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I hate fat people. They disgust me and sorry if I sound harsh but I'm speaking my mind. Just yesterday I was out with some friends and there was this massive woman sitting directly across from me, I couldn't eat until she left! What do you think causes people to be fat? I think it's mainly because they eat too much. But sometimes I do think it's a disorder. But, you can't blame it all on your genes.

I hate fat people. They disgust me and sorry if I sound harsh but I'm speaking my mind. Just yesterday I was out with some friends and there was this massive woman sitting directly across from me, I couldn't eat until she left! What do you think causes people to be fat? I think it's mainly because they eat too much. But sometimes I do think it's a disorder. But, you can't blame it all on your genes.
Too much food, the wrong food and not enough exercise.

I believe some scientists are now suggesting that if you excercise much less than you eat, you may retain some of that food in the form of 'fat'. This seems to be the leading thinking. Out there huh?

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Ironically, this troll needs a spot of anorexia itself.

I hate fat people. They disgust me and sorry if I sound harsh but I'm speaking my mind. Just yesterday I was out with some friends and there was this massive woman sitting directly across from me, I couldn't eat until she left! What do you think causes people to be fat? I think it's mainly because they eat too much. But sometimes I do think it's a disorder. But, you can't blame it all on your genes.
It is caused by a variety of factors. Lifestyles lately have been mostly sedentary, and, along with horrible junk food, can create quite a lot of obesity. Of course, there's always the disorders, and then there is emotional eating, which quite a few people--including myself--suffer from. Genetics really does play in a lot more than one might realize, but on that same token, altering one's diet plays more of an effect than one realizes as well.

And then there's just those who don't care about losing weight. Some don't mind being the way they are. You get that with just about everything.

I believe some scientists are now suggesting that if you excercise much less than you eat, you may retain some of that food in the form of 'fat'. This seems to be the leading thinking. Out there huh?
Wait I thought it was if you excercise much more than you eat that you retained fat! Damn, so thats what I've been doing wrong;)

I believe some scientists are now suggesting that if you excercise much less than you eat, you may retain some of that food in the form of 'fat'. This seems to be the leading thinking. Out there huh?

Current research does support this thinking.

Take that fatty! :upyours:

What I really hate is when fat women/girls wear tight clothing, especially skirts! I nearly puke everytime.

Easter candy.

Those rotten bastards.

Most obese people or those otherwise overweight is caused by two main factors; One genetics: Some people are just more prone to putting on weight and keeping it. Two, "lifestyle choices": Let's face it, fast food is crap and many obese people eat it. Lack of excersize, another factor coupled with a poor diet and a high consumption of fatty foods in general -- especially foods high in transfats are also other causes for being overwieght.

There are some people who are a bit heavier. Not FAT but weigh a little more, and that's fine. I just can't stand seeing people who are really fat.

I heard that McDonalds put a calorie chart on the trays, they put it on the bottom of the paper thing. Like anyone's gonna read it, especially after all that grease drips all over it. Nice try McDonalds, but you can't fool me.

I hate fat people. They disgust me . . . you can't blame it all on your genes.

Mankind evolved over millions of years gathering what was avilable.

Today what's available is crap and someone else gathers it for you.

Take any fatty you find put them in the jungle, have a bear chase them around and only give them enough time to gather fruits and veggies and you'll soon produce a fat bear or a healthy person.

I'ld say its between bad upbringings and just eating too much. PEOPLE HAVE TO LEARN MODERATION!! I hate shows like The Boondocks blaming it on the restraunt or the people owning the restraunt. Its the buyers fault for not being able to find some middle ground, or being able to restrain themselves. Fat people are disgusting. I am a former fat guy that took back control of my life from food.

Maybe we should release bears in groccery store and McDonalds.

I'ld say its between bad upbringings and just eating too much. PEOPLE HAVE TO LEARN MODERATION!! I hate shows like The Boondocks blaming it on the restraunt or the people owning the restraunt. Its the buyers fault for not being able to find some middle ground, or being able to restrain themselves. Fat people are disgusting. I am a former fat guy that took back control of my life from food.
The Boodocks were blaiming it on the idiotic eating choices people make, hence the criticism of the culture that encourages such styles of eating.

I like McDonalds, I think the food tastes good, albeit unhealthy. But I go there only once a month, sometimes less. These fast food joints need to lock fat people out and make the menus more healthy.

Does anyone remember the story of the fat girl who wanted to sue McDonalds because she blammed them for making her fat? I'm sort of glad she lost. The only thing McDonalds was guilty of was not locking her out. She admitted to going there as many as three times a day.

I just can't stand seeing people who are really fat.

No, you can stand to see people who are really fat. You just chose not to. When you realise that seeing fat people does not hurt you in anyway you will be able to calm down and enjoy yourself more.

Take any fatty you find put them in the jungle, have a bear chase them around and only give them enough time to gather fruits and veggies and you'll soon produce a fat bear or a healthy person.

I will venture to say that the bear will become fat, because lets face it no fatty can out run a bear.

I'm not saying that many people aren't fat due to junk food, but not all fat peole are greedy pigs. I'm somewhat heavy, on the low end of a BMI that would be considered overweight. I eat quite healthy for someone my age and exercise several times a week. Many other people with my lifestyle would be thin. My cousin, on the other hand, eats MASSIVE amounts of food and is as thin as a rail. So, it just goes to showthat metabolism does play a role, and it's important to remember that before typecasting all overweight people as piggish and lazy.

I can't. It's hard not to notice a three hundred pund woman wearing a skirt. Ignoring the problem isn;t a good idea.

I agree that there are medical conditions. I don't gain nor lose weight when I eat. I stay at the same weight. But I just don't believe it when people who are scarfing down a hamburger then say "it's genetics"

The Boodocks were blaiming it on the idiotic eating choices people make, hence the criticism of the culture that encourages such styles of eating.


No they were blaming Grandpa. Huey the "hero" was deffinately blaming Grandpa.

discrimination against fat people is the only discrimination that is not looked down upon by the greater populus, and while it could be the individual's fault to a certain extent, the psychological maladies or genetics involved make being fat no different than being black or jewish or the like. in sum, discriminating against fat people is wrong.

I'm not fat, Im bigged boned! Assholes :(


But on a serious note, its the persons fault. If they have bad metabolisms, dont eat so much and exersize more. I dont think we had bigassed 400 pound people back 100 years ago. Its their fault. Their great grandparents probably werent as big as cows.

discrimination against fat people is the only discrimination that is not looked down upon by the greater populus,

Discrimination of smokers is also accepted, probably to a greater extent then discrimination to fatties.

I know this teacher that's at my school. He had a heart attack a few years ago and is obese. I had him for class two years ago and everyday he'd bring in his porl barrel body with a diet pepsi and a snickers bar. And he still does it to the day. So I'd say that some of them do make bad choices, if not more.

We live in a culture that prmotes two opposites: being thin to conform with the latest fashions, and food that is less than healthy. People want both. So you end up with extremes, like fat people in miniskirts and anorexics in miniskirts who look just as bad but don't eat the food.

At the rate people are becoming obese in America. It'll be the skinny people who will be discriminated against.

No they were blaming Grandpa. Huey the "hero" was deffinately blaming Grandpa.
It was in reality a bit of both, look at the criticism he leveled at the movie "Soul Food" that was aimed at the culture that encourages that style of eating while the stuff with Grandpa was criticism aimed at his playing along with that.

For many generations, there weren't that many fat people. in the eighteen hundreds, if you were fat it meant you were wealthy and could afford to eat extra, it was a status symbol. Now, if you're fat, it's just because you eat too much.

Why didn't you put "no exercise"?

I think fatness can definitely be a medical condition, or partially result from one. For example, people who have limited mobility due to injury don't get to exercise and maybe they eat just a little too much every day and *boom* instant 20 pounds heavier.

It's also because people don't know how to eat healthy, or they have hypothyroid, or their metabolism slowed and they don't know how to change their habits, or they're depressed, or whatever! There's a million reasons! Cripes.

For many generations, there weren't that many fat people. in the eighteen hundreds, if you were fat it meant you were wealthy and could afford to eat extra, it was a status symbol. Now, if you're fat, it's just because you eat too much.
How do you think people back than got fat?

I think it has too do with all of the above. When people are raised from a young age eating only saturated food items and not eating protein and healthier food their palatte becomes accustomed to fatty food. However, irregardless of upbringing some people are genetically heavy due to lack of physical ability or cells which absorb saturated fats in greater quantities. Although, there are other people who don't care about what they eat so they purposely eat fatty foods lacking in minerals and protein. And finally, there are those who refuse to exercise because they "dislike" playing sports. There are also other reasons but I think people can be heavy for various reasons.

However, I don't think fat people are disgusting and I've grown to a certain point where I don't get bothered by somebody who weighs more than I do. I have an aunt who is severly obese and she has more character than most people.

I forgot to put 'lack of exercise' sorry. I guess it would fall under 'other'

I hate fat people. They disgust me and sorry if I sound harsh but I'm speaking my mind. Just yesterday I was out with some friends and there was this massive woman sitting directly across from me, I couldn't eat until she left! What do you think causes people to be fat? I think it's mainly because they eat too much. But sometimes I do think it's a disorder. But, you can't blame it all on your genes.

