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I am more inclined to go for Chavez here. He is not my favourite politician by any means; but, he is not quite as (insert: borderline retarded/ warmongering/ balloon spending) as Bush is. :/

Mu.

Mu to you too? o.o

Both of them suck for the economy. How about we just spring Alberto Fujimori from his Chilean jail cell and put him in charge. Sure he had a bunch of people killed, but he cared for the poor and reversed the insane inflation and shitty economy of Peru.

I value financial freedom, so the choice is pretty simple for me...

The US economy is fairly strong (low unemployment, strong DOW -- which points to investor confidence, etc... and our interest rates keep going up, which is a sign that the Fed, at least, thinks that our economy is strong.)

President Bush.

Both of them suck for the economy. How about we just spring Alberto Fujimori from his Chilean jail cell and put him in charge. Sure he had a bunch of people killed, but he cared for the poor and reversed the insane inflation and shitty economy of Peru.


I didn't call either of which an economic FDR. :P

Mu. Both answers are wrong. Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.

Chavez may be a little crazy, but at least he hasn't invaded any countries for shits and giggles.

Mu. Both answers are wrong. Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.
Not when one evil can start a World War and the other one can only rattle his broken sabre.

Chavez may be a little crazy, but at least he hasn't invaded any countries for shits and giggles.


Not when one evil can start a World War and the other one can only rattle his broken sabre.

No. It's still choosing evil. Just the lesser of two evils.

No. It's still choosing evil. Just the lesser of two evils.
Well I pick the evil that doesn't send us all to hell.

Both are odious politicians but Bush has been less effective and doing whatever it is he's tried to do. Since both are interested in feeding the world to the dogs, I'd go for greater incompetence.

Well I pick the evil that doesn't send us all to hell.

All evil leads to hell. :p

Both of them suck for the economy. How about we just spring Alberto Fujimori from his Chilean jail cell and put him in charge. Sure he had a bunch of people killed, but he cared for the poor and reversed the insane inflation and shitty economy of Peru.
Are you Peruvian?

Are you Peruvian?
No, I'm New Jerseyan.

Then how about letting Peruvians decide who should govern them? Pardon me but its that sort of rationale of murder is good in exchange for a few bucks on the side that inspired America's foreign policy to murder elected men in Chile and replace them with tyrannical murderers.

Then how about letting Peruvians decide who should govern them? Pardon me but its that sort of rationale of murder is good in exchange for a few bucks on the side that inspired America's foreign policy to murder elected men in Chile and replace them with tyrannical murderers.
I didn't say that we should choose Peru's leader. I just said I'd rather live in a country ruled by Alberto Fujimori than one led by Bush or Chavez.

I was just letting off some steam. I become aggressive and irrational before nationalist pricks, just like the one that's been crapping his posts in some other thread recently.

I was just letting off some steam. I become aggressive and irrational before nationalist pricks, just like the one that's been crapping his posts in some other thread recently.
Happens to the best of us. I've gotten in trouble because I used to get insanely angry in anti-evolution threads and stuff.

President Bush suits me fine.

i just want to remind people that if Hugo Chavez were in charge of your country, you'd lose your property. Think about that.

Chavez may be halfway competent, and he's doubltlessly completely fuckin crazy.

Bush is completely incompetent, and while religious when it suits him, quite sane.

I vote for the incompetent one, he's not doing that much damage here. Though I do weep for the rest of the world.

I'd take Chavez in a second. I would only take Bush if I could hang him upside down in my basement by his toes and beat him with a baseball bat every day for the rest of his life.

i just want to remind people that if Hugo Chavez were in charge of your country, you'd lose your property. Think about that.


Dont waste your breath in here- many would vote for Calligula over President Bush, strictly for a petty dig at him. They arent thinking of much.

I am more inclined to go for Chavez here. He is not my favourite politician by any means; but, he is not quite as (insert: borderline retarded/ warmongering/ balloon spending) as Bush is. :/

Where's the option that both are dickheads i don't want to see running my country?

Chavez may be halfway competent, and he's doubltlessly completely fuckin crazy.

Bush is completely incompetent, and while religious when it suits him, quite sane.

I vote for the incompetent one, he's not doing that much damage here. Though I do weep for the rest of the world.

