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Well, while looking at the "Where would you move?" Thread someone called all those who voted for Cuba in the polls retarded and then gave us the link to this site (http://therealcuba.com/).

Most of it is sensationalised shit. They even make fun of Castro's Parkinsons, thats just disgusting:( :mad:

Their page on racism, its just stupid, there are a few pictures of cops talking to black people (they claim this rascist) and about the poverty, what the hell does a picture of two men wheeling around a bed have to do with it?!

Then it goes on to claim that Black Rights Organsations have not done anything about a political prisoner. WTF?

There is very much justified information on the net on Cuba and the Castro government but this site is just crap.

I am getting very sick of hearing about Cuba.

Cuba is my country for when I go to model UNs. So fun to be.

Spent two weeks there on holiday last year.It seems most of the problems are caused by the embargo.Castro would have been finished years ago if it was not for it...

Cuba is my country for when I go to model UNs. So fun to be.

I gots Libya in one I had to go to for one of my subjects. That's going to be even more awesome.

I am getting very sick of hearing about Cuba.
I'd say visit the place ...Its not too bad...

I am getting very sick of hearing about Cuba.
Well, you know, you really don't have to post here.

Heres a fuffles for your... I dunno, just have a fluffle! :fluffle:

I gots Libya in one I had to go to for one of my subjects. That's going to be even more awesome.


You just have to be Bart Simpson in Das Bus (http://www.snpp.com/episodes/5F11).

Skinner: OK, Libya.. exports!
Bart: Yes, sir, you American pig!
Skinner: [chuckles] Nice touch.
Bart: Uh, ahem, let's see...
[Bart shuffles through his papers, which are blank.] The exports of Libya are numerous in amount. One thing they export is corn, or as the Indians call it, "maize". Another famous Indian was "Crazy Horse". In conclusion, Libya is a land of contrast. Thank you.

Well, you know, you really don't have to post here.

Heres a fuffles for your... I dunno, just have a fluffle! :fluffle:

Yeah, sorry. I just don't understand what's with the current wave of Cuba threads, mostly along the lines of "omg teh eebil kommiez". At least yours isn't wankery like that I guess.

Skinner: OK, Libya.. exports!
Bart: Yes, sir, you American pig!
Skinner: [chuckles] Nice touch.
Bart: Uh, ahem, let's see...
[Bart shuffles through his papers, which are blank.] The exports of Libya are numerous in amount. One thing they export is corn, or as the Indians call it, "maize". Another famous Indian was "Crazy Horse". In conclusion, Libya is a land of contrast. Thank you.

Yeah, I had that in mind. Poland would have been awesome too.

Skinner: Poland! Tell us about your nation's achievements!
Milhouse: Well, I heard they sent a rocket to the sun once.. at night. And
there was that submarine, with the screen doors..

I think the whole deal about Cuba and countries like these is that people are quick to criticise them due to conflicts in the past. Yes, in the past Cube was involved heavily in the Cold War on the side of Russia but America was also in that war. I may be going off the point here but, what gives America the authority to say "we can have weapons but you cannot" to other countries. And as for these days, yes social conditions in many South American countries are deteriorating even more but no country is without its own problems. Now, I may only be a small voice, on a small cite in a massive network, but surely i am not alone in my view.

Yeah, sorry. I just don't understand what's with the current wave of Cuba threads, mostly along the lines of "omg teh eebil kommiez". At least yours isn't wankery like that I guess.



Yeah, I had that in mind. Poland would have been awesome too.

Skinner: Poland! Tell us about your nation's achievements!
Milhouse: Well, I heard they sent a rocket to the sun once.. at night. And
there was that submarine, with the screen doors..


Ralph being Canada was quite funny, but then thats just Ralph. Being dressed as a mountie helped.

Ralph being Canada was quite funny, but then thats just Ralph. Being dressed as a mountie helped.

Yeah, that was one of the better episodes. :D

(awesome. we turned this thread around)

So how about that local sports team, eh?

Yeah, that was one of the better episodes. :D

(awesome. we turned this thread around)

So how about that local sports team, eh?


They bloody lost to the brumbies. I thought that would happen, the canes always choke in big games...




Oh wait, you weren't serious?

I am getting very sick of hearing about Cuba.
Ditto.

They bloody lost to the brumbies. I thought that would happen, the canes always choke in big games...




Oh wait, you weren't serious?


:P

:P


:D

It grows some fine Tobbaco but Havana is to well defended.

47 years and counting of dictatorship goverment that refuses to reform itself, how much longer do Cuban American immigrants, have to beg with the world to treat the dictator like a dictator, another 47 years and counting?