Much anger I sense in you young one, did a fat kid beat you up for lunch money at school?

I don't really think it can be attributed to a single factor, of course the most important thing is, you're fat if you're eating more than you burn off...kinda elementary but just thought I'd say it.

But as to WHY people eat more than they burn off, hell there's a lot of different reasons. I think it's a bit of everything people have mentioned in this thread. Poor diet, lack of exercise, more kids play computer consoles than go out and play sports etc.

I'd never blame McDonald's for making me or anyone else fat, I am an intelligent human being and I take full responcibility for my actions.However I think fast food chains and other eateries have to shoulder SOME of the burden, and I'm all in favour for government pressure to reduce salt/fat content in foods.

I think one of the problems might be some healthy foods are much more expensive, I can only give you a very tiny example off the top of my head. Minced beef, the expensive lean stuff is way more expensive than the cheap fatty stuff, at least in supermarkets here (the UK). This might be a dumb suggestion, but perhaps government subisidising in order to make healthier options cheaper would work? I don't know, feel free to correct me here.

Speaking as someone with a weight problem, I'm not asking for people to laud me for being a fatty, or say I'm attractive, because it plain isn't true, but I would ask for a small shred of dignity. I recognise I must be repulsive to many "skinny" people, but I'd ask you to lay off the snide remarks, I'm trying to change my lifestyle for the better. It isn't easy when you've spent many years of your life with a certain habit. The least people like you could do is cut me some slack and let me get on with sorting my life out without this kind of attitude.

Anyway, I said my piece, time to go back into lurkdom.

But on a serious note, its the persons fault. If they have bad metabolisms, dont eat so much and exersize more. I dont think we had bigassed 400 pound people back 100 years ago. Its their fault. Their great grandparents probably werent as big as cows.

It's a combination of genetics and enviroment. A person in Mali may be quite skinny because there isn't much food to bloody eat and he has to work hard to get what little food there is. When he goes to America his genes don't change but he puts on weight due to the differnt environment. His child, who eats American food from day one may end up enormous.

And if it were easy for fat people to lose weight, they would. Think of it like muscles. I do little exercise but I am fairly strong because of amount of natural steroids my body produces. A weedy person might have to exercise for hours a day just to become as strong as me. But I don't tell weedy people that they should be as strong as I am or think that I have more will power just because I can put on mucle faster than they can.

I just hate seeing fat people. I hate when they complain about how fat they are and don't do anything about it. And I can't stand it when fat girls wear skirts!

Let's do some math:
Overeating + Lack of Exercise = Obesity

Then again, I am a human waste disposal though I run every day. The running probably cancels the food out, and then some.

Overeating + Lack of Exercise = Obesity

No, there are many people who eat junk and lay about all day and don't become obese. Even when they eat more food than they want their bodies resist putting on a lot of fat. Different people have different bodies that react in different ways. The equation is too simple.

It's not all just eating too much, it's not all genetics, it's not all a medical condition, and it's not at all any restaurant's fault. It's some permutation of the first three, often with a nice dollop of depression or stress, in almost all cases.

Myself, I'm technically overweight, although I look damn good for my weight (I've met one person who guessed within 10 lbs of my actual weight) and it's starting to come off now that I'm able to get out (and, more importantly, enjoy) walking (moving halfway across a country as large as Canada can really make a difference in your lifestyle ;) ) and now that one major factor (stress) is mostly eliminated, as well as being able to eat a healthier diet thanks to mom getting paid more. Not that this is really a thread for our own overcoming-weight stories, but it's not as though it's as easy as JUST "eat less and exercise more". If you had more than 20 or 30 lbs of fat on your frame, you'd be discriminated against the same way you're discriminating against us, and you'd know what we go through when it comes to this. It takes a lot of willpower, and a good paycheck (it's not usually cheap to buy healthy food all year round, the cheapest stuff is the unhealthiest for a good reason), and a lot of support from your friends and family for most people.

A lot of it has to do with the crappy food that predominates these days, which is usually cheaper than higher quality food. That and a lack of exercise, which is all too common. Genetics play a rôle, but it's not as though it can make you gain weight from food you haven't even eaten. Ultimately, it's up to the individual to cut back on the fat and exercise more.

the people in southern france eat every day the foods we are scared of: high carb bread, high fat meat, high calorie foods. why arent they fat?

no chemicals and artificial ingredients there. striaght bread, not low fat low carb with additives that act like carbs.

and they dont exercise much more thn we do.

It's not all just eating too much, it's not all genetics, it's not all a medical condition, and it's not at all any restaurant's fault. It's some permutation of the first three, often with a nice dollop of depression or stress, in almost all cases.

Myself, I'm technically overweight, although I look damn good for my weight (I've met one person who guessed within 10 lbs of my actual weight) and it's starting to come off now that I'm able to get out (and, more importantly, enjoy) walking (moving halfway across a country as large as Canada can really make a difference in your lifestyle ;) ) and now that one major factor (stress) is mostly eliminated, as well as being able to eat a healthier diet thanks to mom getting paid more. Not that this is really a thread for our own overcoming-weight stories, but it's not as though it's as easy as JUST "eat less and exercise more". If you had more than 20 or 30 lbs of fat on your frame, you'd be discriminated against the same way you're discriminating against us, and you'd know what we go through when it comes to this. It takes a lot of willpower, and a good paycheck (it's not usually cheap to buy healthy food all year round, the cheapest stuff is the unhealthiest for a good reason), and a lot of support from your friends and family for most people.

Well said. I don't think people who've been skinny all their lives can ever appreciate how difficult it can be to lose weight. I was bullied a lot at High School for my weight and it has made me very self conscious about my appearance, which is one of the reasons I shy away from exercise at the gym, I can almost feel their eyes on me, thinking "look at that fat lump, what a disgrace" It's stupid and irrational I know, but things that happen in your younger years can effect you long into your life, I'm trying to change the way I am, but like you say it's not as easy as many people think.

I believe that there are a mulitiude of reasons, mostly centering around it being your fault (I'm including what you do since your upbringing. At what point do we draw the line for what is your fault and what is your parents' fault? "Hitler just had a bad life at home . . .").

I'm all for the bear idea.

As for the idea of blaming the resurants, that's just stupid. They provide a good and/or service, and it is someone's decision whether or not to spend their capital on it. Also, as a rule, I am against government intervention (I am a "hardcore" capitalist).

However, I cannot neglect the influence of genetics. However, this is just another thing that one must learn to live with. That is the hand that you are delt, so do the best you can with it. I, for one, got an excellent hand. My diet is based on meats and cheeses, with some desert and the occasional bannana, and yet I am quite thin (not to gloat).

EDIT: I would have to agree with you on the miniskirt thing. *shudders* Truely, and this is just my basic instict that I can't control, fat women really disgust me. Fat men I really don't care, unless they are one of those people who weighs a ton and a half and needs a crane to get them out of bed.

It's certainly not JUST what one eats. When I was in my teens and early 20's, I barely weighed 130 pounds. And I ate all the time, and never gained an ounce. 20 years later, I weigh 205 pounds, just eating 3 regular sized meals a day and a few stray snacks. I do drink a fair amount of Coke, but I did back then too. And I seldom eat the cookies, crackers, candy, and ice cream that I wollfed down like crazy then.

In my case, it's a combination of slower metabolism, and less exersize.

I'm overweight right now because someone bet me $100 that I couldn't gain 20 pounds in a month.
Well, I won. That was probably the stupidest bet I have ever undertaken, but I still managed to get his cash, and I think the philosophers and historians will agree that that is what really mattered.
Most people have better impulse control than me, though, and so they must be fat because they planned it that way. Perhaps as part of a scheme to take over the world . . .

Obesity is invariably caused by too much food, too little exercise and a lack of moral fibre.

Obesity is invariably caused by too much food, too little exercise and a lack of moral fibre.
...And people like you, who convince us that the ONLY factors are completely our fault. Were you ever overweight?

Obesity is invariably caused by too much food, too little exercise and a lack of moral fibre.

Obesity is a question of morality?

It's very easy to become overweight in a society that allows otherwise healthy young people in full time employment to barely walk a few feet in a week.

...And people like you, who convince us that the ONLY factors are completely our fault. Were you ever overweight?

I was and it was completely my fault no other factors.

I dislike it when people willfully let themselves get obese. And by that I mean people that have no medical or mental conditions that would lead to them become seriously overweight, the only blame going to poor eating habits and lack of exercise.

Now, I understand that some people are genetically predisposed to being overweight. One of my best friend's entire family is like that. However, for me there's a huge difference between 'overweight' and 'obese', especially in today's skinny-obsessed society.

Obesity is invariably caused by too much food, too little exercise and a lack of moral fibre.

There have been plenty of criminals who ate too much, didn't exercise and weren't obese, so therefore your statement is incorrect. Unless of course by moral fibre you mean some sort of dietry supplement?

Obesity is a question of morality?

Many people forget that self control is a question of morality, and obese people suffer from something called gluttony.

