NationStates Jolt Archive

We all started out from Africa, right? So that would mean we were all black in the beginning, so how come there are white people? Now, you could say stuff like evolution and genetic drift, but surely whole populations couldn't have become white all at once. Especially when you consider that there are some advantages to being black, like a protection from skin cancer, although I suppose that wouldn't matter much in Europe...

It's just a complex system which helps determine each human's relative funk on the funkonometric scales.

It allows the skin to absorb more sunlight and make more vitamin D in the less-sunny-compared-to-Africa area that is now Europe.

In the climates where the mutation for a lack of melanin occured, there wasn't much need for melanin in the first place. Mutations don't always have to be advantageous to stick around, that just makes it more likely.

Now, you could say stuff like evolution and genetic drift, but surely whole populations couldn't have become white all at once.

You forgot to factor in societal influences. Chances are, at some point way back in history, pale skin became somewhat more desireable in mates than darker skin. It might have led to an increase in breeding numbers somewhat. Perhaps ancient tribes back then being migratory and small as they were, helped ensure that genetic stock remained somewhat limited and the numbers small until the advent of agriculture which allowed for a population explosion (such as it was back then)

The actual fact of the matter? We don't know. We can only postulate.

actually, it's apparently a single point mutation. which means that it is probably just an example the founder effect, rather than selection (other than sexual).

You forgot to factor in societal influences. Chances are, at some point way back in history, pale skin became somewhat more desireable in mates than darker skin. It might have led to an increase in breeding numbers somewhat. Perhaps ancient tribes back then being migratory and small as they were, helped ensure that genetic stock remained somewhat limited and the numbers small until the advent of agriculture which allowed for a population explosion (such as it was back then)

The actual fact of the matter? We don't know. We can only postulate.

Thats actually how I heard that blonde hair spread.

and I'm glad it did. :p

We all started out from Africa, right? So that would mean we were all black in the beginning, so how come there are white people? Now, you could say stuff like evolution and genetic drift, but surely whole populations couldn't have become white all at once. Especially when you consider that there are some advantages to being black, like a protection from skin cancer, although I suppose that wouldn't matter much in Europe...

If I understand what I've read correctly, we did not start out black. We all started out some nondescript brownish color with brown eyes and hair. As we migrated, millions of years ago, those who moved to regions where they got less sunlight, evolved and became lighter so they could get as much of the benefit of sunlight as possible. Those who moved to regions where they got more sunlight evolved and became darker - of course, this is a simplistic view of a complex process, but it still remains, the human race didn't start out black, white or any other color except shades of brown and beige.

If I understand what I've read correctly, we did not start out black. We all started out some nondescript brownish color with brown eyes and hair. As we migrated, millions of years ago, those who moved to regions where they got less sunlight, evolved and became lighter so they could get as much of the benefit of sunlight as possible. Those who moved to regions where they got more sunlight evolved and became darker - of course, this is a simplistic view of a complex process, but it still remains, the human race didn't start out black, white or any other color except shades of brown and beige.

It would have been black or rather close to it by the time we moved out of Africa.

Actually no. If you shave chimpanzees, you will see their skin is light. Makes sense if you are covered in hair.

We probably started out lighter but as we lost our body hair that changed.

We our ancestors eliminated the Neanderthal and took over the area. The skin moved to be lighter.

One interesting thing is the gene that controls hair growth on our head. Why did it start? What was it's purpose? We may never know.

Actually there is strong selection pressure for being white in places like Europe. Many immigrants with dark skin and their immigrants are deficient in vitamin D both in Europe and North America. Modern diets make up for some of this, but pre-industrialization it would have been a real minus for survival. Thus people up north went pale. Red and blonde hair could be an extreme adaption to low sun exposure. You have to remember the colder it gets the more clothes people wear which cuts down on sun exposure even more so there is very strong selection pressure for both for pale skin and things like red heads and blondes who can absorb sunlight through the top of their heads.

When you look at a place like Japan where half the time its sunny the other half people wrap up and stay inside in winter they have adapted rapid tanning ability. One day in the sun can make a pale Japanese kid turn nutbrown. Then they go pale again in winter, ready to start the cycle over. Some Europeans have tanning ability, some don't tan at all.

If you live in the tropics but live in rainforest shade all the time you can also go pale like the pygmies and North Queensland aboriginals. (And yes, they are almost as short as pygmies, or were.)

Actually no. If you shave chimpanzees, you will see their skin is light. Makes sense if you are covered in hair.

We probably started out lighter but as we lost our body hair that changed.

We our ancestors eliminated the Neanderthal and took over the area. The skin moved to be lighter.

