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It is time for Teddy to retire. He is old, senile and belongs in a nursing home, not the US Senate. He should be the poster child for term limits.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060423/pl_nm/kennedy_dc_4

It is time for Teddy to retire. He is old, senile and belongs in a nursing home, not the US Senate. He should be the poster child for term limits.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060423/pl_nm/kennedy_dc_4

74 is awfully young for a Senator. Not quite time to put him out to pasture just yet. Besides, his people keep electing him, he can stay. Strom Thurmond held on to 100.

I thought this was gonna be about dubbya... Oh well, let him stay or should him go. *Leaves thread*

It is time for Teddy to retire. He is old, senile and belongs in a nursing home, not the US Senate. He should be the poster child for term limits.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060423/pl_nm/kennedy_dc_4
Come on....fess up. You just don't like John Kerry. :p

Come on....fess up. You just don't like John Kerry. :p

I don't like either Teddy or John Kerry.

It is time for Teddy to retire. He is old, senile and belongs in a nursing home, not the US Senate. He should be the poster child for term limits.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060423/pl_nm/kennedy_dc_4

We don't want people to be able to vote for whom they'd prefer for Congress. That would be too democratic.

BTW, Senator Kennedy is younger than Reagan was when he finished his term. How vocal were you about Reagan being "old, senile, and belongs in a nursing home"?

Strom Thurmond was a Senator when he was 100. Were you opposed to him as well?

Senator Kennedy is not as old as Senator Ted Stevens. Does Stevens "belong[] in a nursing home"?

I thought this was gonna be about dubbya... Oh well, let him stay or should him go. *Leaves thread*
Heh. Same here.

*also leaves thread*

yeah im SICK of a senator who would suggest that we follow a more progressive path. that we care for the poor, the elderly, the working class. the senile old man who is so crazy as to think that WE CAN DO BETTER THAN THIS

there is no place for that kind of thinking in american government.

I don't like either Teddy or John Kerry.

Fortunate, then, that you'll never have to vote for either of them. Oklahoma is not among their constituency.

He's Eutrusca?

(I'm sorry, but someone had to get it out of the way.) ;)

the senile old man who is so crazy as to think that WE CAN DO BETTER THAN THIS

Well that's just looney toons, touched in the head kind of stuff. Surely we couldn't possibly do any better! We r teh perfectsorzes!

I don't like either Teddy or John Kerry.

Well, you give such a reasoned critique, who could disagree with you?

Fortunate, then, that you'll never have to vote for either of them. Oklahoma is not among their constituency.

Yes, and that makes life good. :D

Well, you give such a reasoned critique, who could disagree with you?

ROFLMAO. :D It's a personal thing. :p

He's Eutrusca?

(I'm sorry, but someone had to get it out of the way.) ;)
Since Eut has been banned for a few days, I can imagine him reading your comment and beating his keyboard into tiny pieces. :D

Since Eut has been banned for a few days, I can imagine him reading your comment and beating his keyboard into tiny pieces. :D

I go away for a few days and Eut get's banned? I guess I should have stuck around and backed him up. :D

Since Eut has been banned for a few days, I can imagine him reading your comment and beating his keyboard into tiny pieces. :D
All the better! :)

(Didn't know he was banned.)

ROFLMAO. :D It's a personal thing. :p

Show us on the doll where Senator Kennedy touched you.

The poll choices show no bias at all.... :rolleyes:

Term limits on Senators will just get us a bunch lame duck Senators (see second term presidents)

Yes, and that makes life good. :D

I dunno ... if I had two choose between Ted Kennedy and Tom Coburn to govern on my behalf, I'd have to kick Coburn to the curb.

"The gay community has infiltrated the very centers of power in every area across this country, and they wield extreme power... That agenda is the greatest threat to our freedom that we face today. Why do you think we see the rationalization for abortion and multiple sexual partners? That's a gay agenda." - Tom himself.

Don't get me started on the Schindler's List debacle.

Yeah ... now who were we saying needs nursing home care? I'll take the old drunk over the babbling conspiracy theorist any day. :p

I dunno ... if I had two choose between Ted Kennedy and Tom Coburn to govern on my behalf, I'd have to kick Coburn to the curb.

"The gay community has infiltrated the very centers of power in every area across this country, and they wield extreme power... That agenda is the greatest threat to our freedom that we face today. Why do you think we see the rationalization for abortion and multiple sexual partners? That's a gay agenda." - Tom himself.

Don't get me started on the Schindler's List debacle.

