NationStates Jolt Archive


My last post.

Europa alpha
21-04-2006, 00:41
This is gonna be my last post.
Id better make it good :fluffle:

Im gonna take a quick whip round on your opinions of me and i dont care if you insult me so if the mods could look away.

Also attached to thread cos im weird like that
Whats your opinions on.

Democracy
Abortion
Christianity
Atheism
Liberalism
Fundamentalists
George Bush
Esperanto
European Union
Communism
Genocide

Tally ho chocks away and finish on a song "When i was juuust a littttle girl i asked my mother what would i be, will i be pretty will i be rich heres what she said to me...
DrunkenDove
21-04-2006, 00:51
I have no idea who you are.
I V Stalin
21-04-2006, 00:53
Dude, that was a good last post. Five times!

I keep getting you confused with Europa Maxima...

Edit: No, it didn't just say six...
Pure Metal
21-04-2006, 00:54
why is this your last post? and why have you got 5 copies of this thread all over page 1?

you seemed pretty cool though so sorry to hear you're going
I V Stalin
21-04-2006, 00:55
why is this your last post? and why have you got 5 copies of this thread all over page 1?
One word. Jolt. As to the second question, I haven't got the foggiest. :p
Europa alpha
21-04-2006, 01:02
Cos of personal reasons that will most likely lead to my unavailability at this time
and cos my computer messed up and the universe has a twisted sense of humour
Zolworld
21-04-2006, 01:04
Democracy - it doesnt work, but its the best way anyone can think of

Abortion - Im pro choice, although I hope that choice never involves me.
Christianity - its alright as long as no one gets carried away. Jesus sure was a nice guy.
Atheism - Thats me that is
Liberalism - thats me too
Fundamentalists - you cant spell fundamentalist without mentalist
George Bush - oh dear. oh deary deary me. 2 terms. WTF?
Esperanto - what?
European Union - like democracy, its a good idea that doesnt eork
Communism - in principle its alright, in reality its an excuse to oppress everyone
Genocide - well thas not very nice is it.
Santa Barbara
21-04-2006, 01:05
Democracy - Nice idea in theory, mob rules or oligarchy in practice
Abortion - Sometimes necessary. Plus let's face it, some people shouldn't be breeding.
Christianity - eh, religion.
Atheism - Many misconceptions abound about this. No its not a religion.
Liberalism - Depends on whether by "liberal" you mean "freedom" or "Democrat Party"
Fundamentalists - Go away
George Bush - Go away
Esperanto - Does anyone actually speak that?
European Union - Like the USA, only less so
Communism - a bad idea, even in theory
Genocide - a euphemism for mass murder
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
21-04-2006, 01:05
Cos of personal reasons that will most likely lead to my unavailability at this time
and cos my computer messed up and the universe has a twisted sense of humour
I can't remember much about you, but I am rapidly becoming of the opinion that you suck at this whole "finality"-thing.
Jenrak
21-04-2006, 01:06
This is gonna be my last post.
Id better make it good :fluffle:

Im gonna take a quick whip round on your opinions of me and i dont care if you insult me so if the mods could look away.

Also attached to thread cos im weird like that
Whats your opinions on.

Democracy
Abortion
Christianity
Atheism
Liberalism
Fundamentalists
George Bush
Esperanto
European Union
Communism
Genocide

Tally ho chocks away and finish on a song "When i was juuust a littttle girl i asked my mother what would i be, will i be pretty will i be rich heres what she said to me...

My cult is bigger than your cult.
Europa Maxima
21-04-2006, 01:08
Dude, that was a good last post. Five times!

I keep getting you confused with Europa Maxima...

Edit: No, it didn't just say six...
Confuse me with him at your peril.

And I bid you adieu Europa Alpha. One less leftie anyway...
I V Stalin
21-04-2006, 01:09
Confuse me with him at your peril.
Why? Will you vent your fury through my screen? I didn't mean it insultingly, it's just your names both start with Europa, and I get easily confused.

Here. Have a cookie.
Keruvalia
21-04-2006, 01:10
This is gonna be my last post.

No, post #6 was - so far.

