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Tiny dog takes on pit bull, wins

The Associated Press
Published April 24, 2006, 7:26 AM CDT


The owner of a 10-pound Pomeranian was cited by animal control authorities in Waukegan after the dog attacked a much larger pit bull.

Garry Laffredi says he was walking his 2-year-old pit bull named Capone last week when a neighbor's Pomeranian came running at them.

The Pomeranian bit Capone's foot and drew blood. He also nicked the top of Capone's head as Laffredi tried to pull the 80-pound pit bull away.

The owner of the Pomeranian was issued four citations. Each citation carries a $25 fine.

Animal Warden Tina Fragassi said she was not surprised when she learned of the attack because little dogs often "stand their ground."

Small dogs are often quite aggressive, and will bite with little provocation. Larger animals are often breed to be more docile, as they're big enough to be actual threats to humans.

Let's face it, a pissed mini-pin isn't a threat to anyone unless you find laughter horrifying. They are gutsy little bastards.

Tiny dog takes on pit bull, wins

The Associated Press
Published April 24, 2006, 7:26 AM CDT


The owner of a 10-pound Pomeranian was cited by animal control authorities in Waukegan after the dog attacked a much larger pit bull.

Garry Laffredi says he was walking his 2-year-old pit bull named Capone last week when a neighbor's Pomeranian came running at them.

The Pomeranian bit Capone's foot and drew blood. He also nicked the top of Capone's head as Laffredi tried to pull the 80-pound pit bull away.

The owner of the Pomeranian was issued four citations. Each citation carries a $25 fine.

Animal Warden Tina Fragassi said she was not surprised when she learned of the attack because little dogs often "stand their ground."

Bit of a no-win-scenario, really.

If the guy holds his pitbull back, it gets bitten by some rat with a bad attitude... but, if he lets his dog go, it bits the pomeranian in half, and he gets his dog terminated.

I'd have kicked the Pomeranian into the nearest tree.

Pit bulls are now banned in Ontario. If you are an owner, you can keep the present one until it dies and that is the end of it.

http://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/about/pubs/dola-pubsfty/dola-pubsfty.asp#TOC_08

That's just stupid.

Pit bulls are now banned in Ontario. If you are an owner, you can keep the present one until it dies and that is the end of it.
they tried to ban them here, but it didn't work, now they are trying to pass a law that says if you have a large dog that may be considered a threat to people by it's nature (or something else way broad) that you have to buy $100,000 insurance.

The law is so badly written and uspecific that even my vet can't tell me if my dog counts. Luckily my dog doesn't have much wolf in him or he would be banned anyway.

Animal abuse!

*calls PETA*

You, sir, shall never post here again!

Pit bulls are now banned in Ontario. If you are an owner, you can keep the present one until it dies and that is the end of it.

http://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/about/pubs/dola-pubsfty/dola-pubsfty.asp#TOC_08

Yes, Dalton McGuintey's a twat. :mad:

People always forget dalmations are vicious too, but of course they have Disney doing PR.

Pit Bull owners need to get Homeward Bound on TV more often.
And I will continue to not watch TV.

Yes, Dalton McGuintey's a twat. :mad:

People always forget dalmations are vicious too, but of course they have Disney doing PR.

Pit Bull owners need to get Homeward Bound on TV more often.
And I will continue to not watch TV.

It is all about PR.

I have never been bitten by a 'big' dog, but I've been bitten dozens of times by 'small' dogs.

The difference is - one bite from a 'big' dog does damage - so that's what catches the press. It doesn't matter that that 'one bite' is the exception.

We frown upon complaining about getting bitten by 'little dogs'... and we ignore that most 'small breeds' were BRED to be savage (for baiting, or hunting or 'ratting')... because we accept 'small is cute'.

My cat would of eaten the dog. ^.^

It is all about PR.

I have never been bitten by a 'big' dog, but I've been bitten dozens of times by 'small' dogs.

The difference is - one bite from a 'big' dog does damage - so that's what catches the press. It doesn't matter that that 'one bite' is the exception.

