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Chinese and anti-aricraft missles? Ut oh!

Eutrusca
20-04-2006, 13:10
COMMENTARY: First they were smuggling AK-47s to LA street gangs, then it was drugs, now shoulder-fred anti-aircrft missles! What's next? Briefcase-sized thermonuclear weapons? China needs to get a grip! Or is it all about the money???


Chinese military linked to missile smuggling (http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20060419-110441-8567r.htm)


By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
April 20, 2006

Court papers made public yesterday in the case of a California man who pleaded guilty to trying to smuggle anti-aircraft missiles into the United States show that a Chinese general and state-run manufacturer are linked to the crime.

Chao Tung Wu, 51, of La Puente, Calif., pleaded guilty yesterday at U.S. District Court in Los Angeles to conspiracy to smuggle Chinese QW-2 anti-aircraft missiles into the United States. It was the first conviction under a 2004 anti-terrorism law aimed at preventing the spread of shoulder-fired and portable anti-aircraft missiles.

Wu and a second defendant who is awaiting trial, Yi Qing Chen, met an undercover FBI agent and sought to sell 200 QW-2s, as well as launcher and operational hardware for the missiles, according to court papers. A statement of facts read in court yesterday revealed that Wu had offered to provide enough missiles "for a regiment" of soldiers.

Wu told the undercover agent that the plan for getting the missiles out of China involved the help of a "corrupt customs broker" in China and falsified export papers, the statement said. The deal involved a "Gen. Wang" in China who was to supply the weapons.

China's military has been linked to past illicit arms deals, including the attempted sale of AK-47 assault rifles to Los Angeles street gangs.

Wu informed the agent that there were 24 containers of weapons for sale, including the missiles, and that the minimum purchase would be eight containers.

Documents provided to the agent included a proposal for the sale from the Xinshidai company, which makes the QW-2 and other missiles.

"The weapons proposed in this deal with the [agent] included 'QW-2 shoulder-fired missiles' with a 'ground energy unit,' 'firing unit,' and 'optical aiming device,' and the proposal forwarded by defendant to the [agent] called for the sale of 200 such missiles for a total price of $18,308,100," the statement said.

Last April, Wu told the agent that he had met with officials in China and that the daughter of the president of Cambodia would get a $2 million bribe for facilitating the arms deal. The two men sought to mask the missile deal by producing a forged letter saying the purchaser was the Defense Ministry of Paraguay.

At the hearing yesterday, Wu also pleaded guilty to conspiring to sell $2 million in counterfeit money to an undercover agent. Other guilty charges by Wu included an admission of distributing methamphetamine and Ecstasy, as well as millions of counterfeit-branded cigarettes.

The men were arrested last year in a federal sweep code-named Operation Smoking Dragon that netted 87 persons on charges of smuggling North Korean-made counterfeit $100 bills, illegal drugs and other contraband.
Yootopia
20-04-2006, 13:16
The US sold nerve gas to the Iraqis, and has given weapons to the Isrealis, amongst others. I don't think they have the right to pull anyone up about weapons.
Sdaeriji
20-04-2006, 13:18
The US sold nerve gas to the Iraqis, and has given weapons to the Isrealis, amongst others. I don't think they have the right to pull anyone up about weapons.

We can certainly go after our own citizens doing this.
Psychotic Mongooses
20-04-2006, 13:27
Meh. I'm more disturbed to hear about the executed prisoners being fast tracked for organ donation.

A little too close to some options on NS's daily govt choices!:eek:
Harlesburg
20-04-2006, 13:41
See why pick on Iran when you can sort these Bastards out?
Someone/thing that actually has a real threat to myself.
America do your duty, protect me!
Hamilay
20-04-2006, 14:01
Street gangs with AA missiles?... :eek:
CanuckHeaven
20-04-2006, 14:09
COMMENTARY: First they were smuggling AK-47s to LA street gangs, then it was drugs, now shoulder-fred anti-aircrft missles! What's next? Briefcase-sized thermonuclear weapons? China needs to get a grip! Or is it all about the money??
They probably got the idea from the US?

The CIA helped supply nearly 500 Stingers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIM-92_Stinger)(some sources claim 1500) to the mujahideen militants fighting Soviet forces in Afghanistan during the 1980s. The Stingers are said to have downed nearly 300 Russian aircraft, including many helicopter gunships, before Soviet troops withdrew from Afghanistan in 1989.
Harlesburg
20-04-2006, 14:26
Street gangs with AA missiles?... :eek:
More than that they are 5th Columnists trying to bring down Americas key industries-Gambling and Prostiution.
Waterkeep
20-04-2006, 15:49
..of his 2nd amendment rights!