Democracy - Works everywhere but the United States. We're too apathetic to care about voting.
Abortion - Choice. Even if it's used for birth control.
Christianity - Desperately needs reform.
Atheism - Has more annoying followers than Christianity.
Liberalism - Is the only true form of rational thought.
Fundamentalists - Eat poop.
George Bush - Eats poop.
Esperanto - Loved the Shatner film.
European Union - Needs a better soundtrack.
Communism - Is the way to go.
Genocide - Is a lousy hobby.
I V Stalin
21-04-2006, 01:12
Democracy - it exists.
Abortion - pro-choice.
Christianity - again, it exists. Sadly.
Atheism - Damn...couldn't you have put agnosticism? Then I could have made a great joke about whether it exists or not...
Liberalism - Yup.
Fundamentalists - Fun
George Bush - Nice guy. Father of the current president.
Esperanto - kills the Despair Squid.
European Union - why?
Communism - buggered.
Genocide - what? Am I for it or against it? Guess.
Canada6
21-04-2006, 01:17
Benjamin... is that you?
Posi
21-04-2006, 01:18
-snippers-
First, bullshit. They alwas come back, except for TIN and Jesussaves and Myrth and H N Fiddlebottoms I through VII. Ok a few don't come back. Anywho, your questions:

Democracy:Was a good idea, then the French turned it into a ruthless, bloody, massacure. We would be stupid to try it again.
Abortion: Limit one per fetus.
Christianity: Since it is a sin to worship anyone but God, we should worship Jesus.
Atheism: Can't quite figure out why they got drunk of Christ's blood.
Liberalism: It's a good thing.
Fundamentalists: Are not as fun as their name suggests.
George Bush: Needs to shave more.
Esperanto: NS needs a cult around Esperanto.
European Union: Too, European, therefore it is easily mistaken for gay.
Communism: Proof that the first step to achieving any goal is tohead in the exact opposite direction.
Genocide: All teh cool leaders do it.
Europa Maxima
21-04-2006, 01:19
Democracy -Definitely a good thing, if combined with meritocracy. As a political system, minarchism is better.
Abortion -Pro abortion.
Christianity -I am loosely Catholic, so definitely for. It needs reform though.
Atheism -If it is one's choice, why not? It makes more sense than most religions. Some of its adherents lack the capacity to think logically though, turning it into their religion.
Liberalism -I am libertarian, so I am for social freedoms and economic liberalism.
Fundamentalists -Of any religion? Scary people.
George Bush -A misguided, controlled fool.
Esperanto -A nice attempt at a universal European language. Latin is better.
European Union -A wonderful thing, if it becomes something similar to the Swiss model (a confederal union of nations).
Communism -Statist Communism is an abomination. True Communism is a nice utopian ideal.
Genocide -All death is wrong.
The Black Forrest
21-04-2006, 01:22
Who are you?


Democracy - Could work if apathy doesn't set in.
Abortion - ProChoice
Christianity - In great moderation
Atheism - What ever floats your boat.
Liberalism - I've been labeled a Classical by a few people.
Fundamentalists - No thank you.
George Bush - God no thank you!
Esperanto - Kiel vi fartas?
European Union - Could work. Time will tell.
Communism - Nahh
Genocide - Valid reason for war.
Ilie
21-04-2006, 01:24
You: I don't know you.