We frown upon complaining about getting bitten by 'little dogs'... and we ignore that most 'small breeds' were BRED to be savage (for baiting, or hunting or 'ratting')... because we accept 'small is cute'.


Its the owner, not the dog.

A majority of the folks who have pit bulls want that personae they feel comes with the dog. They're the ones that have a 50 or 60 pound dog pull them down the street as if they were being pulled by a tractor. They want a "macho" aggressive dog. How often are the ywearing a hat on sideways with a similar silver necklace that looks like a dog collar.

I had a large dog that was raised badly maul me as a teenager-it bit through both hands, both forearms and into one bicep and I need to have help to get away from it. in spite of my size and strength. It was over a 10 minute struggle, which I dont think the average person can appreciate.
Now, if any dog, large or small looked funny at my kids or wife, I would strangle it with its collar or bludgeon it to death with whatever was available.

Between my experience and a friend whose child had her face disfigured by a "cute" little dog, I wont let someone else learn the lesson if I can prevent it.

Its the owner, not the dog.

A majority of the folks who have pit bulls want that personae they feel comes with the dog. They're the ones that have a 50 or 60 pound dog pull them down the street as if they were being pulled by a tractor. They want a "macho" aggressive dog. How often are the ywearing a hat on sideways with a similar silver necklace that looks like a dog collar.

I had a large dog that was raised badly maul me as a teenager-it bit through both hands, both forearms and into one bicep and I need to have help to get away from it. in spite of my size and strength. It was over a 10 minute struggle, which I dont think the average person can appreciate.
Now, if any dog, large or small looked funny at my kids or wife, I would strangle it with its collar or bludgeon it to death with whatever was available.

Between my experience and a friend whose child had her face disfigured by a "cute" little dog, I wont let someone else learn the lesson if I can prevent it.

yeah, I saw my friend get her scalp ripped off by a pit bull when I was 5, I probably don't have the most unbiased view of them, add to that, most of the pits around here are "fighting dogs" and trained to attack, and yeah, if I see one in my yard I call the pound.

I always wonder though, when I see them why they always have them on a rope instead of a leash... is it a fashion thing? they are always on a harness, a rope, and wearing a muzzle, all the while pulling their owner down the street.

I know that someone down the street had theirs chained to a cinder block, to "develop his shoulders", I called animal control, they picked up the dog and fined the owner.

yeah, I saw my friend get her scalp ripped off by a pit bull when I was 5, I probably don't have the most unbiased view of them, add to that, most of the pits around here are "fighting dogs" and trained to attack, and yeah, if I see one in my yard I call the pound.

I always wonder though, when I see them why they always have them on a rope instead of a leash... is it a fashion thing? they are always on a harness, a rope, and wearing a muzzle, all the while pulling their owner down the street.

I know that someone down the street had theirs chained to a cinder block, to "develop his shoulders", I called animal control, they picked up the dog and fined the owner.

blithering,fucking morons. The harness teached them to pull. Put down the owners and the dogs.

I had 100lb plus Alaskan Malamutes-bred to pull. They wore very light collars correctly and never pulled me on a leash- they were well raised, well cared for and great family dogs. The two I had would eat a pit bull for lunch.

Its the owner, not the dog.

A majority of the folks who have pit bulls want that personae they feel comes with the dog. They're the ones that have a 50 or 60 pound dog pull them down the street as if they were being pulled by a tractor. They want a "macho" aggressive dog. How often are the ywearing a hat on sideways with a similar silver necklace that looks like a dog collar.

I had a large dog that was raised badly maul me as a teenager-it bit through both hands, both forearms and into one bicep and I need to have help to get away from it. in spite of my size and strength. It was over a 10 minute struggle, which I dont think the average person can appreciate.
Now, if any dog, large or small looked funny at my kids or wife, I would strangle it with its collar or bludgeon it to death with whatever was available.

Between my experience and a friend whose child had her face disfigured by a "cute" little dog, I wont let someone else learn the lesson if I can prevent it.