Yeah ... now who were we saying needs nursing home care? I'll take the old drunk over the babbling conspiracy theorist any day. :p

:D

"Ted Kennedy; A good senator, but a bad date." -Denis Leary

All the better! :)

(Didn't know he was banned.)
Yeah, he went to moderation to complain about someone calling him a moron and both of them ended up getting banned. It was a classic example whereby Eut set the bait, and the victim bit. Both gonzo for 3 days.

Since Eut has been banned for a few days, I can imagine him reading your comment and beating his keyboard into tiny pieces. :D
what did he do? what thread should i look at?

I dunno ... if I had two choose between Ted Kennedy and Tom Coburn to govern on my behalf, I'd have to kick Coburn to the curb.

"The gay community has infiltrated the very centers of power in every area across this country, and they wield extreme power... That agenda is the greatest threat to our freedom that we face today. Why do you think we see the rationalization for abortion and multiple sexual partners? That's a gay agenda." - Tom himself.

Don't get me started on the Schindler's List debacle.

Yeah ... now who were we saying needs nursing home care? I'll take the old drunk over the babbling conspiracy theorist any day. :p

I am proud to say that both my wife and I worked on Senator Coburn's campaign. Kennedy may be a drunk and probably not the only one in the Senate, but he is probably the only murderer in the Senate.

Yeah, he went to moderation to complain about someone calling him a moron and both of them ended up getting banned. It was a classic example whereby Eut set the bait, and the victim bit. Both gonzo for 3 days.
Ahh, that sucks. The temptation is so strong.

what did he do? what thread should i look at?
You could go to Moderation, but here is the link Eut posted there:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10793866&postcount=30

I am proud to say that both my wife and I worked on Senator Coburn's campaign.

That explains a lot.

It is hard to argue that anyone is a bigger embarassment to the Senate.

Kennedy may be a drunk and probably not the only one in the Senate, but he is probably the only murderer in the Senate.

Meh. That is so pathetic. I doubt you could document a set of facts under which Kennedy was guilty of murder. Even the looniest accusations really amount to involuntary manslaughter.

Is everyone that is involved in an unfortunate car accident a murderer?

We don't want people to be able to vote for whom they'd prefer for Congress. That would be too democratic.
I don’t know about Celt, but yes there should be an upper age limit. The elderly are inherently out of touch.

As for Teddy, the other day I heard him say that the Democrats “got us out of Vietnam.”
What!? The Democrats fabricated Tonkin Bay and pushed us deeper into the conflict, and it was King Daley’s police who beat up protesters outside the Democratic convention. Last I heard it was Nixon, a Republican, who Vietnameseized the war and ultimately pulled out the conflict. Not that I have any love for Republicans as they are undeniably beyond the last three foreign wars, but still, he should have a better memory than that.

As for Teddy, the other day I heard him say that the Democrats “got us out of Vietnam.”
'Sfunny how the memory of one's embarrassments is always the first to go as one gets older, isn't it?

Yep, he's officially lost it....
...not to say he never lost it before *cough*Chappaquiddick*cough*

I don’t know about Celt, but yes there should be an upper age limit. The elderly are inherently out of touch.

1. Because the people can't be trusted to vote for competent representatives.

2. What would you set the age limit at?

As for Teddy, the other day I heard him say that the Democrats “got us out of Vietnam.”
What!? The Democrats fabricated Tonkin Bay and pushed us deeper into the conflict, and it was King Daley’s police who beat up protesters outside the Democratic convention. Last I heard it was Nixon, a Republican, who Vietnameseized the war and ultimately pulled out the conflict. Not that I have any love for Republicans as they are undeniably beyond the last three foreign wars, but still, he should have a better memory than that.

Yes, McGovern was the "pro-war" canidate. :rolleyes:

Did Kennedy say the Democrats had no responsibility for Vietnam? No. He did not.

Least he'd be partially right. >.>

I don’t know about Celt, but yes there should be an upper age limit. The elderly are inherently out of touch.

As for Teddy, the other day I heard him say that the Democrats “got us out of Vietnam.”
What!? The Democrats fabricated Tonkin Bay and pushed us deeper into the conflict, and it was King Daley’s police who beat up protesters outside the Democratic convention. Last I heard it was Nixon, a Republican, who Vietnameseized the war and ultimately pulled out the conflict. Not that I have any love for Republicans as they are undeniably beyond the last three foreign wars, but still, he should have a better memory than that.

I'm not so much for setting an age limit, but I do think term limits would work very well. Two terms for a Senator would mean we get fresh ideas every 12 years and fewer professional politicians. Maybe the politicians would be more inclined to listen to the people and do what the people want done as they wouldn't have to worry about getting re-elected.

Yep, he's officially lost it....
...not to say he never lost it before *cough*Chappaquiddick*cough*

Again, anyone who has been in a car accident has "lost it"?

