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I suppose. I'm always ashamed of myself when I even notice people's races.

I suppose. I'm always ashamed of myself when I even notice people's races.
Aye, I can relate to that. Don't feel to good about myself then...

Heh. I frequently get surprised when my girlfriend (of Sri Lankan descent) tells me about the racism she's suffered, and on more than one occasion I've had to stop myself from asking her why she's been a victim of racism. Possibly I'm just stupid.

We're both students, and live in different houses. Two of her housemates apart from her are in multi-racial relationships, yet when she pointed this out to me, I had to actually think about who she was talking about, before realising.

In response to CC - I rarely notice people's races, though I rarely notice anything about people.

Race is not a condemnation or a character reference, my lack of faith in humanity is universal.

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I disagree with your thread title.

BTW, your poll is flawed too. Nice trap on the second option.

What do you mean by the Third Way?

Are you talking about the Avenue Q musical?

Musical: Avenue Q
Song: Everyone's A Little Bit Racist

Princeton:
Say, Kate, can I ask you a question?

Kate Monster:
Sure!

Princeton:
Well, you know Trekkie Monster upstairs?

Kate Monster:
Uh huh.

Princeton:
Well, he's Trekkie Monster, and you're Kate Monster.

Kate Monster:
Right.

Princeton:
You're both Monsters.

Kate Monster:
Yeah.

Princeton:
Are you two related?

Kate Monster:
What?! Princeton, I'm surprised at you! I find that racist!

Princeton:
Oh, well, I'm sorry! I was just asking!

Kate Monster:
Well, it's a touchy subject.
No, not all Monsters are related.
What are you trying say, huh?
That we all look the same to you?
Huh, huh, huh?

Princeton:
No, no, no, not at all. I'm sorry,
I guess that was a little racist.

Kate Monster:
I should say so. You should be much more
careful when you're talking about the
sensitive subject of race.

Princeton:
Well, look who's talking!

Kate Monster:
What do you mean?

Princeton:
What about that special Monster School you told me about?

Kate Monster:
What about it?

Princeton:
Could someone like me go there?

Kate Monster:
No, we don't want people like you-

Princeton:
You see?!

You're a little bit racist.

Kate Monster:
Well, you're a little bit too.

Princeton:
I guess we're both a little bit racist.

Kate Monster:
Admitting it is not an easy thing to do...

Princeton:
But I guess it's true.

Kate Monster:
Between me and you,
I think

Both:
Everyone's a little bit racist
Sometimes.
Doesn't mean we go
Around committing hate crimes.
Look around and you will find
No one's really color blind.
Maybe it's a fact
We all should face
Everyone makes judgments
Based on race.

Princeton:
Now not big judgments, like who to hire
or who to buy a newspaper from -

Kate Monster:
No!

Princeton:
No, just little judgments like thinking that Mexican
busboys should learn to speak goddamn English!

Kate Monster:
Right!

Both:
Everyone's a little bit racist
Today.
So, everyone's a little bit racist
Okay!
Ethinic jokes might be uncouth,
But you laugh because
They're based on truth.
Don't take them as
Personal attacks.
Everyone enjoys them -
So relax!

Princeton:
All right, stop me if you've heard this one.

Kate Monster:
Okay!

Princeton:
There's a plan going down and there's only
one paracute. And there's a rabbi, a priest...

Kate Monster:
And a black guy!

Gary Coleman:
Whatchoo talkin' 'bout Kate?

Kate Monster:
Uh...

Gary Coleman:
You were telling a black joke!

Princeton:
Well, sure, Gary, but lots of people tell black jokes.

Gary Coleman:
I don't.

Princeton:
Well, of course you don't - you're black!
But I bet you tell Polack jokes, right?

Gary Coleman:
Well, sure I do. Those stupid Polacks!

Princeton:
Now, don't you think that's a little racist?

Gary Coleman:
Well, damn, I guess you're right.

Kate Monster:
You're a little bit racist.

Gary Coleman:
Well, you're a little bit too.

Princeton:
We're all a little bit racist.

Gary Coleman:
I think that I would
Have to agree with you.

Princeton/Kate Monster:
We're glad you do.

