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I was curious whether mentally handicapped people have a place in heaven. After all they arent aware of many things which make me wonder if they understand the concept of God or Jesus. The belief of Jesus and his dying for our sins is one of the essentials to be granted into the kingdom of heaven.

Actually, this is interesting. I'll bump this and add:

How does "Original Sin" come into it? Can someone explain what original sin is in the first place?
And if every human has to make up for and repent the various things our species is inflicted with...how is a mentally handicapped person going to do this?

yes they do. especially if they get baptised

it would be particularly horrid of god to create a person without the capacity of getting into heaven so that he's doomed to eternal hellfire with no chance to escape it.

it would be particularly horrid of god to create a person without the capacity of getting into heaven so that he's doomed to eternal hellfire with no chance to escape it.
A lot of things are that would be horrid for God to allow to happen, and yet those things are. Even still, isn't it possible that the retarded have no souls, and simply pass out of this world and into nothing (like monkies and such)?

And, Leonstein, if I remember correctly, Original Sin is the stain that all humans bear. It was invented by Catholics to cause angst among people who might not otherwise turn to Jesus (after all, what good is forgiveness unless you can guarantee that people will need it?). It (it being OS) has something to do with Adam and Eve, although what exactly they did that was so bad it made God pissed off at me by my (tenuous) assocation with them varies between religious sects.

A lot of things are that would be horrid for God to allow to happen, and yet those things are. Even still, isn't it possible that the retarded have no souls, and simply pass out of this world and into nothing (like monkies and such)?

And, Leonstein, if I remember correctly, Original Sin is the stain that all humans bear. It was invented by Catholics to cause angst among people who might not otherwise turn to Jesus (after all, what good is forgiveness unless you can guarantee that people will need it?). It (it being OS) has something to do with Adam and Eve, although what exactly they did that was so bad it made God pissed off at me by my (tenuous) assocation with them varies between religious sects.

As I recall, Original Sin was when Cain murdered Abel.

yes they do. especially if they get baptised

it would be particularly horrid of god to create a person without the capacity of getting into heaven so that he's doomed to eternal hellfire with no chance to escape it.

Note:
I say God exists. I just say he's a total asshole.

Chances are, if hell exists, handicapped people do go to hell. Why? Because God's sick and twisted like that.

I was curious whether mentally handicapped people have a place in heaven. After all they arent aware of many things which make me wonder if they understand the concept of God or Jesus. The belief of Jesus and his dying for our sins is one of the essentials to be granted into the kingdom of heaven.
No, of course they don't. But then, neither does anyone else. Because Heaven doesn't exist. Because God doesn't exist.

Now if you'll excuse me I've got some sinful athiest like things to do.

As I recall, Original Sin was when Cain murdered Abel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_Sin

It refers to Adam and Eve eating the forbidden fruit, and the taint that caused on all humankind.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_Sin

It refers to Adam and Eve eating the forbidden fruit, and the taint that caused on all humankind.
In other words, neither babies nor disabled people are without sin. And when a baby or a disabled person dies (obviously without repenting, or accepting Jesus, and possibly without doing any good deeds), they'll go straight to hell.

Ok, I've checked my calendar, and I don't see anything that says that this was "National Offend The Disabled Week". Whining about public restrooms, whining about special ed, now wondering whether they have to go to hell because they can't reason? Are you all trying to piss me off, or has it just worked out that way? I have my own personal problems with the Big Guy, which I won't discuss; but much as I wonder sometimes if he's a sadist, I can't believe he'd be that cruel.

A lot of things are that would be horrid for God to allow to happen, and yet those things are. Even still, isn't it possible that the retarded have no souls, and simply pass out of this world and into nothing (like monkies and such)?

And, Leonstein, if I remember correctly, Original Sin is the stain that all humans bear. It was invented by Catholics to cause angst among people who might not otherwise turn to Jesus (after all, what good is forgiveness unless you can guarantee that people will need it?). It (it being OS) has something to do with Adam and Eve, although what exactly they did that was so bad it made God pissed off at me by my (tenuous) assocation with them varies between religious sects.
no it would not be possible. all humans have souls

if there were no original sin damning us all then why would there have to be a jesus to redeem that sin?

