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Has anybody else noticed that Bush announced that he is prepared to nuke Iran (if diplomacy fails, witch is possible)?
I don’t know about you but I kinda agree with Bush here. The only way to stop countries that who’d sporadically nuke other countries is to sporadically nuke them yourself.(please note my irony)

This is, translated from political language according to me the biggest crisis since the cold war. I mean, the guy threatens to blow Iran into dust (or at least make it a lot dustier), and to make its rain glow at night!

Seriously what is going on?! Bush with his anti-communist mega weapon arsenal of doom kinda makes me feel uncomfortable now when there are about as many representatives of the US in the Middle East as it is in the Midwest. And now he’s threatening to remove an entire country and its entire people from the face of this earth.
Talk about a mad dictator-like president.

Trust me guys, this ain´t good, this really ain´t good.

He can talk all he want, but as long as he doesn't do it... we should be ok.

*snip*

Threaten to wipe off Israel is like saying you want to be wiped off the map too. Unless Iran uses nuclear weapons (if they are going after them) we won't use them.

Iran'll just wait a couple of years until America has a more liberal president, then it'll get away with a whole lot more.

Threaten to wipe off Israel is like saying you want to be wiped off the map too. Unless Iran uses nuclear weapons (if they are going after them) we won't use them.
True. Right now, it's just Cold War style muscle flexing.

True. Right now, it's just Cold War style muscle flexing.

Yep. Samething happened between the US and the USSR. Both sides threatened one another constantly :D

Yep. Samething happened between the US and the USSR. Both sides threatened one another constantly :D

Nope in fact they didn’t, well at least not directly like this (US did in WWII though. If the would then that would have been an enormous crisis. Possibly the end of the world. But luckily. The world is now days used to the US doing as it likes and Iran has no close allies. So with a but of luck nothing will happen.
I hope..

Nope in fact they didn’t, well at least not directly like this (US did in WWII though. If the would then that would have been an enormous crisis. Possibly the end of the world. But luckily. The world is now days used to the US doing as it likes and Iran has no close allies. So with a but of luck nothing will happen.
I hope..

1) World War II was a whole different situation. Don't even go there.

2) Actually yes they did. Cuban Missile Crisis is prime example of it.

I look at it this way. America is a gun nut with a house full of weapons. A guy from the other side of town says he is going to get a gun for self protection. America says he is a looney who can't be trusted and so snipes him through the head at five hundred yards with a fifty caliber bullet.

Who is the psycho here?

I don't agree with Iran trying to get nukes but what's the evidence they would start nuking people if they had them? Tell me how many wars of aggression Iran has started in the past century. I bet a lot of people who want to nuke or attack Iran don't even know the answer to that question.

Bush wouldn't dare nuke Iran for the same reason he'll never nuke North Korea

They might nuke him right back, it's the same reason the cold war never involved direct missile firing, because both Moscow and Washington knew if you fire at them, they fire back and you both get wiped out

Also, why should the USA defend Israel against Iran? Israel is more than capable of defending itself in the nuclear stakes

They might nuke him right back,

I think that's the real reason there was never a nuclear exchange during the cold war. It's nothing to do with a balence of terror, it was all about the actual leaders of the countries and their families being at risk if a war ever started. There is nothing like having kids to make you think that teaching the Ruskies a lesson might not be such a great idea.

Also, why should the USA defend Israel against Iran? Israel is more than capable of defending itself in the nuclear stakes

Because we are on record as stating that we would defend the state of Israel not to mention, I believe we have a defense treaty with them as well.

we did come close a few times. Especially when the equipment ment to warn us of incoming nukes acidentally failed a few times, and almost launched WWIII! I heard that a UFO over a Russian nuke silo almost caused a launch as well. Freaky, no?

Threaten to wipe off Israel is like saying you want to be wiped off the map too. Unless Iran uses nuclear weapons (if they are going after them) we won't use them.
Because rationality is Bush's strong point.

It works the same as how Pakistan and India say they'll use nukes if the other does something they don't want, or how China says they'll use nukes against Taiwan if Taiwan declares independence. It'll just result in a sable-rattling status quo.

Because rationality is Bush's strong point.

Bush wouldn't be that stupid.

Bush wouldn't be that stupid.

We are talking about the same guy here? Easily defeated by pretzels? Enjoys planting his face on the ground while riding a bicycle? Didn't know the difference between Sunnis and Shiites?