No Fidel no problem, No dictatorship no problem.

47 years and counting of dictatorship goverment that refuses to reform itself, how much longer do Cuban American immigrants, have to beg with the world to treat the dictator like a dictator, another 47 years and counting?

No Fidel no problem, No dictatorship no problem.
Sour grapes over property lost. No problem.

Fun in the Sun, bay-bee!

47 years and counting of dictatorship goverment that refuses to reform itself, how much longer do Cuban American immigrants, have to beg with the world to treat the dictator like a dictator, another 47 years and counting?

No Fidel no problem, No dictatorship no problem.

Well, assuming that someone else wouldn't just step into Fidel's place, I don't imagine that Fidel will last another 47 years. He's got to be eighty something by now, yes?

Well, assuming that someone else wouldn't just step into Fidel's place, I don't imagine that Fidel will last another 47 years. He's got to be eighty something by now, yes?

That is not the point, the point is he has a choosen successor, and a successor government in place, that will not reform itself either.

The problems of dictatorship continue.

Yet the world, trades, invests and dialogues with it, thus making it stronger.

No Fidel no problem, No dictatorship no problem.

Sure, people dying outside from the cold, dying from starvation, dying because of lack of healthcare, dying because the authority are unable to handle a hurricane, dying because the oil companies wanted Bush to declare a war, child not being able to go to school, all that are no problem.

Well, in Cuba, all that are no problem.

Dictatorship is a problem, and a big one. But you can't say that it's the only problem a country can have - and Cuba is the only country of South America (and even maybe of the world) which has none of the above problems, and if USA has it its way, they'll have all of them again.

The real problem is how to go towards a democratic system without giving up the social system, and that's the difficult part.

The real problem is how to go towards a democratic system without giving up the social system, and that's the difficult part.

Not really. The Cuban people are perfectly capable of ruling themselves; if the social system is really so great for them, and I agree with you that it has been largely beneficial, they will continue to support and maintain it.

Castro has no justified claim to maintaining his present status.

Not really. The Cuban people are perfectly capable of ruling themselves; if the social system is really so great for them, and I agree with you that it has been largely beneficial, they will continue to support and maintain it.

Castro has no justified claim to maintaining his present status.

Well, it's more complex than that. It's very hard to play nicely when your opponents cheat and still win. Look at Venezuela. Chavez plays nicely, tolerates nearly everything from the opposition, and what did he earn ? Strikes, sabotage, coup, ...

If the opposition was sure to remain clean and play according the rules, I do think Cuba could easily become a democracy. But since they will use any freedom granted to them to organise the dirtiest trick against the system, supported in that by USA, it's not that easy.

Sure, Chavez is still in power, and managed to handle the situation, and it's really worth it. But it's hard and risky.

I hate Cuba.

Well, it's more complex than that. It's very hard to play nicely when your opponents cheat and still win. Look at Venezuela. Chavez plays nicely, tolerates nearly everything from the opposition, and what did he earn ? Strikes, sabotage, coup, ...

If the opposition was sure to remain clean and play according the rules, I do think Cuba could easily become a democracy. But since they will use any freedom granted to them to organise the dirtiest trick against the system, supported in that by USA, it's not that easy.

Sure, Chavez is still in power, and managed to handle the situation, and it's really worth it. But it's hard and risky.

Permitting free, multi-candidate elections - or even better, decentralized participatory democracy on the basis of worker's councils - does not amount to letting the opposition break the law and subvert elections. In fact, if the population is closely involved with running the country, they will try all the harder to defend the system. That is their task, not the task of an authoritarian regime that claims to speak for them.

Went to Cuba for a 2 week holiday recently. All i can say is AWESOME! Sucks to be American i guess. One guy refused to work with my dad because he was going there. What a 'tard:p

the hypocrisy regarding US policy towards Cuba is interesting. Cuba is evil dictatorship and must be isolated! However the China is a civilized nation where we can sell a lot McDonalds,Cola and Starbuck franchises, we can ignore the fact China uses tanks to crush pro-democracy protesters and still occupys Tibet.

Before Castro came to power 97% of the people could not read, and all the land was in the hands of 5-7% of the rich. Now Cuba has a 100% literacy rate, and delivers more medical aid(doctors) around the world than any other country.

I recall an interview with a Cuban on a tv documentary he said "americans say we suppress media and a free media should be a civil right, but we see homeless americans and in Cuba having a home is a civil right."

And to think Castro originally sought aid from the US and only turned to the soviets when he was rebuffed.