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Let's just see what you all think. It's been over three years since we invaded.

No. And if Saddam Hussein had indeed possessed weapons of mass destruction, it still wouldn't have.

Let's just see what you all think. It's been over three years since we invaded.
Nope. Not really. 'Course, we all know that an invasion of Iraq would have occurred eventually anyway, regardless of President. Clinton was going to do it back in '98. Bush only did what any other President would do.

He just freaking mangled it all to hell, not to mention mistimed it and did the utterly horrible thing of trying to link it to the current events of the time. Nope, it was done at the wrong time, and was handled horridly. No, if anywhere should have been invaded, it would be Saudi Arabia.

Nope. Not the droids you were supposed to be looking for. They live in Afghanistan. And you still haven't got them, yet either. And that's what- five years now?

Nope. Not the droids you were supposed to be looking for. They live in Afghanistan. And you still haven't got them, yet either. And that's what- five years now?
"Man, it's never the droids we're looking for."
"Yeah. What's up with that?"

A lot of people in my field when I was a Marine knew the WMD's were a joke. But we aren't allowed to talk to the press. Espicially to shoot down our President's words.

A lot of people in my field when I was a Marine knew the WMD's were a joke. But we aren't allowed to talk to the press. Espicially to shoot down our President's words.

And certain people (not you) like to talk about freedom of the press don't they?

And certain people (not you) like to talk about freedom of the press don't they?

In America we are graced with the freedom of press however when you sign up for the military you lose a lot of your American rights. Speech being one of them that is severely curtailed.

In America we are graced with the freedom of press however when you sign up for the military you lose a lot of your American rights. Speech being one of them that is severely curtailed.

That's the beauty of a system that has an open-ended mechanism for determining what is an 'official secret'.

Effectively, they can whack a sticker on it, and all of a sudden, you can't talk about what time you took a dump, yesterday.

Nope, it did not, and the figurative aroma of bullshit was in the air from the day Shrub started talking about it.

Absolutely not.

Not even if there had been WMD'S, or even if Iraq was actually dealing with terrorists, wich they werent, until we showed up.

Saddam didnt even pose a threat to his neighbors, for fear of the kind of treatment he inevitably recieved anyway.

Being an asshole isnt cause enough to invade and conquer a soveriegn nation.
If it were, the U.S would own Rwanda, Kosovo, Cambodia,and any other nation with a crazy tinpot dictator.

Anyone who still feels justified in this invasion, and subjugation of a foreign country for secured oil is either a fool, or a heartless bastard, consumed by greed.
This was never a mission of mercy, done on the behalf of the poor, poor Iraqi people.
This wasnt a grand battle for Democracy, either.
Washignton doesnt give two shits what kind of government they have, or whos truly in power, so long as those refineries keep pumping away.
To deny this is also foolishness.

This was about money, and power, and the fat rich fucks who are intended upon staying that way.

Hindsight is precious, isn't it?

Absolutely not.

Not even if there had been WMD'S, or even if Iraq was actually dealing with terrorists, wich they werent, until we showed up.

Saddam didnt even pose a threat to his neighbors, for fear of the kind of treatment he inevitably recieved anyway.

Being an asshole isnt cause enough to invade and conquer a soveriegn nation.
If it were, the U.S would own Rwanda, Kosovo, Cambodia,and any other nation with a crazy tinpot dictator.

Anyone who still feels justified in this invasion, and subjugation of a foreign country for secured oil is either a fool, or a heartless bastard, consumed by greed.
This was never a mission of mercy, done on the behalf of the poor, poor Iraqi people.
This wasnt a grand battle for Democracy, either.
Washignton doesnt give two shits what kind of government they have, or whos truly in power, so long as those refineries keep pumping away.
To deny this is also foolishness.

This was about money, and power, and the fat rich fucks who are intended upon staying that way.
Pritty much and...


Hindsight is precious, isn't it?
You'll find that millions of us took to the street becasue we could see through the thin lies of Bush and Blair. it isn't hindsight, we know it now and we knew it then.

Hindsight is precious, isn't it?

I like cheese. Does that count?

No. I didn't believe it was a threat at the time of the invasion, and haven't seen anything to change my mind since.

No, it didn't pose the least threat. It was only invaded to raid it for its ressouces :rolleyes:
That wmd stuff was a ridiculously made up lie right from the beginning.