Bush wouldn't be that stupid.
No, non-stupid people wouldn't be threatening nuclear war against another nation. Non-stupid people wouldn't be threatening any kind of war period when they have major military occupations of two different countries.

He knows the difference between Sunnis and Shiites!

"Lovely weather, such a nice Sunni day!"
"Where's the can I gotta take a Shiite?"

No, non-stupid people wouldn't be threatening nuclear war against another nation. Non-stupid people wouldn't be threatening any kind of war period when they have major military occupations of two different countries.
occupation of two different countries... but flattening of another. no need to actually take over Iran.

occupation of two different countries... but flattening of another. no need to actually take over Iran.
Sure, go ahead. Flatten Iran and they flatten a few American major cities, in the best case.

As for the worst case, this nuclear exchange triggers others, the United States are totally destroyed and in stupid, pointless retaliation, they unload their entire atomic arsenal on the presumed aggressors. The resulting radiation would kill the rest of the life in the planet.

America is a gun nut with a house full of weapons. A guy from the other side of town says he is going to get a gun for self protection*. America says he is a looney who can't be trusted and so snipes him through the head at five hundred yards with a fifty caliber bullet.

Who is the psycho here?

you missed a bit out here

*After arming all the neighbourhood thugs

Nukes wont be used on Iran unless they use them first .. but hey the Irainian government might say 'Wow that will get lots of martyers into paradise' and fire anyways

Sure, go ahead. Flatten Iran and they flatten a few American major cities, in the best case.

Iran has no missiles capable of reacing U.S. soil. Plus, we use a few stealth bombers to take out their nuke sites first, so they have no capability of retalliating against Israel. It's not that hard. Iran doesn't have the detection capability that North Korea has. That's the only reason we haven't gone in and bombed the shit out of North Korea's illegal nuclear facilities, because they might actually be able to detect a bomber before we could take out all their nuclear sites But they don't have missiles capable of reaching the U.S. either. But they can reach Japan, another close U.S. ally. Not to mention the 30,000 U.S. troops along the DMZ.

And before you say "we don't know where those sites are", we have spy satellites which confirm such locations. Come on, they can pinpoint a penny on the white house lawn, but can't find a nuclear reactor or detect a radiation signature?

The chances of a nuclear war are very slim. There is mutual deterrence due to allies and the US would be damned if they were to attack a country with nuclear weapons.

Has anybody else noticed that Bush announced that he is prepared to nuke Iran (if diplomacy fails, witch is possible)?
I don’t know about you but I kinda agree with Bush here. The only way to stop countries that who’d sporadically nuke other countries is to sporadically nuke them yourself.(please note my irony)

This is, translated from political language according to me the biggest crisis since the cold war. I mean, the guy threatens to blow Iran into dust (or at least make it a lot dustier), and to make its rain glow at night!

Seriously what is going on?! Bush with his anti-communist mega weapon arsenal of doom kinda makes me feel uncomfortable now when there are about as many representatives of the US in the Middle East as it is in the Midwest. And now he’s threatening to remove an entire country and its entire people from the face of this earth.
Talk about a mad dictator-like president.

Trust me guys, this ain´t good, this really ain´t good.

Why do we ignore Iran's threats to "wipe Israel off the map" and "cause pain" to the USA?

It's not like Bush's words came randomly out of nowhere...

*After arming all the neighbourhood thugs

Do you hand out guns to the neighborhood thugs? Why on earth would Iran do that? Do you have any evidence they would?

Nukes wont be used on Iran unless they use them first .. but hey the Irainian government might say 'Wow that will get lots of martyers into paradise' and fire anyways

And Americans might say, "Nuking Iran might start the apocylpse and get a lot of Christians raptured into heaven." But not every American is a complete nut and nor is every Iranian. And I do think there is something in Quran about not killing innocents and about not attacking non agressive non muslims.

And I do think there is something in Quran about not killing innocents and about not attacking non agressive non muslims.

Yeah, like that's stopped them before.

Do you hand out guns to the neighborhood thugs? Why on earth would Iran do that? Do you have any evidence they would?

Uh...re-read the post you quoted. He's talking about the US arming the "neighborhood thugs" like Iraq and Iran and so forth.

In that sense we're like the Jack Palance character in the movie Shane.
He throws the gun down at the feet of the sheep herder and tells him to pick it up. He doesn't want to pick it up, but Palance makes it clear that if he doesn't bad things will happen. So, reluctantly, knowing that bad things are gonna happen either way but at least he KNOWS what bad thing will happen if he picks up the gun, he picks up the gun....

