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O.K. I've been thinking about this alot lately. Now then, if you've read anything in the Bible about God, you know he's a complete and total asshole. Making entire cities explode, causing massive floods, causing massive plagues, etc. etc. But, you will notice that his son, Jesus, is actually pretty cool. He says to turn the other cheek, love your enemy, etc. etc. So how does this religion sound. Worship Jesus, Jesus, and only Jesus. God can just go and screw himself. We'll be worshipping the true peace-loving-diety. We'll find out his ACTUAL birthday, not just that Christmas crap, and have a holiday then. We'll, of course, celebrate Easter. We'll do whatever JESUS said to do in the Bible, not God, unless what God says actually doesn't contradict himself or Jesus. We'll believe that God did in fact create man, the earth, etc., but he made them for his own sick and cruel experiment. We'll believe that God does in fact control nature, and does it for his own sick and cruel enjoyment. We'll believe that Jesus in fact, IS NOT in Heaven with his Father, but in another form of Heaven, consistently fighting both his Father. Christians, besides this form of Christianity, get a choice when they die of who to fight for. Jesus accepts all of the people "thrown out" of Heaven, for no good reason. (As in they are of a different religion, they're gay, they've sinned a bit too much). Jesus, in fact, doesn't hate gay people, and doesn't condone them as sinners. He understands some people don't understand him, and gladly accepts them when they die. He understands it's hard for people to obey all of his Fathers rules, and gives them a second chance when they get to HIS Heaven. Oh, and there is no hell. No Satan either. Also, parts of the Bible where Jesus talked have been re-written by the followers of God to make Jesus seem like crap. Like the part where he condones the gays with the whole "One man-One woman" thing.

So, how do you like my idea for a new religion?

O.K. I've been thinking about this alot lately. Now then, if you've read anything in the Bible about God, you know he's a complete and total asshole. Making entire cities explode, causing massive floods, causing massive plagues, etc. etc. But, you will notice that his son, Jesus, is actually pretty cool. He says to turn the other cheek, love your enemy, etc. etc. So how does this religion sound. Worship Jesus, Jesus, and only Jesus. God can just go and screw himself. We'll be worshipping the true peace-loving-diety. We'll find out his ACTUAL birthday, not just that Christmas crap, and have a holiday then. We'll, of course, celebrate Easter. We'll do whatever JESUS said to do in the Bible, not God, unless what God says actually doesn't contradict himself or Jesus. We'll believe that God did in fact create man, the earth, etc., but he made them for his own sick and cruel experiment. We'll believe that God does in fact control nature, and does it for his own sick and cruel enjoyment. We'll believe that Jesus in fact, IS NOT in Heaven with his Father, but in another form of Heaven, consistently fighting both his Father. Christians, besides this form of Christianity, get a choice when they die of who to fight for. Jesus accepts all of the people "thrown out" of Heaven, for no good reason. (As in they are of a different religion, they're gay, they've sinned a bit too much). Jesus, in fact, doesn't hate gay people, and doesn't condone them as sinners. He understands some people don't understand him, and gladly accepts them when they die. He understands it's hard for people to obey all of his Fathers rules, and gives them a second chance when they get to HIS Heaven. Oh, and there is no hell. No Satan either. Also, parts of the Bible where Jesus talked have been re-written by the followers of God to make Jesus seem like crap. Like the part where he condones the gays with the whole "One man-One woman" thing.

So, how do you like my idea for a new religion?

Sounds good. But does the leader get a funny hat?

but Jesus is God, so by worshiping Jesus aren't you really worshiping God?

oh, and you will never be able to find out His "actual birthday"

Sounds good. But does the leader get a funny hat?
Well... I'll techincally be the leader. And I've always wanted to wear a funny hat. SO HELL YES THE LEADER GETS A FUNNY HAT!