One interesting thing is the gene that controls hair growth on our head. Why did it start? What was it's purpose? We may never know.

Well, it changed to dark, then we moved out of Africa, then it got light again.

We all started out from Africa, right? So that would mean we were all black in the beginning, so how come there are white people? Now, you could say stuff like evolution and genetic drift, but surely whole populations couldn't have become white all at once. Especially when you consider that there are some advantages to being black, like a protection from skin cancer, although I suppose that wouldn't matter much in Europe...
Melanin reduces absorption of sunlight. In Northern latitudes, people with too much mealanin in their skin were unable to absorb sufficient quantities of sunlight to produce the necessary levels of Vitamin D. So those with less melanin began to have higher rates of reproduction, resulting in ... ta da! ...
"white" people! :)

One interesting thing is the gene that controls hair growth on our head. Why did it start? What was it's purpose? We may never know.

That's pretty clear. African hair is often super curly and always dark. This is an adaptation to heat. The top of the head is going to get the most heat from the sun. The dark colour absorbs sunlight before it hits your scalp. The kinky hair traps air which acts like an insulator keeping the heat from the sun from getting to your head. It is possible kinky hair also serves as protection from impact.

Out of Africa and up north this wasn't so important and so hair could straighten out perhaps to make it easier to remove parasites, could go paler to help the skin get absorb sunlight etc.

Taken from Wikipedia...

According to the Nation of Islam (NOI), Yakub (also spelled Yacub), was an evil scientist responsible for creating the white race — a "race of devils", in their view. Yakub created white people by a process of grafting from the original Black population of the world. It took 600 years for Yakub and his successors to fully whiten his creations. This was achieved under a despotic regime on the island of Patmos. The reasons for Yakub's actions are unclear. His progeny are destined to rule for 6,000 years before the original Black peoples of the world regain dominance, a process that began in 1914.

The doctrine of Yakub was first proclaimed by Wallace Fard Muhammad and was later developed by his successor Elijah Muhammad.

Because God wanted the White Man to be able to blend in with the snow when stark naked. Or was it only me He wanted to be able to go snow-camo...?

If you live in the tropics but live in rainforest shade all the time you can also go pale like the pygmies

?

http://www.pygmies.info/baka/images/baka-pygmy-boy-01.jpg

I dunno...there just are. But they sure screwed up the world...

We all started out from Africa, right? So that would mean we were all black in the beginning, so how come there are white people? Now, you could say stuff like evolution and genetic drift, but surely whole populations couldn't have become white all at once. Especially when you consider that there are some advantages to being black, like a protection from skin cancer, although I suppose that wouldn't matter much in Europe...

If you have been reading some latest researches on this like Stephen Oppenheimer's "The Real Eve" etc, you would understand that south Asia has the largest genetic diversity of all groups other than Africans and the author asserts that the early migrators out of Africa were beach combers and took the southern sea route (instead of the northern route via Levant) to south Asia and from there they spread to other parts - SE Asia, NE Asia, Central Asia and to Europe.

In a crude way, you can say that black turned to brown in South Asia and brown turned to White in Europe and Yellow in NE Asia...

So it's not like black became white all at once...

I dunno...there just are. But they sure screwed up the world...
Bigot.

http://www.pygmies.info/baka/images/...gmy-boy-01.jpg

I don't think he lives in a rainforest.

But, traditionally paler than the bantu surrounding them. Not pale compared to Dutch people.

Bigot.

United O-Zone's trolling has been pretty well documented in another thread, I wouldn't feed him too much.

United O-Zone's trolling has been pretty well documented in another thread, I wouldn't feed him too much.

What if we were, somehow, able to poison the feed?

It took 600 years for Yakub and his successors to fully whiten his creations.
600 years!? Pussies. Michael Jackson did it in about two decades.

What if we were, somehow, able to poison the feed?

I'm no expert, but I'm told Trolls are must susceptible to fire and acid.

600 years!? Pussies. Michael Jackson did it in about two decades.

Well, remember that Michael Jackson is well funded and has years of precedent in biochemistry and its related disciplines.

Yakub was kicked out of every undergraduate program in the world at that time, mainly because he refused to attend thesis progress reviews.

Finally, he was accepted to the graduate school in the mythological fabrication department at Patmos University, and their program has never been regarded as very reputable or existent.

I'm no expert, but I'm told Trolls are must susceptible to fire and acid.

So all we need is a flamethrower and some LSD....

United O-Zone's trolling has been pretty well documented in another thread, I wouldn't feed him too much.
ty

So all we need is a flamethrower and some LSD....
Or some exceptionally pointy things! :D

ty

I believe your statement to be true, commensurate with the sincerity of his statement.