Gary Coleman:
It's sad but true!
Everyone's a little bit racist -

All right!

Kate Monster:
All right!

Princeton:
All right!

Gary Coleman:
All right!
Bigotry has never been
Exclusively white

All:
If we all could just admit
That we are racist a little bit,
Even though we all know
That it's wrong,
Maybe it would help us
Get along.

Princeton:
Oh, Christ do I feel good.

Gary Coleman:
Now there was a fine upstanding black man!

Princeton:
Who?

Gary Coleman:
Jesus Christ.

Kate Monster:
But, Gary, Jesus was white.

Gary Coleman:
No, Jesus was black.

Kate Monster:
No, Jesus was white.

Gary Coleman:
No, I'm pretty sure that Jesus was black-

Princeton:
Guys, guys...Jesus was Jewish!

Brian:
Hey guys, what are you laughing about?

Gary Coleman:
Racism!

Brian:
Cool.

Christmas Eve:
BRIAN! Come back here!
You take out lecycuraburs!

Princeton:
What's that mean?

Brian:
Um, recyclables.
Hey, don't laugh at her!
How many languages do you speak?

Kate Monster:
Oh, come off it, Brian!
Everyone's a little bit racist.

Brian:
I'm not!

Princeton:
Oh no?

Brian:
Nope!

How many Oriental wives
Have you got?

Christmas Eve:
What? Brian!

Princeton:
Brian, buddy, where you been?
The term is Asian-American!

Christmas Eve:
I know you are no
Intending to be
But calling me Oriental -
Offensive to me!

Brian:
I'm sorry, honey, I love you.

Christmas Eve:
And I love you.

Brian:
But you're racist, too.

Christmas Eve:
Yes, I know.
The Jews have all
The money
And the whites have all
The power.
And I'm always in taxi-cab
With driver who no shower!

Princeton:
Me too!

Kate Monster:
Me too!

Gary Coleman:
I can't even get a taxi!

All:
Everyone's a little bit racist
It's true.
But everyone is just about
As racist as you!
If we all could just admit
That we are racist a little bit,
And everyone stopped being
So PC
Maybe we could live in -
Harmony!

Christmas Eve:
Evlyone's a ritter bit lacist!

In response to CC - I rarely notice people's races, though I rarely notice anything about people.
It's not a barrier in any way. One of my friends at school is Asian; he's not my best friend, admittedly, but that's because we have nothing in common and his English is poor.

Still, I hate it when I notice races, which I always do.

I disagree with your thread title.

BTW, your poll is flawed too. Nice trap on the second option.

What do you mean by the Third Way?

Actually, if you take the first answer as meaning 'Yes' and the second as meaning 'No', that pretty much sums it up. The poll is intended to be humorous. I didn't catch the 'you cracker' part until after I posted the poll. I can't think of what to replace it with, though.

And the Third Way is....

Libertarianism
The Nazi Party
Communitarianism
Or... the third step on the Eight-fold Path?

In response to CC - I rarely notice people's races, though I rarely notice anything about people.
We've noticed :p

Of course it is not the case that everyone is a little bit racist. Some people are very racist. :p

I suppose I crack jokes on nationality every now and again but were would comedy be without the offence?

so yeah I guess I can be a little racist sometimes like I'm careful what I say around some races as I don’t want to seem racist if that makes sense

Are you talking about the Avenue Q musical?

Yust a bit.

I suppose I crack jokes on nationality every now and again but were would comedy be without the offence?

so yeah I guess I can be a little racist sometimes like I'm careful what I say around some races as I don’t want to seem racist if that makes sense


My work mate is messicun and he'll make lots of whitey jokes while I make the brown people jokes and it's always in good fun because it's obvious that neither of us mean it.

I am not racist, I hate everyone.

Yust a bit.


It's here in Vegas right now and I want to go before this leave for their first national tour in May

Of course. I'm very partial to the human race.

I suppose. I'm always ashamed of myself when I even notice people's races.

Why? How is noticing someone's race racist?



EDIT:Oh and I'm not racist, this laptop has a colour screen :D

It's here in Vegas right now and I want to go before this leave for their first national tour in May

I hate you.