This may or may not be directly related to Bush, probably the latter, but considering the US is supposed to be the "beacon of hope and freedom" in the world, the US also has the highest incarceration of any country on the planet. The US has half a million MORE prisoners than China, which has FIVE TIMES the US population. The US currently holds 1/4 of the worlds prisoners...

I'm going to work before I start ranting.

i just want to remind people that if Hugo Chavez were in charge of your country, you'd lose your property. Think about that.
Only if you were a wealthy land-owner who owned haf of the country.

Dont waste your breath in here- many would vote for Calligula over President Bush, strictly for a petty dig at him. They arent thinking of much.

yeah, I know... not much rational thought behind many of the Chavez votes.

But to each his own.

Only if you were a wealthy land-owner who owned haf of the country.

no, he's confiscating ALL property and doling it out as he sees fit. He's an extreme socialist.

If you want to go into business... or think you might one day... you don't want to do it with Chavez in control.

i just want to remind people that if Hugo Chavez were in charge of your country, you'd lose your property. Think about that.
I'd just want to remind people that the US also has eminent domain laws.

I'd just want to remind people that if George W. Bush were in charge of your country, you'd lose your privacy rights (wiretaping, abortion, Patriot act). Think about that.

This may or may not be directly related to Bush, probably the latter, but considering the US is supposed to be the "beacon of hope and freedom" in the world, the US also has the highest incarceration of any country on the planet. The US has half a million MORE prisoners than China, which has FIVE TIMES the US population. The US currently holds 1/4 of the worlds prisoners...

I'm going to work before I start ranting.

In China, they shoot the criminals...

I'd just want to remind people that the US also has eminent domain laws.

I'd just want to remind people that if George W. Bush were in charge of your country, you'd lose your privacy rights (wiretaping, abortion, Patriot act). Think about that.

ahhh, no.

I haven't lost any of my rights, and I don't know anyone who has.

Then again, I don't spend much time with terrorists...

And abortion? Please.

conversely, Chavez is cracking down on freedom of the press and freedom of speech... he's turning into Stalin, Mao, etc... next news out of Venezuela will be that he's mass-killing the Free Enterprise opposition.

I'd just want to remind people that the US also has eminent domain laws.

I'd just want to remind people that if George W. Bush were in charge of your country, you'd lose your privacy rights (wiretaping, abortion, Patriot act). Think about that.


yeah- its rampant here. They are monitoring me now, I have a week to get off my land and they may kick down my door and tale me away tonight, bever to be seen again. :rolleyes:

Would you Chavez voters REALLY rather live in Venezuela than the United States?

I just can't believe there's any real justification for choosing Chavez over a free-enterprise president.

For the record... as much as I firmly believe that Bush is an odious American president, I would definitely prefer Bush over Chavez.

ahhh, no.

I haven't lost any of my rights, and I don't know anyone who has.

Then again, I don't spend much time with terrorists...

And abortion? Please.

conversely, Chavez is cracking down on freedom of the press and freedom of speech... he's turning into Stalin, Mao, etc... next news out of Venezuela will be that he's mass-killing the Free Enterprise opposition.
Chavez is not cracking down on freedom of the press or speach as it has been thoroughly debunked in Whittier's thread.

You can be monitored right now by wiretapping and you wouldn't know it. You have lost your right to privacy. Anti-abortion laws are another attack to privacy and Bush is stacking the supreme court in an effort to overturn Roe V. Wade.

If I have the choice between someone who cars for his poors and someone who sends his poors to a war started for dubious reasons, I'll choose the former.

yeah- its rampant here. They are monitoring me now, I have a week to get off my land and they may kick down my door and tale me away tonight, bever to be seen again. :rolleyes:
Irrelevant. Fragland was going about how Chavez is taking away land. I'm saying it can be done legally almost everywhere.

Chavez is not cracking down on freedom of the press or speach as it has been thoroughly debunked in Whittier's thread.

You can be monitored right now by wiretapping and you wouldn't know it. You have lost your right to privacy. Anti-abortion laws are another attack to privacy and Bush is stacking the supreme court in an effort to overturn Roe V. Wade.

