot of scientists... I wonder what they do with the ones that are assigned but dont have a post?

EDIT: "10% of the Russian Goverments income comes from the sale of Vodka."

I bet 20% comes from the sale of Ak-47s :P.
Sarangeti
25-04-2006, 01:04
OOH! "Nearly 50% of the worlds scientists are assigned to military projects."

Thats alot of scientists... I wonder what they do with the ones that are assigned but dont have a post?
Send em to Canada
Red Tide2
25-04-2006, 01:08
The hell? "President Geore W. Bush was once a cheerleader!"

Now, I am not a supporter of him... but this makes me further loose my confidence in the US Goverment!
Sarangeti
25-04-2006, 01:09
I think that the rest of the north american continent is just the places that the radical Americans of either end go when they don't want to be bothered.
Think about it, the big corporations use one half of Mexico as a dumping ground and the other half as estates where rich white conservatives can go and have a mansion with hundreds of mexican peons to serve them.
And Canada is where the fringe left of America go whenever they can't stand it anymore. (or when theres a draft)
Evil Cantadia
25-04-2006, 01:10
I have never ever heard anything about this before. The US invaded Canada during the war of 1812, and the Canadian (or British NOrth American) forces also invaded the US (the siege of DEtroit is commemorated in the "Star Spangled Banner", and the White House was originally green but had to be whitewashed after being burned by British North American forces). Also, taking over Canada was also part of the Manifest Destiny espoused by many US politicians (And made famoud during the Oregon Boundary dispute by the slogan 54 40 or fight!). Also the Fenians (Irish expats in America) staged several raids of Canada during the 1860's in an attempt to force Britain to liberate Ireland. And the threat of invasion from the US was one of the reasons the British North American colonies joined as the Dominion of Canada in 1867. But Canada wanting to invade the US is a new one by me.
Sarangeti
25-04-2006, 01:10
The hell? "President Geore W. Bush was once a cheerleader!"

Now, I am not a supporter of him... but this makes me further loose my confidence in the US Goverment!
Wo I say Geore and thought it was Gore for a second LOL
NERVUN
25-04-2006, 01:51
I have never ever heard anything about this before. The US invaded Canada during the war of 1812, and the Canadian (or British NOrth American) forces also invaded the US (the siege of DEtroit is commemorated in the "Star Spangled Banner", and the White House was originally green but had to be whitewashed after being burned by British North American forces).
Uh... The Star Spangled Banner was about the attack on Fort McHenry, guarding Baltimore on Chesapeake Bay, not Detroit. And the White House was white long before the British burned it.
http://www.snopes.com/language/colors/whithous.htm
Bodies Without Organs
25-04-2006, 01:54
Uh... correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Canada a part of the UK at that time? So, technically, the UK had plans for invading the US.

Besides, I think we had plans for invading Canada at the same time.

War Plan Red, as it was known, and actively readied until 1939.
Mikesburg
25-04-2006, 02:20
I have to admit that I've never heard anything about supposed Canadian invasions into the US either. (Aside from 1812 obviously.) Perhaps as war plans with the UK as a pre-emptive strike in case of invasion? I've just never heard of it.

Really, Canada's the smaller of the two in population, and the country was founded on the idea of 'not being part of America.' Most of the original english-speaking colonists were United Empire Loyalists who were sick of the tar-and-feathering back in the US.
Terrorist Cakes
25-04-2006, 02:23
If you haven't already noticed, the people who were alive in 1920 are mostly dead now. Therefore, a country that was once war-mongering, might, under changes of leadership, etc. have turned into a more peaceful place.
Langwell
25-04-2006, 02:24
America invaded Canada in 1812, so the British came over and burnt the White House.
Ladamesansmerci
25-04-2006, 02:28
America invaded Canada in 1812, so the British came over and burnt the White House.

No, the Canadians burned down your precious White House.
Langwell
25-04-2006, 02:29
No, the Canadians burned down your precious White House.

I'm Canadian.

You can start feeling stupid now.
Daistallia 2104
25-04-2006, 02:32
So after being on N.S General for quite a long time (just not posting as much), I've seen many people being proud that they're Canadian and glorifying Canada in any way possible. I, personally, don't have problems with that. I've been to Canada a few times and it's a beautiful country. But when I see people say that Canada is peaceful, I always thought so until I ran into a random fact generator today.