*BLAM! BLAM!* Says Palance's gun.

Palance: You all saw him, he had a gun.

Apologies and thanks to Bill Hicks.

It works the same as how Pakistan and India say they'll use nukes if the other does something they don't want, or how China says they'll use nukes against Taiwan if Taiwan declares independence. It'll just result in a sable-rattling status quo.

Sable-rattling? That's horrible! Wait 'til the Animal Liberation Front hears about this! Bad enough they trap them and make coats out of them, but rattling them, too?!? For shame!

Iran'll just wait a couple of years until America has a more liberal president, then it'll get away with a whole lot more.
Shut up.

occupation of two different countries... but flattening of another. no need to actually take over Iran.
Yes, because nuking all the major cities in a country of 68 million will make no difference at all, the oil will just glow in the dark and no one will care.

I bet he is one of Bush's war advisors.

Not to mention the 30,000 U.S. troops along the DMZ.
Yeah, it's not like there is twice that number of troops bordering Iran.

Did he think about what would happen AFTER Iran was nuked? The fallout from the international community would be catastrophic! The world doesn't need another reason to hate us. Every time they hear Bush, they think America. Every time they think Bush, they think America.

We are talking about the same guy here? Easily defeated by pretzels? Enjoys planting his face on the ground while riding a bicycle? Didn't know the difference between Sunnis and Shiites?

Didn't he fall of a Segway as well ?

Has anybody else noticed that Bush announced that he is prepared to nuke Iran (if diplomacy fails, witch is possible)?
I don’t know about you but I kinda agree with Bush here. The only way to stop countries that who’d sporadically nuke other countries is to sporadically nuke them yourself.(please note my irony)

This is, translated from political language according to me the biggest crisis since the cold war. I mean, the guy threatens to blow Iran into dust (or at least make it a lot dustier), and to make its rain glow at night!

Seriously what is going on?! Bush with his anti-communist mega weapon arsenal of doom kinda makes me feel uncomfortable now when there are about as many representatives of the US in the Middle East as it is in the Midwest. And now he’s threatening to remove an entire country and its entire people from the face of this earth.
Talk about a mad dictator-like president.

Trust me guys, this ain´t good, this really ain´t good.
This continues the United States misguided, interventionist, agressive foreign policy that seeks to oppress the people of the world. I hear this George Bush speak of ending terror, while his government and Israel(which he supports) are the biggest causes of terror in the world.

Iran will not have a bomb for 5 to 10 and yet bush acts as if it will be tommorrow. Even if they do get a bomb, at most they will threaten Israel, not "the great america" I have heard about. Let Israel deal with it, perhaps a Nuke is just what they need to straighten them out.

he wants to use nukes to stop nukes? This a failure of thinking at best, and genocide at worst. Does know one think about the cost to Iranian civilians this will cause? Bush must be stopped before he destorys us all.

This continues the United States misguided, interventionist, agressive foreign policy that seeks to oppress the people of the world. I hear this George Bush speak of ending terror, while his government and Israel(which he supports) are the biggest causes of terror in the world.

Iran will not have a bomb for 5 to 10 and yet bush acts as if it will be tommorrow. Even if they do get a bomb, at most they will threaten Israel, not "the great america" I have heard about. Let Israel deal with it, perhaps a Nuke is just what they need to straighten them out.

he wants to use nukes to stop nukes? This a failure of thinking at best, and genocide at worst. Does know one think about the cost to Iranian civilians this will cause? Bush must be stopped before he destorys us all.

I challenge you to find a quote saying that bush talked about the nuclear option being viable. I have heard some third hand info about civilians in the pentagon talking about using nukes. No one has even said that it would be a good option. Just something to discuss. In the military, if you don't plan for all contingencies then that one will always come up and bite ya in the ass. It would be irresponsible to not make sure that we are as prepped as possible. Speaking of which, im in country in 2 days so i better get workin.

Has anybody else noticed that Bush announced that he is prepared to nuke Iran (if diplomacy fails, witch is possible)?
I don’t know about you but I kinda agree with Bush here. The only way to stop countries that who’d sporadically nuke other countries is to sporadically nuke them yourself.(please note my irony)

This is, translated from political language according to me the biggest crisis since the cold war. I mean, the guy threatens to blow Iran into dust (or at least make it a lot dustier), and to make its rain glow at night!