What about certain politicians that have DUIs? Isn't that more serious than merely leaving the scene of an accident?

I'm not so much for setting an age limit, but I do think term limits would work very well. Two terms for a Senator would mean we get fresh ideas every 12 years and fewer professional politicians. Maybe the politicians would be more inclined to listen to the people and do what the people want done as they wouldn't have to worry about getting re-elected.

Again, we can't let people re-elect politicians they like. That would be too democratic.

"professional politicians." Like Thomas Jefferson or John Adams? I wonder how the Republic ever survived.

Again, we can't let people re-elect politicians they like. That would be too democratic.
No, actually you can't. Democracy shouldn't be about "liking" people, it is about selecting the best man for the job (and, allegedly, general consensus is the best way to do this).
Likability is a fine way to pick a pop idol, but a miserable way to select a leader.

No, actually you can't. Democracy shouldn't be about "liking" people, it is about selecting the best man for the job (and, allegedly, general consensus is the best way to do this).
Likability is a fine way to pick a pop idol, but a miserable way to select a leader.
But how do you know if they are 'best' if you don't like them? All you can know of them is what they present of themselves.

No, actually you can't. Democracy shouldn't be about "liking" people, it is about selecting the best man for the job (and, allegedly, general consensus is the best way to do this).
Likability is a fine way to pick a pop idol, but a miserable way to select a leader.

The 'Governator' was a fine example of this. His political future is doomed and his future is to. :)

No, actually you can't. Democracy shouldn't be about "liking" people, it is about selecting the best man for the job (and, allegedly, general consensus is the best way to do this).
Likability is a fine way to pick a pop idol, but a miserable way to select a leader.
And who decides who the best person for the job? Thats right the people they represent, and you know what if they elect an idiot thats their own damn fault and their the ones that have to live with the consequences.

Thats right the people they represent, and you know what if they elect an idiot thats their own damn fault and their the ones that have to live with the consequences.
But should those who didn't vote for him have to suffer as well? Under the current system, they do.

NO, I like him. and Kerry.

But should those who didn't vote for him have to suffer as well? Under the current system, they do.
Yeah, whats your point? You think the majority is going to suddenly vote in someone more atractive to the minority just because they can't vote in their first choice:rolleyes:

1. Because the people can't be trusted to vote for competent representatives.
Yep.
2. What would you set the age limit at?
Somewere between sixty-five and seventy.
Yes, McGovern was the "pro-war" canidate. :rolleyes:
He certainly wan't anti-war.
Did Kennedy say the Democrats had no responsibility for Vietnam? No. He did not.
They certainly didn't get us out of it. Mostly pressure from unaffiliated or radical persons did.

Yeah, whats your point? You think the majority is going to suddenly vote in someone more atractive to the minority just because they can't vote in their first choice:rolleyes:
I’m saying there are serious flaws with the system and democracy has become little more than tyranny by popular opinion.

But should those who didn't vote for him have to suffer as well? Under the current system, they do.
Especially so in the case of Senator's, where 20-30% of the population of North Dakota is helping to dictate policy to the state of Florida (to use a randomly selected pair of states).
And it is possible to look at someone's record and know that they are the best man for the job, while still thinking that said man is an asshole. It is also possible to have a worthless hack become incredibly popular and be a terrible leader, yet build a personality cult that allows them to sit in power in spite of their failings (Kim Jong Il, JFK, or FDR, take your pick) until death, thankfully, intercedes on the world's behalf.

He certainly wan't anti-war.

Bullshit.

http://openweb.tvnews.vanderbilt.edu/1972-9/1972-09-21-NBC-8.html

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/21/1517201

George McGovern was the Democratic presidential candidate in the 1972 race against Richard Nixon. McGovern was one of the leading critics of the Vietnam war in Washington.

Again, anyone who has been in a car accident has "lost it"?

What about certain politicians that have DUIs? Isn't that more serious than merely leaving the scene of an accident?

Leaving the scene of an accident and failing to report the accident in a timly manner is pretty damn serious. Especially when someone has been killed in the accident. Oh, and the probability that Teddy was DUI at the time of the accident was pretty high.

Again, we can't let people re-elect politicians they like. That would be too democratic.

So, are you saying we should do away with presidential term limits? After all, they prevent people from re-electing a politician they like.

Bullshit.

http://openweb.tvnews.vanderbilt.edu/1972-9/1972-09-21-NBC-8.html

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/21/1517201
Mixed up the 72 and 68 elections and Mcgovern and Humphry.

Still, Mcgovern lost in a landslide. So much for the people knowing what's best for them.