So today I was bored and I decide to search up random facts, and I hit this one -



From - http://www.hookedonfacts.com/

The fact I wrote isn't accurate in words, but the precise idea is given and the date.

I found this quite interesting. This shows Canadians weren't always peaceful (note - I'm not antagonizing them) but besides that, if The Great Canadian-American War happened, who would've won? America wasn't that powerful in the early 20th century, and I lack knowledge on Canada by then, so who do you think would have won?

No poll, just post and discuss.


It was called "Defence Scheme No. 1". Here's more about it:

Canadian military strategists developed a plan to invade the United States in 1921 -- nine years before their American counterparts created War Plan Red.

The Canadian plan was developed by the country's director of military operations and intelligence, a World War I hero named James Sutherland "Buster" Brown. Apparently Buster believed that the best defense was a good offense: His "Defence Scheme No. 1" called for Canadian soldiers to invade the United States, charging toward Albany, Minneapolis, Seattle and Great Falls, Mont., at the first signs of a possible U.S. invasion.

"His plan was to start sending people south quickly because surprise would be more important than preparation," said Floyd Rudmin, a Canadian psychology professor and author of "Bordering on Aggression: Evidence of U.S. Military Preparations Against Canada," a 1993 book about both nations' war plans. "At a certain point, he figured they'd be stopped and then retreat, blowing up bridges and tearing up railroad tracks to slow the Americans down."

Brown's idea was to buy time for the British to come to Canada's rescue. Buster even entered the United States in civilian clothing to do some reconnaissance.

"He had a total annual budget of $1,200," said Rudmin, "so he himself would drive to the areas where they were going to invade and take pictures and pick up free maps at gas stations."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/29/AR2005122901412_3.html

And yes, the US had plans for an invasion of Canada. That was "War Plan Crimson", part of War Plan Red (the war plans for a war with the UK), part of the color coded war plans developed in the 1920s and 30s, and further developed into the Rainbow War Plans (http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/2004121222.asp).

Is the existance of these war plans shocking? Hardly. It would be more shocking if the military wasn't making these.

And as a side note, be careful of those random facts. Note that their source is simply "Source: Verified"... Even Wikipedia is (usually) better than that for verification.
Nadkor
25-04-2006, 02:32
No, the Canadians burned down your precious White House.
...Canada didn't exist, if we're going to be pedantic about it.
The Gingerbread
25-04-2006, 02:33
To Langwell's credit, it was only British soldiers who went to burn down the Whitehouse.
Langwell
25-04-2006, 02:35
British North America is such a cool name.

"Hi, I'm a British North American from British North America."

"I'm a BNAian"
Evil Cantadia
25-04-2006, 02:39
Uh... The Star Spangled Banner was about the attack on Fort McHenry, guarding Baltimore on Chesapeake Bay, not Detroit. And the White House was white long before the British burned it.
http://www.snopes.com/language/colors/whithous.htm

My bad on Fort McHenry. Baltimore is a way nicer city than Detroit. :)

And as for the whitewash ... that is what they told me at the whitehouse!
Mikesburg
25-04-2006, 02:55
It was called "Defence Scheme No. 1". Here's more about it:



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/29/AR2005122901412_3.html

And yes, the US had plans for an invasion of Canada. That was "War Plan Crimson", part of War Plan Red (the war plans for a war with the UK), part of the color coded war plans developed in the 1920s and 30s, and further developed into the Rainbow War Plans (http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/2004121222.asp).

Is the existance of these war plans shocking? Hardly. It would be more shocking if the military wasn't making these.

And as a side note, be careful of those random facts. Note that their source is simply "Source: Verified"... Even Wikipedia is (usually) better than that for verification.

Thanks for the info. I figured it would have to be something pre-emptive.

'Buster' Brown is the man... it's difficult trying to conceive somebody planning something like that these days. We have to do it subtly, with our celebrities and musicians.
Daistallia 2104
25-04-2006, 03:15
And yea! Looks like the great War of 1812 argument is on again. This one always ends so well...