Democracy: Great in theory, not so great in practice.
Abortion: I think more people should get abortions.
Christianity: Whatever, I'm Jewish.
Atheism: I'm a Jewish atheist.
Liberalism: I'm a liberal.
Fundamentalists: Fundamentalists are crazy.
George Bush: George Bush is crazy.
Esperanto: ?
European Union: Whatever, I'm not in Europe.
Communism: Great in theory, not so great in practice.
Genocide: Not great in theory OR in practice.
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
21-04-2006, 01:29
Democracy - Mob rule? Stupid idea. Democratic Republics are a slight bit better, but, personally, I could care less who is in charge provided they are limited to miniarchy (Corruption is meaningless without power).
Abortion - I am neither a fetus nor a woman, so I don't really care.
Christianity - Applied or in theory? Christianity helped prevent Europe from completely tearing itself to peices in the days after the Roman Empire, and it was Christianity that led the Crusades, and the Crusades which, in turn, brought Europe the knowledge and trading relationships it needed to escape the Dark Ages.
In theory, Christianity is just another pile of altruistic bullshit designed to keep peasants in line and prevent people from embracing their full natures (the good and the bad).
Atheism - Too many militant Atheists and nihlists among us, but what can you do?
Liberalism - Assuming you mean Modern Liberalism, then it is a weak-kneed excuse for a political movement based on protecting people from their own stupidity. Ultimately, its prophecies that people need government interference are self-fulfilling, as each generation has even fewer pressures weeding out the weak.
Fundamentalists - Crack heads, the lot of them.
George Bush - As a stop-gap measure to keep out Gore/Kerry, he works. By any other standard, the man is a failure.
Esperanto - I spit on your "language", sir, in a manner which conveys all the respect I can manage.
European Union - I think they have a very silly idea of what constitutes "Europe" (I mean, Turkey? Come on)
Communism - Worse than Christianity. All of the bullshit, just as many idiot-adherents, spawned facism as a counter-movement, but brought none of the practical benefits in history.
Genocide - Killing isn't nice; Killing a lot of people, more so. The motive, however, is meaningless. Dead is dead.
Grand Maritoll
21-04-2006, 01:31
Democracy- Democracy is a good theory, unfortunately it often leads to persecution.
Abortion- Never acceptable.
Christianity- Many Christians scare me with their radicalness. How does "God hates fags" fit with "God is love" and "love your neighbor as yourself", as well as "love the sinner, hate the sin"?
But on the whole, I think Christian teachings are a positive influence on the world.
Atheism- I can respect the desire to believe nothing that isn't absolutely proven, as many atheists like to claim they do. And then I wonder if they are aware of the hypocrisy involved in claiming that you have that desire and then following a religion other than Agnosticism.
Liberalism- I'm a liberal, except for when the liberal stance interferes with my morals.
Fundamentalists- Most of them take their fundamentalism too far. As a whole, I don't really like them, but I try to be patient with them/tolerate them.
George Bush- I really like the first Black settler in what is now Washington State. From what I hear, he was a pretty cool guy.
Esperanto- Now that I've looked it up, it looks interesting. I need to find out more!
European Union- Didn't Turkey want to join that?
Communism- Great in theory. Too bad humans are selfish as a whole.
Genocide- Genocide is bad, mmm'kay?
Europa Maxima
21-04-2006, 01:37
*snip*
Wow, we agree on almost everything.
Norderia
21-04-2006, 01:48
You: Bye.

Democracy: "It's the people who are motivated who are causing all the trouble!" -Carlin

Abortion: I couldn't give less than a shit. But there are a few interesting points. 2, Ranting Gryphon: "You can't accidently get fucked! And judging by the looks of some of these women, they had to PAY to do it!" We need some way to slake this outrageous birth rate. If people don't wanna do the whole condom thing, might as well kill a collection of cells. Heh. Like with cancer.

Christianity: Jesus was a nice guy (for the most part). It's all the fuckers AFTER him that make me want to explode the universe. The only "religion" I despise more than Christianity is Satanism.

Atheism: I've got nothing against the ism at all. But as with ANY group of people, there are the idiots. They make me say "Secular Humanist" instead of "Atheist" because I don't wanna associate with some of those dumb bastards.

Liberalism: Just one side of a coin. Won't say it's wrong, won't say it's right. 'Tis all a matter of perspective.

Fundamentalists: I have plenty of religious friends, from all of the major and some of the minor ones. They are tollerant. Therefore, I tollerate them. Fundamentalists? They're a fundamental pain in the world's collective ASS.

George Bush: I hope he lives forever, just so he won't be glorified like Reagan was.

Esperanto: That's a fun word to say. Reminds me of strong coffee.

EU: Indifferent.

Communism: I love Marx. Maybe Trotsky. Not so much any of the others. "Rich get richer 'til the poor get educated." -Sage Francis. Rich people are obnoxious.

Genocide: Something on par with "Boys will be boys," only, with humans. Deplorable, but very much status quo.

I don't like humanity. I'm ashamed. I'mma go live in a cabin in the woods, write poetry, and look at ants and mice.
Splang
21-04-2006, 17:41
You omitted Miniature American Flags from the list... :rolleyes: :mad:
Valori
21-04-2006, 18:00
I keep getting you confused with Europa Maxima...

Ditto.

Anyways, Arivaderci.
Randomlittleisland
21-04-2006, 18:17
Democracy Good in theory.
Abortion Sure, why not.
Christianity No thanks, but don't let me stop you.
Atheism Is the most logical viewpoint.
Liberalism Economically: no. Socially: YES!
Fundamentalists Are in need of reeducation.
George Bush Deserves to be shot repeatedly in the upper torso.
Esperanto :confused:
European Union Great in theory, a bit too right wing and corrupt for my tastes though.
Communism Nice in theory, socialism is more pragmatic though.
Genocide I'm hardly going to say yes to this am I now?