Why should we worship any deity? What right do they have to control our lives, anyway?

but Jesus is God, so by worshiping Jesus aren't you really worshiping God?

oh, and you will never be able to find out His "actual birthday"
I say Jesus is not God, only his son. And Jesus has realized many of Fathers faults, and is aiming to fix him and overtake his Father, thereby taking control of the world and nature, and making the world a great place to be.

And I will, my good man, I WILL!

but Jesus is God, so by worshiping Jesus aren't you really worshiping God?

oh, and you will never be able to find out His "actual birthday"Depend if you're coming from a Catholic view point or an Orthodox viewpoint. Remember people, Jesus is democratically divine. No one ever voted that Mohammed was divine. :p

edit: I hate people. The Orthodox church does believe Jesus is divine. It was the Arians that didn't. Bah!

Why should we worship any deity? What right do they have to control our lives, anyway?

Seconded.

Although this has some aspects of more traditional satanism to it (worship of a God against God, all that stuff).

Why should we worship any deity? What right do they have to control our lives, anyway?
I'm not forcing you to worship him, I'm just saying, doesn't this seem like a good idea? Not worshipping God, who's a total asshole, but Worshipping Jesus, who's an incredibly nice and compassionate guy!

oh, and you will never be able to find out His "actual birthday"

Well, we'll just hold a celebration every day one year until we recieve divine inspiration telling us we've found the right day. Have to be a leap year though... Just in case.

Come on! 366 days of partying!

I say Jesus is not God, only his son. And Jesus has realized many of Fathers faults, and is aiming to fix him and overtake his Father, thereby taking control of the world and nature, and making the world a great place to be.

And I will, my good man, I WILL!
so you don't buy into the whole trinity thing then?

oh, and things didn't go over to well for Lucifer when he tried to overthrow God, I doubt that Jesus would try (if He wasn't God you know) since God being all powerful would just smack Him down as well.

Well, there'd definitely be theistic and atheistic factions to the religion, those following the guy who's the son of God, and those just following a really cool guy...And technically, It'd still be some form of christianity, following Christ and all....unless you wanna call it Nazarethism or something.

so you don't buy into the whole trinity thing then?

oh, and things didn't go over to well for Lucifer when he tried to overthrow God, I doubt that Jesus would try (if He wasn't God you know) since God being all powerful would just smack Him down as well.

Oh come on. The whole Lucifer thing was obviously a set-up so that Lucifer could do God's dirty work without besmirching his name. Besides, 366 days of partying!

jesus fighting god is like relationship george fighting independent george. it would lead to the destruction of all life as we know it...

Oh come on. The whole Lucifer thing was obviously a set-up so that Lucifer could do God's dirty work without besmirching his name. Besides, 366 days of partying!

Except Lucifer is the Latin title for Jesus. :p

so you don't buy into the whole trinity thing then?

oh, and things didn't go over to well for Lucifer when he tried to overthrow God, I doubt that Jesus would try (if He wasn't God you know) since God being all powerful would just smack Him down as well.
Nope. And as I said, this religion believes God is NOT Jesus. Jesus is simply the son of god, and is fighting his Father because he realizes his Father is a complete and total ASSHOLE!

So, how do you like my idea for a new religion?

It's not new dude, it's called christian gnosticism and it has existed since the 1st century AC.

It's not new dude, it's called christian gnosticism and it has existed since the 1st century AC.
Holy shit, THIS is gnosticism? I totally had no idea what gnosticism was. Hot damn. Well, Gnosticism just got another recruit.

Holy shit, THIS is gnosticism? I totally had no idea what gnosticism was. Hot damn. Well, Gnosticism just got another recruit.

Very simplified: Christian gnostics (different from previous gnosticisms and other current gnosticisms as the muslim one) believe that the "god" of the old testament is not the actual God, but a lower being. And the christian gnostics believe that Jesus is the son of the actual God.