Now, I understand that some people are genetically predisposed to being overweight. One of my best friend's entire family is like that. However, for me there's a huge difference between 'overweight' and 'obese', especially in today's skinny-obsessed society.

The "skinny-obsessed society" probably makes it worse. Many people will never be "skinny", so they might give up trying.

I dislike it when people willfully let themselves get obese. And by that I mean people that have no medical or mental conditions that would lead to them become seriously overweight, the only blame going to poor eating habits and lack of exercise.

I wonder how often this happens? Do these people tell themselves, "Gee, I'd really like to be obese! I think I will willfully try to gain weight, because that will really make my life better!"

Obesity is a question of morality?
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...And people like you, who convince us that the ONLY factors are completely our fault. Were you ever overweight?
No. I have three generations of military behind me, and although I have chosen the life of a corporate drone, I still fit in a daily run with pack and basic weight training. Midnight or 6am, I don't care. I work in an office, a workshop, sometimes on site, and find there is time. There is no reason why anyone else can't do likewise, except neglecting to develop willpower and a certain strength of character.

And I doubt there is such a thing as Siberian soldier genes, the same way as I doubt there is such a thing as an obesity gene. Unless one has been diagnosed with some exotic condition, it is all 100% purely environmental. The factors are 100% in everyone's control. I saw a woman in the supermarket today who was a cube of fat on short stubby legs. Whatever the causes of such neglect of one's health, it does represent a kind of failure.

Why are people fat?

Practice.

Oh and for the record 6ft 1in, 12st. 5lbs, 14% body fat according to a wierd scale thingy.

I eat what I want and walk everywhere I can, do 4 hours football a week and 4 hours longsword training, plus swimming when I can.

I wonder how often this happens? Do these people tell themselves, "Gee, I'd really like to be obese! I think I will willfully try to gain weight, because that will really make my life better!"

I say 'willfully' as in they could have made lifestyle changes that would have allowed for them not to be obese. I'm sorry, but when medical/mental conditions aren't involved I can't see people being able to get truly obese without 'trying'.

Fat people are fat because they are. You can't blame because they eat McDonald's, or because of eating a lot of shit. I used to be 205 lbs. I pretty much only played computer games etc, not really an athletic nerd (No ddr either). Then my freshmen year I joined the rowing team, I've lost 27 lbs since the fall. Honestly, I was fat because I sat on my ass all the time. It's not like I'm eating any less or anything, I just never burned off any weight. I've lost a lot of weight, but I still have work to do, however it makes me laugh when I beat all the skinny kids and such at running or other physical activities. But damn, I still hate seeing 300 lb+ girls wearing tight clothes... I don't even think obese people can really enjoy that either...

However I think it's sick that obesity is considered a disease for people to sell drugs to. It's terrible that this society promotes shitty eating habits and then turns around blaming an imaginary disease (unless the person has a ligitemate eating disorder) for their weight gain.

Oh yeah, "moral fibre" is a British expression which has nothing to do with morality.

The "skinny-obsessed society" probably makes it worse. Many people will never be "skinny", so they might give up trying.

Not to mention that a lot of people are probably considered fat or overweight when they should really be considered average or above average.

i have no pity for fat people. anorexia really isn't a bad thing if you know when to stop.

I wonder how often this happens? Do these people tell themselves, "Gee, I'd really like to be obese! I think I will willfully try to gain weight, because that will really make my life better!"
They give in. It is simple apathy and neglect rather than deliberate sabotage. Equally irresponsible however.

Many people forget that self control is a question of morality,

No, it isn't.

and obese people suffer from something called gluttony.

No, they don't. For them to "suffer" from it, they'd need to be religious and buy into the whole hogwash of "sins."

What do people mean when they say it is fat people's fault for being fat? I would like this explained please. Did these people set out with the goal of becoming fat? And when does this process start? Can we say that a three year old is at fault for being fat? Should we say that a three year old lacked moral fibre?

And even if people did set out with the goal of being fat, how is that anyone's concern? It's their body they can do with it what they like. It's no concern of anyone else's. It is not a moral issue.

The "skinny-obsessed society" probably makes it worse. Many people will never be "skinny", so they might give up trying.


Yea that makes about as much sense as saying thats the reason there are homeless people.

The "money-obsessed society" probably makes it worse. Many people will never be "rich", so they might give up trying.

Those people are simply lazy and lack the willpower and strength of character to work hard and lose weight.

The factors are 100% in everyone's control. I saw a woman in the supermarket today who was a cube of fat on short stubby legs.
I disagree with you. You can't just wake up and "have" willpower like *That*. Sometimes parents raise their kids to be lazy. Sometimes kids are just teased and taunted and lose their willpower because they're convinced there's no hope.

Just because you, or Joe Average on the street, has 'willpower' and is able to stay thin, doesn't mean everyone can. It is NOT within everyone's reach.

No, it isn't.



No, they don't. For them to "suffer" from it, they'd need to be religious and buy into the whole hogwash of "sins."

So your telling me that if you become a slave to your obsessions and impulses you don't have a problem? A murder who is a slave to his obsession to kill is alright. yea... great.

And yes I think they do suffer, when they can't move, their blocked arteries catch up w/them, and they have no energy to do the things they enjoy.

They give in. It is simple apathy and neglect rather than deliberate sabotage. Equally irresponsible however.

What do they give in to? Do you have some sort of ravenous hunger that you are always struggling against? I dont and I'm glad.

I disagree with you. You can't just wake up and "have" willpower like *That*. Sometimes parents raise their kids to be lazy. Sometimes kids are just teased and taunted and lose their willpower because they're convinced there's no hope.

Just because you, or Joe Average on the street, has 'willpower' and is able to stay thin, doesn't mean everyone can. It is NOT within everyone's reach.


So your saying some people are just born superior to others?

i have no pity for fat people. anorexia really isn't a bad thing if you know when to stop.

Anorexia is always a bad thing. Seriously underweight people disturb me just as seriously overweight people. People with any sort of eating disorder should get help with it, because on either side of the spectrum it's very unhealthy (possibly moreso with under-eating?)

i have no pity for fat people. anorexia really isn't a bad thing if you know when to stop.

If you know when to stop it isn't anorexia. Its simply starving yourself.

I disagree with you. You can't just wake up and "have" willpower like *That*. Sometimes parents raise their kids to be lazy. Sometimes kids are just teased and taunted and lose their willpower because they're convinced there's no hope.

Just because you, or Joe Average on the street, has 'willpower' and is able to stay thin, doesn't mean everyone can. It is NOT within everyone's reach.

It's not in everyone's reach to attain a goal of being slim, but it is in everyone's reach to try, and that usually helps alot.

I'm not fat, but heirs what’s going o. there are to many people taking the easy road and going to places like Bk and Mcy d's. Another reason is schools serve crap made at 7:00am when lunch isn’t till 12:00pm. And finally, theirs those stupid pills, there bad and shouldn’t be used, no matter what. Oh and the fact some ppl spend all day in front of the tub and pc without proper exercise (i do traditional karate).

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What do they give in to? Do you have some sort of ravenous hunger that you are always struggling against? I dont and I'm glad.
No, I don't as a matter of fact. But people must notice they are leading an exercise-free lifestyle, eating utter crap, gaining weight, getting short of breath, at some point being diagnosed with high blood pressure. And more and more people are giving into all that, step by step as some sort of inevitability. Believing that afterwards, pills will keep them alive.

What do people mean when they say it is fat people's fault for being fat? I would like this explained please. Did these people set out with the goal of becoming fat? And when does this process start? Can we say that a three year old is at fault for being fat? Should we say that a three year old lacked moral fibre?

And even if people did set out with the goal of being fat, how is that anyone's concern? It's their body they can do with it what they like. It's no concern of anyone else's. It is not a moral issue.

People can be naturally overweight. However, barring medical/mental conditions it takes a level of ignoring what's good for your body to become truly obese. Or other people ignoring what's good your body, in the case of a three-year-old. And honestly, I think that if a parent allows their child to pass from 'overweight' to 'obese', it should possibly considered child abuse.

As well, it's not really any of my business. I don't go up to people who are obese and bitch them out about it. For all I know they're one of the people who's weight is a result of a medical or mental condition. I'm just saying that I personally find it distasteful when people allow themselves to become obese.

If you know when to stop it isn't anorexia. Its simply starving yourself.

Which is still a bad thing.

Which is still a bad thing.

Very much so. In fact its worse because you know full well what you are doing and its not mental fault of your own.

Why the vegetables do you think people are fat?
In America, people have a obsession with food. I mean, anywhere I go, there's some person practically massacreing their food.
I think the problem is due to neglective upbringing. If a parent effectively fixates in their child's mind eating too much is not good, the child won't eat too much.:rolleyes:

Why are people fat?

Because you touch yourself at night.

The way to keep from being fat, like others have said, is to excersise. I eat more than most fat people my own height do and yet I'm fit and surprise surprise, not fat. You can eat whatever and how much ever(?) you want and still not get fat, as long as you use the energy that you have obtained from eating all the junk food you want. I never said it would keep acne away, 'cause if you eat tons of crap and excersise a ton inside, you'll probably still burst out. Kinda off topic, but have we found the true reason for why acne happens/ a real solution for it?