Ok, I've checked my calendar, and I don't see anything that says that this was "National Offend The Disabled Week". Whining about public restrooms, whining about special ed, now wondering whether they have to go to hell because they can't reason? Are you all trying to piss me off, or has it just worked out that way? I have my own personal problems with the Big Guy, which I won't discuss; but much as I wonder sometimes if he's a sadist, I can't believe he'd be that cruel.
its a good thing you've been here long enough to know that there arent constant threads on how various disabilities make you sub human.

its a good thing you've been here long enough to know that there arent constant threads on how various disabilities make you sub human.
Just to make sure everyone knows...my focus in this thread is not on the disabled, but on religion.

In other words, neither babies nor retards are without sin. And when a baby or a retard dies (obviously without repenting, or accepting Jesus, and possibly without doing any good deeds), they'll go straight to hell.

And I'm sorry for saying "retard". This is where my command of English ends...is there a short, easy to use word that is sufficiently PC not to offend?
I believe that "retard" is sufficiently PC, as long as it is not used in a disparaging manner. It could vary though, I am by no means a PC expert.

no it would not be possible. all humans have souls
Can you prove it? No, the absence or presence of the soul (as a thing exclusive to humans) is impossible to demonstrate. Since a monkey with intellectual and creative capacity above that of a Mentally Handicapped would be soulless, shouldn't the less intelligent person be so as well?
if there were no original sin damning us all then why would there have to be a jesus to redeem that sin?
And if you don't need Jesus, you don't need to pay a tithe or listen to that crazed Italian with the funny hat. Instead, you can dance and sing and do your pagan thing, free from coercive conversion and other such attempts to save your soul.

its a good thing you've been here long enough to know that there arent constant threads on how various disabilities make you sub human.


I think I'm actually going to be relieved when they go back to bitching about gay marriage and abortion.

In other words, neither babies nor disabled people are without sin. And when a baby or a disabled person dies (obviously without repenting, or accepting Jesus, and possibly without doing any good deeds), they'll go straight to hell.

Nah, considering it's the correct term really...Like flame retardant, for example, it's really just a word.

A lot of things are that would be horrid for God to allow to happen, and yet those things are. Even still, isn't it possible that the retarded have no souls, and simply pass out of this world and into nothing (like monkies and such)?

And, Leonstein, if I remember correctly, Original Sin is the stain that all humans bear. It was invented by Catholics to cause angst among people who might not otherwise turn to Jesus (after all, what good is forgiveness unless you can guarantee that people will need it?). It (it being OS) has something to do with Adam and Eve, although what exactly they did that was so bad it made God pissed off at me by my (tenuous) assocation with them varies between religious sects.

God allowing bad things to happen through his inaction is not the same as him doing bad things. To create someone who can never get into heaven is not in the nature of a God anyone would want to worship. It seems unreasonable for them not to have souls either. But what is the soul? if we see it as our individuality, our mind, the voice thinking in our heads, then does it leave when the body dies or the mind? Did Terri Shiavo's soul go to heaven when she finally died, or when her mind died years before? If someone loses everything that makes them a person, do they still have a soul?

Can you prove it? No, the absence or presence of the soul (as a thing exclusive to humans) is impossible to demonstrate. Since a monkey with intellectual and creative capacity above that of a Mentally Handicapped would be soulless, shouldn't the less intelligent person be so as well?
It's Japanese people who don't have souls, remember? That's why none of them can ever become Keanu Reeves, regardless of how high they score on PSP games.

(I'm joking in case it's not obvious)

People, you forget: religion reserves the right to bitch slap logic any time it deems necessary. So just because a mentally challenged person might have less cognitive ability then other primates, it doesn't mean that they have less of a soul.

This illogical logic also applies to those people mentally incapable of accepting Jesus and repenting for their sins. I imagine that the most intelligent, logical response that any religiously inclined person could supply us with would be "Well, they can't, so God makes an exception for them. But not the monkeys, because they're not human". Also, a mentally handicapped person's soul can no doubt accept Jesus and repent without any of their corporeal being knowing about this. Sort of like having a parasite in your body...

