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I...I held out on Star Trek living for a lot longer than most people...but this is the doom of it. Or at least films and television. Books'll probably continue for quite a while, so there's at least that.

But tell me. Who in their right FUCKING mind thought this was a good idea? This sounds like something out of those deliciously funny parodies, about Berman and Braga trying to destroy Trek so they bring in famous directors. What's next? Matt Damon and French Stewart playing Kirk and Spock?

This...this is just horrible. Seriously folks, if I'm saying Star Trek is dead, it really is dead.

I never really watched the old stuff and the new stuff looked rather cheap in my opinion.

I never really watched the old stuff and the new stuff looked rather cheap in my opinion.
Oh, blah. I was talking to Trekkies, not your every day NSer. Amazingly enough, this is getting more attention in the place I expected to earn no attention, rather than here. Odd. =/

Sounds like the smartest decision since Dumb and Dumberer

WEll?

They said Batman was dead for good and look what happened.

So Meh. I will wait and see how it sounds......

Frig. Can they at least put Coto in charge or something?

Frig. Can they at least put Coto in charge or something?
I wish. It's doubtful, though. Considering what they're already doing, I highly expect famous actors and actresses to be cast, a script with not much plot than your typical action movie, and lots of other stupid crap.

Actually, I'm not sure why this is such a terrible situation: instead of Berman and Piller gutting Trek, we have J.J. Abrams, who's been pretty good with Lost. Anything I think is better than more Berman. . .

*Headdesk*

It's been nothing but downhill since First Contact and the end of DS9 for that franchise....

TV is like clothing. Things come and out of Fashion very fast. Perhaps when you are a parent, or if you are a parent then a grandparent, you will find that it has returned with the latest special effects for that time and your children/grandchildren are enthralled.

I think it's been pretty dead for awhile. Yeah, they made movies and tried to keep it alive, but, even if you are a Star Trek fan, you have to admit it will never amount to its former glory.

Trek died a painful death a long time ago.

Well, as I said in the original post, I held out for it for a lot longer than most of you. Not anymore now. =/

Oh well. There's always reruns.

Shit, it can't possibly be worse than Deep Sleep Mall or the last few Dreck movies.

*shrugs*

Why not XI?

they had a guest/"star" director for Nemesis too... so what's new?
i will admit that the idea is lame and they should stick with the TNG crew, or move over to voyager!

in fact fuck that, just bring back voyager :D
all this going backwards in time is stupid... enterprise, kirk & spock's first date... what's next...?

Oh, blah. I was talking to Trekkies, not your every day NSer. Amazingly enough, this is getting more attention in the place I expected to earn no attention, rather than here. Odd. =/
Star Wars is better.;)
The films might be ok but the TV series spins off looked SHII-ITE!

BrokeTrek Mountain.

Kirk to Spock: I...can't...quityou.

BrokeTrek Mountain.

Kirk to Spock: I...can't...quityou.Oh,Shut Up:p enough of the BrokeBack Mountain,it's been done to death.

I'm about as trekkie as one can get. I'm one of those rare types who loved DS9, VGR, Enterprise and TNG, in that order. It was a shame that Enterprise was cancelled. Loved DS9, enjoyed VGR, Enterprise was great, especially the early shows. I've seen most of TOS and like it, but not as much of the earlier stuff.

Anyways, I'll judge the movie when I see it, since I have no idea who any of the names are. But yeah, the movies have been fairly bad, but they're trying to make money rather than make awesome TV. And Star Trek made some AWESOME TV.

ST: DS9 pwned.
ST:TNG was good.

ST:TOS was hilariously pathetic, ST:VOY was lame, and ST:Enterprise was shit.

I thought the movies were OK, except the The Voyage Home, which was shit.

This movie... Star Trek: The Early Years?!

Fuck that.

Oh,Shut Up:p enough of the BrokeBack Mountain,it's been done to death.

Ah, but the Shatner-esque dialogue makes it tick again!

It went downhill after that one guy died. His ashes were sent to space in a space shuttle. Startrek was great when it was upbeat. Once it went all gloomy with alien-sounding names and such, it went downhill. I guess few people like being reminded that we are going to hell at warp speed.

Trek died a painful death a long time ago.
A long, long time ago, in a galaxy not so far away, Star Trek died and the Star Wars fans rejoiced.

A long, long time ago, in a galaxy not so far away, Star Trek died and the Star Wars fans rejoiced.

And George Lucas let forth an evil laugh and unleashed Jar-Jar Binks, and three movies of royal suck on the unprepared Star Warriors.

they had a guest/"star" director for Nemesis too... so what's new?
ouchouchouchouchouchouchouch

BrokeTrek Mountain.

Kirk to Spock: I...can't...quityou.
Have you heard the snipjob on the net? Pretty easy to find. Highly disturbing. And, i've played it on my radio show a few times. The ONLY thing they added was the "zipper" sound (although they'd used a lot of velcro ... "shwak" has a different ambient ring i guess) :D

This movie... Star Trek: The Early Years?!

Fuck that.
No no, Star Trek: The Wonder Years!

....so who's gonna end up Winnie Cooper? Nurse Chapel? ;D

Seriously, i could see it - Fred Savage as Kirk - same temper, same hair ... that other kid as Spock ... very believable.

No no, Star Trek: The Wonder Years!

....so who's gonna end up Winnie Cooper? Nurse Chapel? ;D

Seriously, i could see it - Fred Savage as Kirk - same temper, same hair ... that other kid as Spock ... very believable.
:eek:

A long, long time ago, in a galaxy not so far away, Star Trek died and the Star Wars fans rejoiced.

Don't even start me on Star Wars. I actually was a fan of that franchise before the horror that was episode two.

No no, Star Trek: The Wonder Years!

....so who's gonna end up Winnie Cooper? Nurse Chapel? ;D

Seriously, i could see it - Fred Savage as Kirk - same temper, same hair ... that other kid as Spock ... very believable.