Seriously what is going on?! Bush with his anti-communist mega weapon arsenal of doom kinda makes me feel uncomfortable now when there are about as many representatives of the US in the Middle East as it is in the Midwest. And now he’s threatening to remove an entire country and its entire people from the face of this earth.
Talk about a mad dictator-like president.

Trust me guys, this ain´t good, this really ain´t good.

Are you aware that the leaders of FRANCE and RUSSIA said the exact same thing?

Stop your Bash banting.

I just wanna make it public knowledge that I don't make a difference between dead civilians be they from the US, from Israel or from Iran. Whether Israel, the US or Iran gets nuked doesn't make a difference to me.

And I will condemn those who use nukes, no matter who it is, why they do it and who they kill.

I challenge you to find a quote saying that bush talked about the nuclear option being viable. I have heard some third hand info about civilians in the pentagon talking about using nukes. No one has even said that it would be a good option. Just something to discuss.


I love in America the idea of using nukes that will kill millions for decades to come is just something you "discuss"

In the military, if you don't plan for all contingencies then that one will always come up and bite ya in the ass. It would be irresponsible to not make sure that we are as prepped as possible. Speaking of which, im in country in 2 days so i better get workin.
No, what is irresponsible is the US war machine itself. They should never be planning to use nukes,ever

Do you hand out guns to the neighborhood thugs?

Why yes, as a matter of fact. Every Tuesday and Thursday. Keeps the excitement factor going in the neighborhood.

I love in America the idea of using nukes that will kill millions for decades to come is just something you "discuss"

I know, it's part of that cool thing called "free speech" we have.

No, what is irresponsible is the US war machine itself. They should never be planning to use nukes,ever

Always gotta have contingency plans in place. You never know when those alien ships will land or those crazy dictators decide to light some of their own fireworks.

Plus, who wouldn't love watching a nation be transformed into a smoldering parking lot in less than 24 hours? Sure, you and your TV probably wouldn't last after the retaliatory strikes moments later, but i'd be totally worth it.

Bush must be stopped before he destorys us all.

Alright, you get the duck tape and pretzels and I'll meet you outside the White House in 3 hours. BREAK!

I look at it this way. America is a gun nut with a house full of weapons. A guy from the other side of town says he is going to get a gun for self protection. America says he is a looney who can't be trusted and so snipes him through the head at five hundred yards with a fifty caliber bullet.

Who is the psycho here?

I don't agree with Iran trying to get nukes but what's the evidence they would start nuking people if they had them? Tell me how many wars of aggression Iran has started in the past century. I bet a lot of people who want to nuke or attack Iran don't even know the answer to that question.

using your analogy,if said guy from across town says he is getting a gun to defend himself..well yea thats 1 thing

but now thats not really the case now is it.
guy across town is saying your friend should be wiped off the face of the earth...annndddd is claiming he isnt getting a gun,but getting parts that can make a gun,but trust me,just cause i got a barrel,trigger,etc. and i'm trying to make bullets,doesnt mean i am making a gun!

quite a difference dont you think?

as far as wars of aggression,they did have quite the spat with iraq,and have been funding proxy wars against the u.s. and israel for years...hizzbollah ring any bells?
ask the kurds in iran how nice they are to them also.

sorry,but your points are invalid to me.

you cant claim your making enriched uranium for peaceful purposes only,then out of the other side of your mouth claim to have it for self defence(meanwhile threatening genocide against your neighbor)

hate the u.s. all you want,your entitled to your opinion,but it does not make your p.o.v. correct.
nor does defending a lunatic help your argument either.
i actually like iran,but their leaders are head and shoulders more retarded and unstable then our resident twit bush.



"And Americans might say, "Nuking Iran might start the apocylpse and get a lot of Christians raptured into heaven." But not every American is a complete nut and nor is every Iranian. And I do think there is something in Quran about not killing innocents and about not attacking non agressive non muslims."

umm..not that we dont kill innocents,and unfortunately,probably more then we would care to admit...fact is,we dont intentionally target innocents,we go to great lengths and even at great exspense,and danger to ourselves to avoid killing innocents.
if you believe otherwise..your deluded.(i know you can pull out isolated examples..ie. mai lai,etc. but these were abhorrent acts and certainly not policy)

whereas..who is detonating all the car bombs in markets,year after year after year?
i never knew deli's and disco's and churches/mosques and subways,office buildings were valid military targets!

damn and to think of the money we have wasted on smart bombs so we dont kill anyone but the target....shit we coulda just carpet bombed and been done with it.

must be nice being so sure of how evil america is,and how pious and without sin the muslims are.