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We all seem to agree that Bush isn't that bright.. but.. is there anyway that he could become accepted as an "ok" president?

How could he turn his reputation around?

Is it possible?

Just wondering..

I think he's done way too much damage.

No. his stupidity has done enough damage to the world.

He's going down in history as worse then Ragan.

Ahhh that smell of Lame Duck!

He's going down in history as worse then Ragan.

I would have taken him over the shrub.

In time I think they will see shrubby was worst then Harding.....

I would have taken him over the shrub.

In time I think they will see shrubby was worst then Harding.....
In time I think we'll see Bush as the stick against which all future bad presidents will measured.

"He's bad, but is he as bad as Bush was? Let's do a comparison and see."

He could take public speaking classes at community college. Oh, and bring our troops out of Iraq. That would be a good start.

I think he's done way too much damage.
To everyone else.
I think he's got an option, the most satisfying so far IMNSHO ...
seppuku. With a carrot peeler.
I'd say he could try another pretzel, Segway, bike ride through Italian police, a fatal snort of laced coke, liver disease, or bramble, but those all just smack as cruel and unusual in the psychological sense.

He could take public speaking classes at community college. Oh, and bring our troops out of Iraq. That would be a good start.

I'm sorry, this isn't prom night, we can't just pull out.

If we do, the fledgling goverment will fall, it's just that simple.

His approval rating is lower than Nixon on the day that he stepped down. What does that tell you?

The carrot peeler option wasn't offhand - it's just enough to do the job (if he really means to improve his image, he'll prove it) while not simultaneously being perilous for any amused and/or determined onlooker.

He's going down in history as worse then Ragan.
You're kidding right? All the neocons have Reagan pictures hanging next to their Jesus picture in their living room for all the ways he made the country easy to fuck over.

I'm sorry, this isn't prom night, we can't just pull out.

If we do, the fledgling goverment will fall, it's just that simple.
Stellar job so far, huh? :rolleyes:

Also, since they're advertising on Paul Harvey for the new leader position in Iraq, Bush could prove himself well by resigning from the U.S. admin, taking his crackhead team of neocon putrescence and moving over there so he can lead the people he's been spending our $ on.
A lot more people would be happy that way.

I'm sorry, this isn't prom night, we can't just pull out.

If we do, the fledgling goverment will fall, it's just that simple.

We could be there for years and the incompetants in Iraq still may not be ready to rule themselves. I am not going to support propping up another government with American lives when it is unclear whether they really want us there to begin with.

We could be there for years and the incompetants in Iraq still may not be ready to rule themselves. I am not going to support propping up another government with American lives when it is unclear whether they really want us there to begin with.

I'm not saying we should. A puppet goverment would never work. What's needed to be done is supporting the goverment in getting stable, much like what was done after WWII with Japan.

Though, it's very complex and many people don't support that idea, because of the terrorists that are still lingering around. Look, I'm sorry, but we're in this war, cutting and running isn't the best idea at all.

I'm not saying we should. A puppet goverment would never work. What's needed to be done is supporting the goverment in getting stable, much like what was done after WWII with Japan.

Though, it's very complex and many people don't support that idea, because of the terrorists that are still lingering around. Look, I'm sorry, but we're in this war, cutting and running isn't the best idea at all.

I'd hardly consider it to be cutting and running. We have been there for three years, I'd say that is a tremendous commitment for our supposed goal of bringing democracy to Iraq. How long should we stay to try to make it secure? An insurgency could easily go on for another decade, especially when we spend more dollars on security then infanstructure for the country. Perhaps we could get people there love us much more if they could have dependable electricity and a good education. Raising the standard of living is always a good way to make joining an insurgency less desirable.

How could he turn his reputation around?

well, he might be able to pull off being the object lesson that teaches americans that
1) constitutions aren't magic
2) strong executive systems are authoritarian disasters in waiting
and
3) it can so happen here

it wouldn't really save his reputation, but he'd at least be responsible for some worthwhile things for a change.

no, he is a murderous tyrant

2) strong executive systems are authoritarian disasters in waiting


I wish someone could get point across to our newly-minted Presidential-wannabe PM, Stevie Harper.

well, he might be able to pull off being the object lesson that teaches americans that
1) constitutions aren't magic
2) strong executive systems are authoritarian disasters in waiting
and
3) it can so happen here

it wouldn't really save his reputation, but he'd at least be responsible for some worthwhile things for a change.
He's turned a charity-case life into an excuse for others to bestow charity upon him, and "Mr. Decider" calls it "mandate" ! :mad:
F*ck that and f*ck him. He's the tumor making the repub breast swell ever bigger and they think it's their cleavage.

I wish someone could get point across to our newly-minted Presidential-wannabe PM, Stevie Harper.