No, it didn't pose the least threat. It was only invaded to raid it for its ressouces :rolleyes:
That wmd stuff was a ridiculously made up lie right from the beginning.

I particularly like the way that the objectives changed after about a month.

"Invade to find WMDs? Nah... we were always invading to protect Iraqi freedom and anyone who says otherwise is lying and a threat to democracy."

Let's just see what you all think. It's been over three years since we invaded.
I had some respect for your "fearless" leader until the moment that he took his eye off Afghanistan. The very moment that he started sabre rattling with Iraq, I called bullshit, especially since the UN inspectors were in Iraq searching for something that they could never find.

I was disgusted with all the talk of "Shock and Awe", and was severely perplexed with what had happened to the "we will smoke them out of their caves" rhetoric. BTW, where is Osama Bin Hidden?

Millions of people around the world marched in peaceful demonstrations pleading with Bush and the US....No War With Iraq!!!

This chart sums it up perfectly:

http://logo.cafepress.com/5/156815.jpg

This chart sums it up perfectly:

http://logo.cafepress.com/5/156815.jpg
Oh, a chart! You know that calls for a song, right? :D
Hit it!
The President, he's got his war
Folks don't know just what it's for
Nobody gives us rhyme or reason
Have one doubt, they call it treason
We're chicken-feathers, all without one gut
(God damn it!)
Tryin' to make it real — compared to what?
(Sock it to me, now)
I bet you expected
"War, huh, yeah
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing" ;)

Nope. Not really. 'Course, we all know that an invasion of Iraq would have occurred eventually anyway, regardless of President. Clinton was going to do it back in '98. Bush only did what any other President would do.
Nice try to put some of this off on Clinton, especially since he didn't do it.

He just freaking mangled it all to hell, not to mention mistimed it and did the utterly horrible thing of trying to link it to the current events of the time. Nope, it was done at the wrong time, and was handled horridly. No, if anywhere should have been invaded, it would be Saudi Arabia.
Invading Saudi Arabia would have been just as bad if not worse than invading Iraq.

Oh, a chart! You know that calls for a song, right? :D
Hit it!

I bet you expected
"War, huh, yeah
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing" ;)
I saw Edwin Starr perform that song live in Toronto in 1970. :D

Invading Saudi Arabia would have been just as bad if not worse than invading Iraq.
Invading an allied nation? You bet that would have been worse.

And Kyronea, I don't think I understand you, why should Saudi Arabia be invaded? They most definitely were not a threat to the US, and the WMD-excuse would clearly not be valid. Is it just because most of the hijackers on 9/11 were Saudi nationals you suggest this?

I saw Edwin Starr perform that song live in Toronto in 1970. :D
You lucky bastard! :p

Invading an allied nation? You bet that would have been worse.

And Kyronea, I don't think I understand you, why should Saudi Arabia be invaded? They most definitely were not a threat to the US, and the WMD-excuse would clearly not be valid. Is it just because most of the hijackers on 9/11 were Saudi nationals you suggest this?
Actually, no. I just felt like inserting the obligatory idiot post before an actual Republican did. Sorry for the confusion.

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DAMN IT KYRONEA GO TO BED! *slaps self*

Actually, no. I just felt like inserting the obligatory idiot post before an actual Republican did. Sorry for the confusion.

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DAMN IT KYRONEA GO TO BED! *slaps self*
Ok then. Thanks for clearing that up. Happy slapping! ... oh, sorry, meant sleeping, yeah, that's it. Sleeping. :p

Nope. Not the droids you were supposed to be looking for. They live in Afghanistan. And you still haven't got them, yet either. And that's what- five years now?

I agree. America has superior military forces and economic resources and Osama Bin Laden is an old man on a dialysis machine hiding in a cave. And they still haven't found him! It has got to be one of the best examples of incompetence in the history of mankind.

Hindsight is precious, isn't it?

Maybe hindsight will tell us if America's decision to cut Iraq off without any more aid (not even a penny) was the right one. Better still, if the corruption and shoddy accounting on the part of Americans when they were spending the Iraqis' own money was the right thing to do!

I agree. America has superior military forces and economic resources and Osama Bin Laden is an old man on a dialysis machine hiding in a cave. And they still haven't found him! It has got to be one of the best examples of incompetence in the history of mankind.