Can you prove it? No, the absence or presence of the soul (as a thing exclusive to humans) is impossible to demonstrate. Since a monkey with intellectual and creative capacity above that of a Mentally Handicapped would be soulless, shouldn't the less intelligent person be so as well?

And if you don't need Jesus, you don't need to pay a tithe or listen to that crazed Italian with the funny hat. Instead, you can dance and sing and do your pagan thing, free from coercive conversion and other such attempts to save your soul.
ya ya fine

if a mentally handicapped person is a hindu they dont have to worry about going to heaven

does that make you feel better?

i believe the question falls WITHIN the realm of christian theology. taoist dont have original sin. moslems dont have to worry about accepting jesus as their personal lord and savior

whats the sense of debating the actual existance of the soul or the reality of heaven? they cant be proven.

*snip*

whats the sense of debating the actual existance of the soul or the reality of heaven? they cant be proven.

Well, we can argue about this, or we can go check out that anti-immigrant thread, where we'll all just end up losing what little faith in humanity we had left.

In other words, neither babies nor disabled people are without sin. And when a baby or a disabled person dies (obviously without repenting, or accepting Jesus, and possibly without doing any good deeds), they'll go straight to hell.

If that's the sort of Christianity one believes in, sure.

And all those who died before Jesus have the same problem.

whats the sense of debating the actual existance of the soul or the reality of heaven? they cant be proven.
The point?
The point is that, right now, it is rainy and shitty in New York, and I don't want to go back outside. The point is that I am just the teensiest bit tipsy this evening and am incredibly bored.
The point, my sweetest morsel, is that if I don't argue about something pointless (like religion) with you, I will be forced to go roaming the Interwebs looking for someone else to bother, and that can only end badly for everyone involved.

Just to make sure everyone knows...my focus in this thread is not on the disabled, but on religion.

I am a Christian, and those who have no chance to understand Christ are excepted from damnation, for example, and Indonesian Moslem who has never once heard anyhitng about Christianity cannot believe in it correct? I mean how could s/he? and God cannot arbitrarily damn those withoutthe chance to know the problem lies in what does happen to them, the assumption must be Heaven, since purgatory is extremely not native to Christianity (i.e. not Biblical, Catholic dogma has very little actual Christianity in it)

God is Love, and although He is unable to abide sin, He cannot just toss life away somewhere in the Psalms (yeah, too lazy to look it up, if you want to refute it, by all means look it up yourself) the Psalmist states that "God knit us together in our mothers womb"/something to that effect, so a person incapable of accepting forgiveness (if we assume certain disabled people cannot) should really have no need of it as they don't have enough use of their faculties to know that they are sinning (same, of course holds for babies and young children, the ages at which chihldren develop past the point of accountability varis, and cannot be known by human measurment), of course, some disabled people have full capability to recognize, ordeny God, such as people who can merely not walk (although that is clearly getting away form the idea of mental handicap, I need to be specific I am sure) are fully capable of going to Hell, because they can make the choice to repent.

ps, this is a little like a rant, and I apologise, but that is how I am, and I stand on no soapbox, I assure you "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" "For there are none righteous, no not one" myself included, and I frequently fly the banner (referring to myself) "Christ Jesus died for the sake of sinners, of whom I am the worst" all of those quotes where somewhere in Paul's letters, again, if you want to refute any of my points that are directly based of the quotes look them up first

God is Love

If God is Love, why is He going to send me to Hell?

The point?
The point is that, right now, it is rainy and shitty in New York, and I don't want to go back outside. The point is that I am just the teensiest bit tipsy this evening and am incredibly bored.
The point, my sweetest morsel, is that if I don't argue about something pointless (like religion) with you, I will be forced to go roaming the Interwebs looking for someone else to bother, and that can only end badly for everyone involved.
nooooo that could only end badly for YOU or the other people you find to offend

perhaps a less offensive topic... let me think....something .... naughty

go start a thread on the educational aspects of porn and how maybe it should be part of junior year highschool sex ed.