Just cause MacDoanlds sucks shit doesn't mean its their fault. People frikking go there!!!!

No, I don't as a matter of fact. But people must notice they are leading an exercise-free lifestyle, eating utter crap, gaining weight, getting short of breath, at some point being diagnosed with high blood pressure. And more and more people are giving into all that, step by step as some sort of inevitability. Believing that afterwards, pills will keep them alive.

It happens gradually, and it's often dismissed as "growing old". And if you're at a desk all the time, you don't even realize how out of shape you're getting. I got my rude awakening one day when my car broke down. At the time, I was still working somewhere that I could take the bus to. And when I "ran" to the bus stop, like I used to before I got my car, that's when I realized how flabby I'd become.

No, I don't as a matter of fact. But people must notice they are leading an exercise-free lifestyle, eating utter crap, gaining weight, getting short of breath, at some point being diagnosed with high blood pressure. And more and more people are giving into all that, step by step as some sort of inevitability. Believing that afterwards, pills will keep them alive.

I think you'll find that not all people start out thin and become fat but are fat all their lives. Fat kids generally, but not always, become fat adults. What have they given into?

Just cause MacDoanlds sucks shit doesn't mean its their fault. People frikking go there!!!!
Right on, Ulysses89. Write on.:cool:

Because you touch yourself at night.
You're a pig.

[QUOTE=Brains in Tanks]And when does this process start? Can we say that a three year old is at fault for being fat? Should we say that a three year old lacked moral fibre?QUOTE]

I don't know if we can, but I certainly plan to blame little (or big) timmy for his obesity. The little punk should get his act together. When I was three, my parents whipped me if I took a cookie from the cookie jar, and it seems like his should whip him every time he tries to eat food. At the ripe old age of three, you should be mature enough to make the right decisions. Stupid kid.

Yeah, thats right, I fucked up the quote box. I have no earthly idea how I managed that fine piece of work.

Personally I think it's black people's own fault for being black. I mean they could be whiter if they took more effort to stay out of the sun, used more sunscreen and used more skin bleeching treatments. To say that it's genetics is just a cop out. They aren't even trying to become white.

How about all of the above?
Mostly not living a hard lifestyle like our forebears.
Yeah Bears like the Grizzly
*GROWLS*

Personally I think it's black people's own fault for being black. I mean they could be whiter if they took more effort to stay out of the sun, used more sunscreen and used more skin bleeching treatments. To say that it's genetics is just a cop out. They aren't even trying to become white.

Yeah, because thats a comparable scenario :rolleyes:

It happens gradually, and it's often dismissed as "growing old". And if you're at a desk all the time, you don't even realize how out of shape you're getting. I got my rude awakening one day when my car broke down. At the time, I was still working somewhere that I could take the bus to. And when I "ran" to the bus stop, like I used to before I got my car, that's when I realized how flabby I'd become.
A man who is 50, yeah, I can believe that. A man who is 30, no, I can't. I could blame one and not the other. *shrugs*

99% eat too much/not enough exercise.
1% biological/medical conditions.

Yeah, because thats a comparable scenario

I'm going more from the moral viewpoint. To me saying that being fat is a moral failing or due to a lack of will power is similar to racism in that we pick obervable physical features and draw conclusions about a person without basing them on any actual evidence.

ah yes, ragging on fat people, I can see why you would say fat people are gross, some people have legitamate reasons for being fat, like myself. about 3 days after i was born, i was injected with a steroid that caused my body to grow larger that it normaly ever would, like for instance, i am 16, 6 foot 9 and i weigh a little over 300 pounds. I am supposed to stop growing when i am 21, i find it a little od that you people are makeing fun of fat people, if your too much of a ***** to exept the fact that yes indeed there are fat people in the world then you need to get a life.

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I hate fat people. They disgust me and sorry if I sound harsh but I'm speaking my mind. Just yesterday I was out with some friends and there was this massive woman sitting directly across from me, I couldn't eat until she left! What do you think causes people to be fat? I think it's mainly because they eat too much. But sometimes I do think it's a disorder. But, you can't blame it all on your genes.

Yes, being fat is unhealthy, but that doesn't mean you get to judge people who are overweight. There are many different reasons why people are obese. One of the major reasons is emotional overeating, a serious pyschological disorder. Now, this might be hard for you to believe, but, when people with emotional overeating problems are called "fat" and "disgusting" by others, they don't stop overeating. In fact, they eat a little bit more! So you're not really helping the issue. Perhaps you could focus on meeting your full potential as a human (that, is of course, in the case that you are not already) rather than focussing on the flaws or struggles of others.

I'm going more from the moral viewpoint. To me saying that being fat is a moral failing or due to a lack of will power is similar to racism in that we pick obervable physical features and draw conclusions about a person without basing them on any actual evidence.

Ok, fair enough that may be so, but the colour of your skin cannot be changed as easily as ones weight and health can be. Besides, in the UK obese people (who are obese for non medical reasons) are now being criticised for the amount they are costing the NHS per year.

Why is it that I eat as much as I want but I'm not obese? Is it because I have a big store of moral fibre that I'm not aware of that is somehow magically keeping me thin? Or is it because I have a body that stops packing on pounds once I reach a certain limit. One of these ideas is supported by scientific evidence, the other isn't.

Obese people generally have bodies that pack on a lot of fat. They can go down a dress size or two by eating healthily and exercising but most cannot become thin without suffering hunger all the time. I would not ask anyone to suffer from constant hunger just because I think they should look more fashionable.

Ok, fair enough that may be so, but the colour of your skin cannot be changed as easily as ones weight and health can be.

I would say the opposite is true. For a couple thousand dollars you can get your skin bleached in a day and you become whiter. But lots of obese people spend thousands of dollars on weight watchers, diet food, exercise equipment and so on without becoming thin.

2 words: McD's.
Wait, thats one word.

Because you touch yourself at night.
Not likely. Looking at breast is good for you.
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2 words: McD's.
Wait, thats one word.
That's not even a word, as words are composed of collections of syllables. That's just an unpronouncable collection of letters created by people who are too lazy to say the full word.

People are big because there is not enough PE in schools, and I don't just mean jumping-jacks. I mean there needs to be fencing, swimming, jogging, and other sports that get people involved. McDonalds does have something to do with it to, but if people got out more, and if school children hade more PE, the world would be alot skinner.

Why is it that I eat as much as I want but I'm not obese? Is it because I have a big store of moral fibre that I'm not aware of that is somehow magically keeping me thin? Or is it because I have a body that stops packing on pounds once I reach a certain limit. One of these ideas is supported by scientific evidence, the other isn't.

Obese people generally have bodies that pack on a lot of fat. They can go down a dress size or two by eating healthily and exercising but most cannot become thin without suffering hunger all the time. I would not ask anyone to suffer from constant hunger just because I think they should look more fashionable.

And there's a difference between having a body that packs on fat, and being seriously obese. There's only so much fat your body will pack on naturally if you eat healthy and do some amount of exercise. The people I consider obese aren't the sort that result from slow metabolism.

Not to defend the moral fibre thing, I think that's just silly. The only reason outside medical and mental problems to become obese is not paying attention to the needs of your body. It's not just about eating less and exercising more, it's about eating the things your body needs to function properly as opposed to having a diet of fast food and pop.

Maybe we should release bears in groccery store and McDonalds.

Not a good idea because some people aren't anorexic like yourself and actually go out and shop for food. McDonald's isn't a good idea either because all the fat people don't even go inside, they use the drive-through...;)

I hate fat people. They disgust me and sorry if I sound harsh but I'm speaking my mind. Just yesterday I was out with some friends and there was this massive woman sitting directly across from me, I couldn't eat until she left! What do you think causes people to be fat? I think it's mainly because they eat too much. But sometimes I do think it's a disorder. But, you can't blame it all on your genes.

One note about this, people are fat because they eat to much, before humans started to create civilizations, they were wandering hunter-gatherers. They adapted to their surroundings by eating a very large meal of food when they could get it and surviving for weeks without food untill the next hunt. As they evolved, food became easier to get so we changed to eating less food at shorter intervals. Now, people eat a lot at short intervals making them fat. Just some insight.:)

It's partly genetic. The tendency to become obese would be pretty advantagious during the stone age, when food was scarece. Skinny people like me probably would have starved to death first.

This isn't the stone age. Therefore, these people are fat.

Also, they don't exercise, which is nobody's fault but their own. I've been trying to gain weight for ages, but I've been failing so far.

In New Zealand it's illegal to sell alcohol to intoxicated people.
I can't see why this shouldnt extend to the sale of fast food to the morbidly obese..

In New Zealand it's illegal to sell alcohol to intoxicated people.
I can't see why this shouldnt extend to the sale of fast food to the morbidly obese..

You can't take their rights away like that.