Yum Danica!

http://eur.yimg.com/i/xp/premier_photo/b/b2ffd3289a.jpg

Brains too!

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5201825

And George Lucas let forth an evil laugh and unleashed Jar-Jar Binks, and three movies of royal suck on the unprepared Star Warriors.
That's what the last three were, basically. No compettion, no need to be good. That's why I love captilism. :D

That's what the last three were, basically. No compettion, no need to be good. That's why I love captilism. :D

Except for the Ring Lords, who wiped the floor with your asses. :p

And George Lucas let forth an evil laugh and unleashed Jar-Jar Binks, and three movies of royal suck on the unprepared Star Warriors.

Well since Jar-Jar was only seen in Episode III and didn't have a single line I was happy. Episode III kicked ass IMO. Easily as good as Episode VI.

Now I grew up with Star Trek. Yes I know the horror. I found Star Wars and redeemed myself.

But I hung on to ST. Voyager was ok; DS9 sucked until they brought Worf onboard and started the Dominion War. Enterprise was a good concept and could've gone far but they just had to throw in that time-travel, time war, bullshit and ruin it. Good concept, poorly executed. The ending episode sucked. I mean, why the hell did they bring back Troi and Riker to do a cameo appearance on a holodeck?! How cheesy!

Star Trek Nemesis simply, in a word, blew. It was the worst piece of cinematography that I've ever had the misfortune of laying my eyes on. Episode II of SW was better than that!

Star Trek died with Gene Roddenberry and he must be pulling 120RPMs in his grave right now, figuratively speaking of course.

Now all we have to do is string up both Rick Berman and Brannon Braga from a lamppost.

And now I go off to watch the 9th Doctor do his thing in the new Doctor Who.

Good. Long Live Star Wars! NYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARG! *wookie noises*

:eek:
Well, if the only option of revival is bastardization, then why not?
Besides, new blood is good. Even if it's an unfamiliar bloodtype.

Well since Jar-Jar was only seen in Episode III and didn't have a single line I was happy. Episode III kicked ass IMO. Easily as good as Episode VI.


Episode III? YAWN!

Let's see. Mace beats the emperor(well almost) and Yoda can not.

General Grevious and his coughing? What's up with that?

The Jedi getting killed all by surprise. No force that day?

Taking down Yoda hmmmmm yea 3 or so troopers should be enough

Saw it once and have no desire to see it again. Can't count how many times I saw 4,5,6.....

Will they use the origional actors? It would be quite amusing to try and make William Shatner look young. :p

Will they use the origional actors? It would be quite amusing to try and make William Shatner look young. :p
Here's the clincher .... they're gonna use Hayden Christensen as Kirk!
:eek:
:eek:
:eek:

Oh the world and creation shall coalesce into a mighty fireball of rage and polarity, fretting its instant upon the stage, and falling into sighs, to be heard no more.

A movie about how Spok and Kirk first met and about their first "adventure"? I smell fanservice - yaoi fanservice.

A movie about how Spok and Kirk first met and about their first "adventure"? I smell fanservice - yaoi fanservice.

At least it isn't Neon Genesis Evangelian.... "Next episode: blah blah blah blah blah blah and, MORE FANSERVICE!"

Here's the clincher .... they're gonna use Hayden Christensen as Kirk!
:eek:
:eek:
:eek:

You are shitting me right? That guy had to strike a blow to the greatness of Star Wars and now he wants to assualt another great (not as good as SW though) sci-fi show? Perhaps it is the end for Star Trek if this actually occurs. Gene Roddenberry has to be rolling in his grave. :(

You are shitting me right? That guy had to strike a blow to the greatness of Star Wars and now he wants to assualt another great (not as good as SW though) sci-fi show?

Wasn't really his fault. He had nothing to work with.

You are shitting me right? That guy had to strike a blow to the greatness of Star Wars and now he wants to assualt another great (not as good as SW though) sci-fi show? Perhaps it is the end for Star Trek if this actually occurs. Gene Roddenberry has to be rolling in his grave. :(

I'd say it was George Lucas who took away the greatness of Star Wars when did decided to direct the new films.

Wasn't really his fault. He had nothing to work with.

Yes but Hayden Christensen can't act. It is as simple as that.

Yes but Hayden Christensen can't act. It is as simple as that.
It is yaoi fanservice, he doesn't need to be able to act.

Yes but Hayden Christensen can't act. It is as simple as that.
You're comparing that to early Shatner? :confused:
The *only* difference here is the cosmos-sized chasm between their egos.

A movie about how Spok and Kirk first met and about their first "adventure"? I smell fanservice - yaoi fanservice.
I think the cartoon and a book or two covered that.

Now is the time for Seaquest to rise again!

I think it would be awesome and cute if the next Trek crew was made up of talking babies.

You are shitting me right? That guy had to strike a blow to the greatness of Star Wars and now he wants to assualt another great (not as good as SW though) sci-fi show? Perhaps it is the end for Star Trek if this actually occurs. Gene Roddenberry has to be rolling in his grave. :(
Actually, Gene is floating around gently as a thick mass of very small flakes. He wanted to end up like his fans. ;)
(j/k)
I'm a fan, but i don't deny being a flake

Now is the time for Seaquest to rise again!
Who care about Seaquest when there is going to be an Aqua Teen Hunger Force movie.

You're comparing that to early Shatner? :confused:
The *only* difference here is the cosmos-sized chasm between their egos.

Hey the origional Star Trek wasn't that bad in the acting department including Shatner. I just found it really boring and the plot stupid. Christensen now... just bad, thankfully the story and special effects of Episode III was great.

I dunno, being a fan of JJ Abrahams since before he was popular, I find no bad news here. If anything, this new Trek movie might actually be pretty good ^^ I'm imaging something along the lines of Star Trek technology with an Alias style story... xp Of course this is right-of-the-top-of-my-head-no-thinking-at-all speculation, but it would be cool.