Sometimes it's the owner. When I was younger, we bred Rottweilers, among other breeds. There are some owners that did the whole 'gangbanger' image, with the big dog and the 'fierce' jewellery.... but there are also owners that have a dog like that becasue Rottweilers are such an intelligent breed, and have such calm demeanours.

Of course - one of the dogs we got (sometimes we 'adopted' dogs) was from a junkyard, where the owner used to hit it in the head with a wrench 'to make it fierce'... there are just some twisted people out there.

Another was a Bernese Mountain Dog (fairly big, playful, friendly breed - good with kids), which came to use with an erratic personality. It wasn't until afterwards that we discovered the airgun pellets healed into her flesh, from where the owners' two teenage boys had spent a summer shooting it....

But - enough off-topic... what I was saying is that the big dog has bad press, automatically.

Sometimes it's the owner. When I was younger, we bred Rottweilers, among other breeds. There are some owners that did the whole 'gangbanger' image, with the big dog and the 'fierce' jewellery.... but there are also owners that have a dog like that becasue Rottweilers are such an intelligent breed, and have such calm demeanours.

Of course - one of the dogs we got (sometimes we 'adopted' dogs) was from a junkyard, where the owner used to hit it in the head with a wrench 'to make it fierce'... there are just some twisted people out there.

Another was a Bernese Mountain Dog (fairly big, playful, friendly breed - good with kids), which came to use with an erratic personality. It wasn't until afterwards that we discovered the airgun pellets healed into her flesh, from where the owners' two teenage boys had spent a summer shooting it....

But - enough off-topic... what I was saying is that the big dog has bad press, automatically.

Those stories disgust me. We raised and showed both German Shepherds and Malamutes. Two fairly large breeds. All well behaved with good dispostions. And each one was alert and protective of the family-NOT unpredictable like time bombs waiting to go off.

You dont need to mistreat a dog to get it to be protective.

Yes- bigger dogs will get bad press as they appear to be more of a threat. Very few people will tell a story about how a chihuhua attacked them.

Those stories disgust me. We raised and showed both German Shepherds and Malamutes. Two fairly large breeds. All well behaved with good dispostions. And each one was alert and protective of the family-NOT unpredictable like time bombs waiting to go off.

You dont need to mistreat a dog to get it to be protective.

Yes- bigger dogs will get bad press as they appear to be more of a threat. Very few people will tell a story about how a chihuhua attacked them.
yeah, my dog is very protective of the family (he is part German Shepard) and when people hear that they assume the worst.

It annoys me, they think that my dog is going to snap or something, he probably isn't, he has never bit anyone, he doesn't growl, he has only really barked a few times, and those were at people he percieved as threatening me or the girls (like the drunk guy that showed up on my porch one night looking for his girlfriend).

He does patrol the house at night though, and sleeps during the day, sometimes I think he thinks he is a cat or something.

Those stories disgust me. We raised and showed both German Shepherds and Malamutes. Two fairly large breeds. All well behaved with good dispostions. And each one was alert and protective of the family-NOT unpredictable like time bombs waiting to go off.

You dont need to mistreat a dog to get it to be protective.

Yes- bigger dogs will get bad press as they appear to be more of a threat. Very few people will tell a story about how a chihuhua attacked them.

I have been 'savaged' by Chihuahuas, Papillions, Jack Russel and a number of other kinds of terrier.

When one considers what most small dogs were bred for (like killing vermin, for example) it is no surprise they are 'sharp' inside their heads. Unfortunately - many people assume 'small dog' equates to 'good with kids'.

I have been 'savaged' by Chihuahuas, Papillions, Jack Russel and a number of other kinds of terrier.