If I have the choice between someone who cars for his poors and someone who sends his poors to a war started for dubious reasons, I'll choose the former.

ROFL

Let me ask you this:

Do you think you could write, in a newspaper, "Chavez Sucks"?

I don't think so. It hasn't been debunked.

If I have a choice between someone who believes in free enterprise and someone who hates business, i'll choose the free enterprise guy every time. Sorry, but I can't f'ing stand socialism. Socialism began as a tool for supporting NOT the poor worker, but the poor couch potato. The poor worker gets shit on because:

a) There are fewer jobs because nobody wants to go into f'ing business when they're forced to give all their income to the damn government

b) The money they do make, they pay right back to the government

c) For those poor workers who want to advance, good luck -- since business is stagnant, you're pretty much stuck in your job. Castes are formed. You heard of people who were stuck on farms in Russia their whole lives because literally nothing else was available... that's what i'm referring to.

As for being monitored, I'm fairly certain that nobody is monitoring me... they're off chasing the bad guys. I don't want some f'ing terrorist to be able to plan, with impunity, to attack my country.

What anti-abortion laws are you talking about? Last time I checked, the Supreme Court's been pretty mum on the subject. IF the issue returns to the states, then it's a state issue, not a federal one.

ROFL

Let me ask you this:

Do you think you could write, in a newspaper, "Chavez Sucks"?

I don't think so. It hasn't been debunked.
Yes you can. ? of the 7 TV stations called for the death of Chavez with no repercussions whatsoever.

If I have a choice between someone who believes in free enterprise and someone who hates business, i'll choose the free enterprise guy every time. Sorry, but I can't f'ing stand socialism.
That is your prerogative. Can't argue over that.


As for being monitored, I'm fairly certain that nobody is monitoring me... they're off chasing the bad guys. I don't want some f'ing terrorist to be able to plan, with impunity, to attack my country.

What anti-abortion laws are you talking about? Last time I checked, the Supreme Court's been pretty mum on the subject. IF the issue returns to the states, then it's a state issue, not a federal one.
You don't know that. And what stops them from monitoring you. You wrote "terrorists" a couple of times. It might have raised a flag. TThey could be watching your communications as we speak. Sure, they'll dismiss youu as one of the "good guys", but I am adamant in my right to privacy, thank you very much. I can't stand Big Brother.

Irrelevant. Fragland was going about how Chavez is taking away land. I'm saying it can be done legally almost everywhere.

...and yet it isn't done indiscriminately to EVERYONE as it's being done in Venezuela.

every now and then, we do hear about people losing their farm so a highway can be built.

i guess there are two main differences to the practice in the US and the scourge that's being perpetrated in Venezuela:

a) It happens to VERY FEW PEOPLE (by %) in the US

b)When it does happen in the US, people are compensated. I do not know that Chavex is giving any of these robbed landowners anything. He might be, he might not be. I sure as hell hope he is.

I don't want to be a total blowhard a-hole who yells at people all the time (hehe)... someone yesterday mentioned that people were farming the rich landowners' land with no option to buy. I believe I have a solution that's far more fair than simply stealing and reassigning the land:

Allow the people who wish to farm the land to farm it, and live there at either no rent or low rent (payable to the landowner, if any rent).

They sell their crops (hopefully the market can continue to offer prices that'll make farming worthwhile) and give some percentage to the landowner, some percentage to the gov't (taxes), and keep the rest (provided Chavez doesn't take it all).

Think of the land as an apartment -- they don't really own it, but they can more or less do what they want to on it.

This way they have a place to live and work, they can make some money should they choose to move somewhere else and/or do something else, and the landowner isn't totally screwed.

I too value privacy... until they get the terrorist (another blip on the NSA monitors. hehe) tracking thing down, i suppose we've got to forgive the honest mistakes (in terms of accidentally tapping the wrong line for 3 seconds). They are, after all, trying to protect us.

yeah- its rampant here. They are monitoring me now, I have a week to get off my land and they may kick down my door and tale me away tonight, bever to be seen again. :rolleyes:

Cool! Can't say it's been nice knowing you! Hope you get to eat something while you're at Guantanimo!

