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this guy tried to sell his daughter. many of you may think maybe he is a crack addict and just wanted to buy some drugs (and theres probably a few of you that see nothing wrong with this)

but he wasnt doing it for drugs, he was doing it for renovation money.

what the hell
link (http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/04/22/daughter.forsale.ap/index.html)

hmm, he really wanted some new wallpaper i guess...

Yes, but only in bits and pieces. You know, spare parts. You get more money that way.

He probably wouldn't be the first person to sell his child. But it's still a horrendous thing to do.

Who the hell would pay good money for something that just wastes money on doctor bills, clothes and food, and can be made at home with a partner for free anyway?

LMAO i just realized the defense attorney last name "Bartman"

http://www.ayecarumba.net/info/barts/bartman.gif

how can you lose a case with that guy

Impotent people.

Hell yes I'd sell a kid! I mean, you can make another kid easy, but wallpaper money? That's important.

As a punishment he should be forced to care for his daughter and two additional special needs foster kids. That'll learn him.

Why go through the whole birthing process? Just sell your sperm/eggs. :p

As a punishment he should be forced to care for his daughter and two additional special needs foster kids. That'll learn him.

Nah. They should just come and steal all of his wall paper and furnishings.

Nah. They should just come and steal all of his wall paper and furnishings.
Two wrongs don't make a right.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Who said it was two wrongs? You could donate the furnishings to the needy just got out of college students.

New market for kids, by one get a secound half price :rolleyes:

Can you not just adopt for free?

someone who is cruel enough to sell a person, probably shouldn't have kids, although I don't think I would be comfortable with the kid being with the type of people who would buy a person.

that being said, nobody would buy my kids even if I did want to sell them.

Those of you who are saying go ahead and sell your kid <insert reason here> would you say the same thing of other forms of slavery? If you can buy and sell people, why limit it to children?

(Personally, I think the guy should be stuck in jail for the rest of his life, but due to a long-standing historical precident, I'd be reluctant to kill him.)

Those of you who are saying go ahead and sell your kid <insert reason here> would you say the same thing of other forms of slavery? If you can buy and sell people, why limit it to children?

(Personally, I think the guy should be stuck in jail for the rest of his life, but due to a long-standing historical precident, I'd be reluctant to kill him.)
Selling your kids is not slavery. It's just like putting your kids up for adoption, but for money. From a purely economic standpoint it's all positive.

Two wrongs don't make a right.
what about three?

what about three?
Three lefts do.

Three lefts do.

if you accidently go more then 3 you can always just go for 7

Those of you who are saying go ahead and sell your kid <insert reason here> would you say the same thing of other forms of slavery? If you can buy and sell people, why limit it to children?
Oh, I think this is directed to me, because me and Eridanus are the only "those of you"s

But as you may have noticed from my answer, I didn't mention slavery, just sell the organs and stuff as spare parts. Slavery is wrong and would never condone it.

Selling hard to come by organs, on the other hand... Think of it this way: by giving up a kids life you can save/improve many others.

Have a nice day! :)

Selling your kids is not slavery. It's just like putting your kids up for adoption, but for money. From a purely economic standpoint it's all positive.

Sure it is. It's treating them as if they were property to be bought and sold. Human beings are not a comodity, no matter how the corproate world may view them. Legally, you have to own something before you can sell it... do parents own their kids? If they do, then selling them is slave trade. If they don't, they have no right to sell them.

Oh, I think this is directed to me, because me and Eridanus are the only "those of you"s

But as you may have noticed from my answer, I didn't mention slavery, just sell the organs and stuff as spare parts. Slavery is wrong and would never condone it.

Selling hard to come by organs, on the other hand... Think of it this way: by giving up a kids life you can save/improve many others.

Have a nice day! :)

*laugh* have you seen that movie "The Island (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0399201/)"?