Thousands of years ago everyone was a hunter/gatherer. Now if your body put on fat easily during good times you could live off it during lean times. However, if you didn't put fat and stayed thin you would be able to move faster and would be a better hunter. Which one is best? Storing fat easily or being a fast hunter? Well actually having both kinds of people around is best for a tribe. Fat people can live off their fat stores during a lean season while fast hunters can catch whatever game is left. If the number of fast hunters increased then there would be less game available per hunter and fat storers would survive better. If the number of fat storers increased then there would be more game for fast hunters and their numbers would increase. And that's why we have both fat people and thin people today. Ain't (simplified) science grand?

Thousands of years ago everyone was a hunter/gatherer. Now if your body put on fat easily during good times you could live off it during lean times. However, if you didn't put fat and stayed thin you would be able to move faster and would be a better hunter. Which one is best? Storing fat easily or being a fast hunter? Well actually having both kinds of people around is best for a tribe. Fat people can live off their fat stores during a lean season while fast hunters can catch whatever game is left. If the number of fast hunters increased then there would be less game available per hunter and fat storers would survive better. If the number of fat storers increased then there would be more game for fast hunters and their numbers would increase. And that's why we have both fat people and thin people today. Ain't (simplified) science grand?

Yes, that explains thin people and overweight people. However, it does not really account for those who are really obese.

You can't take their rights away like that.

I'm not suggesting we do.... they can still kill themselves in a variety of other ways.

The average human being can survive for three weeks without food.

Fat people should just tie themselves to a chair for 3 to 10 weeks (depending on their level of obesity). They'd be given water, washroom breaks, nutrient/vitamin pills, pain killers, and nothing else.

That'll make them loose weight.

Or they could just strand themselves on remote islands and live off of coconuts and pidgeons for three years. That'll work too.

The average human being can survive for three weeks without food.

Fat people should just tie themselves to a chair for 3 to 10 weeks (depending on their level of obesity). They'd be given water, washroom breaks, nutrient/vitamin pills, pain killers, and nothing else.

That'll make them loose weight.

Or they could just strand themselves on remote islands and live off of coconuts and pidgeons for three years. That'll work too.
It doesn't work that way. If you don't eat at all, your body doesn't just take from your fat reserves. It also breaks down some of the proteins in your body at the same time, as well as breaking down your bones slowly. You could very easily kill an obese person by making them go without food for so long.

Yes, that explains thin people and overweight people. However, it does not really account for those who are really obese.

Why not? Really obese people are just super efficent fat storers. In the stone age they would have been the quickest to put on weight during the good times, but also the worst hunters once they had packed on the pounds. However their fat would enable them to survive. Hunter gathers would rarely have access to enough food to become morbidly obese, but in our modern society we have 24 hour access to food.

You can't take their rights away like that.

Yes you can. You just need to silence the fat people who stand up.

...What the hell am I saying? Fat people stand up?

I lawl at my self.

The average human being can survive for three weeks without food.

Fat people should just tie themselves to a chair for 3 to 10 weeks (depending on their level of obesity). They'd be given water, washroom breaks, nutrient/vitamin pills, pain killers, and nothing else.

That'll make them loose weight.

And then they would put it all back on plus more. The human body reacts to starvation by storing more fat when food is availible. This is why yo-yo dieting doesn't work. Just look at Oprah.

As paradoxical as it sounds, if you don't want to gain weight, you shouldn't let yourself get too hungry.

I think there's a hell of a lot more to being fat than over eating. You have to ask why they are doing it. It could be that they are trying to fill an emotional void, but the trouble is the more you eat to try to feel better, the worse you feel and the more you eat. It's a vicious cycle that's hard to break. It's also a form of self-punishment. Loathing yourself and treating your body badly because you feel that you do not deserve better. It may also be for emotional protection, you hide behind the fat hoping that people will leave you alone. The trouble is that some people feel a need to be shitty and make nasty comments. I believe that those are the ones with a real inadequacy, not the obese. If you don't like fat people then don't look at them. No one's forcing you to. Anyway what business is it of yours if they are fat? How is it affecting your quality of life?

Not enough exercise, too much fatty foods, and poor lifestyle habits. Yes, genetics play a part, but you should not blame that completely.

As much has I H A T E McDonalds, you can't blame them for people being fat. No one is forcing these blubberbutts into their restaurants (and I use the term restaurant loosely) and making them eat their hideous slop. :D

McDonald is Gaelic for "world ruler".

Cool, and very fitting.

I hate fat people. They disgust me and sorry if I sound harsh but I'm speaking my mind. Just yesterday I was out with some friends and there was this massive woman sitting directly across from me, I couldn't eat until she left! What do you think causes people to be fat? I think it's mainly because they eat too much. But sometimes I do think it's a disorder. But, you can't blame it all on your genes.

1. If you're so sensative that you can't eat around a fat person, then there's as much wrong with your mind as there is with their body.

2. As to the question, it's been pretty well answered from what I've seen of the thread. People intake more calories than they burn off.
Really, people who are genetically predisposed to be fat are actually being punished for having good genes. In an environment where food is scarce, they'd have an advantage.
I'd blame the state of food and the state of work these days. Most food has way too much fat and too many calories to be good for a regular diet, and people often end up in jobs where most of their time is sedentary but draining. They don't get actual exercise, but by the end of the day they're too tired to feel like being active.

You have to ask why they are doing it. It could be that they are trying to fill an emotional void, but the trouble is the more you eat to try to feel better, the worse you feel and the more you eat. It's a vicious cycle...

That's just a sorry excuse they made up to make themselves feel better - like "attention deficit disorder". ;) Such foggy entities.

Take that fatty! :upyours:

What I really hate is when fat women/girls wear tight clothing, especially skirts! I nearly puke everytime.You know... given the statistical likelihood that you yourself are one of those pale, overweight 15-year-olds living in their parents' basement, I'd be more tolerant of other people's shortcomings, if I were you, eh?

Besides, there's plenty of other more important shit in the world to hate.

That's just a sorry excuse they made up to make themselves feel better - like "attention deficit disorder". ;) Such foggy entities.

:rolleyes: *insert sarcasm* Isn't it wonderful that you are such an understanding person.

Have you ever had a weight problem?

There really is no excuse for being fat, unless you have some medical conditon that keeps you from exercise or soemthing like that. It's really very simple; eat fatty foods without exercising and you will become extremly fat. If you run or swim, you can eat whatever you want and not get fat. I run cross country, and i have trouble keeping my weight above 120 even though i am 6'2, even eating mcds twice a day. Granted, im filling my heart with cholertrol, but eh. . And dont say you dont have time; my dad is an oncologist and still finds time to keep in shape.

There really is no excuse for being fat, unless you have some medical conditon that keeps you from exercise or soemthing like that. It's really very simple; eat fatty foods without exercising and you will become extremly fat. If you run or swim, you can eat whatever you want and not get fat. I run cross country, and i have trouble keeping my weight above 120 even though i am 6'2, even eating mcds twice a day. Granted, im filling my heart with cholertrol, but eh. . And dont say you dont have time; my dad is an oncologist and still finds time to keep in shape.


There's a reason for everything, but sometimes the reasons don't fit your pre-conceived beliefs. Often there is more to being obese than just over eating and no exercise. With some it maybe just that, in others there maybe a whole other amount of reasons and you shouldn't dismiss them just because it doesn't fit into your world view.

It's really very simple; eat fatty foods without exercising and you will become extremly fat.

This statement isn't correct. There are plenty of people who eat fatty foods and don't exercise who don't become fat.

I hate fat people. They disgust me and sorry if I sound harsh but I'm speaking my mind. Just yesterday I was out with some friends and there was this massive woman sitting directly across from me, I couldn't eat until she left!Personally, I am much more disgusted by really skinny people than I am by really fat people. Slim people I have no problem with, but skinny people - no thanks.

I am quite overweight myself, but I think I look really rather good, as most people I meet seem to. I cannot imagine being thin, and really have no desire to either. I would be happy to lose some weight - one or two dress sizes - but I would actively make a point of not going below a (UK) size 16. It just wouldn't suit me.

I hate fat people. They disgust me and sorry if I sound harsh but I'm speaking my mind. Just yesterday I was out with some friends and there was this massive woman sitting directly across from me, I couldn't eat until she left! What do you think causes people to be fat? I think it's mainly because they eat too much. But sometimes I do think it's a disorder. But, you can't blame it all on your genes.

Shit man irratinal hate based soley on apperance. Man we used to call people that thought like that facists!

It's a sign of success.


In America at least...

It's simple. Eating too much and exercising too little. I've yet to see a fat hunter-gatherer.

I am bothered by anti-fat sentiments for a number of reasons.

1) The equating of fat with unhealthy is a dangerous misconception. It is quite possible to be overweight and healthy, and equally possible to be at "ideal weight" and been profoundly unhealthy. Some studies have even demonstrated that "overweight" individuals live longer than their slimmer counterparts. This creates two problems: first, fat people are told they are unhealthy when they often are not, and may be pressured to enter "treatment" for a condition that does not require treatment in the first place. Second, thin people are often assumed to be healthy, when they actually are not, and are not given the necessary warnings and attentive care that they deserve.

2) Our measurements of what is and is not "fat" are totally disconnected from accurate indicators of health. The worst example is BMI. Every member of the NBA is "overweight" to "obese," according to their BMIs. The "ideal BMI range" targetted by the insurance industry is around 25, even though the highest life expectancies are found around BMIs of 35.

