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Anti-Military Sentiment in San Francisco Is Nothing New

Habeeb It
22-04-2006, 02:27
Anti-Military Sentiment in San Francisco Is Nothing New
By Jim Kouri, CPP
MichNews.com
Apr 18, 2006




It's no secret that the beautiful, picturesque city of San Francisco probably the nation's headquarters for anti-war sentiment. Not only are there anti-war protests, civil disobedience and other actions aimed at furthering opposition to the war in Iraq, but even elected officials are anti-military.

One city supervisor even said that the United States should dismantle its entire military. When asked how we'd respond to a terrorist attack, he answered that the police and fire departments would respond. Such is the reasoning of the left-wing of the Democrat Party.

Not content with just protesting the war with their shrill slogans that have bored Americans to distraction, they have shown that it's not only the Iraq war they oppose, they despise all branches of the US military. In move after move, leftist groups, and even some city officials, are trying to completely banish the military from their city. When they prevented the battleship USS Iowa from docking in San Francisco, the left's partners in the news media barely noticed.

These left-wingers in San Francisco believe they are on the cutting-edge of anti-war activity. These are the intellectual giants of America imparting their wisdom on the rest of us unkempt warmongers. But, that is not the case.

To leftists it doesn't matter whether the enemy is Saddam Hussein's Iraq or Germany's Adolf Hitler, they have an agenda that always spells anti-Americanism. The more damage they inflict on their own country the better. Their agenda has nothing to do with ideology, compassion or a love of peace -- it's all about power.

Just prior to the US entry into World War II, the American left mobilized to stop the US from fighting the Nazis. In fact, in an alliance of convenience, the leftists joined the American Nazi sympathizers in their anti-war activities. The feeling was that since Adolf Hitler and the Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin signed a peace treaty, America was the enemy, not the Nazis and certainly not the communists.

However, the moment German troops invaded the Soviet Union, the lefties changed their tune and were all for the United States joining the Allies in fighting the Axis powers. Suddenly it was perfectly okay for American blood to be shed -- in order to save the Stalinists and their government from the Hun invasion.

In 1939 Britain, according to Bruce Walker in his excellent book "Sinisterism: Secular Religion of the Lie," as with today's San Francisco and other American cities, most of the local governments were governed by leftists.

British cities and townships:

- denied the British military the use of council halls for meetings,

- banned recruitment marches,

- prohibited the placement of recruitment posters in local government buildings,

- docked the paychecks of men who volunteered to serve in the Territorial Army,

- denied the student Cadet Corps any recognition at schools,

- insulted, even abused, those who wore military uniforms,

- forbade the use of parade grounds for recruitment,

- raised the old bogeys of class distinction and 'victimization' when everything else failed.

Sound familiar?

When some talk hosts at a radio station (KNEW) in the San Francisco-Oakland market openly criticized the people and local officials for some of their anti-military activities, the government officials requested the Federal Communications Commission to "investigate" the station's licensing records. So much for freedom of speech with these phony patriots of the left.

I suspect that the San Francisco government is using the Iraq war to divert attention away from the rampant crime -- while most cities have experienced reductions in crime, San Francisco has witnessed an increase -- an out-of-control homeless problem, and a number of other social pathologies.

Tony Bennett might have left his heart in San Francisco, but where did the San Franciscan left leave their brains?

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Jim Kouri, CPP is currently fifth vice-president of the National Association of Chiefs of Police.


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Corn Tortilla
22-04-2006, 02:28
Troll Alert!
Eutrusca
22-04-2006, 02:30
"Anti-Military Sentiment in San Francisco Is Nothing New"

HA! No shit! :p
Neu Leonstein
22-04-2006, 02:30
*Prepares to move to Frisco, best city in the States*
Eutrusca
22-04-2006, 02:30
Troll Alert!
Wrong. It's true! :p
Eutrusca
22-04-2006, 02:31
*Prepares to move to Frisco, best city in the States*
Hardly!
Jerusalas
22-04-2006, 02:31
*Prepares to move to Frisco, best city in the States*

This coming from the man who wanted to serve in the Bundeswehr if his family was sent back to Germany.... I take it that you're still in Australia, then.
The Black Forrest
22-04-2006, 02:32
Well that was pretty retarded.

Yea! Let's protest the war so nobody will notice crime! Yea that's the ticket!
Eutrusca
22-04-2006, 02:33
Well that was pretty retarded.

Yea! Let's protest the war so nobody will notice crime! Yea that's the ticket!
Kinda far-fetched, yet the article has a lot of truth.
The Black Forrest
22-04-2006, 02:34
Hardly!

Hmmm just about anybody in the world can name San Francisco and how many can name anything in North Carolina?
The Cat-Tribe
22-04-2006, 02:35
Kinda far-fetched, yet the article has a lot of truth.

Yeah. Sure it does. :rolleyes:
Jerusalas
22-04-2006, 02:35
Hmmm just about anybody in the world can name San Francisco and how many can name anything in North Carolina?