Who care about Seaquest when there is going to be an Aqua Teen Hunger Force movie.

Seaquest will rise again, regardless of this "Agua Teen Hunger Force". What the hell does that name mean anyways?

Seaquest will rise again, regardless of this "Agua Teen Hunger Force". What the hell does that name mean anyways?

They're the Aqua Teen Hunger Force. They're a shake, a pack of fries, and a meatball. hehe, Meatwad rules xp Need proof? He gets all the honies XD

Hey the origional Star Trek wasn't that bad in the acting department including Shatner. I just found it really boring and the plot stupid. Christensen now... just bad, thankfully the story and special effects of Episode III was great.
Well, being Shatner, consider every other role he did.
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....and another name pops to mind. He's currently a guvnah that got denied by the Bush admin for some emergency/disaster aid.

They're the Aqua Teen Hunger Force. They're a shake, a pack of fries, and a meatball. hehe, Meatwad rules xp Need proof? He gets all the honies XD

That show is awsome. They just had the one where Fryman invented the shrink ray. Saying it was funny is an understatement. :D

That show is awsome. They just had the one where Fryman invented the shrink ray. Saying it was funny is an understatement. :D
That crab part ought to make the movies. *nods emphatically*

They're the Aqua Teen Hunger Force. They're a shake, a pack of fries, and a meatball. hehe, Meatwad rules xp Need proof? He gets all the honies XD

And this is somehow considered better than Seaquest? We live in sad times....

That crab part ought to make the movies. *nods emphatically*

Crabs? I thought they were fleas or mites or something that were on that guy? :confused:

Crabs? I thought they were fleas or mites or something that were on that guy? :confused:
Crab louse. From intimate contact, usually.

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Crab lice (singular, louse), scientific name Pthius pubis and commonly called "crabs", are one of three kinds of human lice in the large group of lice families. (The others are head lice and body lice, which live in clothing.) They are wingless, about 1 to 3 mm long. They attach themselves to hair strands, and hatch out of pods with lids, or "nits", that are too tightly attached to be brushed off but must be removed by pulling with the nails or a fine-toothed comb.
http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_louse

Crab louse. From intimate contact, usually.

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Crab lice (singular, louse), scientific name Pthius pubis and commonly called "crabs", are one of three kinds of human lice in the large group of lice families. (The others are head lice and body lice, which live in clothing.) They are wingless, about 1 to 3 mm long. They attach themselves to hair strands, and hatch out of pods with lids, or "nits", that are too tightly attached to be brushed off but must be removed by pulling with the nails or a fine-toothed comb.
http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_louse

Ah. Thank you for the information. I think. :)

Ah. Thank you for the information. I think. :)
Since it's sharing, i'm yer guy! ;)

Yes but Hayden Christensen can't act. It is as simple as that.

Hey! Hayden found a role that suits his abilities!


Plot Outline: The story focuses on a man (Christensen) who suffers "anesthetic awareness" and finds himself awake and aware, but paralyzed, during heart surgery. His young wife (Alba) must wrestle with her own demons as a drama unfolds around them.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0211933/

Hmmm... I thought that Spock was fairly older than Kirk and had served under Captain Pike for some time before doing so with Kirk. It'll be at least curious how they handle that.

Hey! Hayden found a role that suits his abilities!


Plot Outline: The story focuses on a man (Christensen) who suffers "anesthetic awareness" and finds himself awake and aware, but paralyzed, during heart surgery. His young wife (Alba) must wrestle with her own demons as a drama unfolds around them.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0211933/
Correction:
His young SALIVATINGLY HOT wife (Alba) ....
Yep, one of the only things Deep "International Poster of Mystery" Kimchi and i agree on wholeheartedly.
Carry on, then.

Hmmm... I thought that Spock was fairly older than Kirk and had served under Captain Pike for some time before doing so with Kirk. It'll be at least curious how they handle that.
Affair, then menage a trois. Pun?

I know Mr. Roddenberry would be in great distress over this because it was always his vision for Trek to be in the future and to keep in the future and never looking back.

Affair, then menage a trois. Pun?
I'm pretty sure there must be at least one Trek themed movie that does that :D

I'm pretty sure there must be at least one Trek themed movie that does that :D
She denies it. In person, she skips all around that query. And she's short.

Anyone who says Star War is superior to Trek needs to try watching some TNG and DS9. But, I digress...

If they get Hayden Christianson to play Kirk, I shall boycott this. As it is I probably will anyway, until I hear that it might actually be somewhat decent, in which case I shall tred cautiously.

And woah. Apart from my melee weapons thread, this is the only thread I've ever made on this place that actually had more than, like, fifteen posts.

http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/news/article/15891.html

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I...I held out on Star Trek living for a lot longer than most people...but this is the doom of it. Or at least films and television. Books'll probably continue for quite a while, so there's at least that.

But tell me. Who in their right FUCKING mind thought this was a good idea? This sounds like something out of those deliciously funny parodies, about Berman and Braga trying to destroy Trek so they bring in famous directors. What's next? Matt Damon and French Stewart playing Kirk and Spock?

This...this is just horrible. Seriously folks, if I'm saying Star Trek is dead, it really is dead.

I'm convinced that Star Trek became trendy after DS9 went out. Hiring this douche to do the next movie is just going with the recent trend. I mean, don't get me wrong, I love Trek, but it died a long time ago. At least its' soul did.

I'm convinced that Star Trek became trendy after DS9 went out. Hiring this douche to do the next movie is just going with the recent trend. I mean, don't get me wrong, I love Trek, but it died a long time ago. At least its' soul did.

This is why all true trekkies should latch onto Seaquest and demand that it be brought back.

Hey! Hayden found a role that suits his abilities!