3) Aesthetics seem to dictate our feelings about fat, leading us to insist that people sacrifice their health for the sake of looking a certain way. Steady weight gain has been shown to be less harmful than weight cycling (weight gain followed by weight loss followed by weight gain), which is the pattern that is established by the overwhelming majority of "healthy" weight-loss programs that people use to attempt to reach their "right" weight. As our understanding of physiological "set points" increases, it becomes ever more ludicrous to think that all human bodies are supposed to be a particular size or shape.

4) There is not one single "weight loss program" that has been clinically shown to result in effective weight loss for more than a tiny fraction of participants, even when "effective weight loss" is defined as a 5% weight loss. This means that a program would be considered "effective" if a 300 pound person were to lose 15 pounds on that program. Notice that this "effective" weight loss would not bring the "fat" person any where near their "ideal" weight.

5) Weight loss has never been clinically demonstrated to create an increase in longevity. Weight loss has never been linked to decreased mortality. Weight loss and dieting have both been repeatedly linked to increased mortality.

So where does this leave us? Our measures of "fat" and "thin" have little to do with our actual health. We have yet to establish that fat people will become more healthy if we make them diet or enter weight loss programs. Moreover, weight loss programs have never been demonstrated to be an effective means of making people the "right" weight. Finally, even when these programs do have an impact, the impact is harmful far more often than not.

I hate fat people. They disgust me and sorry if I sound harsh but I'm speaking my mind. Just yesterday I was out with some friends and there was this massive woman sitting directly across from me, I couldn't eat until she left! What do you think causes people to be fat? I think it's mainly because they eat too much. But sometimes I do think it's a disorder. But, you can't blame it all on your genes.
People just can't be bothered to exercise or make home-made food anymore.

Apparently I'm obese according to my doctor because I'm 200lbs and 6,0'. I guess the 9% body fat doesn't count there. No wonder 40% of this nation is "obese".

I never had to worry about my weight outside of wrestling what with shifting from 210lbs during the football season to wrestling at 189 and 171.

Take that fatty! :upyours:

What I really hate is when fat women/girls wear tight clothing, especially skirts! I nearly puke everytime.

harsh, but for the most part, fair.

Basically people can be fat for a load of reasons you can't just take any old fat person and say they're fat because they eat too much or they eat crap or they have a slow metabolism, the fact is it can be any one of these things or a combination of them. I found when I started at university I put on a little wieght because I ate less well that when I was at home and I had my mother cooking for me.

Apparently I'm obese according to my doctor because I'm 200lbs and 6,0'. I guess the 9% body fat doesn't count there. No wonder 40% of this nation is "obese".

yup... same here. 220 lbs and 5,11... i don't think i look obese though. fat/overweight, yes, but not "obese"


thing is food is a pleasure. eating is pleasurable - its a direct 'base' pleasure. if you can taste then you can find that pleasure in food... thats what's at the heart of the matter. eating the wrong things or too much (of them) is what causes the fatness in people, physically, but i think its the psychological love of eating and that pleasure (perhaps an addiction, perhaps to fill a gap left by the absence of other pleasures in life, perhaps because of insecurity or unhappiness) that is the root cause behind that.

i'm not saying all fat people are unhappy, for the record, but i do think there is some profound or deep-lying psychological reason behind why one eats too much or too much of the wrong kind of thing. either that, or simply a skew in that the pleasure of eating outweighs the pleasure one gets from doing other things - in which case those other things should, for the sake of health, be willingly done in preference to eating. thats the psychological aspect of losing weight or exercise/diet regimes imho

but i'm babbling now... and, of course, it is far easier to say these things than to do them. plus, genetics and metabolism have to be taken into account... like jack dee says "its not fair. i only have to look at a sandwich to put on weight.... mostly because i'm eating cake at the time" :p

yup... same here. 220 lbs and 5,11... i don't think i look obese though. fat/overweight, yes, but not "obese"

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Yikes!! I'm 5'11" & 1/2 and I'm 220 also.

You know how when people go on holiday, the tend to eat a lot and gain a lot. Well, i did the eat a lot part, but only lost weight, and ever sinse (that was last summer) I haven't gained anything really at all, maybe even losing some more.

So, coming to my conclusion, it depends on a lot of things, ofcourse it has a lot to do with what you eat, but genetics is an important factor. But also just surroundings, let's say if someone is under a lot of pressure, that will have a big effect too

Meh, you take a species that has evolved through hunting and gathering, then labor-intensive farming, and then put it in a situation where it sits more or less still all day and in the presence of easy food availability it's bound to get fat. That's why exercise is so important. You need to burn off at least as many calories as your ancestors did.

No. I have three generations of military behind me, and although I have chosen the life of a corporate drone, I still fit in a daily run with pack and basic weight training. Midnight or 6am, I don't care. I work in an office, a workshop, sometimes on site, and find there is time. There is no reason why anyone else can't do likewise, except neglecting to develop willpower and a certain strength of character.

And I doubt there is such a thing as Siberian soldier genes, the same way as I doubt there is such a thing as an obesity gene. Unless one has been diagnosed with some exotic condition, it is all 100% purely environmental. The factors are 100% in everyone's control. I saw a woman in the supermarket today who was a cube of fat on short stubby legs. Whatever the causes of such neglect of one's health, it does represent a kind of failure.

Um, you realize the surest way to be wrong is to use 100% in your statement, yes?

I agree that there is clearly a lot of factors that are under our control. Now, we have people who absolutely need to get as much excercise as possible sitting in motorized vehicles to shop. The amount of food intake is a problem. The type of food (processed) is a problem. The lack of activity and outright excercise is a problem.

And there are factors that are not in one's control. You can find two people doing equal amounts wrong and one can be morbidly obese and one can be skinny. And some things are things that WERE within their control but no longer are. I subscribe to the theory that our activity as a teenager effects our metabolism for the rest of our lives moreso than any activity after we finish puberty, so the teenagers who spend their entire adolescence on the couch eating and playing video games are going to have to fight a much harder battle than the teenager who spent high school excercising 6 hours a day or more.

I agree there are very few people who are morbidly obese who cannot correct the problem themselves if they were willing to work at it. However, it's ridiculous to suggest that there are no other factors than those in their current control.

Apparently I'm obese according to my doctor because I'm 200lbs and 6,0'. I guess the 9% body fat doesn't count there. No wonder 40% of this nation is "obese".

I never had to worry about my weight outside of wrestling what with shifting from 210lbs during the football season to wrestling at 189 and 171.

Most obesity studies that I've read use body fat percentages as a measure of obesity. I weigh slightly more than you and am just barely taller and I have never had a doctor tell me I needed to lose weight.

Apparently I'm obese according to my doctor because I'm 200lbs and 6,0'. I guess the 9% body fat doesn't count there. No wonder 40% of this nation is "obese".

I never had to worry about my weight outside of wrestling what with shifting from 210lbs during the football season to wrestling at 189 and 171.

WTF? According to the BMI, I'm overweight at 6'1" 205 lbs, but not obese. Your doctor's an idiot.

Yikes!! I'm 5'11" & 1/2 and I'm 220 also.
we're obviously twins! :p

Your doctor's an idiot.

I agree. Just glad I'm not going to him anymore.

I hate fat people. They disgust me and sorry if I sound harsh but I'm speaking my mind. Just yesterday I was out with some friends and there was this massive woman sitting directly across from me, I couldn't eat until she left! What do you think causes people to be fat? I think it's mainly because they eat too much. But sometimes I do think it's a disorder. But, you can't blame it all on your genes.
*giggles at the skinny scumbag*

u funnie!

I am bothered by anti-fat sentiments for a number of reasons.

1) The equating of fat with unhealthy is a dangerous misconception. It is quite possible to be overweight and healthy, and equally possible to be at "ideal weight" and been profoundly unhealthy. Some studies have even demonstrated that "overweight" individuals live longer than their slimmer counterparts. This creates two problems: first, fat people are told they are unhealthy when they often are not, and may be pressured to enter "treatment" for a condition that does not require treatment in the first place. Second, thin people are often assumed to be healthy, when they actually are not, and are not given the necessary warnings and attentive care that they deserve.

2) Our measurements of what is and is not "fat" are totally disconnected from accurate indicators of health. The worst example is BMI. Every member of the NBA is "overweight" to "obese," according to their BMIs. The "ideal BMI range" targetted by the insurance industry is around 25, even though the highest life expectancies are found around BMIs of 35.

3) Aesthetics seem to dictate our feelings about fat, leading us to insist that people sacrifice their health for the sake of looking a certain way. Steady weight gain has been shown to be less harmful than weight cycling (weight gain followed by weight loss followed by weight gain), which is the pattern that is established by the overwhelming majority of "healthy" weight-loss programs that people use to attempt to reach their "right" weight. As our understanding of physiological "set points" increases, it becomes ever more ludicrous to think that all human bodies are supposed to be a particular size or shape.