No, that's not it. Osama actually has been found many times. But each time American troops find him, he waves his hands and goes "I am not the Bin you are looking for. You want the trash bin" and they all go away thinking that they've got the wrong dude and assault the nearest dumpster. :p

hell if i can see how it ever could have either. an economic threat to corporocratic interests in it's regeon maybe. but that's about it. standing between bush's wanna be klingon mentality and his blood wine maybe. or perceived by his puppet masters as doing so. that and a steping stone to maintianing an iron fisted us world domination.

=^^=
.../\...

so, did Iraq pose a grave and iminent threat to the US?

No, and if oil was the reason we invaded, it was really pointless, because gas is still $3.00 a gallon. You'd think that us controlling the second largest oil supply in the world (I think) would bring prices down, but no. Especially since they put so much effort into protecting the refineries during the war.

No, and I dont believe the Bush Administration thought it did either.

Best as I can tell it was a 'strategic move'....aha :rolleyes: - :rolleyes: I can hear the eyeballs rolling, I didnt say it was a good strategic move.:p

I believe the Iraq invasion was motivated by the 'strategic vision' (US global dominance) that is either wide-spread or ubiquitous amongst the highest level officials in the Bush Administration, (and I expect a large number in the governmental/law enforcement/security/military departments).

For a series of reasons Iraq appeared a 'good bet' for those intent on foisting their ideological vision on the US and the world, by "stealth".

Iraqs Republican Army was in tatters after the Persian Gulf war. Their antiquated machinery would have been and was no match for the Amercian arsenal. Yes, Saddam Hussein was a crazy dictator. But in no way did he pose a direct or even regional threat to the US. The only reason President Bush decided to invade Iraq was to secure the 2nd largest oil supply in the world for the US. Install a puppet government and send Halliburton and all of his corporate johns to secure the country for the multinational corporations. Never mind the IRAQI PEOPLE. They won't make a fuss if you give them the illusion of "Democracy", they don't know any better.

Fuck you President shithead. and fuck you to all those dingbat Americans who voted for him. :upyours:

No, and i never believed it did.

I agree. America has superior military forces and economic resources and Osama Bin Laden is an old man on a dialysis machine hiding in a cave. And they still haven't found him! It has got to be one of the best examples of incompetence in the history of mankind.

How many times has the larger power been brought down by the much smaller side? Vietnam, Revolutionary War ect...

No, and i never believed it did.



How many times has the larger power been brought down by the much smaller side? Vietnam, Revolutionary War ect...

Precisely! America doesn't have a hope. They only found Saddam Hussein because someone spilt the beans. What's the betting that he was tired of being shut up in the little hole and wanted to be found? Better food, central heating, etc.

Of course it did - it had a strong military capable of invading and kicking US ally ass, huge missiles capable of delivering WMD agents to anywhere in the world, and you know, WMDs.

If that sounds stupid, it's because it is overwhelming sarcasm.

Of course it did - it had a strong military capable of invading and kicking US ally ass, huge missiles capable of delivering WMD agents to anywhere in the world, and you know, WMDs.
The one set-piece battle of Gulf War II was 200 Iraqi armoured vehicles staging a daylight counter-attack on the British forces surrounding Basra. They got massacred by stationary AS-90s of the 7th Armored Brigade, which weren't even dug in, just parked in the desert.

Ooh. Saddam Hussein posed such a threat to his neighbours. :rolleyes:

No.

I did not believe it then and I do not believe it now.

Of course it did - it had a strong military capable of invading and kicking US ally ass, huge missiles capable of delivering WMD agents to anywhere in the world, and you know, WMDs.

If that sounds stupid, it's because it is overwhelming sarcasm.
A strong second. That's why they were able to deal such overwhelming casualties to US forces and stonewall our assault for years!

No, it didn't pose the least threat. It was only invaded to raid it for its ressouces :rolleyes:
That wmd stuff was a ridiculously made up lie right from the beginning.


Yes-and we are certainly reaping the rewards of our plunder now as massive tankers full of Iraqi oil steam toward the US.

:rolleyes:

A strong second. That's why they were able to deal such overwhelming casualties to US forces and stonewall our assault for years!
Of course, the continuous outpouring of affection, adulation and all-round hero-worship experienced by the coalition forces makes it hard to focus on the task-at-hand, which is of course to bring Starbuck's and Denny's franchises to Baghdad.