Plot Outline: The story focuses on a man (Christensen) who suffers "anesthetic awareness" and finds himself awake and aware, but paralyzed, during heart surgery. His young wife (Alba) must wrestle with her own demons as a drama unfolds around them.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0211933/

Yeah, but Black Forrest, he is married to Jessica Alba! Things seem to have a little bit of light for him. :p

i dunno what u guys are on about unless u hate lost alias and mission impossible3 which u havent eveeb seen.....

i dunno what u guys are on about unless u hate lost alias and mission impossible3 which u havent eveeb seen.....

I'm told young Kirk is being played by Hayden Christensen! Enough said.

*nods*

Anyone who says Star War is superior to Trek needs to try watching some TNG and DS9. But, I digress...

If they get Hayden Christianson to play Kirk, I shall boycott this. As it is I probably will anyway, until I hear that it might actually be somewhat decent, in which case I shall tred cautiously.

And woah. Apart from my melee weapons thread, this is the only thread I've ever made on this place that actually had more than, like, fifteen posts.
Are you saying you're a threadkill, or that you like to post about unpopular topics, or that you like to post about hot enough topics that the threads get locked?

BTW, remember - Anakin WAS the prophecied one, in a fashion. It would make sense for him to be the great balance between Star Wars and Star Trek.

This...this is just horrible. Seriously folks, if I'm saying Star Trek is dead, it really is dead.
Give it 20 years (again).

Are you saying you're a threadkill, or that you like to post about unpopular topics, or that you like to post about hot enough topics that the threads get locked?

BTW, remember - Anakin WAS the prophecied one, in a fashion. It would make sense for him to be the great balance between Star Wars and Star Trek.
I'm just saying that most of my threads typically don't get posted in. That's all.

...and that's really pushing it, you know. Even for you, Straughn.

Willamena: In twenty years...

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Hmmm...

since its a dumb idea in the first place, they might as well use CGI to create teh characters. then shatner and nimoy could do the voices and not have to be played by some other losers. its a few years since that final fantasy film, the technology is just about ready. or they could just do another TNG film. Having a likeable cast that obviously get along goes a long way towards making even an average film seem good.

IMO, Enterprise killed Star Trek. When I first heard that it was a prequel, I felt very nervous, knowing that every prequel I've ever seen sucked, but I give it a try. The very first episode, they started that "Temporal Cold War" and I knew that it was doomed. I suffered through the first two seasons somehow, but I don't know why. The third season, was slightly less crappy than the first two, but still total crap, and I started missing shows. The final season was actually decent, and if it had been season one, it might have been salvagable. But it was too little too late, and while I felt sadness at the end of an era, I also felt relief that it was done.

I didn't bother clicking the link, but I already know I won't watch this latest movie.

or they could just do another TNG film. Having a likeable cast that obviously get along goes a long way towards making even an average film seem good.
Sure, if you can make Marina Sirtis and Jonathan Frakes fit in their uniforms again.

IMO, Enterprise killed Star Trek. When I first heard that it was a prequel, I felt very nervous, knowing that every prequel I've ever seen sucked, but I give it a try. The very first episode, they started that "Temporal Cold War" and I knew that it was doomed. I suffered through the first two seasons somehow, but I don't know why. The third season, was slightly less crappy than the first two, but still total crap, and I started missing shows. The final season was actually decent, and if it had been season one, it might have been salvagable. But it was too little too late, and while I felt sadness at the end of an era, I also felt relief that it was done.

I didn't bother clicking the link, but I already know I won't watch this latest movie.

What's funny is that the first time I heard they were going to do a new show (Enterprise) is that I heard that it was going to be set hundreds of years after Voyager and DS9. It probably would have been better then....

since its a dumb idea in the first place, they might as well use CGI to create teh characters. then shatner and nimoy could do the voices and not have to be played by some other losers. its a few years since that final fantasy film, the technology is just about ready. or they could just do another TNG film. Having a likeable cast that obviously get along goes a long way towards making even an average film seem good.

Or they could just hurry up and do a DS9 film, already.

Or they could just hurry up and do a DS9 film, already.
They should make a Trek set in the parallel universe, the one with Earth's Empire. Shortly after Emperor Spock kicks the bucket.

They should make a Trek set in the parallel universe, the one with Earth's Empire. Shortly after Emperor Spock kicks the bucket.

You mean with the Klingons and Cardassians making war against the Terran Empire?

Except... Emperor Spock didn't kick the bucket. (Of course, I haven't much kept up with the books, since Dark Victory, so yeah....)

You mean with the Klingons and Cardassians making war against the Terran Empire?

Except... Emperor Spock didn't kick the bucket. (Of course, I haven't much kept up with the books, since Dark Victory, so yeah....)
I haven't read the books. I think I remember they said something to that effect in DS9, but I'm really not sure.

Considering that the three Star Wars prequels seem to have cooled at least some Star Wars fans' opinions on Star Wars, and that this new Trek movie looks like it might kill off Star Trek for some time, then we could see Stargate SG-1/Atlantis and the revised Battlestar Galactica taking places as the new icons of American science fiction television....

...wait, I said that like it's a bad thing... :p

I'm just saying that most of my threads typically don't get posted in. That's all.

...and that's really pushing it, you know. Even for you, Straughn.

Oh. Well i'll make more of an issue to bring irreverence and glib banality to your cyberstep, then. When the server is feeling nice to me, that is.

Even for me? You're not another one of those "standards" people, are you? ;)

How is this even possible? Kirk and Spock now look to be about 70 years old. The magic of movie makeup has its limits.

BTW, remember - Anakin WAS the prophecied one, in a fashion. It would make sense for him to be the great balance between Star Wars and Star Trek.

*Gets killed seven times before hitting the floor.*

What is thy punning, my Master?

*Vader breath*

I think my fear about this comes from the very bad track record Star Trek has with making any sort of prequel material. Look at Enterprise... good show in itself, but contradicted a lot of the established history of the Star Trek universe. An example that easily comes to mind is the use of the hand phasers. Captain Archer's crew had access to phaser weapons, despite the fact that Captain Pike's did not. (Remember the big LASER weapon they used to try and blast open the Tallosian security doors?)