(;))

I hate you.

(;))

your mom... or something

Why? How is noticing someone's race racist?

I would agree that noticing it is not racist... after all, do you notice what color shirt someone is wearing? Just because you SEE it doesn't mean you react negatively to it (which I would think would be a better definition anyway).

My best friend happens to be black. I rarely, if ever, think about that fact, it is just a part of who he is. I am a red head, he is a cartoonist, I am overweight, he is short, I am a cat owner, he is a natural comedian, I am concerned about the environment, he has a girlfriend... race is just another thing on the list of who we are, not to be concerned about any more than any of the other things. I think if you go far out of your way to try and ignore race, that in itself is a larger indication of racism than simply not making it any more important than "favorite ice cream flavor" on the list of how you judge someone (that is to say, not at all important).

So I think the blanket statement that "everyone is a racist" is wrong.

I think we have to define racist as intentionally harming or prevent good things from happening to people based upon their "race" however that may be defined.

For example the statement, Asian people are more susceptable on average to nasal cancer than Europeans concerns race but I don't think it is useful to call it a "racist" statement, as that is not how the term is commonly used.

If I mistakenly believe I should offer black American visitors watermelon and fried chicken when they come to visit me to make them feel at home, then as long as my intentions were sincere I have not been racist, just stupid. My actions would only be racist if I were intentionally trying to offend them.

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I agree. It's when one acts upon racism, however small, that it becomes a problem.

Howeve, while I agree that we're all, at a certain level, racist, I would also say that some are more racist than others. For some it could be so small as to be non-existent.

In response to CC - I rarely notice people's races, though I rarely notice anything about people.
I disagree. When you asked me about "snyrting (http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi-bin/IcelOnline/IcelOnline.TEId-idx?type=simple&size=First+100&rgn=lemma&q1=snyrting)" you accused me of never posting anything helpful.
You're so racist! Well, I should say you discriminate, but I'm joking.

Mariehamn

NÄ :D

(at your sig)

Howeve, while I agree that we're all, at a certain level, racist, I would also say that some are more racist than others. For some it could be so small as to be non-existent.

I don't think so. If you are brought up to believe Laplanders are evil, but when you actually come in contact with them you treat them fairly as individuals and when you see they aren't all evil or even more evil than anyone else, you challenge the ideas you were taught as a child then you are not racist, even though you may still be very ignorant and believe many incorrect things about Laplanders.

Personally I think that Chinese people are shorter on average than Dutch people. When I meet someone who looks Japanese I bow, when I meet someone who looks European I shake hands. I don't offer my sunscreen to people from the Solomon Islands. Although my actions depend upon a persons race, because I'm not trying to harm them my thoughts and actions aren't racist.

Many people have died and suffered because of racism, so it's not surprising it's a touchy subject, but I think we should try to act sensibly about it.

I disagree. When you asked me about "snyrting (http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi-bin/IcelOnline/IcelOnline.TEId-idx?type=simple&size=First+100&rgn=lemma&q1=snyrting)" you accused me of never posting anything helpful.
You're so racist! Well, I should say you discriminate, but I'm joking.
Indeed
In fairness, I remember very few posts on here (I have a bad memory in general), and the only posts of yours I could remember were from a certain debate we had about chocolate or shit.

I think we have to define racist as intentionally harming or prevent good things from happening to people based upon their "race" however that may be defined.

For example the statement, Asian people are more susceptable on average to nasal cancer than Europeans concerns race but I don't think it is useful to call it a "racist" statement, as that is not how the term is commonly used.

If I mistakenly believe I should offer black American visitors watermelon and fried chicken when they come to visit me to make them feel at home, then as long as my intentions were sincere I have not been racist, just stupid. My actions would only be racist if I were intentionally trying to offend them.

I am not entirely sure I agree there... I don't think we can exclude someone who believes in the superiority of one race over the other from the tag 'racist' just because they may not actually set out to damage some one because of that belief. My grandparents, for instance, had a "Jewish" friend (the " " are theirs, not mine). They believed that they were better than this friend, no question, but would never have done anything intentionally harmful to him. In fact, they would do whatever they could to help him, because they felt some sort of noblesse oblige to do so. They were certainly racists in their attitudes, wouldn't you say? One could argue that their very beliefs were harmful, but not that the harm was in any way intentional.