:fluffle:
Smunkeeville
21-04-2006, 18:33
Democracy- works sometimes, better than alternatives I can think of
Abortion- I think it's wrong, but shouldn't be illegal, although late term abortions should be regulated
Christianity- I like it
Atheism- it's a free country
Liberalism- depends, which side of the pond are we talking?
Fundamentalists- I am one (or so I have been told)
George Bush- SR? or W?
Esperanto- :confused:
European Union- not a clue about it.
Communism- bad bad bad idea.......although not as bad as socialism
Genocide- not very nice at all. :(
Intangelon
21-04-2006, 18:44
This is gonna be my last post.
Id better make it good :fluffle:
Whats my opinions on:

Democracy - I think the public hasn't a clue what they want, and as a result get what they deserve.

Abortion - Between a woman and her conscience. No uterus, no opinion. Don't like 'em? Don't have 'em. Leave anyone but you and your family alone. Pithy enough?

Christianity - To each their own, just leave me alone.

Atheism - See above.

Liberalism - What? Where? I don't see any!

Fundamentalists - Now these I see everywhere. It's no coincidence that "mental" is part of this word.

George Bush - Proof that shit floats. Again, we got what we asked for by refusing to ask anything.

Esperanto - Nice try.

European Union - See above.

Communism - Without corruption and greed? Impossible. See above.

Genocide - How come nobody ever wants to eradicate the honkies?

As for you, good sir, I cannot claim to know you at all. But the fact that you included an open-ended questionnaire in your final post says something. What, I have no idea, but something.

Cheers!

Magister Jubal
Intangelon
21-04-2006, 18:56
Democracy - it exists.
Abortion - pro-choice.
Christianity - again, it exists. Sadly.
Atheism - Damn...couldn't you have put agnosticism? Then I could have made a great joke about whether it exists or not...
Liberalism - Yup.
Fundamentalists - Fun
George Bush - Nice guy. Father of the current president.
Esperanto - kills the Despair Squid.
European Union - why?
Communism - buggered.
Genocide - what? Am I for it or against it? Guess.

The Boys from the Dwarf! Nice reference.
Ifreann
21-04-2006, 18:58
That's a crap song to leave on. Leave on 'The Bright Side Of Life' by Monty Python.
Intangelon
21-04-2006, 18:59
George Bush- I really like the first Black settler in what is now Washington State. From what I hear, he was a pretty cool guy.

Spectacular reference! I thought of using it (what with Washington being my beloved home state and all), but thought it would be too obscure. My thanks and admiration to you, sir.
Intangelon
21-04-2006, 19:00
That's a crap song to leave on. Leave on 'The Bright Side Of Life' by Monty Python.
"If life seems jolly rotten
There's something you've forgotten
And that's to laugh and dance and smile and sing..."
IL Ruffino
21-04-2006, 19:12
This is gonna be my last post.
Id better make it good:fluffle:
Fluffles go in the fluffle thread hunn. *points to sig*

Im gonna take a quick whip round on your opinions of me and i dont care if you insult me so if the mods could look away.
You are very kinky in bed.

Democracy
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! No. ER.. no!
Abortion
*nod*
Christianity
Whats that?
Atheism
*nod*
Liberalism
*nodnod*
Fundamentalists
eeeeew........
George Bush
Now thats against my religion babe!
Esperanto
I love that flavor of icecream!
European Union
ahh fuck em.
Communism
mmmm corruption!
Genocide
Makes good movies.
Tally ho chocks away and finish on a song "When i was juuust a littttle girl i asked my mother what would i be, will i be pretty will i be rich heres what she said to me...
I'm putting that on your grave stone... :(
Europa Maxima
21-04-2006, 19:37
Ditto.

Anyways, Arivaderci.
A simple look at my name and my writing style (and content), and how grossly the latter differs from Europa Alpha's leftist rants, should dispel any veil of delusions you suffer from though.
Soheran
21-04-2006, 19:47
Bye.

Democracy

Excellent. The only moral political and economic system.

Abortion

Any woman who wants to terminate her pregnancy should be capable of terminating her pregnancy. That includes poor women.

Christianity

A huge number of admirable members, but containing a good few absurd statements.

Atheism

A sensible position, and one I take a good half of the time.

Liberalism

My opinions have a strong liberal influence, but often liberalism to me seems to be concerned more with meaningless forms than reality, especially as far as democracy and equality go. Its obsession with property rights is problematic.

Fundamentalists

One of the worst groups of humans on the planet, with a few exceptions.

George Bush

A despicable war criminal and an utterly incompetent president.