Iraqs Republican Army was in tatters after the Persian Gulf war. Their antiquated machinery would have been and was no match for the Amercian arsenal. Yes, Saddam Hussein was a crazy dictator. But in no way did he pose a direct or even regional threat to the US. The only reason President Bush decided to invade Iraq was to secure the 2nd largest oil supply in the world for the US. Install a puppet government and send Halliburton and all of his corporate johns to secure the country for the multinational corporations. Never mind the IRAQI PEOPLE. They won't make a fuss if you give them the illusion of "Democracy", they don't know any better.

Fuck you President shithead. and fuck you to all those dingbat Americans who voted for him. :upyours:


Take a deep breath, Jr. You'll be able to vote someday too.

Of course, the continuous outpouring of affection, adulation and all-round hero-worship experienced by the coalition forces makes it hard to focus on the task-at-hand, which is of course to bring Starbuck's and Denny's franchises to Baghdad.

That would be so terrible, wouldnt it? Building places for Iraqi's to actually work? Clean business establishments where people can make a living is the end of the world.

That would be so terrible, wouldnt it? Building places for Iraqi's to actually work? Clean business establishments where people can make a living is the end of the world.
Your Satire-o-meter is outta whack, there CL. Time for your 6000+ post checkup, methinks.

Invading an allied nation? You bet that would have been worse.

And Kyronea, I don't think I understand you, why should Saudi Arabia be invaded? They most definitely were not a threat to the US, and the WMD-excuse would clearly not be valid. Is it just because most of the hijackers on 9/11 were Saudi nationals you suggest this?

I'll field that one, Tom.

If the justification for invading Iraq was some line about "freedom" and "democracy", then we should have invaded and "liberated" the Saudis, as the Saudi government is about 8,534,719 times more oppressive than Saddam's Iraq. Plus, Saudi Arabia has a lot more oil.

Your Satire-o-meter is outta whack, there CL. Time for your 6000+ post checkup, methinks.


I'll take your advice-after all, you are the stable and fair voice of well -rounded reason, right? :p

I'll take your advice-after all, you are the stable and fair voice of well -rounded reason, right? :p
I've yet to make that claim. Right, CL? ;)

I was against it from before it started, and still am.
Should have left it in the hands of the UN.

I'll take your advice-after all, you are the stable and fair voice of well -rounded reason, right? :p

Dobbs comes off a exponentially more reasonable that you, Lickey. All you do is go around and make stoopid half-witted comments about libruls.

No. And if Saddam Hussein had indeed possessed weapons of mass destruction, it still wouldn't have.

He had them... hid them very well. Iraq's a big place with a shit-load of potential hiding spots.

The real issue was that Saddam had to be deposed.

Fuck you President shithead. and fuck you to all those dingbat Americans who voted for him. :upyours:

HAHAHAHAHHAHA - Best 1 line rant ever.
________

Nonetheless, I find it funny they haven't found Osama Bin Hidin' in his holes after so long in Afghanistan, but they found Saddam in a similar hole in Iraq.
Sure, Osama coulda ran off somewhere else, but shit, they found Saddamn in a hole SO DAMN QUICK.

Oh, and I find the poll results to be remarkably telling. Close to 80% in favour of "no and NO".... I'm in that group too.

Dobbs comes off a exponentially more reasonable that you, Lickey. All you do is go around and make stoopid half-witted comments about libruls.

stupid half witted comments about liberals? Thats ALL I do?

I dont know that I've ever used the word "liberal" in NS before just now.

Either you have someone else in mind, or you have some sort of brain damage.

He had them... hid them very well. Iraq's a big place with a shit-load of potential hiding spots.
The real issue was that Saddam had to be deposed.

In defence of the post you replied to, you totally missed the point.
Even if he DID happen to have the things, he didn't pose a threat, and it does not justify invasion.

Either way - a shit-load of potential hiding spots? They can find one old decrepid little ex-dictator in a hold, but they can't find BIG FRIGGIN' BOMBS 'N SHIT anywhere in the country to proove he had 'em? C'mon.

And why did he hAVE to be deposed?

I've yet to make that claim. Right, CL? ;)


I was just returning a sarcastic favor, Dobbs. I'm not here to attack you personally.

We'd probably get along great in person. As long as we didnt talk politics or religion.
Which I never do with friends anyway.

He had them... hid them very well. Iraq's a big place with a shit-load of potential hiding spots.

The real issue was that Saddam had to be deposed.

It must be really, REALLY hard to beat your conscience and common sense into submission every morning. Do you use a baseball bat? How do you avoid concussions?

And why did he hAVE to be deposed?