O.K. I've been thinking about this alot lately. Now then, if you've read anything in the Bible about God, you know he's a complete and total asshole. Making entire cities explode, causing massive floods, causing massive plagues, etc. etc. But, you will notice that his son, Jesus, is actually pretty cool. He says to turn the other cheek, love your enemy, etc. etc. So how does this religion sound. Worship Jesus, Jesus, and only Jesus. God can just go and screw himself. We'll be worshipping the true peace-loving-diety. We'll find out his ACTUAL birthday, not just that Christmas crap, and have a holiday then. We'll, of course, celebrate Easter. We'll do whatever JESUS said to do in the Bible, not God, unless what God says actually doesn't contradict himself or Jesus. We'll believe that God did in fact create man, the earth, etc., but he made them for his own sick and cruel experiment. We'll believe that God does in fact control nature, and does it for his own sick and cruel enjoyment. We'll believe that Jesus in fact, IS NOT in Heaven with his Father, but in another form of Heaven, consistently fighting both his Father. Christians, besides this form of Christianity, get a choice when they die of who to fight for. Jesus accepts all of the people "thrown out" of Heaven, for no good reason. (As in they are of a different religion, they're gay, they've sinned a bit too much). Jesus, in fact, doesn't hate gay people, and doesn't condone them as sinners. He understands some people don't understand him, and gladly accepts them when they die. He understands it's hard for people to obey all of his Fathers rules, and gives them a second chance when they get to HIS Heaven. Oh, and there is no hell. No Satan either. Also, parts of the Bible where Jesus talked have been re-written by the followers of God to make Jesus seem like crap. Like the part where he condones the gays with the whole "One man-One woman" thing.

So, how do you like my idea for a new religion?

There are worse religions out there.
The main problem is that Jesus is only part of the equation, and you need God to get the big picture of things.

The thing that you need to realize is that God is NOT an asshole. Start with that premise, and look at the Bible again.

There are worse religions out there.
The main problem is that Jesus is only part of the equation, and you need God to get the big picture of things.
I say God exists. I just say he's a total asshole.

Seconded.

Although this has some aspects of more traditional satanism to it (worship of a God against God, all that stuff).

It's Anarchism, not Satanism. I believe in God, sometimes; when I believe in Him I tend to respect Him, for leaving us alone and for some of the moral doctrines His texts can be interpreted to advocate. What I can't accept is divinely-ordained morality, because I am under no obligation to behave as any other being wants me to, and the concept of "worship," because that implies hierarchy, and I deny the superiority of any being to me.

Agreeing with God, I can understand. Talking to God (equal to equal, if to someone who has more knowledge and experience than me), I can understand. But all the rest? Unless God is a really great narcissist, I don't think He cares for much of it anyway.

Maybe it is a Lucifer complex.

I'm not forcing you to worship him, I'm just saying, doesn't this seem like a good idea? Not worshipping God, who's a total asshole, but Worshipping Jesus, who's an incredibly nice and compassionate guy!

I don't believe in worshipping anybody, nice, compassionate, or whatever. Jesus (according to the Gospels) said that you should ignore it when someone attacks you; I don't think that's compassionate, more like suicidal. And meekness is for sheep, not humans, and I don't believe the Lord is or should be my shepherd.

I say God exists. I just say he's a total asshole.

But is He really? If God were an asshole, why hasn't He taken over yet? I mean, what would any human ruler do, with that much power?

But is He really? If God were an asshole, why hasn't He taken over yet? I mean, what would any human ruler do, with that much power?

Attempt to invade and conquer His neighbors?

Nallitr''s right (Forgive the misspelling of your name)

The only reason God created the Universe was to screw around with it for his own sick, twisted, personal enjoyment.

Attempt to invade and conquer His neighbors?

Or just zap them with bolts of lightning or something. We certainly would know of his dominion, because he'd either make us all automotons or blow us to pieces if we disobeyed him. Yet God doesn't do any of that.