Esperanto

An interesting idea, but, obviously, a complete failure in application.

European Union

I am opposed all states, at least the current model of them or anything closely resembling it.

Communism

Libertarian versions of it are extremely close to my own views. Stalinist perversions of it have committed immense and inexcusable crimes.

Genocide

A horrendous crime.

A simple look at my name and my writing style, and how grossly the latter differs from Europa Alpha's rants, should dispel any confusion you suffer from though.

Indeed. I have never had a problem.
Psychotic Mongooses
21-04-2006, 20:04
Who are you?
Asbena
21-04-2006, 20:13
-Snip-


Democracy
Best System for now.
Abortion
If the woman or the man wants for an unwanted baby.
Christianity
Tyrannical, but still nice.
Atheism
A bad belief system, but their loss.
Liberalism
Good, but seems to be hypocritical more then conservatives.
Fundamentalists
Haha. Same thing.
George Bush
Pack your bags baby, its going to be a cold lonely hell you'll endure after leaving office.
Esperanto
Beautiful, simply beautiful.
European Union
A early system of confederation that mimics early America.
Communism
A good idea for computers, but not people.
Genocide
A terrible practice that is down right horrid.

Bye man. Will miss ya.
Vellia
21-04-2006, 20:15
This is gonna be my last post.
Id better make it good :fluffle:

Im gonna take a quick whip round on your opinions of me and i dont care if you insult me so if the mods could look away.

Also attached to thread cos im weird like that
Whats your opinions on.

Democracy
Abortion
Christianity
Atheism
Liberalism
Fundamentalists
George Bush
Esperanto
European Union
Communism
Genocide

Tally ho chocks away and finish on a song "When i was juuust a littttle girl i asked my mother what would i be, will i be pretty will i be rich heres what she said to me...

Democracy - hate it
Abortion - wrong all the time
Christianity - love it
Atheism - don't understand how anyone can believe it
Liberalism - bane to humanity
Fundamentalist - Christian :) Anything else :( /:mad:
George Bush - idiot, but better than the alternative
Esperanto - beautiful, would like to learn it, but hate to see auxlangs
European Union - bane to Europe - Let individual cultures remain!!!
Communism - another failed system that brought horrible destruction
Genocide - Stop it whenever possible even if we may fall into horrible debt or lose many lives!
Sdaeriji
21-04-2006, 20:23
Democracy: Sex
Abortion: Sex
Christianity: Sex
Atheism: Sex
Liberalism: Sex
Fundamentalists: Sex
George Bush: Sex
Esperanto: Sex
European Union: Sex
Communism: Sex
Genocide: Sex


Que sera, sera.
Dorstfeld
21-04-2006, 20:30
What's your opinions on

Democracy: What Churchill said.
Abortion: see George Bush and Fundamentalists
Christianity: illogical
Atheism: also illogical
Liberalism: Yes
Fundamentalists: see Abortion
George Bush: see Abortion
Esperanto: definitely more logical than English
European Union: yes oui ja si da nai (and 16 more)
Communism: based on wrong assumptions
Genocide: most hideous of crimes
Harlesburg
21-04-2006, 20:32
This is gonna be my last post.
Id better make it good :fluffle:

Im gonna take a quick whip round on your opinions of me and i dont care if you insult me so if the mods could look away.

Also attached to thread cos im weird like that
Whats your opinions on.

Democracy
Abortion
Christianity
Atheism
Liberalism
Fundamentalists
George Bush
Esperanto
European Union
Communism
Genocide

Tally ho chocks away and finish on a song "When i was juuust a littttle girl i asked my mother what would i be, will i be pretty will i be rich heres what she said to me...
Democracy is a sham, Winnie said so so it must be true.
Abomination, have the baby and quit your moaning.
Nothing wrong with the principals of Chrstianity.http://assets.jolt.co.uk/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif
Atheism=Moronic
Liberalism is a mental disorder
Refute of the disenfranchised and Arab
The best candidate for President at the last two elections but not the best possible candidate or ineligible other.
Esperanto... it is a type of Coffee right?
I'd prefer Greater Germania... however it would be great if there were no Liberals.
Communism is about as crap as Capitilism and forgets abut two important
things one) Human greed and Two)Percieved equality.
Batman is cool Genocide isn't.:p

Are you also a Gay Alpha?
Yootopia
21-04-2006, 20:32
Right.