I am a Christian, and those who have no chance to understand Christ are excepted from damnation, for example, and Indonesian Moslem who has never once heard anyhitng about Christianity cannot believe in it correct? I mean how could s/he? and God cannot arbitrarily damn those withoutthe chance to know the problem lies in what does happen to them, the assumption must be Heaven, since purgatory is extremely not native to Christianity (i.e. not Biblical, Catholic dogma has very little actual Christianity in it)

God is Love, and although He is unable to abide sin, He cannot just toss life away somewhere in the Psalms (yeah, too lazy to look it up, if you want to refute it, by all means look it up yourself) the Psalmist states that "God knit us together in our mothers womb"/something to that effect, so a person incapable of accepting forgiveness (if we assume certain disabled people cannot) should really have no need of it as they don't have enough use of their faculties to know that they are sinning (same, of course holds for babies and young children, the ages at which chihldren develop past the point of accountability varis, and cannot be known by human measurment), of course, some disabled people have full capability to recognize, ordeny God, such as people who can merely not walk (although that is clearly getting away form the idea of mental handicap, I need to be specific I am sure) are fully capable of going to Hell, because they can make the choice to repent.

ps, this is a little like a rant, and I apologise, but that is how I am, and I stand on no soapbox, I assure you "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" "For there are none righteous, no not one" myself included, and I frequently fly the banner (referring to myself) "Christ Jesus died for the sake of sinners, of whom I am the worst" all of those quotes where somewhere in Paul's letters, again, if you want to refute any of my points that are directly based of the quotes look them up first
in most christian denominations children under 7 are considered to be incapable of sin. those mentally handicapped people who will never get to the moral development of a 7 year old would probably fall under the same concept.

Ok, I've checked my calendar, and I don't see anything that says that this was "National Offend The Disabled Week". Whining about public restrooms, whining about special ed, now wondering whether they have to go to hell because they can't reason? Are you all trying to piss me off, or has it just worked out that way? I have my own personal problems with the Big Guy, which I won't discuss; but much as I wonder sometimes if he's a sadist, I can't believe he'd be that cruel.


When I said mentally handicapped, I was referring to certain individuals incapable of cognitive processes. Straight to the point, I was alluding to retardation such as people with down syndrome. You should not feel offended. I dont consider someone who has learning disabilities like dyslexia as a person who is mentally handicapped. You are just as capable as everyone else.

I was curious whether mentally handicapped people have a place in heaven. After all they arent aware of many things which make me wonder if they understand the concept of God or Jesus. The belief of Jesus and his dying for our sins is one of the essentials to be granted into the kingdom of heaven.
I hate to break this to you, but there is no heaven, and there is no God.

However, that's another topic entirely, which this thread isn't about, so I'm going to hypothetically answer your question:

Mentally handicapped people go to heaven because they haven't done anything bad, they didn't choose to be born the way they were.

Well, we can argue about this, or we can go check out that anti-immigrant thread, where we'll all just end up losing what little faith in humanity we had left.
You lost your faith in humanity in that thread too? What a coincidence.

Well, we can argue about this, or we can go check out that anti-immigrant thread, where we'll all just end up losing what little faith in humanity we had left.
oh that isnt as bad as the "do handicapped people deserve to go to school" thread.

not that it isnt completely discouraging

i am so sick of ugly politics.

If God is Love, why is He going to send me to Hell?

It's a form of extremely tough love. Like a wife beater or somesuch.

On topic: The mentally retarded do, in fact, go to heaven. However, they remain retarded once there; so 'life' continues to suck for them.

Good old god.

Just watch the south park episode "Do the Metally Handicap goto heaven?"

The pope is hilarious.

It's a form of extremely tough love. Like a wife beater or somesuch.

I see. So I get to be eternally tortured by an entity who loves me, because that entity believes I need to "learn how to behave myself" or some such. Hooray.

I see. So I get to be eternally tortured by an entity who loves me, because that entity believes I need to "learn how to behave myself" or some such. Hooray.

You know; god's out there seventy hours a week, slaying the dragon to keep a roof over this worthless family's head. Is it too much to expect that the dinner's on the table when he gets home? Is it?

You know; god's out there seventy hours a week, slaying the dragon to keep a roof over this worthless family's head. Is it too much to expect that the dinner's on the table when he gets home? Is it?