Cool! Can't say it's been nice knowing you! Hope you get to eat something while you're at Guantanimo!


when I'm done playing tennis and just before prayer time, they'll prepare me a meal that confirms to my very strict beliefs that I religiously follow.

Or-did we know someone was starved there ?

...and yet it isn't done indiscriminately to EVERYONE as it's being done in Venezuela.



Proof?

I too value privacy... until they get the terrorist (another blip on the NSA monitors. hehe) tracking thing down, i suppose we've got to forgive the honest mistakes (in terms of accidentally tapping the wrong line for 3 seconds). They are, after all, trying to protect us.

Here, have this amulet.
*Gives Frangland amulet*

It protects against polar bear attacks.
I wear one all the time, haven't gotten attack by one yet!

Granted, I live no where near polar bears... but that just shows you that the amulet works.

Both of them suck for the economy.

Chavez stop inflation, lowered national debt, lowered unemployment, lowered poverty by between 1/3 and 1/2, and all that despite the several lock outs (patronal strikes) and sabottage attempts against him.

i just want to remind people that if Hugo Chavez were in charge of your country, you'd lose your property. Think about that.

And I just want to remind people that if Hugo Chavez were in charge your country, he would allow everyone to access healthcare, education, housing; he would reduce the number of illetterate by one MILLION in a few years, and would cure people who never saw a doctor in their lives.

Chavez may be halfway competent, and he's doubltlessly completely fuckin crazy.

Why do you say that ?

Bush is completely incompetent, and while religious when it suits him, quite sane.

I vote for the incompetent one, he's not doing that much damage here. Though I do weep for the rest of the world.

Invading two countries, threatening to use nuclear weapons against a third one, record national debt, massive use of torture and political prisonners, ... sure, "not that much damage".

ROFL

Let me ask you this:

Do you think you could write, in a newspaper, "Chavez Sucks"?

I don't think so. It hasn't been debunked.

If I have a choice between someone who believes in free enterprise and someone who hates business, i'll choose the free enterprise guy every time. Sorry, but I can't f'ing stand socialism. Socialism began as a tool for supporting NOT the poor worker, but the poor couch potato. The poor worker gets shit on because:

a) There are fewer jobs because nobody wants to go into f'ing business when they're forced to give all their income to the damn government

b) The money they do make, they pay right back to the government

c) For those poor workers who want to advance, good luck -- since business is stagnant, you're pretty much stuck in your job. Castes are formed. You heard of people who were stuck on farms in Russia their whole lives because literally nothing else was available... that's what i'm referring to.

WOW. Do you have any proof at all about any of this?

no, he's confiscating ALL property and doling it out as he sees fit. He's an extreme socialist.

Of what are you speaking ? Of the Law on Land ? If so, he only takes part of vast domains, or land which is unused.

WOW. Do you have any proof at all about any of this?

No, he just assumes any State that is any way inclined to be Socialist is Stalinist Russia in disguise. :rolleyes:

conversely, Chavez is cracking down on freedom of the press and freedom of speech...

Once again, this an utter lie. Venezuela is one of the very few countries on the planet, not including USA or most of Europe, in which you can call to the murder of the President on TV or openly support a coup on TV and still have no trouble with justice afterwards.

chavez is a COMMIE and he hates freedom :mad: :headbang: :upyours:

i say we should :mp5: :sniper: :gundge: him and bring democrasy to venzuwayla lol

rofl and he is named hugo who is named hugo lol what a retarted name

In China, they shoot the criminals...

As it is done in USA. But not in Venezuela, were death penalty doesn't exist.

Would you Chavez voters REALLY rather live in Venezuela than the United States?

Definitely.

For the record... as much as I firmly believe that Bush is an odious American president, I would definitely prefer Bush over Chavez.

Could we know why ?

Chavez all the way. Bush deserves to have a 12" LP shoved up his ass.

Sideways.

ROFL

Let me ask you this:

Do you think you could write, in a newspaper, "Chavez Sucks"?

Far, far worse than that is done DAILY on Venezuela's private TV channels, which are 6 of the 7 national channels.

In 2002, in the two months before the coup, in order to prepare it, the TV channels broadcasted 12 000 (yes, TWELVE THOUSANDS) of clips against Chavez.