Democracy - It's quite good, in most circumstances.
Abortion - It's good that women get the choice.
Christianity - This is alright, as long as people don't go mental about it.
Atheism - This is quite good, due to it not making people start wars for reasons of faith.
Liberalism - Social liberalism is great, economic liberalism less so.
Fundamentalists - These are bad, irrelevant of their religion.
George Bush - Is a fool, but on the other hand he's not really pulling the strings.
Esperanto - This is quite good also, but nobody realy speaks it.
European Union - Woohoo! Although a European Federation would be better.
Communism - This is brilliant in theory, but generally only works in small numbers.
Genocide - This is always bad. Always.

Have a great trip, too!
Harlesburg
21-04-2006, 20:42
Right.

Democracy - It's quite good, in most circumstances.
Abortion - It's good that women get the choice.
Christianity - This is alright, as long as people don't go mental about it.
Atheism - This is quite good, due to it not making people start wars for reasons of faith.
Liberalism - Social liberalism is great, economic liberalism less so.
Fundamentalists - These are bad, irrelevant of their religion.
George Bush - Is a fool, but on the other hand he's not really pulling the strings.
Esperanto - This is quite good also, but nobody realy speaks it.
European Union - Woohoo! Although a European Federation would be better.
Communism - This is brilliant in theory, but generally only works in small numbers.
Genocide - This is always bad. Always.

Have a great trip, too!
Why can't men have the choice also?
Sdaeriji
21-04-2006, 20:44
Why can't men have the choice also?

I doubt anyone is keeping you from aborting any of your unwanted pregnancies.
Jerusalas
21-04-2006, 20:50
Democracy

Land of peace and Happybunnies

Abortion

I'm not a woman. But it's their body. They can do with it what they will.

Christianity

A silly religion that believes in deity. Perfectly suitable for my neighbors.

Atheism

A silly non-religion that doesn't believe in a non-deity. Imperfectly unsuitable for someone not my neighbors.

Liberalism

Meh.

Fundamentalists

Zee-Oh-Em-Gee! Teh ebol!

George Bush

See above.

Esperanto

Come again?

European Union

Proof that the end times are nigh. Why? Because it's the new Roman Empire! And the Chinese are going to send eight million mutant flying-horses to harry them. And then Jesus will have a party. With Mohammad. In hell.

Communism

It's too French for me....

Genocide

UN failures. Over. And over. And over. Again.
IL Ruffino
21-04-2006, 20:50
I doubt anyone is keeping you from aborting any of your unwanted pregnancies.
It's his fault she was pregnant!

*nod*playa*nod*
I V Stalin
21-04-2006, 20:51
Que sera, sera.
Do you mean that that's what you think of when each topic is mentioned, or that's the way to solve each of them? Though I can't imagine the latter would be the case with abortion...
Mariehamn
21-04-2006, 20:52
Ah, Esperanto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto). An interesting concept - not entirely a failure like some posts suggest as there are international travel organizations that use the language - but there are some problems in it ever achieving its goal.

The biggest one is lies in the mysterous depths of fuzzy science. The general arguement is that its too Americano Finno-Indic, Right-Western Indo-Slavic, or is it Lower Teutonic Sino-Aryan? Never mind. Point is: People don't like it.

My only problem with this is that a number of speakers have had their children learn it as their mother tongue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto#The_Esperanto_speaker_community). Now, what's the point of having a international language used to promote understanding world-wide if there is a minority of people that learned it as children? Now that Esperanto is no longer stictly a second language, that cuts a big part in encouraging international dialog in this language.

Why? Not everyone is guarenteed to be able to relate to one another on one level: Having learned Esperanto as a second language. The world has hundreds of cultures that are constantly changing, with thousands of possible socio-economic backgrounds, languages such as English and Spanish are distancing themselves and continuing to devlop in their own way. What was to united a splintered world was Esperanto.

However, Esperanto now has a number of people that call it their mother tongue, which creates a group that are invested in it from birth that could possibly care about it as much as the French cherish French. Which means we might as well choose Sami (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sami#Language) or Basque (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basque_language) as our lingua franca.

A much better alternative for at least the Western world - even more so for Europe - would be a charming combination of Latin and Ancient Greek, as those languages are dead and form the cornerstone of Western culture.

That's the only opinion I feel like giving.
Europa Maxima
21-04-2006, 20:58
A much better alternative for at least the Western world - even more so for Europe - would be a charming combination of Latin and Ancient Greek, as those languages are dead and form the cornerstone of Western culture.