Sure it is. It's treating them as if they were property to be bought and sold. Human beings are not a comodity, no matter how the corproate world may view them. Legally, you have to own something before you can sell it... do parents own their kids? If they do, then selling them is slave trade. If they don't, they have no right to sell them.
In that regard it resembles slavery, but you still can't legally force your kid to pick cotton for 12 hours a day and beat him with a whip if he talks back or hobble him if he tries to run away. Because of that I say it's not a form of slavery, but just adoption for cash. Saying that since it shares one thing in common with slavery, the money for a person thing, is like saying that sex is rape because they both involve penetration.

What an odd man. I wonder what's going to happen to child. Poor child, has both a crappy mum and a crappy dad.

In that regard it resembles slavery, but you still can't legally force your kid to pick cotton for 12 hours a day and beat him with a whip if he talks back or hobble him if he tries to run away. Because of that I say it's not a form of slavery, but just adoption for cash. Saying that since it shares one thing in common with slavery, the money for a person thing, is like saying that sex is rape because they both involve penetration.Yeah, but adoption still isn't selling a person. It's an transfer of legal guardianship. Which is what the guy was trying to do: sell the legal guardianship of the child.

*laugh* have you seen that movie "The Island (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0399201/)"?
I did. It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. If you ask me, it'd be easier just to atrophy the clone's brain while still a fetus. Then you just keep them in a vat.

Or telling them "You're going to The Island." It'd be much better if there were regular checkups and their doctor just called them to say "oh, we noticed something, can you swing by?"

Now, that'd be chilling. But not a good action movie.

Yeah, but adoption still isn't selling a person. It's an transfer of legal guardianship. Which is what the guy was trying to do: sell the legal guardianship of the child.
Yeah but why pay a shitload of money to a middleman (adoption-agency) when you can pay the parents directly?

Yeah but why pay a shitload of money to a middleman (adoption-agency) when you can pay the parents directly?There are private adoption agencies in the USA? o.O

I thought it was a throughly governmental affair with no money ever exchanging hands.

Sure it is. It's treating them as if they were property to be bought and sold. Human beings are not a comodity, no matter how the corproate world may view them. Legally, you have to own something before you can sell it... do parents own their kids? If they do, then selling them is slave trade. If they don't, they have no right to sell them.

Under 18 children are the legal right of their parent/guardian. Legally you can put your kid up for adoption or give concent for someone else to adopt your child. Is it slavery if someone sends you a gift basket as a thank you for giving birth to their new child, or a free holiday for choosing them over another hopeful parent. You have a right to have a say in who adopts your kid and mabey something should be done to stop a wild market for this stuff, or for putting new born babys on ebay but is whats going on slavery...no.

Hmm let's see... If the father was willing to sell the child, it's a fairly safe bet that he doesn't really care for her. Therefore, as long as the child was being sold for adoption, rather than into slavery or something, she'd probably be better off.

http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/trafficking_human_beings.html

It's called human trafficking and is illegal.

http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/trafficking_human_beings.html

It's called human trafficking and is illegal.
Just because it's illegal doesn't make it wrong.

Right now, make me an offer - any offer!

(After suffering an outburst of self centred "I want it and I want it now" behaviour from my 9 year old.)

If you hadn't put the first option as "he should hang", I would have picked it.

selling kids = bad

giving them up for adoption = acceptable

Why go through the whole birthing process? Just sell your sperm/eggs. :p

The consumer receives a guaranteed product with a developed baby. Buying sperm/eggs would be far riskier.

The consumer receives a guaranteed product with a developed baby. Buying sperm/eggs would be far riskier.
Even better.
If it doesn't turn out right, you can sue them for selling a faulty product.

don't they already sell children in places like China for $4000-ish

Outsourcing strikes again!

Just because it's illegal doesn't make it wrong.
ah, but it's wrong to break the law, so yeah, that does make it wrong

*waits for the "but Rosa Parks broke the law, you are a racist" argument*

ah, but it's wrong to break the law, so yeah, that does make it wrong

*waits for the "but Rosa Parks broke the law, you are a racist" argument*

But Rosa Parks broke the law, you racist!

http://www.abestweb.com/smilies/poopy.gif

But Rosa Parks broke the law, you racist!

http://www.abestweb.com/smilies/poopy.gif
wow. didn't have to wait long....

I like the smiley though, so you are forgiven (for now) ;)