Because he planned both 9/11 AND the conspiracy to remove the tinfoil hats from those that know the truth! Along with the Civil War! :eek:






:p

We'd probably get along great in person. As long as we didnt talk politics or religion.
Which I never do with friends anyway.
But... but... those're my two fave topix fer conversations! We'd just end up sitting there, alternating between strong weed and strong coffee until we'd either pass out, or run a marathon.

I'll field that one, Tom.

If the justification for invading Iraq was some line about "freedom" and "democracy", then we should have invaded and "liberated" the Saudis, as the Saudi government is about 8,534,719 times more oppressive than Saddam's Iraq. Plus, Saudi Arabia has a lot more oil.
I get it ;)
He had them... hid them very well. Iraq's a big place with a shit-load of potential hiding spots.
Sure... Because that's the point of WMD when your country gets invaded by an overwhelming enemy. To leave them lying under sand somewhere.

The real issue was that Saddam had to be deposed.
1) Why?
2) No, that wasn't the real issue.

Because he planned both 9/11 AND the conspiracy to remove the tinfoil hats from those that know the truth! Along with the Civil War! :eek:
Actually, the real conspiracy is that tinfoil hats in reality enhance the signals, thereby making it easier for the government to... :eek: I've said too much!
I meant, there is no conspiracy! Honest! Fnord

But... but... those're my two fave topix fer conversations! We'd just end up sitting there, alternating between strong weed and strong coffee until we'd either pass out, or run a marathon.

Well- you might see things more my way in person. I can be so much more persuasive face to face. :p
There's so much more to talk about.

You could save my half of the weed-I dont like coughing that much these days.

Actually, the real conspiracy is that tinfoil hats in reality enhance the signals, thereby making it easier for the government to... :eek: I've said too much!
I meant, there is no conspiracy! Honest!

:eek:

That means... they know! everything! those who know the truth will soon be exterminated!

:eek:

That means... they know! everything! those who know the truth will soon be exterminated!
Hm? What are you looking at me for? I haven't done... Look behind you! A three-legged elephant!
*runs away*

Hm? What are you looking at me for? I haven't done... Look behind you! A three-legged elephant!
*runs away*

An elephant? A three-legged... elephant?

-flees-

In defence of the post you replied to, you totally missed the point.
Even if he DID happen to have the things, he didn't pose a threat, and it does not justify invasion.

Either way - a shit-load of potential hiding spots? They can find one old decrepid little ex-dictator in a hold, but they can't find BIG FRIGGIN' BOMBS 'N SHIT anywhere in the country to proove he had 'em? C'mon.

And why did he hAVE to be deposed?

why did he have to be deposed?

Are you serious?

He had them... hid them very well. Iraq's a big place with a shit-load of potential hiding spots.

The real issue was that Saddam had to be deposed.

No. The real issue was that Saddam had WMDs. That's the reason we were given for why we needed to go to war.

:eek:

That means... they know! everything! those who know the truth will soon be exterminated!
Uh-oh... does this involve Daleks?

why did he have to be deposed?

Are you serious?

Why Saddam? Why not one of the 20 or so other dictators oppressing their people?

Hm? What are you looking at me for? I haven't done... Look behind you! A three-legged elephant!
*runs away*

Oooohh! Tenderfoot!! You just keep scraping along!

[/sb]

why did he have to be deposed?

Are you serious?


Yes. I'm serious.
Otherwise I wouldn't have asked.
Answer the question with a real answer, not another question, expecting me to "figure it out myself."

Uh-oh... does this involve Daleks?

...maybe.

is it sad that I had to look that up to see what it was? :(

Why Saddam? Why not one of the 20 or so other dictators oppressing their people?
I call it a cultural hangover from the days of the Cold War. Every red-blooded American was programmed to think of Joe Stalin as the enemy of God, Mom & Apple Pie - and that was one heckuva Stalin-esque moustache Saddam used to sport, back in the day.

It's all about the facial hair.

I call it a cultural hangover from the days of the Cold War. Every red-blooded American was programmed to think of Joe Stalin as the enemy of God, Mom & Apple Pie - and that was one heckuva Stalin-esque moustache Saddam used to sport, back in the day.

It's all about the facial hair.

But Castro has a full beard, and Mao was clean shaven. No, no, no, none of this jives at all.

is it sad that I had to look that up to see what it was? :(
Depends on how you look at it.

But Castro has a full beard, and Mao was clean shaven. No, no, no, none of this jives at all.
But Castro and Mao weren't Joe Stalin!