That's the only opinion I feel like giving.
I agree entirely. Germanic also forms a major part of European languages though. Later forms of Latin were germanicised. Latin, as a derivative language of Greek, already contains enough Greek to avoid the need for such a combination. So, a restoration of later forms of Latin would be awesome.
Europa Maxima
21-04-2006, 21:09
Are you also a Gay Alpha?
He isn't. I am.
Manvir
21-04-2006, 21:16
Esperanto - is that like a coffee you buy at starbucks ?
Mariehamn
21-04-2006, 21:22
So, a restoration of later forms of Latin would be awesome.
As long as it means everytime I look at "democracy" and read "folk steers" I'll be happy our with decision.

I don't personally know if Latin can do that, which is why I suggested both. After all, Latin did borrow quite a bit from Ancient Greek as you illuded to, and its really the only way to get Eastern Europe in playing the game, thanks to the Byzantines and all. I just don't want to leave Russia feeling left out in the cold. Russia was just an example by the way, as historically Eastern Europe didn't get too much of Latin, did it? *honest question*
Europa Maxima
21-04-2006, 22:07
As long as it means everytime I look at "democracy" and read "folk steers" I'll be happy our with decision.

I don't personally know if Latin can do that, which is why I suggested both. After all, Latin did borrow quite a bit from Ancient Greek as you illuded to, and its really the only way to get Eastern Europe in playing the game, thanks to the Byzantines and all. I just don't want to leave Russia feeling left out in the cold. Russia was just an example by the way, as historically Eastern Europe didn't get too much of Latin, did it? *honest question*
Its languages were born from the Cyrillic alphabet, which essentially had Greek (Byzantine) bases, so that much is correct. However, modern Eastern European languages have significant Latin influences, even Russian. Perhaps not as much as the Romance languages, or even the Germanic ones, but enough for Latin to have an impact. I can see why you would suggest a mixture of Ancient Greek and Latin though, and based on it I would agree. The Latin alphabet would still be preferrable though.

Germanicised Latin is, essentially, still Latin, just a later version of it. It sounds better than the original as well. Hopefully, a future European tongue will be a mix of Latin, Greek and some Germanic.
Sadwillowe
21-04-2006, 22:14
Democracy
Combined with a strongly-limiting constitution and absolute rule-of-law, the best system of governance in existence. Probably the best possible for humans.
Abortion
I don't believe in it, so I don't do it. If someone else wants to do it, why should I care if it doesn't affect me or anyone I care about
Murder
I don't believe in it, so I don't do it. If someone else wants to do it, why should I care if it doesn't affect me or anyone I care about
Christianity
Mostly good. Would have probably been better if any of it was actually written by Jesus:( . I consider myself an agnostic-Christian
Atheism
Really boring religion.
Liberalism
Good, but I think most liberal philosophers assume people are far more selfish than they actually are. I'm beginning to lean more republican-communitarianism.
Fundamentalists
Nutjobs. Christian- and Islamic-, and probably anything else, fundamentalism is more similar than different.
George Bush
Like the anti-Carter.
Carter: good man, common-sense, bad for America because he was stupidly-unpopular and stupidly-betrayed by his party.
Bush: bad man, idiot, bad for America because he is stupidly-popular and stupidly-supported by his party.
Esperanto
Someone suggested Latin. Me I'd say a Latin equivalent to Basic English might be good. This might describe Esperanto.
European Union
Can anything built on the bones of the EEC be any good?
Communism
Strangely would work well under exactly the same conditions as extreme capitalist-libertarianism. Unfortunately, the scum who rise to the top, find themselves completely unfettered in either system.
Genocide
Swift trials, slow death.
Mariehamn
21-04-2006, 22:21
The Latin alphabet would still be preferrable though.
If you're concerned about the alphabet, it really doesn't matter!
The Cyrillic and the Latin could be used for both languages. Albanian alphabet had three alphabets one time where all were based from Cyrillic, Ottoman Turkish, and Latin.
There would only have to be a standardized version of these language(s) ( in Latin or Cyrillic ) that we'd like to see come about for official business ( commericial, international communications, et cetera ).
The Atlantian islands
21-04-2006, 22:24
Yeah...I'll sure miss your leftist anti American rants...:rolleyes:

Democracy Direct Democracy is the best democracy, too bad Americans are too stupid for it. :headbang:

Abortion Not sure...I'm against is morally but not sure legally.

Christianity Good religion...though I am not one of its followers

Atheism A bunch of Godless, featus eating tree huggers.

