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Arnold Schwarzenegger--illegal immigrant?

The Nazz
24-04-2006, 02:18
He's a citizen now so I guess it doesn't really matter--unless you're one of those extremists who think that all illegals ought to be sent back no matter what their excuse. But I'll let those folks be the ones to tell the Governator. (http://www.visalaw.com/03sep4/15sep403.html)

Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger is facing heat over his immigration records and work history. The issue has surfaced during his campaign to become the next Governor of California.

Schwarzenegger entered the United States in 1968 on a B-1 visa, which allows a select group of visitors, such as training athletes, to come into the United States for brief periods of business. Under this rule, “a non-immigrant in B-1 status may not receive a salary from a U.S. source for services rendered in connection with his or her activities in the United States.” However, the rules do allow immigrants to receive “actual reasonable expenses,” such as money for food and hotel rooms.

In his 1977 autobiography, Schwarzenegger stated that he worked out an agreement with Joe Weider to come to America. Under this agreement, Schwarzenegger provided Weider information about how he trained, while Weider provided Schwarzenegger with an apartment, a car, and payment of a weekly salary.

Weider stated earlier this month that the weekly salary was $200. Last week, a spokesman for Schwarzenegger said that he was only paid $65 per week. At the end of last week, Weider stated that he could not remember the details of the business deal. (How convenient for Ah-nold.)

After questioning about half-dozen immigration attorneys on whether this payment would have been allowable, the Mercury News reported that his visa would likely have been barred under these circumstances. However, some attorneys noted the more rigorous application procedures that are now present for the immigration process. In the 1960s, the procedures were much more lax than they are now.

Schwarzenegger attorney Tom Hiltachk said Schwarzenegger received an H-2 visa, which allowed him to work in this country, in November 1969 – after more than a year in the United States. He became a permanent resident in 1974 and a citizen in 1983.

In addition, Schwarzenegger’s new ad campaign on a Spanish-language radio station announces his humble beginnings in America as a bricklayer. Several immigration attorneys also believe that he violated the terms of his H-2 work visa by launching this bricklaying business in 1971. According to further reports by the Mercury News, immigration attorneys across the country said Schwarzenegger would have been barred by visa restrictions from starting his own business. Moreover, there is no record that Schwarzenegger and the Italian bodybuilder that he paired up with ever received a required state contractor’s license.

In addition, following this latest immigration issue, Hiltachk said it is unclear what type of visa Schwarzenegger had when he started the bricklaying business. But whether Schwarzenegger had an H-2 or another temporary visa, immigration attorneys said, the bodybuilder would have been barred from doing any work as a bricklayer or handyman.

“If they come into the United States to pick tomatoes, they can’t go out and work at McDonald’s,” said Nancy Alby, an assistant center director at the U.S. Bureau of Citizenship and Naturalization Services, who spoke in general about H-2 visas and did not comment specifically on Schwarzenegger’s case. “They have to do exactly what they were let into the United States to do.”

The immigration issue fires up a debate over Schwarzenegger’s support for Proposition 187, a 1994 ballot measure that sought to keep illegal immigrants from receiving some state educational and social services. He also vows to fight a new law that allows illegal immigrants to get driver’s licenses. Schwarzenegger has said that immigrants must follow the rules like he did.
So do the rules apply to everyone? Should Ah-nold's citizenship be revoked and should he be deported back to Austria? (Much as I think he's a twit, I don't think that ought to happen, but then again, I'm all in favor of relaxing immigration law.)
Duntscruwithus
24-04-2006, 02:28
Looks like he managed to sneak in under the radar, so to speak. Good for him.

I agree with you, all these laws we have on immigration are just bloody waste of time and money.
Keruvalia
24-04-2006, 03:14
He's a citizen now so I guess it doesn't really matter--unless you're one of those extremists who think that all illegals ought to be sent back no matter what their excuse.

No no ... the White ones like Ah-nold are ok.
The Horde Of Doom
24-04-2006, 03:19
Hmm...bit of a sticky wicket there.
Well...since I live in Florida and the only immigrants we have are old people, militant anti-castro Cubans(god I love them), and voodoo practicin' hard working Hatians...I don't know.

As bad as it sounds....
Not my problem.
The Nazz
24-04-2006, 03:39
No no ... the White ones like Ah-nold are ok.
Which was, of course, the point of this whole thread. We've got a shitty double standard in place. Hell, it even extends to the Cuban/Haitian difference here in Florida. The anti-Castro Cubans that the Horde mentioned all tend to be light-skinned, and are the beneficiaries of the wet-foot/dry foot policy that gets them automatic asylum if they touch land. Dark skinned Haitians? They're shit out of luck, no matter if they're wet or dry.
The Horde Of Doom
24-04-2006, 03:47
Hey hey hey! People in central florida at least appreciate Hatians. They work harder then the cubans, and actually want to live here. Most cubans view Florida as a camp ground, just waiting to go back. Hatians want to be here, enjoy living here. Some white kids I know always say "I hate Florida." I love Florida, and so do the Hatians.