Why Saddam? Why not one of the 20 or so other dictators oppressing their people?
Because Saddam sounds like Sodomy, and we all know that gays are pure 3v1l, so the fact that Saddam was showing solidarity with the Militant Gay Mafia was the final, damning point against him.
You can be gay, you can be evil, you can be a dictator; you can even be some combination of two of those traits, but when you mix all three, you're going down.

...maybe.

is it sad that I had to look that up to see what it was? :(
No, but it is sad that I knew what he was talking about immediatly.

Because Saddam sounds like Sodomy, and we all know that gays are pure 3v1l, so the fact that Saddam was showing solidarity with the Militant Gay Mafia was the final, damning point against him.
You can be gay, you can be evil, you can be a dictator; you can even be some combination of two of those traits, but when you mix all three, you're going down.
And it was a Helluva moustache, don't forget the 'stache.

No, but it is sad that I knew what he was talking about immediatly.
...which is what I was driving at in my response to Wizard Glass.

Yes. I'm serious.
Otherwise I wouldn't have asked.
Answer the question with a real answer, not another question, expecting me to "figure it out myself."

My guess is that your answer will be akin to something Dennis Leary is noted for saying...

"...[T]his country was founded on two things. Meat, and war. You eat enough fucking meat, you wanna kill somebody. That's the way it works. That was the ultimate American dream. During that Persian Gulf War, I was sitting in my living room, naked, with a can of Budweiser and a three inch stake watching the war, live, on TV. I had a six foot erection with a giant cheese burger on the end of it. I ate so much meat during the war that by the time the war was over three weeks later, I was like, "No no no. We need to keep fighting. Make a couple of stops on our way home from the Persian Gulf. First stop! Vietnam! Surprise the fuck out of those people, huh?" "You make a movie?" "Not this time, pal!"..."

But Castro and Mao weren't Joe Stalin!

But all good, God-fearing Americans hate those commie bastards too, but their facial hair didn't meet qualifications.

Depends on how you look at it.

And how should I be looking at it to make it less sad?


No, but it is sad that I knew what he was talking about immediatly.

Yaaay, that's a good way to look at it. For me, anyway ;)

But all good, God-fearing Americans hate those commie bastards too, but their facial hair didn't meet qualifications.Well, Castro wuz just a Caribbean hippy puppet of Moscow, everybody knew that, hence the beard - and those crazy Chinamen, they couldn't and still can't support a proper 'stache - and everybody knew that, too. Besides, the Chinamen weren't the ones putting dogs in orbit.

Well, Castro wuz just a Caribbean hippy puppet of Moscow, everybody knew that, hence the beard - and those crazy Chinamen, they couldn't and still can't support a proper 'stache - and everybody knew that, too. Besides, the Chinamen weren't the ones putting dogs in orbit.

True, but they do put dogs into food. Where's animal rights when you need them?

The facial hair theory of dictators does have merit. I mean, look at how many evil villains have facial hair. I believe comic books are a historical record, passed down from generation to generation...

True, but they do put dogs into food. Where's animal rights when you need them?

The facial hair theory of dictators does have merit. I mean, look at how many evil villains have facial hair. I believe comic books are a historical record, passed down from generation to generation...
Don't forget the highly valuable documentaries of wars chronicled in the Flash Gordon serials...

http://www.defaultresponse.com/upload/ming_merciless_size_0.jpg

Now there's a 'stache...

Not now, not then, not ever.

When that dumbass bastard got declared winner the first time around -- before any of us could even imagine 9/11 -- my whole family and all my friends and I said the same thing at the same time: "Terrific. Now we're going to be at war with Iraq."

Who didn't see this coming? The whole Bush II admin is the same gang that never stopped bitching and whining and crying because Bush I didn't go into Baghdad and "finish the job -- BOOyah!" :rolleyes: (jerk-offs)

But, the facial hair theory can't explain them all.

Look at Blofeld...


http://hem.passagen.se/tallgren/yolt-blofeld.jpg

I know I shouldn't, but...

He had them... hid them very well. Iraq's a big place with a shit-load of potential hiding spots.
If I suggested some places you might look for Saddam's WMDs, would you?

The real issue was that Saddam had to be deposed.
Still waiting to find out why.

Look at Blofeld...
I would, but your link doesn't appear to be working.
Soes: Drat, Foiled again!
*twirls cape and dissappears in a could of smoke*

I know I shouldn't, but...
Oh, you matador, you.