Who? :p

I wish someone could get point across to our newly-minted Presidential-wannabe PM, Stevie Harper.


I was utterly SHOCKED to see that he actually won the elections.

Donkeys live a long time.

I'm sorry, this isn't prom night, we can't just pull out.

If we do, the fledgling goverment will fall, it's just that simple.

Well, the Iraqis want us out. I thought we should stay there, or the whole thing would have been an utter waste of time, but now I reckon we should pull our troops out and watch Iraq descend into civil war and chaos, since no one wants us there.

Hmm, let's see. If Bush invades Iran, and it actually WORKS (ie. he takes out their nukyular capability and manages to topple the Iranian government and install a new, strong one without terrorists swarming everywhere like in Iraq) that could probably salvage his reputation.

What's needed to be done is supporting the goverment in getting stable, much like what was done after WWII with Japan.
Japan was a compleatly different kettle of fish.

We also planned much better for the occupation of Japan than we did for Iraq.

Who? :p
Do me a favour? Write that, precisely that, and mail it to the Prime Minister's Office? On behalf of all Canadians?

Please? He seems to listen to any old American, after all...

If Iraq turns out to be a successful democracy in the end, he will be seen as a successful president. This is b/c his whole presidency is based on the war.

Japan was a compleatly different kettle of fish.

We also planned much better for the occupation of Japan than we did for Iraq.

I know this is your point but still, let's state it for the slow out there:

"...There was a plan?"

Anyway, while Japan was a different kettle of fish as you put it, in reality it was somewhat the same deal. If we landed troops there, we would have lost too many people. Defenders of their country don't give up, they fight to the last man. People are defending their homes and families.

Which brings us to the point of using the Nukes. From a stand point, it was a very smart move. It kept the japs from getting.......rebellious.

Still everyone and their brother has a Russian nuke, it's sad really. We don't use them because if we do, we'll end up blowing up the world.

In all seriousness, nuklear technology is an unbalenced double edge sword. Nuklear power isn't as awe inspiring as they wanted us to believe back in the fifties.

But I degress, Bush can't save face.

If Iraq turns out to be a successful democracy in the end, he will be seen as a successful president. This is b/c his whole presidency is based on the war.

Even if Iraq becomes a peaceful democracy I'll remember Bush for his stupidity and his attacks on civil rights. His lying to the public and the public not caring.

If Iraq turns out to be a successful democracy in the end, he will be seen as a successful president. This is b/c his whole presidency is based on the war.
I suppose that's somewhat accurate. He's a miserable failure at everything other than keeping people at war.

Even if Iraq becomes a peaceful democracy I'll remember Bush for his stupidity and his attacks on civil rights. His lying to the public and the public not caring.
If only history cared about ur opinion.:p

If only history cared about ur opinion.:p

Even history doesn't agree. I bet you look at different history texts there will be different takes on past actions. Who wants to remember Bush's stupid made up words right? :rolleyes:

Even history doesn't agree. I bet you look at different history texts there will be different takes on past actions. Who wants to remember Bush's stupid made up words right? :rolleyes:

*Raises hand*

Dude, those words are so awesome. I don't care what anyone says, it's words like that people remember forty years down the road.

*Raises hand*

Dude, those words are so awesome. I don't care what anyone says, it's words like that people remember forty years down the road.

I hear that.
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
Heh heh heh.
Yeah, no one will ever forget Dubya.

*Raises hand*

Dude, those words are so awesome. I don't care what anyone says, it's words like that people remember forty years down the road.

I know but the Bush supporters will want to pretend they don't exist. I don't suppose you have a link that provides some of his great words? Someone has to preserve them for history! :)

Quotes however, I have: "This notion that the United States is getting ready to attack Iran is simply ridiculous. And having said that, all options are on the table."

:rolleyes:

:headbang: Uhm... what can i say... Bush deserve death???:sniper: :mp5: ??? YEAH!!! :upyours:

The only way for Bush to recover this far along his disatrous presidency is to rub a lamp and ask the jeenie for 3 wishes.

:headbang: Uhm... what can i say... Bush deserve death???:sniper: :mp5: ??? YEAH!!! :upyours:
Bush can redeem himself by putting his foot on top of his head. We'd all be so amused/frightened/indifferent that we'd forget all about his past problems and stupidity.

I don't think it's gonna happen.

I know but the Bush supporters will want to pretend they don't exist. I don't suppose you have a link that provides some of his great words? Someone has to preserve them for history! :)

Quotes however, I have: "This notion that the United States is getting ready to attack Iran is simply ridiculous. And having said that, all options are on the table."