If they can keep it consistent, as well as cast the characters well, then they have a pretty good chance of making a worthy film.

Just remember they also have to get around the odd-numbered movie curse... Although maybe the curse was broken by the miserable-yet-even-numbered-Star Trek:Nemesis...

Trek died when they came out with Voyager aka TNG-lite ("less filling, more T&A!") and ENT was just the final confirmation when they reused VOY stories that had been reused TNG stories. All this movie is doing is milking the last fluids from the decomposing corpse of the franchise before finally tossing it aside.

This is why all true trekkies should latch onto Seaquest and demand that it be brought back.

Ha, Seaquest is as dead as Space: Above and Beyond. Now that's a series that deserves being resurrected.

ive heard tht there is meant to b a new film

*Gets killed seven times before hitting the floor.*

Hey! That ain't me, that's Saint Curie.
I'm just the Replacement Jesus.

*Vader breath*
That's more like me, what with the sleep apnea and all.

Its ok they where ruining the whole legacy with the newer series anyways.... :mp5:

It was all pretty good. Until Enterprise. That was horrible. It destroyed the timeline and had to resort to stupid stuff like AIDS discussions to get viewers. Not that aiding AIDS research is a bad thing.

How is this even possible? Kirk and Spock now look to be about 70 years old. The magic of movie makeup has its limits.
New actors, of course. Which would probably end up being high profile actors, judging by Paramount's idiocy thus far.

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You know, this would be a perfect opportunity for me to try out for being Kirk or Spo--nah, I couldn't get to whereever they're holding auditions and have no record, so I'd never even be considered.

New actors, of course. Which would probably end up being high profile actors, judging by Paramount's idiocy thus far.

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You know, this would be a perfect opportunity for me to try out for being Kirk or Spo--nah, I couldn't get to whereever they're holding auditions and have no record, so I'd never even be considered.
Kirk OR Spock?
How, preytell, do you possess enough identifiable traits of both of them that you could be passable as either of them?

Kirk OR Spock?
How, preytell, do you possess enough identifiable traits of both of them that you could be passable as either of them?
I don't, actually. That was said mostly in jest. I suppose I could be a passable Spock, if I worked at it, but other than that? Nah, couldn't be anyone.

I bet I'd make a good Kirk. I suck as an actor, what other qualifications do I need? :)

I don't, actually. That was said mostly in jest. I suppose I could be a passable Spock, if I worked at it, but other than that? Nah, couldn't be anyone.Well, i was gonna say ....
Kirk - singular focus/demeanor, stocky, somewhat tan in complexion.
Spock - lanky, very pale-complexion, observant.

It would have been an interesting mix!

I KNOW, I KNOW!! They can get the cast of Galaxy Quest to play the parts of the characters in the new movie, and we'll have special guest star Jennifer Garner come in as six different characters (INCLUDING Nurse Chapel) and don't forget to let the (still-living) former Trek actors from ALL the series show up in cameo roles and they do something 'clever' like have Hayden and the Spock actor make little double-takes whenever one of the former actors smiles wisely and turns away or walks on and they're like, 'huh, thought that person looked familiar, ha ha'.

...dear gods. I can see them doing something like that, and it scares me. Please let me be wrong.

Trek died when they came out with Voyager aka TNG-lite ("less filling, more T&A!") and ENT was just the final confirmation when they reused VOY stories that had been reused TNG stories. All this movie is doing is milking the last fluids from the decomposing corpse of the franchise before finally tossing it aside.

You are so right. Sad but true.

I KNOW, I KNOW!! They can get the cast of Galaxy Quest to play the parts of the characters in the new movie, and we'll have special guest star Jennifer Garner come in as six different characters (INCLUDING Nurse Chapel) and don't forget to let the (still-living) former Trek actors from ALL the series show up in cameo roles and they do something 'clever' like have Hayden and the Spock actor make little double-takes whenever one of the former actors smiles wisely and turns away or walks on and they're like, 'huh, thought that person looked familiar, ha ha'.

...dear gods. I can see them doing something like that, and it scares me. Please let me be wrong.

Galaxy Quest made me cry at the end.

I KNOW, I KNOW!! They can get the cast of Galaxy Quest to play the parts of the characters in the new movie, and we'll have special guest star Jennifer Garner come in as six different characters (INCLUDING Nurse Chapel) and don't forget to let the (still-living) former Trek actors from ALL the series show up in cameo roles and they do something 'clever' like have Hayden and the Spock actor make little double-takes whenever one of the former actors smiles wisely and turns away or walks on and they're like, 'huh, thought that person looked familiar, ha ha'.

...dear gods. I can see them doing something like that, and it scares me. Please let me be wrong.
The risk of having such dark and recessive thoughts AND internet access is that they risk potential of becoming OTHERS' dark and recessive thoughts - including scriptwriters and plagiarists.
Whoops, got the word out! D'oh!

If two characters named "Ruth" and "Finnegan" were to appear then I would be impressed beyond words. If they don't (which they won't) then I will weep at what they've done.

Now for a trivia question: To what TOS episode am I referring and why would those characters appear in this movie?

Galaxy Quest made me cry at the end.
I love the part where they beamed the rock creature on board. Priceless!

If two characters named "Ruth" and "Finnegan" were to appear then I would be impressed beyond words. If they don't (which they won't) then I will weep at what they've done.

Now for a trivia question: To what TOS episode am I referring and why would those characters appear in this movie?
You're talking about the episode where they had their thoughts read, and the keepers of the world ran it like an amusement park.
Why would they be in the movie?
Finnegan was Kirk's bane in Academy -
Ruth is (one of) his ex's.

As to why they'd be in there, well, i'm not that clever.