O.K. I've been thinking about this alot lately. Now then, if you've read anything in the Bible about God, you know he's a complete and total asshole. Making entire cities explode, causing massive floods, causing massive plagues, etc. etc. But, you will notice that his son, Jesus, is actually pretty cool. He says to turn the other cheek, love your enemy, etc. etc. So how does this religion sound. Worship Jesus, Jesus, and only Jesus. God can just go and screw himself. We'll be worshipping the true peace-loving-diety. We'll find out his ACTUAL birthday, not just that Christmas crap, and have a holiday then. We'll, of course, celebrate Easter. We'll do whatever JESUS said to do in the Bible, not God, unless what God says actually doesn't contradict himself or Jesus. We'll believe that God did in fact create man, the earth, etc., but he made them for his own sick and cruel experiment. We'll believe that God does in fact control nature, and does it for his own sick and cruel enjoyment. We'll believe that Jesus in fact, IS NOT in Heaven with his Father, but in another form of Heaven, consistently fighting both his Father. Christians, besides this form of Christianity, get a choice when they die of who to fight for. Jesus accepts all of the people "thrown out" of Heaven, for no good reason. (As in they are of a different religion, they're gay, they've sinned a bit too much). Jesus, in fact, doesn't hate gay people, and doesn't condone them as sinners. He understands some people don't understand him, and gladly accepts them when they die. He understands it's hard for people to obey all of his Fathers rules, and gives them a second chance when they get to HIS Heaven. Oh, and there is no hell. No Satan either. Also, parts of the Bible where Jesus talked have been re-written by the followers of God to make Jesus seem like crap. Like the part where he condones the gays with the whole "One man-One woman" thing.

So, how do you like my idea for a new religion?
go for it. if you get people to sign on you got yourself a new branch of christianity. it cant be any "worse" than mormons or christian scientists and its gotta be better than the branch davidians.

But is He really? If God were an asshole, why hasn't He taken over yet? I mean, what would any human ruler do, with that much power?

They call him Lord don't they? I think he technically has taken over.

Or just zap them with bolts of lightning or something. We certainly would know of his dominion, because he'd either make us all automotons or blow us to pieces if we disobeyed him. Yet God doesn't do any of that.

Nah, just eternal torture.

Or just zap them with bolts of lightning or something. We certainly would know of his dominion, because he'd either make us all automotons or blow us to pieces if we disobeyed him. Yet God doesn't do any of that.

Because He's losing the war, and can no longer devote His energies to destroying any more cities and killing any more first borns?

They call him Lord don't they? I think he technically has taken over.

Because they accept His dominion over them - not because He imposed it. Do you see Him enforcing His rule anywhere? I mean, I'm still intact, and atheistic heretic that I am, He should have zapped me a long time ago.

Nah, just eternal torture.

We don't know that. It's just His crazy worshippers who say so.

Because He's losing the war, and can no longer devote His energies to destroying any more cities and killing any more first borns?

Losing the war against Jesus? I see. I suppose that framework works. I was challenging the argument for the foundation of this religion, that God is an asshole, not the religion's capability to make sense in its current form.

Very simplified: Christian gnostics (different from previous gnosticisms and other current gnosticisms as the muslim one) believe that the "god" of the old testament is not the actual God, but a lower being. And the christian gnostics believe that Jesus is the son of the actual God.
what the deuce? so what was the actual God doing through all of the old testament? is this the God of Gods now?

Losing the war against Jesus? I see. I suppose that framework works. I was challenging the argument for the foundation of this religion, that God is an asshole, not the religion's capability to make sense in its current form.

Or against Satan. Or against every other religion. Or against the God(s) of Zoidbeglidgrad. *Shrugs* My no knows.

The only reason God created the Universe was to screw around with it for his own sick, twisted, personal enjoyment.
Which is his perogative really. An omnipotent entity is, by definition, good, as they possess the power to set the rules of the game in any way they would choose. More to the point, who's going to take the matter up with him? You can assassinate a leader, infiltrate a movement, bomb a country, and stick it to the man, but the Almighty is a bit beyond anyone's power or jurisdiction.