Its the federal governments fucked up policy that screws them. Let Florida decide who gets in, and I promise the Hatians will get a better deal.
The Nazz
24-04-2006, 03:50
Hey hey hey! People in central florida at least appreciate Hatians. They work harder then the cubans, and actually want to live here. Most cubans view Florida as a camp ground, just waiting to go back. Hatians want to be here, enjoy living here. Some white kids I know always say "I hate Florida." I love Florida, and so do the Hatians.

Its the federal governments fucked up policy that screws them. Let Florida decide who gets in, and I promise the Hatians will get a better deal.
I agree completely. I'd love to change the federal policy so that everyone gets the same deal.
The Horde Of Doom
24-04-2006, 03:57
but of course the politicans in D.C. have never lived among Hatians, and so they know nothing about them.
Typical response:
"Egad! Darkies!"

Once again, the perfect reason for more states rights. They going to live in Florida, work in Florida, pay taxes in Florida...so why shouldn't Florida decide policy on them.
Pantylvania
24-04-2006, 04:16
If the speculation in the article turns out to be true and if Arnold Schwarzenegger didn't have reason to know he was breaking the law, he should apologize and try in some way to make up for it.
If the speculation in the article turns out to be true and if Arnold Schwarzenegger knew he was breaking those laws, he should get some sort of punishment. There's a possibility he could get off due to statute of limitations rules, but he would still lose any realistic chance of getting reelected.
The Nazz
24-04-2006, 04:46
If the speculation in the article turns out to be true and if Arnold Schwarzenegger didn't have reason to know he was breaking the law, he should apologize and try in some way to make up for it.
If the speculation in the article turns out to be true and if Arnold Schwarzenegger knew he was breaking those laws, he should get some sort of punishment. There's a possibility he could get off due to statute of limitations rules, but he would still lose any realistic chance of getting reelected.
I wouldn't actually want him to suffer any punishment for it. I'd rather there were an honest discussion of our retarded immigration laws, and that Schwarzenegger would be forced to own up to his own past.
Lacadaemon
24-04-2006, 04:49
His austrianess, and refusal to speak english (I'm not kidding about that one), are poluting and destroying our culture.

We must build a wall between the US and Europe!
The Psyker
24-04-2006, 05:00
Which was, of course, the point of this whole thread. We've got a shitty double standard in place. Hell, it even extends to the Cuban/Haitian difference here in Florida. The anti-Castro Cubans that the Horde mentioned all tend to be light-skinned, and are the beneficiaries of the wet-foot/dry foot policy that gets them automatic asylum if they touch land. Dark skinned Haitians? They're shit out of luck, no matter if they're wet or dry.
Ah, so thats why people were so accepting of the Irish, Poles, Italians, ect right?
The Nazz
24-04-2006, 05:22
Ah, so thats why people were so accepting of the Irish, Poles, Italians, ect right?
With the Italians, you did have a skin color difference. With the Irish it was just continued discrimination from the English who had come over earlier and established themselves. Sorry, but I'm not up on the Poles specifically, but the treatment of most Eastern Europeans was primarily bias left over from the western Europeans who preceded them.

But the biggest point to make is that that discrimination took place about a century ago. The type of discrimination we're talking about now is undeniably linked to skin color.
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
24-04-2006, 05:24
We must build a wall between the US and Europe!
But last time you said that just dynamiting the Bering Land Bridge would be enough!
Pantylvania
24-04-2006, 08:23
I wouldn't actually want him to suffer any punishment for it. I'd rather there were an honest discussion of our retarded immigration laws, and that Schwarzenegger would be forced to own up to his own past.Yeah, it depends first on whether the article was correct. I remember an article from a few years ago that said he admired Hitler. It turned out he had actually said he admired John F Kennedy. It also depends on the details of what he did. If he tried to get the forms turned in or didn't know about some rule, he shouldn't be punished. If he knew he was doing something illegal that wasn't on one of those "weird laws" lists and if he had plenty of opportunity to go through the process legally, it wouldn't be right for him to be let off. Whatever happens it should point back to the difficulty of immigrating legally.
Kievan-Prussia
24-04-2006, 08:25
I think that:

1) Arnold's been here ages. Give him a break.

2) Yeah, he's white. I'm going to be honest; that does make a difference.