4) There is not one single "weight loss program" that has been clinically shown to result in effective weight loss for more than a tiny fraction of participants, even when "effective weight loss" is defined as a 5% weight loss. This means that a program would be considered "effective" if a 300 pound person were to lose 15 pounds on that program. Notice that this "effective" weight loss would not bring the "fat" person any where near their "ideal" weight.

5) Weight loss has never been clinically demonstrated to create an increase in longevity. Weight loss has never been linked to decreased mortality. Weight loss and dieting have both been repeatedly linked to increased mortality.

So where does this leave us? Our measures of "fat" and "thin" have little to do with our actual health. We have yet to establish that fat people will become more healthy if we make them diet or enter weight loss programs. Moreover, weight loss programs have never been demonstrated to be an effective means of making people the "right" weight. Finally, even when these programs do have an impact, the impact is harmful far more often than not.

I agree with most of this. Effective programs for the obese or morbidly obese individuals (I think this should be measured as a consideration for body fat percentage and health), should focus on upping muscle percentage and lowering fat percentage SLOWLY. The vast majority of widespread diet programs are famous because they are fast and almost assuredly UNHEALTHY. People don't like long, slow, healthy diets. They like short, fast, unhealthy diets. This skews any data related to looking at generalized dieting.

Look at generalized dieting is like look at generalized television and saying that television can't be educational. The demand for educational programs is low and so is the demand for healthy, slow diets.

That aside, people should be encourage to focus on health instead of weight. This means the unhealthy skinny person should get into better eating habits. The unhealthy average-looking person should improve their habits. And the unhealthy fat person should improve their habits. This also means that we should recognize that people who are healthy will not all look alike and will mostly never look like Brad Pitt or Gwenyth Paltrow.

The problem that so many here evidence is our unhealthy obsession with appearance (particularly the OP) while not addressing overall health. We're a country of quick fixes and examining the health of our population is just too much work so we put them in convenient little categories like fat and skinny, much like white and black and rich and poor.

Sweeping generalizations are so much easier, no?

I really hate fat people and I have no sympathy for them, stop eating you fatties!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:upyours: :headbang: :upyours:

I hate fat people. They disgust me and sorry if I sound harsh but I'm speaking my mind. Just yesterday I was out with some friends and there was this massive woman sitting directly across from me, I couldn't eat until she left! What do you think causes people to be fat? I think it's mainly because they eat too much. But sometimes I do think it's a disorder. But, you can't blame it all on your genes.

Here's my advice. Walk over to the mirror. Say to yourself, my value is not decided by other people. Get some self-esteem. Problem solved.

Healthy people do have difficulty eating because they don't find someone else attractive. If you can't be arsed to address your own self-esteem issues then here's a thought, close your eyes. That 'massive' woman MAY be unhealthy, but I'd say we have far more evidence that you are.

I really hate fat people and I have no sympathy for them, stop eating you fatties!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:upyours: :headbang: :upyours:

Thanks for your contribution to the thread. We always welcome some reasoned and, well, beautifully-scripted arguments.

That's just a sorry excuse they made up to make themselves feel better - like "attention deficit disorder". ;) Such foggy entities.

Achually ADD is very real. It just isn't the 'mental disorder' that most people think it to be...

has anyone ever been stuck in the coach section on a plane... between two huge people?

Man, it sucks.

"Sure, man, take up half of my seat too."

That's not even a word, as words are composed of collections of syllables. That's just an unpronouncable collection of letters created by people who are too lazy to say the full word.
Which is why people get fat.

I think that there is a definite difference between "overweight", "fat" and "obese". Let's face it, unless everyone on this forum is a muscle bound god, we shouldnt be so quick to jump in.

Overweight (maybe 1 or 2 stones over your ideal weight based on height) is not really a massive health issue as longs as you are fit, nor is it particularly repulsive. Fair enough, you could maybe lose a couple of pounds, but it's not a crisis

Fat ( up to maybe five stones over) is starting to get serious, healthwise but still IMHO not so bad that you couldn't eat in the same place as them (although you wouldn't like to see them naked). You should really be making a concerted effort to diet/excercise more.

Obese (anyone under 60 who buys one of those scooter things) means you'll be lucky to live past 45, and you are fairly nasty to look at. Change your lifestyle now.

BTW If you saw someone with a hideous scar, etc, would that stop you eating your meal too?

I think that there is a definite difference between "overweight", "fat" and "obese". Let's face it, unless everyone on this forum is a muscle bound god, we shouldnt be so quick to jump in.

Overweight (maybe 1 or 2 stones over your ideal weight based on height) is not really a massive health issue as longs as you are fit, nor is it particularly repulsive. Fair enough, you could maybe lose a couple of pounds, but it's not a crisis

Fat ( up to maybe five stones over) is starting to get serious, healthwise but still IMHO not so bad that you couldn't eat in the same place as them (although you wouldn't like to see them naked). You should really be making a concerted effort to diet/excercise more.

Obese (anyone under 60 who buys one of those scooter things) means you'll be lucky to live past 45, and you are fairly nasty to look at. Change your lifestyle now.

BTW If you saw someone with a hideous scar, etc, would that stop you eating your meal too?
I agree fat, obese and overweight are different.

I think what most people are talking about here is obese, rather than just fat

I think that there is a definite difference between "overweight", "fat" and "obese". Let's face it, unless everyone on this forum is a muscle bound god, we shouldnt be so quick to jump in.

Overweight (maybe 1 or 2 stones over your ideal weight based on height) is not really a massive health issue as longs as you are fit, nor is it particularly repulsive. Fair enough, you could maybe lose a couple of pounds, but it's not a crisis

Fat ( up to maybe five stones over) is starting to get serious, healthwise but still IMHO not so bad that you couldn't eat in the same place as them (although you wouldn't like to see them naked). You should really be making a concerted effort to diet/excercise more.

Obese (anyone under 60 who buys one of those scooter things) means you'll be lucky to live past 45, and you are fairly nasty to look at. Change your lifestyle now.

BTW If you saw someone with a hideous scar, etc, would that stop you eating your meal too?
What in the scubadiving fuck is a "stone"? I am blaiming this one on the Brits.

I think what most people are talking about here is obese, rather than just fat
I agree, i have fat am i fat.[/subconscious]

What in the scubadiving fuck is a "stone"? I am blaiming this one on the Brits.

14lbs, about 6.5 kgs.

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Anywhere people eat for pleasure it is inevitable that this abuse will occur.

Genetics are not an excuse, we're all individuals and we all have to discover what we can and can't eat to remain healthy.

In America there's quite a buck to made in fattening them up, another making them think they are undesirable, a slew of gimmicks to avoid any real effort to remedy things brings in the big bucks, another few to sell them healthy food and an annual fees from the Health Club (gym). For the real hard cases we have expensive things such as surgery, liposuction and those tables where the electrodes make your muscles move instead of you, all are cash cows.

Now, how many pennyweights in a Stone?

What in the scubadiving fuck is a "stone"? I am blaiming this one on the Brits.

Sorry, my fault. Stupid metric,

A stone is about 6 kilogrammes

"What the scubadiving fucK" is brilliant. I may have to start using it all the time.

Now, how many pennyweights in a Stone?

four thousand, eighty three and one third pennyweights.

14lbs, about 6.5 kgs.
What in the bus-riding fuck is a kg?:p

Seriously, why would anybody use/need a unit of measurement that has a base unit of 14 lbs?

Sorry, my fault. Stupid metric,

A stone is about 6 kilogrammes

"What the scubadiving fucK" is brilliant. I may have to start using it all the time.
Meh, I thought "flying fuck" was too over used. Still, my countries schools think we are metric and I have never heard of it before.

I don't see how this is such an issue. Being fat is no different from being anything. Loads of people i know call themselves fat despite not being a problem. I hate the fact that fat people can be subjected to such unsocial behavior. No offence but every difference that can be seen seems to be an excuse to judge.

I feel that most fat people are weak. But that does not mean that we need to point it out or remind them how insignificant and unnatractive they are. People too easily find a reason to cause conflict rather than to just not pay attention.

What in the bus-riding fuck is a kg?

I'm not entirely sure, but I believe the original one is in Paris. (Which is why the US will never accept it. But if they just told americans that it was 'german' and engineered by BMW, they'd be all over that shit, bragging about their 'quality' new luxury european measurement :rolleyes: ).

Seriously, why would anybody use/need a unit of measurement that has a base unit of 14 lbs?

It's something to do with talents and the long tonne.

Or possibly just that the british hate base ten.

I'm not entirely sure, but I believe the original one is in Paris. (Which is why the US will never accept it. But if they just told americans that it was 'german' and engineered by BMW, they'd be all over that shit, bragging about their 'quality' new luxury european measurement :rolleyes: ).
It actually is (or was) in the constitution somewhere that metric system was to be the official messurement system of the US. but then it had to go be a communist plot and all.


It's something to do with talents and the long tonne.

Or possibly just that the british hate base ten.
They must make division impossible don't they.

I've just recently lost 35KG (over 70lb) and have to say in my case it was a simple matter of overeating. Granted, there are some genetic disorders and people with mildly slow metabolisms that can cause them to start gaining weight sooner than others, but you ADJUST FOR IT. One thing that irks me now is people who blame their medication for their weight problems - yes I used to do that myself. Once I realised that it was just my eating habits that was the cause, and not the medication (although two of those I take do affect weight), I was able to work around it. I'm now enjoying being able to fit into 92cm/36" jeans again and feel fantastic.