Well if the movie is about Kirk at the Academy then shouldnt his Academy nemesis and his old flame from his Academy days figure into the plot of the film?

I think it could actually work, they'd have to try real hard though because I dont think anyone can ever do Spock unless his name is Leonard Nimoy. But if they started the film STIIish and showed Kirk doing the Kobiyashi Maru test, that could be cool.

You're talking about the episode where they had their thoughts read, and the keepers of the world ran it like an amusement park.
Why would they be in the movie?
Finnegan was Kirk's bane in Academy -
Ruth is (one of) his ex's.

As to why they'd be in there, well, i'm not that clever.
I wasn't the only one who knew that? Odd. And I barely ever watched the original series.

If--and I do mean IF--they stick to previous canon and just extrapolate from there, I'll have hope for this. But will they? No. No they won't. Especially if they somehow get Braga on the crew for it. Braga doesn't care about canon. Seriously. He literally said that, and ridiculed fans that do. I'm sorry, Mr. Braga. I'm sorry that we've been holding the shows to the standards they were held up to when Roddenbarry was at the helm. *shakes head*

Well if the movie is about Kirk at the Academy then shouldnt his Academy nemesis and his old flame from his Academy days figure into the plot of the film?

I think it could actually work, they'd have to try real hard though because I dont think anyone can ever do Spock unless his name is Leonard Nimoy. But if they started the film STIIish and showed Kirk doing the Kobiyashi Maru test, that could be cool.
I was funnin' with ya. That's why i mentioned "Academy". ;)
I like your idea about the Kobiyashi Maru test, though.

I wasn't the only one who knew that? Odd. And I barely ever watched the original series.

If--and I do mean IF--they stick to previous canon and just extrapolate from there, I'll have hope for this. But will they? No. No they won't. Especially if they somehow get Braga on the crew for it. Braga doesn't care about canon. Seriously. He literally said that, and ridiculed fans that do. I'm sorry, Mr. Braga. I'm sorry that we've been holding the shows to the standards they were held up to when Roddenbarry was at the helm. *shakes head*
No. Braga BAD.
Braga doesn't belong in this run. At all. Somehow he'll involve "The Relativity" and The Borg into a fight to keep Kirk in or out of the timeline using some HORRIBLY WRITTEN misunderstanding (or blatant disregard) of physics. And then everyone will talk about their "feelings". :mad:

BTW, i was raised on it. Every weekday @ 6pm, dinner or no dinner. :)

No. Braga BAD.
Braga doesn't belong in this run. At all. Somehow he'll involve "The Relativity" and The Borg into a fight to keep Kirk in or out of the timeline using some HORRIBLY WRITTEN misunderstanding (or blatant disregard) of physics. And then everyone will talk about their "feelings". :mad:

BTW, i was raised on it. Every weekday @ 6pm, dinner or no dinner. :)
Me, I was raised on TNG.

But I do have hope Braga won't be involved. He and Berman both said they were through with Trek, saying that the fans and they were tired of it. No, we're not tired of it, you idiots. We're tired of your perversion of it. That said, I'd be extremely grateful if Berman and Braga had nothing to do with it. Extremely. It'd give me a wee bit of hope that this might actually turn out to be pretty good.

so what do you guys think the odds are that this will actually turn out to be a good movie?
Also, what are the varying opinions out there on which good movie was best?

Me, I was raised on TNG.

But I do have hope Braga won't be involved. He and Berman both said they were through with Trek, saying that the fans and they were tired of it. No, we're not tired of it, you idiots. We're tired of your perversion of it. That said, I'd be extremely grateful if Berman and Braga had nothing to do with it. Extremely. It'd give me a wee bit of hope that this might actually turn out to be pretty good.
I stayed with TNG 'til season 5 or 6, and then my social life started drawing me to other wiles and weathering.
I still don't think i've seen all of them.
I haven't seen all of DS9 either, although i liked some of the plotlines they had on it. I like having storywriting restricted to plot twists, since it forces the writers to work harder at continuity. That may sound a little slavish, but it worked for many stories to have to keep up.
I personally liked Carter's adaptation to Anderson's pregnancy, m'self (X-Files)
I haven't seen all of Voyager, seeing as how two or three episodes into it i couldn't handle the "character dvpmnt" they were working on. So i only saw a few of them.
Enterprise didn't impress me much in the first season, but the second season really started picking up. I also looked at that show as others are with this anticipation, since there was a lot of history to deal with, and some good writers could've done that while also doing some good character dvpmnt.
Alas, i didn't finish that one either. I made a mission of seeing the "Augment" episodes, for obvious reasons, but i really didn't seem to find the time to stay on top.

so what do you guys think the odds are that this will actually turn out to be a good movie?
Also, what are the varying opinions out there on which good movie was best?
Well, I enjoyed Generations, loved First Contact, and enjoyed Insurrection, though that last one could have been better with a little more work.

First Contact is the one everyone tends to agree is the best, though, I've noticed.

As for this movie, as I said: I seriously doubt it'll be any good, unless they bring it good writers and actors who FIT THE CHARACTERS, rather than just being popular. My dad, of course, is going to love it no matter what, but then, he thought Voyager was fantastic as well as Enterprise. (Voyager wasn't THAT bad, you know. It had some decent episodes. Year of Hell, anyone? And you gotta love the Doctor. Always been a Robert Picardo fan, always will be.)

If they bring it writers who know Trek, like the Reeves-Stevens, and Manny Coto, as well as decent actors, and base it off of TOS canon and extrapolate...it has chances of being pretty good. But I don't think they'll do any of that.

so what do you guys think the odds are that this will actually turn out to be a good movie?
Also, what are the varying opinions out there on which good movie was best?
The odds of goodness are directly proportional to the further the writers are from Roddenberry. :(

As for movies, there were a few really good ones. I liked I, II, III, VI, IV, V in that order (although V pissed me off somewhat for reasons i don't need to waste time with here) for TOS
and for TNG I think First Contact was the best for a lot of reasons, and i can say even if you weren't a Trek fan you could get into it.
After that, Insurrection (yes, i know ... i'm partial to the scenery and one or two other things), after that Generations (a problem or two in there), and after that by a margin, Nemesis.