Taken from Wikipedia...

According to the Nation of Islam (NOI), Yakub (also spelled Yacub), was an evil scientist responsible for creating the white race — a "race of devils", in their view. Yakub created white people by a process of grafting from the original Black population of the world. It took 600 years for Yakub and his successors to fully whiten his creations. This was achieved under a despotic regime on the island of Patmos. The reasons for Yakub's actions are unclear. His progeny are destined to rule for 6,000 years before the original Black peoples of the world regain dominance, a process that began in 1914.

The doctrine of Yakub was first proclaimed by Wallace Fard Muhammad and was later developed by his successor Elijah Muhammad.

Thanks a lot for that bit of swill.... I mean information. :rolleyes:

simple. you cant have chocolate without milk.

simple. you cant have chocolate without milk.

Actually, you can...It'd be like..cocoa though...and really bitter.

Thanks a lot for that bit of swill.... I mean information. :rolleyes:

It was required reading. Thanks, American education system! :upyours:

Thanks a lot for that bit of swill.... I mean information. :rolleyes:

Are you implying that Elijah Muhammed's other teachings may be less than credible, like his explanation of the Old Testament's Elijah's "Wheel in the Sky" as foretelling an orbital weapons platform?

Your reasonable skepticism appalls me.

We all started out from Africa, right? So that would mean we were all black in the beginning, so how come there are white people? Now, you could say stuff like evolution and genetic drift, but surely whole populations couldn't have become white all at once. Especially when you consider that there are some advantages to being black, like a protection from skin cancer, although I suppose that wouldn't matter much in Europe...
Light skin is better at absorbing vitamin D which is necessary for fetal and bone development. At higher latitudes, there is less sunlight and so the people with darker skin don't absorb vitamin D as well and have less healthy offspring than those with lighter skin. Continue this for many generations over a couple thousand years and you end up with white people.

It was required reading. Thanks, American education system! :upyours:

The day my local school system forces children to submit to racist propaganda like that is the day I will finally give up on the public school system and home school them.

It was required reading. Thanks, American education system! :upyours:

May I ask what State has a district that requires that?

I've taught in a dozen schools, but in a narrow ranger of districts, so I don't know where they do that.

Personaly I think it sounds like somethin gthat might be included in a history class when adressing the civil rights movements of the 60's as a way of gaining insight into the organisation. I must say if thats the case I'm impressed...that they managed to get up to the 60's, I don't think I ever had an American history class before college that ever got that far, damn things would always start with the first hunter/ gatherers arriving in the Americas and thus would never get up to covering anything with the last 50 years:rolleyes: After all who needs to know about things that actualy impact current events.:headbang:

Well, it changed to dark, then we moved out of Africa, then it got light again.

Wasn't suggesting it never did.

May I ask what State has a district that requires that?

I've taught in a dozen schools, but in a narrow ranger of districts, so I don't know where they do that.

It was a section in an autobiography of Malcolm X.

Personaly I think it sounds like somethin gthat might be included in a history class when adressing the civil rights movements of the 60's as a way of gaining insight into the organisation. I must say if thats the case I'm impressed...that they managed to get up to the 60's, I don't think I ever had an American history class before college that ever got that far, damn things would always start with the first hunter/ gatherers arriving in the Americas and thus would never get up to covering anything with the last 50 years:rolleyes: After all who needs to know about things that actualy impact current events.:headbang:

I hope, though, that the Yakub theory wasn't rendered as representative of the civil rights movement as a whole.

I believe most civil rights activists were a great deal more lucid and reasonable than "whites were made by the bighead scientist".

EDIT: sorry, should read "wasN'T rendered"

That's pretty clear. African hair is often super curly and always dark. This is an adaptation to heat. The top of the head is going to get the most heat from the sun. The dark colour absorbs sunlight before it hits your scalp. The kinky hair traps air which acts like an insulator keeping the heat from the sun from getting to your head. It is possible kinky hair also serves as protection from impact.

Out of Africa and up north this wasn't so important and so hair could straighten out perhaps to make it easier to remove parasites, could go paler to help the skin get absorb sunlight etc.

That is so. But why the continuous growing? What was the evolutional reason for that to start? What was the purpose on why it became predominant.....

Actually all apes have white skin. As humans began to lose fur, black skin was developed to protect against the sun. When that protection was no longer needed, the skin reverted to the white of the apes.

That is so. But why the continuous growing? What was the evolutional reason for that to start? What was the purpose on why it became predominant.....
One theory is long hair became a social asset. Mates with long hair were chosen for the same reasons birds developed mating displays. Possibly long hair indicated a good diet, therefore a good provider.