:rolleyes:

dubyaspeak.com (http://www.dubyaspeak.com/)

You know, this is one of the reasons I don't actually hate Bush :p He's not cut out to be President, but you can't help liking him.

Bush can redeem himself by putting his foot on top of his head. We'd all be so amused/frightened/indifferent that we'd forget all about his past problems and stupidity.

I don't think it's gonna happen.
:eek:
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http://www.geocities.com/samohod/mpslo/pix/foot.jpg
!

*squish*
Ahhhh.

The best he could possibly do is 50%. What amazes me is the 20% of the people that voted for him and a year later they said OOPS! It's not like he's doing anything different or the economy is different, or the war is different, or anything else. I would like to have one of that 20% explain their flip-flop.

Make me president.

Or do house ot house searchs in every major city in Iraq and kill everyone with an AK-47, RPG or IED stuff. We should have done this years ago. It would take a lot of troops but the war would be over.

The best he could possibly do is 50%. What amazes me is the 20% of the people that voted for him and a year later they said OOPS! It's not like he's doing anything different or the economy is different, or the war is different, or anything else. I would like to have one of that 20% explain their flip-flop.
I'd say they are emotionally driven instead of reasonably driven, and they were easily goaded and whipped into a froth over money, majority control, farcicle apocolyptic undercurrents and pseudo-patriotism.

If Iraq turns out to be a successful democracy in the end, he will be seen as a successful president. This is b/c his whole presidency is based on the war.
Depends how far away that "in the end" is. It may have nothing at all to do with Bush's war, in fact, future historians could say that the war delayed a democratic process, or that democracy could have been achieved through other means.

You know, it wouldn't take too much...in fact, a great thing he could do would be to, uh, perhaps veto a few spending bills. Or perhaps he could hand the reconstruction of New Orleans over to a semi-private corporation.
On Iraq...despite what news may be coming out of the country, there are many Iraqis there who desperately want our help. The key to it is getting them to realize they have a stake in reform and we won't let them down like we did after the Persian Gulf War. If we had ignored our mandate then and supported the revolution, things would be a whole lot different: we might actually have another dependable ally in the region. It's just the Iranian bastards in there mowing down women, children, and old men that are really the problem. And no, I would never endorse invasion of Iran, it's far too much of a powderkeg, we need to find some other way to eliminate their nuclear program.

You know, it wouldn't take too much...in fact, a great thing he could do would be to, uh, perhaps veto a few spending bills. Or perhaps he could hand the reconstruction of New Orleans over to a semi-private corporation.
On Iraq...despite what news may be coming out of the country, there are many Iraqis there who desperately want our help. The key to it is getting them to realize they have a stake in reform and we won't let them down like we did after the Persian Gulf War. If we had ignored our mandate then and supported the revolution, things would be a whole lot different: we might actually have another dependable ally in the region. It's just the Iranian bastards in there mowing down women, children, and old men that are really the problem. And no, I would never endorse invasion of Iran, it's far too much of a powderkeg, we need to find some other way to eliminate their nuclear program.

Just Iranians? You, sir, have obviously not seen The Video. (Gimme a moment to dig it up.)

WARNING! This video is not for the faint of heart and includes graphic depictions of the effects of chemical weapons (and the somewhat brutal slaughter of three Iraqis. Whether they're civvies or not is never made clear): http://videolive.rai.it:8080/asxgen/ran24/fallujah_ING.wmv

Having lived more than twice as long as the average person on this forum, I have observed that the way a person ends his term is how he will be remembered. What happens after is creditted to the next person.

I have also observed that a bad reputation is easy to get and hard to remove. A good reputation is hard to get and easy to lose. (for everyone, not just a Pres.)

I doubt if the negs can be changed in 2 years. Intelligence, Katrina, Unjustified war, Massive debt, Social Security, loss of international respect, gas prices, unethical behavior among friends....the list goes on.

We all seem to agree that Bush isn't that bright.. but.. is there anyway that he could become accepted as an "ok" president?

How could he turn his reputation around?

Is it possible?

Just wondering..

Nope. Not with all this shit going on in Iraq and the shit storm coming up in Iran. Everyone's forgotten about Afghanistan, let's nto forget that shit storm. Biggest idiot ever.

Just Iranians? You, sir, have obviously not seen The Video. (Gimme a moment to dig it up.)

WARNING! This video is not for the faint of heart and includes graphic depictions of the effects of chemical weapons (and the somewhat brutal slaughter of three Iraqis. Whether they're civvies or not is never made clear): http://videolive.rai.it:8080/asxgen/ran24/fallujah_ING.wmv

Ok, now I have not the free time to watch such a long video, but I was certainly not meaning to imply that only Iranians were involved. However, the facts of the current Iraqi situation are that there are large numbers of foreign insurgents in the country attempting to destabilize the nation-building process. Iraq has become the new terrorist training grounds, and the bad guys aren't faring too well. As for the civilian issue, you do understand that American soldiers are constantly trained on how to NOT shoot civilians. The situation gets a bit complicated, however, when you have the bad guys dressed up as civilians so that in case they die they can be used for propaganda!