It's right there in the constitution. He has a right to those weapons in order to stand up to a tyrannical government! After all, what keeps a government honest is the notion that its citizens can rise up against her and bring her down. An armed populace is a well-governed populace, and it only makes sense in this day and age that the populace have the arms required to fend off what an oppressive government might be able to bring to bear.

Let's just see the black helicopters try to circle this guys house! Ha! More power to him!
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
20-04-2006, 15:59
They probably got the idea from the US?
Something tells me that an armed resistence movement defending itself from a tyrannical foriegn power is on a different level than supplying street gangs with guns, but I can't quite finger the difference . . .
On the other hand, I'm not quite sure what a gang is supposed to do with AA missiles anyway. I can't really remember the last time a gang war was decided by having air superiority.
Disciples of the Word
20-04-2006, 16:00
"First they were smuggling AK-47s to LA street gangs, then it was drugs, now shoulder-fred anti-aircrft missles! What's next? Briefcase-sized thermonuclear weapons? China needs to get a grip! Or is it all about the money???"


You're actually surprised by this bit of news??

:confused:
Kyronea
20-04-2006, 16:05
..of his 2nd amendment rights!

It's right there in the constitution. He has a right to those weapons in order to stand up to a tyrannical government! After all, what keeps a government honest is the notion that its citizens can rise up against her and bring her down. An armed populace is a well-governed populace, and it only makes sense in this day and age that the populace have the arms required to fend off what an oppressive government might be able to bring to bear.

Let's just see the black helicopters try to circle this guys house! Ha! More power to him!
...uh, no. Missile launchers=/=legal arms for civilians. Unless you want to see turf wars between gangs turn into horridly huge damages to cities.
Neu Leonstein
21-04-2006, 00:20
...uh, no. Missile launchers=/=legal arms for civilians. Unless you want to see turf wars between gangs turn into horridly huge damages to cities.
If you seriously consider the 2nd amendment a tool for overthrowing a possible totalitarian coup, then handguns ain't gonna be enough.
Stahleland
21-04-2006, 00:33
If you seriously consider the 2nd amendment a tool for overthrowing a possible totalitarian coup, then handguns ain't gonna be enough.

Well, of course. But, for example, my family owns several rifles (collectively). A few of them are semi-auto and fire 5.56 mm (same ammo as an M-16) and have 30 round clips. The rest are higher caliber bolt action rifles (ranging from .270 to .45).

As you can see, the real gun owners in America don't screw around.

We rarely ever go hunting, but use them for target practice quite a bit.

To take out tanks, I'm sure we can resort to the 'ole molotov cocktail.
Jerusalas
21-04-2006, 00:35
Well, of course. But, for example, my family owns several rifles (collectively). A few of them are semi-auto and fire 5.56 mm (same ammo as an M-16) and have 30 round clips. The rest are higher caliber bolt action rifles (ranging from .270 to .45).

As you can see, the real gun owners in America don't screw around.

We rarely ever go hunting, but use them for target practice quite a bit.

To take out tanks, I'm sure we can resort to the 'ole molotov cocktail.

Thank God for the Finns, eh? :D
Nadkor
21-04-2006, 00:40
To take out tanks, I'm sure we can resort to the 'ole molotov cocktail.
A petrol bomb doesn't even take out an armoured Land Rover, let alone a tank.

Nonetheless, many people in NI have been trying for a long time....
Ravenshrike
21-04-2006, 02:39
Well, of course. But, for example, my family owns several rifles (collectively). A few of them are semi-auto and fire 5.56 mm (same ammo as an M-16) and have 30 round clips. The rest are higher caliber bolt action rifles (ranging from .270 to .45).

As you can see, the real gun owners in America don't screw around.

We rarely ever go hunting, but use them for target practice quite a bit.

To take out tanks, I'm sure we can resort to the 'ole molotov cocktail.
And bottles of ammonia, which can be distilled from urine. Gets through the air filters and flushes the inhabitants out.
Soviestan
21-04-2006, 02:48
I support this action. The US needs another nation to be a check in the world to it. The US has become drunk and evil with power
Hokan
21-04-2006, 03:09
I think we can all agree on one thing;
That would be the most kickass gang shoot-out ever
Gauthier
21-04-2006, 04:02
I think we can all agree on one thing;
That would be the most kickass gang shoot-out ever

I'm starting to think of that scene from Don't Be a Menace to South Central While Drinking Your Juice in The Hood where the gang gun show escalates from handguns to assault rifles all the way to a SCUD missile in the back of a rental truck.