That's probably another thread.

The great thing about the OS movies were that they formed a relatively continuous story, at least from II-VI and Generations really did continue on with that in many ways.

The problem I see with this new movie is that there are so many things that HAVE to be right. Sometimes you can get away with just a great plot or just good actors but for a movie like this to succeed its going to need everything: a great script, great actors (It can be done, Ewan McGreggor stepped into Alec Guiness's role perfectly IMO) and it needs to fit canonically. Part of Enterprise's problem was that it just didnt fit with what we'd already seen. Especially with a series like Star Trek, I mean really, how many casual fans are there? :p

The great thing about the OS movies were that they formed a relatively continuous story, at least from II-VI and Generations really did continue on with that in many ways.

The problem I see with this new movie is that there are so many things that HAVE to be right. Sometimes you can get away with just a great plot or just good actors but for a movie like this to succeed its going to need everything: a great script, great actors (It can be done, Ewan McGreggor stepped into Alec Guiness's role perfectly IMO) and it needs to fit canonically. Part of Enterprise's problem was that it just didnt fit with what we'd already seen. Especially with a series like Star Trek, I mean really, how many casual fans are there? :p
There aren't that many casual fans. Most fans tend to be rather devoted to it. It's one of those things that creates a lot of controversy.

And yes, so many things must go right. If they do manage that...I dunno what I'd do, but it sure wouldn't be boycotting this movie. But they've already made mistake number one: hiring a director famous for action movies with little actual plot but lots of explosions and "high-concept" ideas. What are the odds they'll get everything else right?

For me, Star Trek is not dead, it never was dead and never will be dead. It is merely slumbering until it comes back with a vengence at some time in the future, long after Star Wars is forgotten and long after the travesty that was the Lord of the Rings trilogy is acknowledged as the trash it was.:)

I did try to watch the second Star Wars trilogy, but I fell asleep in the cinemas and found the movies not very interesting. I don't know why I bothered, as I found the first the original three eppisodes err episodes 4-6 I mean to be incredibly BORING and UNINSPIRING.

Lord of the Rings put me to sleep ... both in the cinemas and on the DVD. Pity about that - I did really enjoy the books.

Until the return of Star Trek, I say ... BRING BACK SLIDERS!!!! and make a movie from it!!!!

Gets down off his soapbox and drops his 2 cents

Until the return of Star Trek, I say ... BRING BACK SLIDERS!!!! and make a movie from it!!!!
You mean the first two seasons, before the "zombie" episode? :rolleyes:
Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen bridges are apparently one of the best plot devices ever. I actually love the theory behind the reality as is ...
Anyway, that's what pissed me off about Season 3, the writing got singular and spotty.

Here's a question--didn't Kirk and Spock meet when Kirk took over for Pike? I mean, Spock was part of Pike's crew. I thought they met then. Or did they know each other beforehand? I haven't seen TOS for SO long that I honestly can't remember.

But if this is so, then wouldn't that mean they didn't meet in Starfleet Academy?

Here's a question--didn't Kirk and Spock meet when Kirk took over for Pike? I mean, Spock was part of Pike's crew. I thought they met then. Or did they know each other beforehand? I haven't seen TOS for SO long that I honestly can't remember.

But if this is so, then wouldn't that mean they didn't meet in Starfleet Academy?
Ships passing in the night. Or some memory block thing. Or some kind of temporal interference. You know ... ;)

Here's a question--didn't Kirk and Spock meet when Kirk took over for Pike? I mean, Spock was part of Pike's crew. I thought they met then. Or did they know each other beforehand? I haven't seen TOS for SO long that I honestly can't remember.

But if this is so, then wouldn't that mean they didn't meet in Starfleet Academy?
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Holy carp I forgot about that. Spock's only three years older than Kirk, but even still, you're right: they didn't meet till the Enterprise.

Well, that wraps it up, ladies and gents. We can kiss any possible canonical trappings goodbye.

kirk & spock's first date... what's next...?*lol*

I can't imagine what they're thinking with the proposed story.. They can't exactly use the real Spock and Kirk. Arguably Kirk might be replaced (a 15-20 year age gap can explain some difference), but vulcans hardly age. Even in TNG the used the original Spock.

*lol*

I can't imagine what they're thinking with the proposed story.. They can't exactly use the real Spock and Kirk. Arguably Kirk might be replaced (a 15-20 year age gap can explain some difference), but vulcans hardly age. Even in TNG the used the original Spock.
It's their Academy days. So they use different actors, as we've said many times throughout the thread. Considering what they've done thus far, expect actors with well known names rather than ones that actually fit the role.

Ha, Seaquest is as dead as Space: Above and Beyond. Now that's a series that deserves being resurrected.A god please yes. That show was awesome..
Although there was the bit about the assumed alien life originating indirectly from earth. meh.. Still.

star trek has officialy died before. at the end of the origeonal series when paramour bought it then refused to do anything with it for years and years. but the fans kept pestering them and eventualy, and with obvious reluctance, but good quality, they eventualy relented and brought out a series of big screen movies. after that broke the ice there was an animated series for a while and then the spinoff serieses, the latter i think partialy do to the efforts of nurse chapell, rodenburry's widow, ragel. and don't forget, ahch i've forgotten the name, but there as a bnf who wrote a bunch of really good fanfics, even got them published. trumble or something like that i think her name, and i think it was a her, was.

but there was a major coordinated and organized effort that just grew and grew during those years when paramour was greedily keeping it on ice to themselves and not doing or letting anyone else do, anything with it, other, that is, then as mentioned, the fandom itself.

soo: "he's dead jim!" that may be. but it's a corpse that HAS gotten up and walked before.