I can!

Camp Lejuene, New Bern, Jacksonville, Ralleigh, Kittyhawk....
Neu Leonstein
22-04-2006, 02:35
This coming from the man who wanted to serve in the Bundeswehr if his family was sent back to Germany.... I take it that you're still in Australia, then.
I am.
And besides, as I understand it, it's not about the military in Frisco, but about a vast anti-American conspiracy to make everyone an Islamic Hippie who believes in Evolution and votes Democrat.
And I'm all about that!
Eutrusca
22-04-2006, 02:36
Hmmm just about anybody in the world can name San Francisco and how many can name anything in North Carolina?
Popularity does not imply either intellect or effectiveness.
Eutrusca
22-04-2006, 02:37
Yeah. Sure it does. :rolleyes:
Heh. Are we having an argument? Is that what this is? :p
Jerusalas
22-04-2006, 02:37
I am.
And besides, as I understand it, it's not about the military in Frisco, but about a vast anti-American conspiracy to make everyone an Islamic Hippie who believes in Evolution and votes Democrat.
And I'm all about that!

Seemed like, from that, that SF is pretty anti-military....

I don't have a problem with Muslims, Hippies, Evolutionaries, or Democrats, but anti-military-ism isn't something that I can condone. :-/
Eutrusca
22-04-2006, 02:38
Seemed like, from that, that SF is pretty anti-military....

I don't have a problem with Muslims, Hippies, Evolutionaries, or Democrats, but anti-military-ism isn't something that I can condone. :-/
Only place on earth I was ever called a "baby-killer" by someone who didn't know me from Adam. :(
The Black Forrest
22-04-2006, 02:39
Popularity does not imply either intellect or effectiveness.

Yes we all now the Bay Area is loaded with idiots. :rolleyes:
Habeeb It
22-04-2006, 02:39
Comment: :|
DrunkenDove
22-04-2006, 02:40
Hmmm, the gay capital of the USA is against an organization that won't let openly gay people join it. Oh, the shock and horror.
Jerusalas
22-04-2006, 02:40
Only place on earth I was ever called a "baby-killer" by someone who didn't know me from Adam. :(

Now I know why my father hated San Fransisco and my mother loved it. :p
Eutrusca
22-04-2006, 02:41
Yes we all now the Bay Area is loaded with idiots. :rolleyes:
Uh ... and people who can't spell? :)
Seathorn
22-04-2006, 02:42
One city supervisor even said that the United States should dismantle its entire military. When asked how we'd respond to a terrorist attack, he answered that the police and fire departments would respond. Such is the reasoning of the left-wing of the Democrat Party.

To leftists it doesn't matter whether the enemy is Saddam Hussein's Iraq or Germany's Adolf Hitler, they have an agenda that always spells anti-Americanism. The more damage they inflict on their own country the better. Their agenda has nothing to do with ideology, compassion or a love of peace -- it's all about power.

First of all, that reasoning is perfectly viable. That's what police forces, healthcare workers and firemen are there for: To protect and help against criminals and their results. Terrorists are just very wicked criminals.

And the second paragraph is uncalled for. It's an ad hominem attack and has nothing to do with being intellectual or anything actually.

In fact, this whole article smells of just being anti rather than pro-anything. And without enough reasoning too.
The Black Forrest
22-04-2006, 02:42
Uh ... and people who can't spell? :)

Einstein was a horrid speller as well! ;)
Neu Leonstein
22-04-2006, 02:42
...anti-military-ism isn't something that I can condone. :-/
Well, I can.

And I suppose in the US it's also a bit different because the military is no longer defensive these days. No one would make it an issue if the military was actually there to defend Americans in case of attack...I don't think anyone complained that the national guards came and helped for example during Katrina (except maybe for the fact that they were so late).

The US Military today has lost a lot of its halo because of the way in which it is used. Many people believe that it serves the ruling ideologists and their corporate buddies more than them, and there is a grain of truth in that, no matter which way you look at it.
DrunkenDove
22-04-2006, 02:43
One city supervisor even said that the United States should dismantle its entire military. When asked how we'd respond to a terrorist attack, he answered that the police and fire departments would respond. Such is the reasoning of the left-wing of the Democrat Party.

I like how one unnamed city supervisor can speak for the entire Democratic party.
Overfloater
22-04-2006, 02:49
It doesn't make sense to compare Iraq and now, probably Iran, to Nazi Germany. Germany had already invaded several of its neighbors, and had amassed one of the most powerful armies the world had ever seen. Hitler credibly threatened to take over the world by the time the US became officially active on the European front. Germany was already at war with Britain, who we regarded as allies. The allied countries were hoping for us to join in the war. It can be said that true patriots supported US involvement in WWII.