Here's a run down of the usual mistakes:

1) The US invaded seeking territorial expansion.
The issues that caused the war were quite a bit more complex. While some in the US did want to annex at least part of Canada, the issues were in particular: impressment, the practice of searching American vessels in American waters, trade embargoes detrimental to the American economy, and finally, the "alleged" incitement to violence of the First Nations by the British Army.

2) Canada wasn't even a country then.

Arguable. Upper and Lower Canada were created by the Constitutional Act of 1791. The United Province of Canada was established under the The Union Act passed in 1840. And the Dominion of Canada wasn;t established until 1867. Canada arguably didn't become completely independent of the UK until the patriation of the Constitution of Canada in 1982.

Conclusion: there was no country called Canada in 1812. However there was a Canada.

3) Canadians burned down the White House.
It was the British regulars who burned down the White House.

4) Canada won.
No. Most historians have concluded it was a stalemate, with the US having achieved it's important goals.
NERVUN
25-04-2006, 03:22
And as for the whitewash ... that is what they told me at the whitehouse!
*Grins* Sounds like the White House tour guides need to talk to their archivists.
Daistallia 2104
25-04-2006, 03:26
My bad on Fort McHenry. Baltimore is a way nicer city than Detroit. :)

And as for the whitewash ... that is what they told me at the whitehouse!

From The White House Historical Association's FAQ Page (http://www.whitehousehistory.org/06/subs/06_a.html):
Why is the White House white?

It has nothing to do with the burning of the house by the British in 1814, although every schoolchild is likely to have heard the story that way. The building was first made white with lime-based whitewash in 1798, when its walls were finished, simply as a means of protecting the porous stone from freezing. Why the house was subsequently painted is not known. Perhaps presidents objected to the dirty look as the whitewash wore away. The house acquired its nickname early on. Congressman Abijah Bigelow wrote to a colleague on March 18, 1812 (three months before the United States entered war with England): "There is much trouble at the White House, as we call it, I mean the President's" (quoted in W. B. Bryan, "The Name White House," Records of the Columbia Historical Society 34-35 [1932]: 308). The name, though in common use, remained a nickname until September 1901, when Theodore Roosevelt made it official.
Daistallia 2104
25-04-2006, 03:30
Thanks for the info. I figured it would have to be something pre-emptive.

'Buster' Brown is the man... it's difficult trying to conceive somebody planning something like that these days. We have to do it subtly, with our celebrities and musicians.

I would be very surprised if the Canadian military didn't have some planning going on. And it woulkd appear they do:

In 2003, the Canadian army set up an Internet chat room where soldiers and civilians could discuss defense issues. "One of the hottest topics on the site discusses whether the U.S. will invade Canada to seize its natural resources," the Ottawa Citizen reported. "If the attack did come, Canada could rely on a scorched-earth policy similar to what Russia did when invaded by Nazi Germany, one participant recommends. 'With such emmense [sic] land, and with our cold climates, we may be able to hold them off, even though we have the much weaker military,' the individual concludes."
http://www.canucksource.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1135984258&archive=&start_from=&ucat=16&section=atc
Red Tide2
25-04-2006, 03:31
No offense to anybody here, I am joking around with this post... now with that out of the way:

September 1901? A full 100 years before september 11?

:Puts on tinfoil hat to better think up conspiracy theories related to the subject:
Lacadaemon
25-04-2006, 03:37
Uh... correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Canada a part of the UK at that time? So, technically, the UK had plans for invading the US.


It's been a dominion since 1867. So the power to declare war has been in its own hands since then. I'm sure it was done in consultation with CIGS though.
Manvir
25-04-2006, 03:54
So after being on N.S General for quite a long time (just not posting as much), I've seen many people being proud that they're Canadian and glorifying Canada in any way possible. I, personally, don't have problems with that. I've been to Canada a few times and it's a beautiful country. But when I see people say that Canada is peaceful, I always thought so until I ran into a random fact generator today.

So today I was bored and I decide to search up random facts, and I hit this one -



From - http://www.hookedonfacts.com/

The fact I wrote isn't accurate in words, but the precise idea is given and the date.

I found this quite interesting. This shows Canadians weren't always peaceful (note - I'm not antagonizing them) but besides that, if The Great Canadian-American War happened, who would've won? America wasn't that powerful in the early 20th century, and I lack knowledge on Canada by then, so who do you think would have won?