Leaving the scene of an accident and failing to report the accident in a timly manner is pretty damn serious. Especially when someone has been killed in the accident. Oh, and the probability that Teddy was DUI at the time of the accident was pretty high.

Nice dodge.

Senator Kennedy pled guilty to and was sentenced for leaving the scene of the accident after causing injury.

Your "probability" is shere speculation. But, even if he was intoxicated, that does not make the accident murder under Massachusettes law.

On the other hand, we know for certain that Bush and Cheney are guilty of DUIs.

Nice dodge.

Senator Kennedy pled guilty to and was sentenced for leaving the scene of the accident after causing injury.

Your "probability" is shere speculation. But, even if he was intoxicated, that does not make the accident murder under Massachusettes law.

On the other hand, we know for certain that Bush and Cheney are guilty of DUIs.
geez cat, you know that it only counts if democrats do it.

It is time for Teddy to retire. He is old, senile and belongs in a nursing home, not the US Senate. He should be the poster child for term limits.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060423/pl_nm/kennedy_dc_4

No. He represents Massachusetts just fine.

So, are you saying we should do away with presidential term limits? After all, they prevent people from re-electing a politician they like.

Apples and oranges. The Presidency is not the same as a seat in Congress. There are different requirements, powers, and limits on each.

I support the current Constitutional system. You advocate change. Why should we limit the people from electing a constitutionally qualified representative?

Oh i thought this thread was going to be about Eutrusca...:p

Senator Kennedy is not as old as Senator Ted Stevens. Does Stevens "belong[] in a nursing home"?

Incidentally, Stevens is who I thought this thread was about at first, until I saw the article, probably because I would say that about him...

Oh no, Kennedy expressed an opion - he must be senile. Send in.. the hounds.

Uh, hi everyone, haven't been around for a while. There seems to be better avenues for political discourse on the net, who knew? *LOL*

1) Your poll is trash, there is no answer for Ted being a good Senator.

2) If even half of the current senators had the balls and vision of Ted Kennedy the USA wouldn't be as f*cked up as it is.

End of story!

Oh! Look! A POLL!

Sounds like he is just being a politician and wants a man from his state to run for president. I'll be hoping John Edwards to get the Democratic nod so in this case I hope Kennedy doesn't get his way.

The poll is absolute crap by the way.

Anyone remember Chappaquiddick? His ass should still be rotting in jail.

Anyone remember Chapaquitic? His ass should still be rotting in jail.

Chappaquiddick. And we could never forget, as people of your ilk love to bring it up when they've got nothing of substance to say about Kennedy. That would be Chappaquiddick, where there was an investigation and Kennedy was charged and eventually filed a guilty plea and was sentenced.

Anyone remember Chapaquitic? His ass should still be rotting in jail.

Chappaquiddick

He should still be serving a more than 37-year sentence?

For leaving the scene of an accident where an injury ocurred?

"Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?"

Anyone remember Chapaquitic? His ass should still be rotting in jail.

Yes...That would be about 40 years ago... basically if he was guilty of anything it was bad judgement. He would of been out of jail a long time ago regardless of if you could of made some minor charge stick. Which is doubtful given that 40 years ago there were no drinking & driving laws... but stay safe in your own little sheltered world of today... where a president can lie to a nation and take it to war.. but that's okay right?

But heaven forbid a young man made a bad judgement call over 40 years ago when there were no laws on the books to cover it and didn't go to jail.

If this seemed sarcastic, then you read it right... because anyone with so little understanding of the law 40 years ago.. really shouldn't play with the grown ups.

. He is old, senile and belongs in a nursing home, not the US Senate.

Ageism is kewl.

Chappaquiddick?

That's the only complaint people can dredge up about Teddy?


Hey! Republicans should be GLAD that he has that in his past. I mean, motor vehicle deaths of people they are driving with gives him and Laura Bush common points of reference to break the ice with when they all get together for dinner.....

.... and this leads to bipartisan dialog which IS after all what GW always said he wanted right? "I'm a uniter, not a divider!"

Well, from the latest polls it seems that he has finally succeeded in that lofty goal. Democrats and Republicans ALL dislike Bush now!


Time to break out that Mission Accomplished banner Georgie! And this time it will be valid!!!!!!

:p

he[Kennedy] is probably the only murderer in the Senate.

I'd say every Senator who voted for the war in Iraq has their hands dipped in blood. Kennedy is not among them.

It is time for Teddy to retire. He is old, senile and belongs in a nursing home, not the US Senate. He should be the poster child for term limits.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060423/pl_nm/kennedy_dc_4

So he's both some kind of child, yet is too old?