The statement about cancer might well simply be a medically documented fact, like saying more women get breast cancer than men. That does not constitute racism.

The watermelon and fried chicken thing is a bit dicier. If you assume that because they are black, this is the food they would prefer, yes, it does fall under racism, I think. That is, the belief that all "those people" are "any one particular way" is very close to the border of "and all MY people" are "better, somehow". It isn't necessarily the case, but it certainly shows a tendency towards assuming that. At any point when you lump all the members of a racial group into one catagory that really has nothing at all to do with the simple fact of membership in that racial group, such as "watermelon lovers" then it is a racist attitude.

Try not to be racist at all. And treat people equally. I must confess though, in general I'm less physically attracted to people of darker skin colour (not something I can really help). But then again I like blondes better so does that mean I'm racist against red heads?

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Thought about doing that in Finnish, but I'm going to bed. :-)It'd probably be incorrect...
Inte jag heller.
In fairness, I remember very few posts on here (I have a bad memory in general), and the only posts of yours I could remember were from a certain debate we had about chocolate or shit.

Well, it was shit. Which should be placed in a snyrting, not a bird's nest.

Well, it was shit. Which should be placed in a snyrting, not a bird's nest.
Maybe it was a snyrting...or should we just stop that whole discussion?

I think people may look down on the stereotypes of races but, oh well.

Hmm I admit that I am a bit prejudiced against Americans, I suppose. Sorry to all of you Americans who aren't wankers who put money before future generations/other peoples' lives.

Hmm I admit that I am a bit prejudiced against Americans, I suppose. Sorry to all of you Americans who aren't wankers who put money before future generations/other peoples' lives.

Oh come now, everybody living in a free, industrialized country does that

Racism is a complex thing. Since it is racist to judge anyone by the color of their skin, is it not racist to hesitate to accuse a minority of a crime because someone will assume you are saying so because you are racist?

I say the key thing is to always ask yourself the important questions and try to be the best person you can be while still being reasonable about the whole thing.

Nobody is perfect. Deep inside everyone, they think that they are more supirior than the other..it's human.

Oh come now, everybody living in a free, industrialized country does that

I don't, and wouldn't, put profits before people, and I live in Britain.

So, you're a little bit racist...
I'm a little bit rock n roll
You're a little bit Memphis & Nashville
I've got a little bit of motown in my soul
You don't know it's good or bad
I know I love it so
You're a little bit racist
I'm a little bit rock n roll!

Is that what you were thinking about? ...no? ...sorry...
:cool:

I don't, and wouldn't, put profits before people, and I live in Britain.

I was about to ask if you had given all your possessions to charity and if you were working in Africa with a mission.

I don't, and wouldn't, put profits before people, and I live in Britain.

I thought you were talking about Americans spending money on gigantic wasteful cars and polluting the environment because you said, "who put money before future generations"

I was about to ask if you had given all your possessions to charity and if you were working in Africa with a mission.

I've actually worked in a charity shop before.

*edits*

Yeah, that is what I meant. People now or people of the future. Or robots, for that matter, as long as anyone cares about them.

Due to the pervasive nature of racism throughout our society it would be ridiculous to claim you are immune to it. The important thing is to recognise the trait and combat it both within yourself and society as a whole.

Due to the pervasive nature of racism throughout our society it would be ridiculous to claim you are immune to it. The important thing is to recognise the trait and combat it both within yourself and society as a whole.

However while combatting racism you should combat with violent people and violent views. Other than that people are allowed to say or do what they like.

I used to be very racist, but then I realized that the "Great White Race" wasn't doing so well for itself, either. I still view most Blacks and Mexicans as stupid and easily-led, I've just come to grips with the fact that those traits transcend all human boundries.

However while combatting racism you should combat with violent people and violent views. Other than that people are allowed to say or do what they like.

Violent views are not dangerous so long as one does not act upon them.

Violent people are dealt with by the law.

I don't think I'm racist at all, which I put down to growing up in very multicultural areas. I do notice race though, how couldn't you?