No poll, just post and discuss.

Canada was actually still part of Britain in the 20's which was probably the superpower at the time.

Also the US had an invasion plan against Canada in 1935
and had invaded Canada previously (1775 and 1812)
as well as Fenian raids on canada by Irish-Americans who hated the Brits

http://www.glasnost.de/hist/usa/1935invasion.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Plan_Red
Evil Cantadia
25-04-2006, 04:01
It's been a dominion since 1867. So the power to declare war has been in its own hands since then. I'm sure it was done in consultation with CIGS though.

I don't think we got the power to declare war until after the First World War. The Imperial Parliament retained some powers after Confederation. In the SEcond World War, we were allowed to declare war on our own (and like a big kid we waited about 6 days or so ...).
Red Tide2
25-04-2006, 04:02
Canada was actually still part of Britain in the 20's which was probably the superpower at the time.

Well I dont think it was the superpower of the time. Wasnt Britian(not to mention the rest of Europe) still reeling from the whole World War 1 thing?
Callixtina
25-04-2006, 04:07
The US invaded Canada during the war of 1812, and the Canadian (or British NOrth American) forces also invaded the US (the siege of DEtroit is commemorated in the "Star Spangled Banner", and the White House was originally green but had to be whitewashed after being burned by British North American forces).

:rolleyes: The lyrics written by Francis Scott Key to The Star Spangled Banner were inspired by the Battle of Baltimore at Fort McHenry on September 13-14 1814. And the White house was NEVER green, it was known as the Presidential Mansion when it was completed in 1800 and has ALWAYS BEEN PAINTED WHITE. :rolleyes: :upyours: Get your history right.
Callixtina
25-04-2006, 04:08
The US invaded Canada during the war of 1812, and the Canadian (or British NOrth American) forces also invaded the US (the siege of DEtroit is commemorated in the "Star Spangled Banner", and the White House was originally green but had to be whitewashed after being burned by British North American forces).

:rolleyes: The lyrics written by Francis Scott Key to The Star Spangled Banner were inspired by the Battle of Baltimore at Fort McHenry on September 13-14 1814. And the White house was NEVER green, it was known as the Presidential Mansion when it was completed in 1800 and has ALWAYS BEEN PAINTED WHITE. :rolleyes: :upyours: Get your history right.
Callixtina
25-04-2006, 04:08
The US invaded Canada during the war of 1812, and the Canadian (or British NOrth American) forces also invaded the US (the siege of DEtroit is commemorated in the "Star Spangled Banner", and the White House was originally green but had to be whitewashed after being burned by British North American forces).

:rolleyes: The lyrics written by Francis Scott Key to The Star Spangled Banner were inspired by the Battle of Baltimore at Fort McHenry on September 13-14 1814. And the White house was NEVER green, it was known as the Presidential Mansion when it was completed in 1800 and has ALWAYS BEEN PAINTED WHITE. :rolleyes: :upyours: Get your history right.
Duntscruwithus
25-04-2006, 04:19
:rolleyes: The lyrics written by Francis Scott Key to The Star Spangled Banner were inspired by the Battle of Baltimore at Fort McHenry on September 13-14 1814. And the White house was NEVER green, it was known as the Presidential Mansion when it was completed in 1800 and has ALWAYS BEEN PAINTED WHITE. :rolleyes: :upyours: Get your history right.

Before you start getting testy and overposting, you might want to consider actually reading all the posts? The person you are bitching at was already corrected and acknowleged their error. But you'd know that if you had bothered to read........
Lacadaemon
25-04-2006, 04:31
I don't think we got the power to declare war until after the First World War. The Imperial Parliament retained some powers after Confederation. In the SEcond World War, we were allowed to declare war on our own (and like a big kid we waited about 6 days or so ...).

Under the North American act, the canadian parliament gained legislative control over canadian armed forces. I was under the impression that Sir Robert Borden, made an independant declaration of war in august 1914.

Though maybe there was some reason to do with executive powers (possibly owing to greater control by the Imperial Parliament in those days), that required him to do so.

My understanding is that most of the powers that the imperial parliament actually retained were to do with amending the canadian constitution.
Dobbsworld
25-04-2006, 04:45
*wakes up, looks around*

is this still going on?