Yes. I never agreed to any contract, so the favors He has done me are irrelevant. Morality (my morality, that is, I don't care much for God's) does not dictate that I alter my personal behavior, which does not affect God, to suit His absurd preferences; no one has the right to impose his or her (or His) will on me. It merely dictates that I do not impede His freedom, which I not only have not done, but which I could not do, seeing as how He is omnipotent.

There's the "Age of Accountability" that decides when it's a matter of you believing or not believing. Before that, if you die you do get to heaven. And before anyone asks, no, it's not a set again and I'm not going to quote one.. I remember it as depending on the person, rather than a certain age.


-shrug- this is just what I remember from forever ago, so I don't have any chapters or anything for you

Morality (my morality, that is, I don't care much for God's) does not dictate that I alter my personal behavior, which does not affect God, to suit His absurd preferences; no one has the right to impose his or her (or His) will on me. It merely dictates that I do not impede His freedom, which I not only have not done, but which I could not do, seeing as how He is omnipotent.
One has the right to do everything they can physically manage. Becoming part of a society involves abandoning your right to inflict yourself on others in violation of their rights (in this case, the rights of the "defender" take priority).
God, however, would have no need for human society, and can, thus, retain the right to inflict himself on the world, a process that just so happens to include sending you to Hell.

Well nobody reely no's.
I think that itz the way they live their life!!

yes they do. especially if they get baptised
How can you “especially” go to heaven?

How can you “especially” go to heaven?
Remember that song "Stairway to Heaven"? Yeah, well people who "especially" go to heaven get to use the escalator.

When I said mentally handicapped, I was referring to certain individuals incapable of cognitive processes. Straight to the point, I was alluding to retardation such as people with down syndrome. You should not feel offended. I dont consider someone who has learning disabilities like dyslexia as a person who is mentally handicapped. You are just as capable as everyone else.



I know what you were referring to, and you're right: I'm not mentally retarded. My IQ is 140. Nor do I have dyslexia or any other learning disability. I'm only physically disabled. I'm still offended because this is another example of treating the disabled as something less than human.

God, however, would have no need for human society, and can, thus, retain the right to inflict himself on the world, a process that just so happens to include sending you to Hell.

No. My right to engage in behaviors that, practically if not completely, only affect me and those who consent to being affected is absolute; no one has the right to violate it, including God. Such rights have nothing to do with society; they are inherent in the equality of moral value all sentient beings share (obviously, a subjective contention of mine.) Because God is my equal and not my superior, He has no right to control me.

It is not exactly society that necessitates the elimination of one's capability to do whatever one chooses within the bounds of morality; it is, rather, interaction with other sentient beings, the capability of one's actions to interfere with someone else's sovereignty over their own life, and thus to violate moral egalitarianism.

Because God is my equal and not my superior, He has no right to control me.
You'll have to explain that one to me: How is the all-knowing, all-powerful, immortal Creator of all equal to some flash in the pan mortal with their knowledge and power bound to minimal amounts.
It is not exactly society that necessitates the elimination of one's capability to do whatever one chooses within the bounds of morality; it is, rather, interaction with other sentient beings, the capability of one's actions to interfere with someone else's sovereignty over their own life, and thus to violate moral egalitarianism.
One can interact violently with other human beings, however the right to be violent is given up by all parties in a polite society by means of mutual agreement. The reason why violence is still permissable in self-defense is because the aggressor has already violated the contract of non-violence.
As an immortal, God would never have needed to enter society, and would never need to agree to non-violence.

You'll have to explain that one to me: How is the all-knowing, all-powerful, immortal Creator of all equal to some flash in the pan mortal with their knowledge and power bound to minimal amounts.

Because God's power, knowledge, and age are all irrelevant to any moral obligation I might have to listen to Him. They are morally arbitrary.

If I choose of my own accord to listen to His advice because of His knowledge and experience, then that may be a wise choice, but it is not a morally obligatory one. (As far as moral value goes, since morality is subjective God's knowledge is utterly useless in that respect, and thus in this particular case there is no particular wisdom to doing so.) If I choose, because He threatens me with His power, to obey His commands, that is a choice under coercion, and while again it may be wise, it is nevertheless not a moral obligation.

damn.... tough question. Depends if they're self aware (have a soul). I don't know. My uncle was brain damaged adn I wonder if he 'died' and went to heaven when it happened or did he go to heaven when he died. Who knows? I'll ask God in ohh I'd say... 65ish years.