Wasn't it in the Wrinkle in Time series (or was it the golden compass series? My memory is failing me right now) where the book alluded to the fact that god was in power in the beginning but now is an old man barely clinging life?

O.K. I've been thinking about this alot lately. Now then, if you've read anything in the Bible about God, you know he's a complete and total asshole. Making entire cities explode, causing massive floods, causing massive plagues, etc. etc. But, you will notice that his son, Jesus, is actually pretty cool. He says to turn the other cheek, love your enemy, etc. etc. So how does this religion sound. Worship Jesus, Jesus, and only Jesus. God can just go and screw himself. We'll be worshipping the true peace-loving-diety. We'll find out his ACTUAL birthday, not just that Christmas crap, and have a holiday then. We'll, of course, celebrate Easter. We'll do whatever JESUS said to do in the Bible, not God, unless what God says actually doesn't contradict himself or Jesus. We'll believe that God did in fact create man, the earth, etc., but he made them for his own sick and cruel experiment. We'll believe that God does in fact control nature, and does it for his own sick and cruel enjoyment. We'll believe that Jesus in fact, IS NOT in Heaven with his Father, but in another form of Heaven, consistently fighting both his Father. Christians, besides this form of Christianity, get a choice when they die of who to fight for. Jesus accepts all of the people "thrown out" of Heaven, for no good reason. (As in they are of a different religion, they're gay, they've sinned a bit too much). Jesus, in fact, doesn't hate gay people, and doesn't condone them as sinners. He understands some people don't understand him, and gladly accepts them when they die. He understands it's hard for people to obey all of his Fathers rules, and gives them a second chance when they get to HIS Heaven. Oh, and there is no hell. No Satan either. Also, parts of the Bible where Jesus talked have been re-written by the followers of God to make Jesus seem like crap. Like the part where he condones the gays with the whole "One man-One woman" thing.

So, how do you like my idea for a new religion?

I would suggest paragraphs if you intend to evangelize.

Wasn't it in the Wrinkle in Time series (or was it the golden compass series? My memory is failing me right now) where the book alluded to the fact that god was in power in the beginning but now is an old man barely clinging life?
The hitchikkers guide to the galaxy

I had a thought a few days ago. If christmas was origanlly not in december, and was moved to facilitate the assimilation of pagans and thier beliefs, how come they got away with it? i mean, if th government tried to move christmas just to accomodate a minority group, from a different religion, why would people stand for it? I'd be pretty pissed off.

I would suggest paragraphs if you intend to evangelize.
Only the Devil needs to rely on paragraphs TRUE followers of JESUS can GET BY simply by RANDOMLY CAPITALIZING and uncapitalizing their words.

i would convert to it.

I had a thought a few days ago. If christmas was origanlly not in december, and was moved to facilitate the assimilation of pagans and thier beliefs, how come they got away with it?

My tentative guess would be that there was no "Christmas" beforehand. Pagans-turned-Christians changed the meaning of the holidays they had celebrated before to suit their new religion.

Wasn't it in the Wrinkle in Time series (or was it the golden compass series? My memory is failing me right now) where the book alluded to the fact that god was in power in the beginning but now is an old man barely clinging life?

Yea, Golden Compass. Weren't the angels just using him as a puppet leader in the end?

I had a thought a few days ago. If christmas was origanlly not in december, and was moved to facilitate the assimilation of pagans and thier beliefs, how come they got away with it? i mean, if th government tried to move christmas just to accomodate a minority group, from a different religion, why would people stand for it? I'd be pretty pissed off.
yeah thats not how it worked. it went more "oh look those pagans have a great holiday in december, lets say that THATS christmas" and the pagans didnt really care if someone else used their holiday (any more than they cared if there were ceremonies to other gods in their temples)

Yea, Golden Compass. Weren't the angels just using him as a puppet leader in the end?
huh? okay, haven't read that, was thinking about this, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_characters_from_The_Hitchhiker's_Guide_to_the_Galaxy#Ruler_of_the_Universe.2C_The) but maybe that's not what he was talking about anyway, since I went back and re-read his post.
The Ruler of the Universe is a man living in a small shack on a world that can only be reached with the use of an Infinite Improbability Drive. He does not want to rule the universe and tries not to whenever possible, and therefore is by far the ideal candidate for the job. He has an odd view of reality: he lives alone with his cat, which he has named "The Lord", he has a very dim view of the past, and he only believes in what he sees with his eyes and ears: anything else is hearsay. As part of this, or as another oddity, he even talked to his table for a week to see how it would react.