Iraq in 2003 posed no military threat to the United States. It did not occupy any more territory than it did ten years ago. No US allies were at war with Iraq. The international community mostly opposed the small, US-led coalition in its decision to go to war. It was a war we basically pulled out of our asses.
Jerusalas
22-04-2006, 02:50
Well, I can.

And I suppose in the US it's also a bit different because the military is no longer defensive these days. No one would make it an issue if the military was actually there to defend Americans in case of attack...I don't think anyone complained that the national guards came and helped for example during Katrina (except maybe for the fact that they were so late).

The US Military today has lost a lot of its halo because of the way in which it is used. Many people believe that it serves the ruling ideologists and their corporate buddies more than them, and there is a grain of truth in that, no matter which way you look at it.

Then shouldn't they use their energies against the war, not the military called upon to fight it? The miltary that has no choice in the matter? It's like blaming the Wehrmacht for WWII and not OKW, the Nazi Party, or Hitler....
Neu Leonstein
22-04-2006, 02:53
Then shouldn't they use their energies against the war, not the military called upon to fight it? The miltary that has no choice in the matter?
Well, isn't that what they are doing? Isn't the idea that the protests are against the military (and of course, that must mean the poor grunts on the ground) a giant strawman?

And does the military need to be that big, and that well-funded, if it was only protecting Americans, and not going overseas to get into situations of questionable value?
The Black Forrest
22-04-2006, 02:56
Then shouldn't they use their energies against the war, not the military called upon to fight it? The miltary that has no choice in the matter? It's like blaming the Wehrmacht for WWII and not OKW, the Nazi Party, or Hitler....

For one thing, the people are not abusing the soldiers like they did in the 60's. They learned from that mistake especially after seeing what happened to the Vets in later years.

The war is what they protest. At least from all the signs I have seen.


As to the Wehrmacht? Well read up on some of the things they did in the USSR and you will see they did some rather bad things to villages they thought were supporting the partisans.....
Jerusalas
22-04-2006, 02:57
Well, isn't that what they are doing? Isn't the idea that the protests are against the military (and of course, that must mean the poor grunts on the ground) a giant strawman?

And does the military need to be that big, and that well-funded, if it was only protecting Americans, and not going overseas to get into situations of questionable value?

It's actually not very big, you know... our military is stretched to the limit with campaigns in two countries the size of Germany, not making war over entire continents or oceans (as the case was in WWII).

I don't know whether or not it's a giant strawman. But if I serve my country by joining the military, and manage to avoid going to Iraq, I wouldn't want to sit down in a bar in San Fransisco and have people spit on me or call me a baby-killer, certainly. That is, of course, if the article is correct.
Native Quiggles II
22-04-2006, 02:59
...This has been another "fair and balanced" (tm) FOX News special report.
The Black Forrest
22-04-2006, 02:59
I wouldn't want to sit down in a bar in San Fransisco and have people spit on me or call me a baby-killer, certainly. That is, of course, if the article is correct.

That was 40 years ago. There might be a few dipshits that are wannabe Nam protectors but I haven't heard of any abuse of soldiers.....
Jerusalas
22-04-2006, 03:00
For one thing, the people are not abusing the soldiers like they did in the 60's. They learned from that mistake especially after seeing what happened to the Vets in later years.

The war is what they protest. At least from all the signs I have seen.


As to the Wehrmacht? Well read up on some of the things they did in the USSR and you will see they did some rather bad things to villages they thought were supporting the partisans.....

I think you just proved my point. Some units in the Wehrmacht committed crimes, not all of them, just as some soldiers in Vietnam (and now in Iraq) have committed crimes. It is, thus, a complete over-generalization to be against the whole military for the actions of a few.
Jerusalas
22-04-2006, 03:01
That was 40 years ago. There might be a few dipshits that are wannabe Nam protectors but I haven't heard of any abuse of soldiers.....

Nor have I. But you get the point.
Native Quiggles II
22-04-2006, 03:01
Einstein was a horrid speller as well! ;)


So was Andrew Jackson; and look how he turned out!
The Black Forrest
22-04-2006, 03:02
So was Andrew Jackson; and look how he turned out!

Ahh but what Jackson a liberal? ;)
Jerusalas
22-04-2006, 03:03
Ahh but what Jackson a liberal? ;)

He was very liberal... in ignoring the Supreme Court!
NERVUN
22-04-2006, 03:04
1. How does being anti-military = anti-America? Last I checked the military doesn't equal the US, nor has the vast majority of US citizens been/are in the US military.

2. I did enjoy the weak attempt to say that San Francisco tried to stop the US from fighting against Hitler. Kinda ignored how the whole of the country didn't want to get its nose invloved in WWII until the attack on Pearl Harbor.

Actually, to be fair, we STILL might not have gone to Europe if Hitler hadn't decided to declare war on us.

Talk about bending history.
Native Quiggles II
22-04-2006, 03:05
Ahh but what Jackson a liberal? ;)


No, but he was a democrat. (The republicans were anti-slavery back then; imagine, Republicans, tolerant! :p)