People, stop calling these wars Bush's wars. They are American wars against real enemies who really do want Westerners to die. We've seen it in the past, they have no regard for human life. These are people who gleefully drag mutilated corpses through the streets and cheer when American civilians are slaughtered when all they've done is go to work. What they do is indefensible. Americans do not result, by and large, to that level of barbarism. If you think the world is just some rosy place where we never have to go to war, get real. I know Americans grow up without being able to comprehend the possibility of people who would gladly destroy the lives of people they've never met, but those people exist.

Do me a favour? Write that, precisely that, and mail it to the Prime Minister's Office? On behalf of all Canadians?

Please? He seems to listen to any old American, after all...

sure. You have his address?

Oh what's postage from the states?

Time will tell.

It will depend on what happens in Afghanistan and Iraq 5-10 years from now. If the two countries manage to drive out the foreign terrorists and become successful democracies, I think that Bush will be remembered by history as a flawed, but successful president.

And if that fails... I really don't even want to think about that possibility.

:headbang: Uhm... what can i say... Bush deserve death???:sniper: :mp5: ??? YEAH!!! :upyours:

n00bs are always appearing. Nive if you could find that a majority would hold off on the gun smilies. Would be a welcome change.

Having lived more than twice as long as the average person on this forum, I have observed that the way a person ends his term is how he will be remembered. What happens after is creditted to the next person. Then he fittingly belongs being remembered for death by what appears to be auto-erotic asphyxiation, while leaning against the press conference podium.
Further inspection would find DNA traces in his alimentary tract (both ends) of Pat Robertson, Cheney, and several oil company executives. However, since similar things had been found while he was alive, those things get dismissed as circumstantial evidence, regardless of the massive quantities of such. In fact, his presidential pin and tie are still firmly in place.
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Clyde Bruckman: Not that it's any of my business, but autoerotic asphyxiation is a really undignified way to die.
Mulder: What makes you say that?
Clyde Bruckman: Never mind. Forget I said anything.

:headbang: Uhm... what can i say... Bush deserve death???:sniper: :mp5: ??? YEAH!!! :upyours:
less smileys. plz.

People, stop calling these wars Bush's wars.
Bushnam belongs now and always will belong to Bush.

It shall stand as a memorial to all future Presidents that it is a dishonor to go to war for the fun of it.

Notice, no one in the world talks of Afganistan. Justified war is different than picking a fight.

It is certainly a shame that the US elected (or appointed) a President that loved war because he had never seen war, and was so insulated by money, influence and drugs. A president that thought war was noble and patriotic.

Never again will Congress or the American people trust that a President has more information than they do, and give him/her the benefit of the doubt. This could be extremely dangerous should the US really need to go to war someday.

In time I think we'll see Bush as the stick against which all future bad presidents will measured.

"He's bad, but is he as bad as Bush was? Let's do a comparison and see."

Rather like the saying "the worst Prime Minister since Lord North".

We could be there for years and the incompetants in Iraq still may not be ready to rule themselves. I am not going to support propping up another government with American lives when it is unclear whether they really want us there to begin with.

I dont think we should be in Iraq to prop up their government, thats just not our job. But we are responsible for the state it is currently in, and we have a duty to remain there until it is safe to leave. Pulling the troops out now would not undo the harm they have done, it will not right Bush's wrongs. If we leave the government will collapse and the country will descend into anarchy and civil war. Then either the islamic fundamentalists will gein control, or a powerful Sunni in the mold of saddam hussein will take over. either way many people will die, many more than have already. and afterwards the people would be oppressed once more.we have to at least stay until the country has some security and stability. we are the ones who brought down the government and military after all.

As for Bush, he's just totally fucked everything up, really.even if he undid all his mistakes the best he could hope for is to make the country the way it was when he took over.He's probably actually a nice guy, but he is no president.

Oh, sweetie, you have a typo. I think you meant to say" Bush is a stupid-butt."

We all seem to agree that Bush isn't that bright.. but.. is there anyway that he could become accepted as an "ok" president?

How could he turn his reputation around?

Is it possible?

Just wondering..


yea if all of his crazy predictions came true (WMD's etc.) and if he gets bin laden which I'm 99% sure won't happen

yea if all of his crazy predictions came true (WMD's etc.) and if he gets bin laden which I'm 99% sure won't happen


AND he will have to prove that terrorism stops by winning wars.