Less insane than most Christian denominations.

Wasn't it in the Wrinkle in Time series (or was it the golden compass series? My memory is failing me right now) where the book alluded to the fact that god was in power in the beginning but now is an old man barely clinging life?

His Dark Materials (of which Golden Compass is the first book). Pullman actually goes as far as suggesting that God is now the puppet of younger angels using him to stay in control. He's become a scared old fool trapped in something (can't remember what) who is terrified when he is found.

I can't remember the last time I read L'engle's books (which means I need to again), but if I remember correctly, L'engle doesn't adress that part.

Well... I'll techincally be the leader. And I've always wanted to wear a funny hat. SO HELL YES THE LEADER GETS A FUNNY HAT!
good. I rufuse to join religions without funny hats.

His Dark Materials (of which Golden Compass is the first book). Pullman actually goes as far as suggesting that God is now the puppet of younger angels using him to stay in control. He's become a scared old fool trapped in something (can't remember what) who is terrified when he is found.

I can't remember the last time I read L'engle's books (which means I need to again), but if I remember correctly, L'engle doesn't adress that part.

Pullman, one of my favorite authors. His Dark Materials, a crowning achievement of dark fantasy literature.

O.K. I've been thinking about this alot lately. Now then, if you've read anything in the Bible about God, you know he's a complete and total asshole. Making entire cities explode, causing massive floods, causing massive plagues, etc. etc. But, you will notice that his son, Jesus, is actually pretty cool. He says to turn the other cheek, love your enemy, etc. etc. So how does this religion sound. Worship Jesus, Jesus, and only Jesus. God can just go and screw himself. We'll be worshipping the true peace-loving-diety. We'll find out his ACTUAL birthday, not just that Christmas crap, and have a holiday then. We'll, of course, celebrate Easter. We'll do whatever JESUS said to do in the Bible, not God, unless what God says actually doesn't contradict himself or Jesus. We'll believe that God did in fact create man, the earth, etc., but he made them for his own sick and cruel experiment. We'll believe that God does in fact control nature, and does it for his own sick and cruel enjoyment. We'll believe that Jesus in fact, IS NOT in Heaven with his Father, but in another form of Heaven, consistently fighting both his Father. Christians, besides this form of Christianity, get a choice when they die of who to fight for. Jesus accepts all of the people "thrown out" of Heaven, for no good reason. (As in they are of a different religion, they're gay, they've sinned a bit too much). Jesus, in fact, doesn't hate gay people, and doesn't condone them as sinners. He understands some people don't understand him, and gladly accepts them when they die. He understands it's hard for people to obey all of his Fathers rules, and gives them a second chance when they get to HIS Heaven. Oh, and there is no hell. No Satan either. Also, parts of the Bible where Jesus talked have been re-written by the followers of God to make Jesus seem like crap. Like the part where he condones the gays with the whole "One man-One woman" thing.

So, how do you like my idea for a new religion?

This doesn't sound like a new religion. It sounds almost identical to what Marcion taught in the second century CE.

Or just zap them with bolts of lightning or something. We certainly would know of his dominion, because he'd either make us all automotons or blow us to pieces if we disobeyed him. Yet God doesn't do any of that.


See:

Sodom
Gomorrah
Hurricane Katrina
Earthquake in Thailand
The Holocaust..(perhaps not an "act of God", but im gonna mention it anyway)

You sure bout that?

What about God randomly attacking Moses in the desert?