People, you forget: religion reserves the right to bitch slap logic any time it deems necessary. So just because a mentally challenged person might have less cognitive ability then other primates, it doesn't mean that they have less of a soul.

This illogical logic also applies to those people mentally incapable of accepting Jesus and repenting for their sins. I imagine that the most intelligent, logical response that any religiously inclined person could supply us with would be "Well, they can't, so God makes an exception for them. But not the monkeys, because they're not human". Also, a mentally handicapped person's soul can no doubt accept Jesus and repent without any of their corporeal being knowing about this. Sort of like having a parasite in your body...

You call this logic? And yet you automatically make the unfounded assumption (like most others on here) that "intelligence" == "soul"...

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/speeches/2004/january/documents/hf_jp-ii_spe_20040108_handicap-mentale_en.html

This would seem to indicate they can and do.

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/speeches/2004/january/documents/hf_jp-ii_spe_20040108_handicap-mentale_en.html

This would seem to indicate they can and do.


Thank you for posting that.

All subscribers go to Heaven.

I propose that a person who has not yet come to an age of accountability, whether it be because of being a pre-adolescents physical age or an event that might never occur during a person’s life (never due to mental illness or retardation etc.,), might actually have a ‘better’ chance of accepting the salvation of Christ and to know God (even without being fully introduced into the doctrine teaching) than those of us that question whether or not they can be saved or lost at all. As Jesus himself said of the ‘child’ (and in my opinion, the person with a child’s mind, like the mentally handicapped, is included in this description).

Mathew 18 1-6
At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, "Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?"

He called a little child and had him stand among them. And he said: "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

"And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me. But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

Luke 18 15-17
People were also bringing babies to Jesus to have him touch them. When the disciples saw this, they rebuked them. But Jesus called the children to him and said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. I tell you the truth, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it."

And in the end, who are we as mere humans, smart or average, wise or foolish, to pretend that ‘we’ are more likely saved or closer to God that anyone else, especially someone that seems a ‘simpleton’ to us.

1 Corinthians 1 20-25
Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength.


I suggest we would be wisest of all if we ensured our own salvation and relationship with God is solid so that we might be in a better position to assist the rest of the world that might call on us from time to time for assistance ;)

No. But it's because I don't believe in God, or heaven.

do Mentally Hanicapped people go to heaven?
To quote Chris Rock,

"Shit, that's the least they could do."

In actual fact, I believe that certain individuals we consider to be Mentally Handicapped are probably a lot closer to the state of heaven by nature even than many of the most religious Christians or Muslims will ever get through a lifetime of servitude. As the boundary between ourselves and those around us weakens, so do we approach the oneness with God that all those religiously inclined strive for. Things that take Buddhists years of meditation, Hindus a couple of runs through and Pagans a mountain of marijuana to understand come naturally to those of "damaged minds", while those who strive for self-promotion in the light of a personal God will never find it, and even the empathetic servants will struggle to understand before their lives are out.

The Mormons don't allow mentally disabled people to be baptised for the same reason they don't allow children under 8 to be baptised- they cannot sin, therefore don't need saving and will go straight to heaven.

I quite like that idea (I'm not Mormon, but my brother is so I have an interest in their religious practices). :)

To create someone who can never get into heaven is not in the nature of a God anyone would want to worship.

So then does this mean you're not one of those that believes all gays are evil and are going to hell? Because if so, then I applaud your consistency, a consistency which seems to be lacking in many "Christians".

no it would not be possible. all humans have souls

if there were no original sin damning us all then why would there have to be a jesus to redeem that sin?
Personal sin. We have all sinned, though I don't believe we can inherit sin. I believe babies who die at birth go to Heaven, because they have not yet sinned. That's why Jesus is needed.

No, of course they don't. But then, neither does anyone else. Because Heaven doesn't exist. Because God doesn't exist.

Now if you'll excuse me I've got some sinful athiest like things to do.
WooT!
Well, someone will forgive you! :D