McDonalds isn't to blame; you can make the decision to order a salad or walk straight past the golden arches. Anyone who claims that they are making people "fat" is sadly misguided. That said I don't look upon fat people as subhuman, it's a lifestyle choice being overweight. You control your own destiny as far as your weight is concerned. :cool:

My Great Uncle was 22 stone.:D

They must make division impossible don't they.

Seriously, they like it that way.

My grandmother never really accepted the 'new' money. She thought a pound should be twenty shillings in a pound, and twelve pence in a shilling.

Then there was stuff to do with guineas, tanners and florins. I mean, for gods sake, what in the hell is a 'thrupenny' bit.

Personally, I think they just do it to be obnoxious.

I feel that most fat people are weak.

I don't.

Although the post I pulled this sentence out of was mostly positive I feel I have to point out that when ordinary everyday people are faced with the opportunity to risk their lives to help others, fat people are just as likely to put their lives on the line as thin people. When the bravery awards are handed out in Australia each year the people who get them usually look like typical Australians and range from fat to thin.

(Of course, very obese people may be less capable of saving people. It isn't easy for someone who is 70 kilos overweight to run through a burning building, but sometimes they still do it anyway.)

One thing that irks me now is people who blame their medication for their weight problems - yes I used to do that myself. Once I realised that it was just my eating habits that was the cause, and not the medication (although two of those I take do affect weight), I was able to work around it. I'm now enjoying being able to fit into 92cm/36" jeans again and feel fantastic.

There are some genuine cases of medication causing people to gain weight (although not many). For example, I went on a course of medication for migraines which made me gain 15 kilos in 4 weeks when I was younger. However , the problem was, with the extra weight I both felt miserable and was less inclined to exercise, so it took me a long time to lose the weight again.

I am now also back in a 36" waist

My Great Uncle was 18 stone.

How tall and heavily built was he though?

Strictly speaking we should all be talking about BMI and BFP rather than weight.

If people didnt eat as mutch meat as they do now, it woudl solve more then one problem in this world.
But in UsA and increasingly in other western countries Mcd and other large companys do their best to make the people fatter and wanting more. :upyours:

If people didnt eat as mutch meat as they do now, it woudl solve more then one problem in this world.
But in UsA and increasingly in other western countries Mcd and other large companys do their best to make the people fatter and wanting more. :upyours:

Not the meat. It's the sugar and the potatoes.

There are some genuine cases of medication causing people to gain weight (although not many). For example, I went on a course of medication for migraines which made me gain 15 kilos in 4 weeks when I was younger. However , the problem was, with the extra weight I both felt miserable and was less inclined to exercise, so it took me a long time to lose the weight again.

I am now also back in a 36" waist



How tall and heavily built was he though?

Strictly speaking we should all be talking about BMI and BFP rather than weight.
I changed it to 22, he was about 6'2" and verey muscular

poor quality meat is bad, particularly in ready meals, etc as they load them with sugar and saturated fats. Lean meat is fine.

KG is short for kilogram

there is a 1000 gramms in on kg.

One Kg is originally the same mass as one litre of water (in weight of course)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilogram

1kg equals 2.2 pounds

1kg equals 0.15747304888136657 stone

http://www.metric-conversions.org/weight/kilogram-conversion.htm

Most people are fat cuz they are eating too much. Few are fat cuz of medical problems.

Not the meat. It's the sugar and the potatoes.

Also frutose found in soft drinks and some processed foods. Animals that are fed frutose get way fat.

Also frutose found in soft drinks and some processed foods. Animals that are fed frutose get way fat.

True that.

It's in everything. That's why I don't eat processed food.

People should cut down their portions.

People should cut down their portions.

I'm not taking a knife to my portion.

I'm tempted to make a poll about why people are thin.
On most of our planet, the dearth of food is more of an issue than obesitas gravitas.

I disagree with many of these opinions. I find that most "overweight" individuals simply have a low metabolism. I know a couple of people that would nowadays be considered fat but most of their problem is their genes. They don't eat much and some are actively involved in sports. If you think about it, a low metabolism would be a very useful trait several hundred years ago. Those who had it would not need to eat much and would constantly carry with them a supply of food. Those with a low metabolism would be most likely to survive.

I get disgusted by fat people as well. And I don't mean the ones who carry around some extra kilos but the ones who have giant bellies hanging just above their thighs (sp?). I'm so disgusted by them I can't be in the same room as them without feeling very uncomfortable. And I pity them. A lot.
In Sweden, this far, we've been spared pretty well for obesity but recent reports on the matter says we're getting obese pretty fast here to.

I hate the fact that fatties can't control themselves. Because while some are fat due to a medical condition most fatties are fat because they eat like a horse and excersise by moving between the couch and the fridge. They not only can't control themselves but burden society with high costs because of what illnesses their obesity gifts them with. I'm fully aware that smokers (and other addicts) do the same but at the rate obesity is spreading...normal weight people will soon end up as stuffed specimens in the historic section in the museums.

I weigh too much myself. Much too much, I'm 189cm tall and my weight is 130kg. I'm extremely disgusted by myself. I almost feel sick when I catch a glance of my body, in the mirror, in the bathroom after taking a shower. My only luck in the matter is that I'm pretty tall and that the my huge overweight isn't as obvious as it could have been. I'm fat because I eat the wrong food, eat only twice a day, eat too much when I do, don't sport and move around as much as a lame snail.
Ironically my girlfriend makes it worse for me (even though we both love each other). She sports a few times a week, almost has visible squares on her belly and eats healthy vegetarian food. Beeing fat and having a very fit hardbody girlfriend doesn't provoke the feeling of "getting proud because I can get a good looking girl despite me beeing fat", it just makes me feel even more sick about myself. I guess I'm lucky she doesn't share my own view of fatties.

Anyway, after over 10 years of beeing a fatty I've started to work out and I've joined the weight watchers two weeks ago. I got results on the first week. If everything goes like planned I'll reach a healthy weight before a year has passed.

If someone would ask me why I didn't do something about my weight earlier in my life I honestly couldn't give a satisfactory answer. I simply don't know why. I can only guess, based on myself, that people need some trigger, something radical, to change their lives. Because beeing fat is actually getting more and more accepted. Just look at the wierdos who preach that fat is beautiful. Some pervs might love the look of an naked obese woman/man but the "fat is beautiful" crow don't seem to mind that obesity kills just as sure as bullet. It just takes a little longer.

A few weeks ago I saw several different health shows on tv and in one of them there was this very obese woman who told the story of her life. They showed pictures of her in all her obese glory and it got me really sick. The same week a friend of mine, who has been a weight watcher for some time, calculated how many points I eat on a typical day (the weight watchers have a point system for food and food intake) and I ate like...twice the amount I should (Not literally twice the amount of proper food but in cookies and candy). Later in the week I went through my wardrobe as I was doing laundry and looked at all the clothes that fit me when I was normal weight. I love those clothes but they didn't fit me anymore. When outsise my appartment I was getting paranoid because I was feeling, more and more often, that peoples stares burned holes in my back. After almost 10 years the facts hit me with frightening clarity. Beeing obese is self destructive and at the rate I was going I doubt I'd live past my 40:th birthday. If even that. It's strange how the mind can deny even the most obvious facts to oneself.

I've got no idea what I really want to say with this post, that has turned into a rant. I guess...yelling at fat people that they need exersise and, in other ways, increasing their guilt feelings is the wrong way. Most fat people know they're fat, most of them feel horrible because of it to. I know I did. I really felt like dieing at times and when people told me that I needed to loose weight I felt even worse. Do you know what many people do in order to cope with self hating? They eat. I know I did.

Eating too much is obviously the direct reason, but I think the deep rooted reason is bad upbringing. Most bad habits seem to be learned early in life, or that's atleast my observation.

I get disgusted by fat people as well. And I don't mean the ones who carry around some extra kilos but the ones who have giant bellies hanging just above their thighs (sp?). I'm so disgusted by them I can't be in the same room as them without feeling very uncomfortable. And I pity them. A lot.

That's okay. I'm sure they have a lot of pity for someone so shallow that they can't 'be in the same room' with someone because of how they look. I know I do. Perhaps if you want to begin addressing this problem you could look internally and try to figure out what is broken inside you that you are UNABLE to do something because of the looks of someone else.

I disagree with many of these opinions. I find that most "overweight" individuals simply have a low metabolism. I know a couple of people that would nowadays be considered fat but most of their problem is their genes. They don't eat much and some are actively involved in sports. If you think about it, a low metabolism would be a very useful trait several hundred years ago. Those who had it would not need to eat much and would constantly carry with them a supply of food. Those with a low metabolism would be most likely to survive.

The ones most likely to survive certainly weren't generally becoming morbidly obese. Yes, some people have medical problems causing obesity, but mostly we are a nation that is not active enough, eats portions that are MUCH too large and we eat processed foods and a VERY unbalanced diet. That is the problem.