It's not new dude, it's called christian gnosticism and it has existed since the 1st century AC.
There's really no point in trying to original these days, is there? :p

We'll find out his ACTUAL birthday, not just that Christmas crap, and have a holiday then.

Dare I ask how you plan to find out his birthday when you can't even conclusively prove his existence? ;)

Sounds all good and dandy except Jesus said, "I and my Father are One," so you'd have a awful hard time discriminating between the two. Besides, God only did the things you mentioned because of those cities'/the world's extreme sin and abominations. It's not like He gets a kick out of screwing up His own creation.

See:

Sodom
Gomorrah
Hurricane Katrina
Earthquake in Thailand

All acts of nature, not God. The Bible presents a picture of God that clearly doesn't exist, which means that at least one of the following must be true:
1. It is metaphorical
2. It is fraudulent
3. God somehow changed along the way.

Regardless, it doesn't affect my current argument about the way God is.

The Holocaust..(perhaps not an "act of God", but im gonna mention it anyway)

Humans.

You sure bout that?

Pretty sure, yes. I remain convinced that if God were trying to control us, we'd know. There's no point in randomly wreaking havoc, because it doesn't serve as a deterrent unless it's specifically directed, and obviously so. He'd punish those who violated His law, and He wouldn't be subtle about it; He'd be obvious, and make clear what law they violated.

Human leaders do not randomly leave bombs in places that could possibly be interpreted as havens of dissenters, then make it look like they weren't involved. Ambiguity is bad for intimidation.

What about God randomly attacking Moses in the desert?

Prophets are a special case. And again with the Bible.

Now then, if you've read anything in the Bible about God, you know he's a complete and total asshole. Making entire cities explode, causing massive floods, causing massive plagues, etc. etc.

Oh, the rebellious teenage years. =D
[though I don't see which man The Man would rebel against]

You must admit, though, Ass-kicking God was much more interesting to read.

And, Soheran, how do you know that humans have the free will to act on their own at all? Mayhaps this is all a giant sock puppet show put on by God?
If he were controlling us and we had no say in what we did, we WOULDN'T know. Else there wouldn't be philosophers debating over free will vs predestination.

Wow, the exact opposite of Judaism! ...can I really GO that far?

O.K. I've been thinking about this alot lately. Now then, if you've read anything in the Bible about God, you know he's a complete and total asshole. Making entire cities explode, causing massive floods, causing massive plagues, etc. etc. But, you will notice that his son, Jesus, is actually pretty cool. He says to turn the other cheek, love your enemy, etc. etc. So how does this religion sound. Worship Jesus, Jesus, and only Jesus. God can just go and screw himself. We'll be worshipping the true peace-loving-diety. We'll find out his ACTUAL birthday, not just that Christmas crap, and have a holiday then. We'll, of course, celebrate Easter. We'll do whatever JESUS said to do in the Bible, not God, unless what God says actually doesn't contradict himself or Jesus. We'll believe that God did in fact create man, the earth, etc., but he made them for his own sick and cruel experiment. We'll believe that God does in fact control nature, and does it for his own sick and cruel enjoyment. We'll believe that Jesus in fact, IS NOT in Heaven with his Father, but in another form of Heaven, consistently fighting both his Father. Christians, besides this form of Christianity, get a choice when they die of who to fight for. Jesus accepts all of the people "thrown out" of Heaven, for no good reason. (As in they are of a different religion, they're gay, they've sinned a bit too much). Jesus, in fact, doesn't hate gay people, and doesn't condone them as sinners. He understands some people don't understand him, and gladly accepts them when they die. He understands it's hard for people to obey all of his Fathers rules, and gives them a second chance when they get to HIS Heaven. Oh, and there is no hell. No Satan either. Also, parts of the Bible where Jesus talked have been re-written by the followers of God to make Jesus seem like crap. Like the part where he condones the gays with the whole "One man-One woman" thing.

So, how do you like my idea for a new religion?
That's called idol-worship. It's already a religion.