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[QUOTE=KyroneaVoyager wasn't THAT bad, you know. It had some decent episodes. Year of Hell, anyone? And you gotta love the Doctor. Always been a Robert Picardo fan, always will be.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, and the holographic Doctor was about the only human character on the show (which is quite ironic when you think about it) and actually developed over time. And Year of Hell is what the whole series should've been, not "crap, the ship got blown to hell, but next week it'll look like it just came out of the shipyards!"

Trek died a painful death a long time ago.

It was more like watching a close relative die of some slow and hideous wasting disease. I always liked Star Trek, but TNG left me rather nonplussed with it's pseudo semi-religious Prime Directive drivel, and its' sleek starships that seem to be able to be brought down by just about anyone with a good slingshot with some lead shot. You'd think technology would have advanced enough that they could take a hit or two without the shields collapsing. In any case as long as it isn't Jean Luc. Riker, R2D2 (I mean Data, my bad.) and the rest of the gang from TNG, I will be a happy camper with just about anything they come up with.

Though the Borg were undeniably cool.

It would have been nice if they could have come up with something more original besides digging up Kirk yet again.

I want a StarTrek show just about hte Klingons!!!
They were always my favorite

http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/news/article/15891.html

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:(

I...I held out on Star Trek living for a lot longer than most people...but this is the doom of it. Or at least films and television. Books'll probably continue for quite a while, so there's at least that.

But tell me. Who in their right FUCKING mind thought this was a good idea? This sounds like something out of those deliciously funny parodies, about Berman and Braga trying to destroy Trek so they bring in famous directors. What's next? Matt Damon and French Stewart playing Kirk and Spock?

This...this is just horrible. Seriously folks, if I'm saying Star Trek is dead, it really is dead.

Oddly enough, this was going to be Undiscovered Country or Generations according to Shatner in Star Trek Movie Memories. So it's not a huge surprise, just delayed. But yes, it will sound the death knoll.

Yeah, and the holographic Doctor was about the only human character on the show (which is quite ironic when you think about it) and actually developed over time. And Year of Hell is what the whole series should've been, not "crap, the ship got blown to hell, but next week it'll look like it just came out of the shipyards!"

Yeah, I gotta go with that. Year of Hell should have been the whole series. That would've been great, but also shy away from the nice, clean wholesome fun of Star Trek as envisioned by Paramount...

Hell, why not a show on Section 31? Or those Temporal Prime Directive Detectives from Trial and Tribulations? Those woulod be ace and original. Sloane, anyone?

I like star trek because it gives me things to think about that i never really thought about. It also reflects polotics and human behavior. Action is always cool, but without plot and ideas, it's not a movie.

TOS-Good ideas and plots, unintended comedy for the effects-excelent movies(100%)
TNG-Good ideas (sometimes) not much action (-1)(75%)
DS9-Didn't see much of it, kinda boring on a station stuck in one place. Good action.(50%)
VGR-Good ideas, good action, horible for resembling a soap opera (a space opera? lol)(80%)
ENT-Never seen much of it, seems way too soap operaish(0%)

I-"Star Trek: The Motionless Picture"(0%)
II-excellent - nemisis stole it and did a bad job with the idea too, good music(100%)
III-good(90%)
IV-funny, but kinda outdated(85%)
V-excellent idea, good comedy, excellent music(95%)
VI-excellent, exellent music(100%)
VII-ok, should have been more like TOS and less like TNG(75%)
VIII-good, not much plot, but cool beginging, and good action and music(60%)
IX-Not a teribly good plot, but ok(70%)
X-Pure action, no plot, horibly copied from ST2(5%)
XI-living off what star trek used to be, probably no plot, going to turn out just like X when it stole ST2's idea.(0%)

STAR TREK WILL NEVER DIE. ARGH :gundge:

they should do cross over things. like, and god forbid it ever actually happening, but Star Trek/Stargate..... hahaha Borg-Gould HYbrids... now thats hella scary!

P.s. DS9 sucked serious ass! especially when there was no more Jadzia Dax to look at!

P.p.s Stargate rules over anything previously mentioned! Trek, Wars.... ANYTHING!

I like star trek because it gives me things to think about that i never really thought about. It also reflects polotics and human behavior. Action is always cool, but without plot and ideas, it's not a movie.

TOS-Good ideas and plots, unintended comedy for the effects-excelent movies(100%)
TNG-Good ideas (sometimes) not much action (-1)(75%)
DS9-Didn't see much of it, kinda boring on a station stuck in one place. Good action.(50%)
VGR-Good ideas, good action, horible for resembling a soap opera (a space opera? lol)(80%)
ENT-Never seen much of it, seems way too soap operaish(0%)

I-"Star Trek: The Motionless Picture"(0%)
II-excellent - nemisis stole it and did a bad job with the idea too, good music(100%)
III-good(90%)
IV-funny, but kinda outdated(85%)
V-excellent idea, good comedy, excellent music(95%)
VI-excellent, exellent music(100%)
VII-ok, should have been more like TOS and less like TNG(75%)
VIII-good, not much plot, but cool beginging, and good action and music(60%)
IX-Not a teribly good plot, but ok(70%)
X-Pure action, no plot, horibly copied from ST2(5%)
XI-living off what star trek used to be, probably no plot, going to turn out just like X when it stole ST2's idea.(0%)

you apperntly missed the DS9 dominon wars which were the best star trek televison episodes of all time

you apperntly missed the DS9 dominon wars which were the best star trek televison episodes of all time

Werdz.

DS9 started pretty shitty. Then cisco shaved his head and got all mean, and the show started to rock.

I like DS9 when it was showing...
But yeah, Star Trek, like James Bond, died when somebody decided to start making pure action movies and skip the plot.
James Bond started to die with Goldeneye.
Star Trek began its death shortly after Generations. Possibly during.