I would, but your link doesn't appear to be working.
Soes: Drat, Foiled again!
*twirls cape and dissappears in a could of smoke*

It works when I click it... They must have gotten to you!

But, the facial hair theory can't explain them all.

Look at Blofeld...


http://hem.passagen.se/tallgren/yolt-blofeld.jpg
His *ahem* cat was hairy.

(Commence joking. :) )

His *ahem* cat was hairy.

(Commence joking. :) )
His palms were hairy, too. I mean, with a face like that, it just kinda follows...
http://www.orionsarm.com/images/blofcat1.jpg

Still waiting to find out why.
Because if Iraq didn't desolve into civil war, there wouldn't be a good reason for the US to set up a puppet dictatorship.

Oh, you matador, you.
http://www.wavsite.com/sounds/57075/bugs20.wav

(audio -- enjoy)

His palms were hairy, too. I mean, with a face like that, it just kinda follows...
http://www.orionsarm.com/images/blofcat1.jpg
And he was near-sighted and squinty. :)

Because if Iraq didn't desolve into civil war, there wouldn't be a good reason for the US to set up a puppet dictatorship.
Of course! Du-uh! *slaps forehead* How could I have missed that?

The funniest part of this thread is that only just more than 6% of poll voters are in the "yes" catagories, and only two jokers have had the guts to try and justify it all.

Where's Corny when ya need 'im?!?!

Where's Corny when ya need 'im?!?!
Receiving his programming for next fiscal quarter, no doubt.

My guess is that your answer will....

Actually, I don't think I'm even going to get an answer.

Scoreboard:
Zakanistan - 1
Frangland - 0
(I'm a jerk)

Either that, or he's doing a LOT of researching... if he seriously does prove me wrong, in that the US HAD to depose Saddam, well, hell, I'll call myself a jackass and eat this post.
Somehow I don't think that'll happen though.

He had them... hid them very well. Iraq's a big place with a shit-load of potential hiding spots.



I was wondering how many pages it would be till somebody said something pointless..... The ISG concluded that there were no weapons, and that the factories to produce these weapons did not exist anymore. This has been verified by the UN.

You'll note that as time goes on, less and less people try the "they'll turn up line"....

I can't pass up a second opportunity to link this great article.

Heroes in error: How a fake general, a pliant media, and a master manipulator helped lead the United States into war. (http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2006/03/heroes_in_error.html)

The story explains how the US-funded INC used its money to promote fake stories -- including interviews with fake generals -- in order to build the case to invade Iraq. The media was decieved by these fakes.

Too some extents yes, both the Terrortories of Saudia Arabia and Israel were in the line of fire as the collective they are known as the state of Saudi Israelia

He had them... hid them very well. Iraq's a big place with a shit-load of potential hiding spots.

The real issue was that Saddam had to be deposed.

And, even though we had pretty little annotated pictures before the Second Gulf War showing the vast nuclear installations, they have not, will not and, frankly, cannot be found. "Why?" I hear you ask. Because there weren't any in the first place.

I shall also join the call: "Why did Saddam have to be deposed?"

I shall also join the call: "Why did Saddam have to be deposed?"
Well it's obvious that the answer can't be that we wanted to take out the worst leader in the world. If we wanted to do that we would have went to Africa or SE Asia. Or that we wanted to take out the greatest threat to neighbors, again we would have had to look at Africa or even Israel. I guess there must be another reason out there somewhere.

I was wondering how many pages it would be till somebody said something pointless..... The ISG concluded that there were no weapons, and that the factories to produce these weapons did not exist anymore. This has been verified by the UN.

I know where they are. They are extremely well hidden...in Frangland's head. Quick! Somebody get a buzzsaw. It's time to perform some lobotomy! :p

Well it's obvious that the answer can't be that we wanted to take out the worst leader in the world. If we wanted to do that we would have went to Africa or SE Asia. Or that we wanted to take out the greatest threat to neighbors, again we would have had to look at Africa or even Israel. I guess there must be another reason out there somewhere.

Tecquin Whittock: cough Oil

Take a deep breath, Jr. You'll be able to vote someday too.

:upyours: :upyours: I am a registered voter you condecending asswipe, and I certainly did not vote for our criminal president. :upyours: :upyours:

No. And most uncontravertibly less so than car bombs, road side bombs, suicide bombers and insurrectionists.