*is asleep again before head hits pillow*
Langwell
25-04-2006, 04:59
Canada was actually still part of Britain in the 20's which was probably the superpower at the time.

Confederation was in 1867.

The Americans don't consider anything a victory until they've completely thrashed their opponent. Thus, they lost the War of 1812. To further emphasize the point, you can't really call a war a stalemate when the other side marched into your capital and burnt your president's house. I call that a bitter insult, not a draw.

For all of you republican gun touting, machoist, God-blass-America types - tough.
Katganistan
25-04-2006, 05:04
Uh... correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Canada a part of the UK at that time? So, technically, the UK had plans for invading the US.

Besides, I think we had plans for invading Canada at the same time. That was before we learned the best way to annoy Canada was to just steal its NHL players. ;)

Then they got back at us by sending us William Shatner and Celine Dion.
Duntscruwithus
25-04-2006, 05:06
Hey, I like Willliam Shatner! He is damned great in Boston Legal!
Katganistan
25-04-2006, 05:07
I have never ever heard anything about this before. The US invaded Canada during the war of 1812, and the Canadian (or British NOrth American) forces also invaded the US (the siege of DEtroit is commemorated in the "Star Spangled Banner", and the White House was originally green but had to be whitewashed after being burned by British North American forces). Also, taking over Canada was also part of the Manifest Destiny espoused by many US politicians (And made famoud during the Oregon Boundary dispute by the slogan 54 40 or fight!). Also the Fenians (Irish expats in America) staged several raids of Canada during the 1860's in an attempt to force Britain to liberate Ireland. And the threat of invasion from the US was one of the reasons the British North American colonies joined as the Dominion of Canada in 1867. But Canada wanting to invade the US is a new one by me.

...Wasn't it the siege of Ft McHenry in BALTIMORE that is commemorated in the Star Spangled Banner?!

http://ww2.lafayette.edu/~gilbertn/Star-Spangled-Banner.html
Evil Cantadia
25-04-2006, 05:16
Under the North American act, the canadian parliament gained legislative control over canadian armed forces. I was under the impression that Sir Robert Borden, made an independant declaration of war in august 1914.

My understanding is that most of the powers that the imperial parliament actually retained were to do with amending the canadian constitution.

I think the Imperial Parliament retained some legislative powers until the Statute of Westminster of 1931 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_Westminster_1931).

As a result, Canada entered the war automatically (http://www.firstworldwar.com/features/declarationsofwar.htm) when Britain declared war on August 4th 1914.
Lacadaemon
25-04-2006, 05:17
...Wasn't it the siege of Ft McHenry in BALTIMORE that is commemorated in the Star Spangled Banner?!

http://ww2.lafayette.edu/~gilbertn/Star-Spangled-Banner.html

And heavy drinking.
NERVUN
25-04-2006, 05:22
Then they got back at us by sending us William Shatner and Celine Dion.
I know, I charged a couple of Canadians with this, especially since they sent her to MY STATE!

But they noted we gave the world McDonalds and George W. Bush, so it's a fair trade. :D
Lacadaemon
25-04-2006, 05:33
As a result, Canada entered the war automatically (http://www.firstworldwar.com/features/declarationsofwar.htm) when Britain declared war on August 4th 1914.

Yah. It was automatic.

I got confused because it was up to Canada how much it would contribute/participate. My bad.
Evil Cantadia
25-04-2006, 05:51
Yah. It was automatic.

I got confused because it was up to Canada how much it would contribute/participate. My bad.

NP. I think Mackenzie-King was the first PM that got to declare war for real. As I said, as a sign of our independence, I believe he waited 6 whole days.
Nadkor
25-04-2006, 13:09
Well I dont think it was the superpower of the time. Wasnt Britian(not to mention the rest of Europe) still reeling from the whole World War 1 thing?
Well, as far as I know the Empire didn't reach its height in terms of size until the early 1920s, but Britain hadn't been the sole superpower since the late 1800s, and the First World War had a massive cost financially and militarily.

Hard to sy, really. It was definitely still a superpower, but by then it had been joined by others.
Squornshelous
25-04-2006, 13:10
So after being on N.S General for quite a long time (just not posting as much)
*snip*


Shush young one.