When one considers what most small dogs were bred for (like killing vermin, for example) it is no surprise they are 'sharp' inside their heads. Unfortunately - many people assume 'small dog' equates to 'good with kids'.
yeah, I tend to go in the other direction, my kids are fully aware that small dogs are crazy, I am less afraid of large dogs (mastiffs, rotts, ect.) than I am of small ones (particularly Jack Russel Terriers, those things are mean)

although I am not afraid of my friend's pitt bull/ boxer , but he is a big baby, I am mostly afraid of how most of the pitts around here are trained I guess.

yeah, I tend to go in the other direction, my kids are fully aware that small dogs are crazy, I am less afraid of large dogs (mastiffs, rotts, ect.) than I am of small ones (particularly Jack Russel Terriers, those things are mean)

although I am not afraid of my friend's pitt bull/ boxer , but he is a big baby, I am mostly afraid of how most of the pitts around here are trained I guess.

I've never been a big fan of Jack Russels. Those things have probably given me more trouble than every other breed of dog, combined. Evil things.

I have a friend who breeds pitbulls... and they are pretty angelic. It leads me to think that you have to work at it to make small dogs NOT mean, and you have to work at it to make big dogs MEAN... at least, that's how it seems.

My son has a border collie-pit bull mix. She's the sweetest dog you'll ever want to know. Smart, stubborn and lovable. My 12-pound cat is more of a threat than she'll ever be.

As has been previously stated, it's the owner, not the dog. Some breeds do need more attention than others, so you should get a breed that suits your lifestyle - terriers, pit bulls, border collies and the like require lots of attention and positive training, if you're the kind to leave your dog in the yard and ignore it except for feeding, stay away from these.

Pit bulls are now banned in Ontario. If you are an owner, you can keep the present one until it dies and that is the end of it.

http://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.o...fty.asp#TOC_08

And here I thought all the dumb laws got passed in the US....

they tried to ban them here, but it didn't work, now they are trying to pass a law that says if you have a large dog that may be considered a threat to people by it's nature (or something else way broad) that you have to buy $100,000 insurance.

The law is so badly written and uspecific that even my vet can't tell me if my dog counts. Luckily my dog doesn't have much wolf in him or he would be banned anyway.

That makes even less sense! There is no breed - not a single one - that can be said to be considered a threat to people by it's very nature. Most pits are very docile, if they get the proper socialization and training. I have yet to meet a single rottie that wasn't as sweet as pie.

Any animal that has demonstrated visciousness needs to either be controlled very strictly or put down, but to suggest that a given dog is "a threat to people by it's nature..." *sigh*

Unfortunately - many people assume 'small dog' equates to 'good with kids'.

...which most shelters will tell you is full of it. In fact, many shelters won't send a small breed to a home with small children unless it has already lived in such a home and done fine.

I haven't had a single bad experience with a pit bull. All the ones I have ever met (and I've known quite a few) were very affectionate, loving, cuddly dogs. Of course, they were raised properly by good people. I know breed has a lot to do with temerament, but I think the environment in which an animal is raised also has a lot to do with it.

As for Jack Russells - I would never own a purebred one. My current dog, however, is a Jack Russell mix, and is really a good dog. Very friendly, not nearly as hyper as a purebred, and much more well behaved. I'm not sure what he's mixed with (got him from the SPCA), although people have suggested beagle or sheltie.

I have a dachshund and he will take you the fuck ON.

I have a dachshund and he will take you the fuck ON.
LOL, that's probably true. My father in law has two of them, and one goes out to check the mail with him. One day a neighbor's dog ran up and tried to attack my father in law and Mini-me jumped between the big dog and my father in law. He got hurt pretty bad, but probably saved my father in laws life, he scared away the big dog, and is now fully recovered.

As has been previously stated, it's the owner, not the dog. Some breeds do need more attention than others, so you should get a breed that suits your lifestyle - terriers, pit bulls, border collies and the like require lots of attention and positive training, if you're the kind to leave your dog in the yard and ignore it except for feeding, stay away from these.

Just... Wow.

You can't imagine how much I agree.

What bothers me though is if sensible people can say this about animate creatures like dogs - who can act/attack on their own volition, why can't they say the same thing about firearms - which can't "do" anything by themselves at all?