Liberalism Euro-Liberalism was good because it revolutionized Western civilization, American Liberalism is a gay flimsy facade that leftists hide behind because they dont want to actually face their problems. I like American Conservativism.

Fundamentalists Usually idiots, but if it werent for them balancing out the extreme left, we might be a left wing country, and I'd die before that happens.

George Bush Good guy, although I would prefer another Reagan.

Esperanto Eh, Europe should go back to its roots: Latin.

European Union Some bad and some good...Like Europa Maxima said, good if they model their soceity based on the Swiss. As an American, I dont like it cuz it means we have someone else to battle with, for a European...its probably the best thing, even though its no where near perfect.

Communism Idiotic, even in theory. The complete opposite of what I beleive in.

Genocide Something we will hopefully work to stamp out.
The Atlantian islands
21-04-2006, 22:26
True Communism is a nice utopian ideal.

Even though it goes against everything you beleive in?
Pythogria
21-04-2006, 22:35
Democracy- It's working OK, but there has to be something better.

Abortion- Depends. If it's about "The baby isn't a boy!" then... NO. If it's about it will have some terrible disorder, I say abortion should be allowed. If it was produced by rape, abortion should be allowed. Otherwise, no.

Christianity- I don't believe in it and I think it's not true at all, but, hey, as long as it isn't extremist, worship all you want.

Athiesm- In my opinon, true.

Liberalism- I'm sort of Conservative and don't agree with 99% of what they say.

Fundamentalists- No. Just no.

George W. Bush- Moronic president, needs to be impeached. And perhaps put in prison for getting the US into two wars it shouldn't be in.

Esperanto- And... that is?

Eiropean Union- Very good idea if managed right.

Communism- In THEORY, an incredible idea. In practice? Thus far, no. If it actually manages to work in the future it'll become my political belief. For now I'm against it.

Genocide- My #1 reason for starting wars in role-play. Something that needs to be stamped out, and the government/group in charge? Excecute those who gave the order.
Andaluciae
21-04-2006, 22:40
Democracy--Good, if properly implemented, but there are dangers to democracy.
Abortion--The entire debate over abortion irritates me, and I refuse to take part until someone on one side or the other decides to become civil and non-retarded.
Christianity--Decent, good religion that has been abused for some people to benefit their own personal power. It must be mentally separated from these abuses and viewed on it's straight up benefits and dangers.
Atheism--When respectful of other people's views and belief atheism causes no harm, and atheists can be very productive and beneficial to society. But some people can abuse it and cause harm.
Liberalism--What do you mean? American political jargon or the traditional concept of liberal philosophies?
Fundamentalists--Can be good, can be bad.
George Bush--Seemingly increasingly imcompetent and weak-kneed when faced with tough decisions.
Esperanto--Is that like a mocha latte or something?
European Union--Can be good, can be bad.
Communism--Theoretically flawed, dangerous and outright morally wrong concept.
Genocide--Booooooooooooooooooooooooo. Don't kill large groups of people for no apparent reason! Booooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
Eutrusca
21-04-2006, 23:03
This is gonna be my last post.
Why???

Democracy: most effective form of government in the long run.
Abortion: sad, but no other way to handle it than to give women the choice.
Christianity: many pluses, but people take it too far, as with most religions.
Atheism: better to think you don't know everything.
Liberalism: not bad in principle, but breaks down in practice.
Fundamentalists: idiots, or never questioned what their parents taught them.
George Bush: not a bad guy, but in way over his head.
Esperanto; irrelevant
European Union: good luck!
Communism: totally unworkable
Genocide: sheer lunacy and ultimate evil
Europa Maxima
21-04-2006, 23:22
Even though it goes against everything you beleive in?
Notice the words "nice" and "utopian". ;) I don't use "nice" for anything I really like. So don't worry, I definitely ain't no leftie :p
Europa Maxima
21-04-2006, 23:24
If you're concerned about the alphabet, it really doesn't matter!
The Cyrillic and the Latin could be used for both languages. Albanian alphabet had three alphabets one time where all were based from Cyrillic, Ottoman Turkish, and Latin.
There would only have to be a standardized version of these language(s) ( in Latin or Cyrillic ) that we'd like to see come about for official business ( commericial, international communications, et cetera ).
Works for me then. :)
Sdaeriji
21-04-2006, 23:28
Do you mean that that's what you think of when each topic is mentioned, or that's the way to solve each of them? Though I can't imagine the latter would be the case with abortion...

I pretty much think of sex no matter what the discussion is.