NationStates Jolt Archive

It appears to me that differnt parts of the American "Republic" are in huge disagreements with each other. While California almost has an open door policy on immigration, Georgia has some of the strictest in the country. From gay rights, to abortion, to what wing of politics should run our country...Americans just can't seem to get along.

So what if we just went our seperate ways?

Is this possible in your view? Can it happean? Will it happean? How and should it happean? And what new nation states do you think would arise. Once more question:
Would it ever devolve into open warfare?

It appears to me that differnt parts of the American "Republic" are in huge disagreements with each toher. While California almost has an open door policy on immigration, Georgia has some of the strictest in the country. From gay rights, to abortion, to what wing of politics should run our country...Americans just can't seem to get along.

So what if we just went our seperate ways?

Is this possible in your view? Can it happean? Will it happean? How and should it happean? And what new nation states do you think would arise. Once more question:
Would it ever devolve into open warfare?

Well, if it ever did happen, war would occur.

ok..looking for a little more depth.

http://www.2kgames.com/shatteredunion/home.php
Hmm...look at the little trailer. Put Hilary in the presidents place....and we could have the future...

Simple really, everyone here wants to instill thier own version of thier morals. In America, everyone has thier chance to do this, it is a blessing and a curse at the same time. Personally, I am pro-freedom and laugh at both sides.

So...is that a yes? Arrgh! A little more indepth people!

We don't disagree all that much. Most of it is illusory. In thirty years, neither abortion nor gay marriage will be major issues.

Ok...how so?

From now on, post with at least a 3 sentence reply...please...I want to leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeearn!

Ok...how so?

Do you see many people advocating violence on either side of the abortion/gay marriage debates? There's a whole lot of ranting, but little violent action. Little mass protest, too. Just a lot of resorting to the traditional electoral means - which is not a recipe for violence and political division.

Most people really don't care all that much.

If you are thinking of things that are going to cause real social unrest in this country, I can think of a few:

1. The growth in the gap between rich and poor;
2. Peak Oil and other potential resource shortages;
3. The necessity of dealing somehow with global warming and general environmental destruction;
4. Immense and increasing debt;
5. Growing international competition. I don't just mean outsourcing, also the competition presented by countries like China for the allegiance of other countries.
6. The economic immobility of large portions of racial minorities, especially African Americans. Also plays into (1).
7. The "minority majority." We are looking at a possible excuse for a massive white racist backlash, esp. with the illegal immigration issue (which will only become more prominent), the competition for scraps caused by (1-5), and the deep-seated resentment caused by (6).

Edit: Oh yes, and -
8. Political parties that obsess about things most people see as irrelevant (like abortion and gay marriage) while more important matters languish ignored in the background.

Strictly speaking a civil war takes place within the same political community and represents a struggle for power between competing factions that is decided through violence.

The American civil war fits the category as it was about one part of the country's attempt to break away from the rest and it involved a clash between organised armies.

After the Bolshevik revolution there was a civil war in Russia as the 'white' forces loyal to the old order fought the 'red' forces of the new.

Pronounced differences in religion or ethnicity may produce a civil war if one community decides it is intolerable to live in a state dominated by another.

The militants will use sectarian attacks in order to polarise the country and undermine any claims by the state to be representing all sections of the population.

I can't help but think that the country is becoming more and more polerized. I bring special attention to this:
Pronounced differences in religion or ethnicity may produce a civil war if one community decides it is intolerable to live in a state dominated by another.
Everyone feels like a minority: The right hates the liberal intellectuals and media, the liberials hate the right run government.

California is a great example. Most of the state is conservative, but are overshadowed by the liberal coastal cities. I know many an angry Californian who dreams of "sweeping through San Fransisco" because they are tired of being unrepresented.

But I find your points very interesting.

Everyone feels like a minority: The right hates the liberal intellectuals and media, the liberials hate the right run government.

You have been listening to too many demagogues. Most people don't think that way; their greater concerns are their ability to provide for their families and to at least exercise some control over their lives.

The fake "populism" of the US conservatives has little basis in truth, but its political efficacy makes me think that we could be looking at a recipe for fascism decades down the road. Not from today's Right, whose leadership is content with extremist state-subsidized capitalism without the ultra-chauvinist and radical authoritarian elements, but from many of the people who currently support it. The chief element that is lacking is a strong leftist movement.

California is a great example. Most of the state is conservative, but are overshadowed by the liberal coastal cities. I know many an angry Californian who dreams of "sweeping through San Fransisco" because they are tired of being unrepresented.

Right, and sometimes I wish I could go South and play gay porn movies in the megachurches, but that's the way all political divisions work. The rhetoric is harsh and always has been harsh; the question is how genuine the emotion behind it is.

Ah, Isee. Anyone else on this?

[QUOTE=The Horde Of Doom]Would it ever devolve into open warfare?/QUOTE]

Open war? No. Unlike in the Civil War, people who have the same ideas don't live in the same place. Sure you have Liberal states like California, and Conservative ones like Kansas, but ht majority of the states have a a mix of ideas and even in stats like CA and KA there are still groups of minority liberals and conservatives. http://www.vickiforman.com/archives/purple_america_2004b-thumb.gif

The worst thing that would happen would be if fanatics from either side started fighting but I don't think that would get very far even if it did happen.

Didn't some guy get nailed to a tree for asking that??

It's because of the immigrants..they're causing a civil war so that they can form the Empire.

It's because of the immigrants..they're causing a civil war so that they can form the Empire.

The only solution is for America to nuke itself so the immigrants won't want it and then the Mutated States of America can live free from the evil people from 'Other Countries'

Didn't some guy get nailed to a tree for asking that??
Yea, poor poor Spartacus.