Actually all apes have white skin. As humans began to lose fur, black skin was developed to protect against the sun. When that protection was no longer needed, the skin reverted to the white of the apes.

Actually I don't think so. I belive Gorillas have dark skin but I am not sure and I have never seen one shaved.

Orang's have kind of a brownish skin.

I mentioned Chimps since we are closer to them....

A related question might be, why didn't Australian natives and Northern and extreme Southern Native Americans revert to white skin?

Thats actually how I heard that blonde hair spread.

and I'm glad it did. :p

Pshaw.

Brunettes have all the fun. :p

That is so. But why the continuous growing? What was the evolutional reason for that to start? What was the purpose on why it became predominant.....

Good questions. Although hair gets to a certain length and stops, it can stiff be quite long. Because women's hair is longer and stronger and then mens and newborn babies have grip reflexes so powerful you can suspend them from clotheslines, it is possible that long straight hair was for children to cling onto. Having babies hanging from your hair seems inelegant, but I suppose it's possible.

Hell, I just a very good idea about the evolution of hair! But I'm not going to tell you, I'm going to work on it myself for a bit. See if it is crazy or not.

*Starts thinking about how to spend nobel prize money.*

Actually I don't think so. I belive Gorillas have dark skin but I am not sure and I have never seen one shaved.

Orang's have kind of a brownish skin.

I mentioned Chimps since we are closer to them....
From Wikipedia but there are other sources.


The evolution of the different skin colors is thought to have occurred as follows: the haired ancestors of humans, like modern great apes, had light skin under their hair. Once the hair was lost, they evolved dark skin, needed to prevent low folate levels since they lived in sun-rich Africa. (The skin cancer connection is probably of secondary importance, since skin cancer usually kills only after the reproductive age and therefore doesn't exert much evolutionary pressure.) When humans migrated to sun-poorer regions in the north, low vitamin D3 levels became a problem and light skin color evolved.

A related question might be, why didn't Australian natives and Northern and extreme Southern Native Americans revert to white skin?

Actually I just heard a guy talking about that on the radio. He has a book coming out.

Of course I blanked on the reason....

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594200793/sr=8-1/qid=1145510458/ref=sr_1_1/002-6848879-2759207?%5Fencoding=UTF8

From Wikipedia but there are other sources.

The evolution of the different skin colors is thought to have occurred as follows: the haired ancestors of humans, like modern great apes, had light skin under their hair. Once the hair was lost, they evolved dark skin, needed to prevent low folate levels since they lived in sun-rich Africa. (The skin cancer connection is probably of secondary importance, since skin cancer usually kills only after the reproductive age and therefore doesn't exert much evolutionary pressure.) When humans migrated to sun-poorer regions in the north, low vitamin D3 levels became a problem and light skin color evolved.

Hmpf? Like I said I wasn't sure on Gorillas.

However, my wife took care of Orangs and she said the ones she saw born had kind of a brownish look. If they are light then it probably changed as they got older.....

A related question might be, why didn't Australian natives and Northern and extreme Southern Native Americans revert to white skin?

Original Australians are generally tanners. That is they can go lighter in winter, darker in summer. Lighter with indoor jobs, darker with outside work. Since Australia is a very sunny place, except perhaps for the rainforests, Australians didn't get too light, but rainforest dwellers did get pretty light.

Perhaps the Americas haven't had enough time to develop white skin, or perhaps North America is sunnier than Europe? Western Europe is often overcast. I dunno.

An intersting fact about Australian aboriginies is that of all the people in the world they have the most resistance to low tempretures. Better than Europeans and better than inuit (eskimos). Now that's intersting.

We all started out from Africa, right? So that would mean we were all black in the beginning, so how come there are white people? Now, you could say stuff like evolution and genetic drift, but surely whole populations couldn't have become white all at once. Especially when you consider that there are some advantages to being black, like a protection from skin cancer, although I suppose that wouldn't matter much in Europe...
Why are there yellow people? Why do white people have blue, brown, green eyes? Why do whites have blonde, brown, red hairs and the others don't? Why do blacks have big lips and flat noses?

Questions upon questions.

And somehow I doubt they were very black back then. Furry. With gray skin underneath like with dogs or other furred animals seems more likely.

Actually I just heard a guy talking about that on the radio. He has a book coming out.

Of course I blanked on the reason....

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594200793/sr=8-1/qid=1145510458/ref=sr_1_1/002-6848879-2759207?%5Fencoding=UTF8
I just heard the same thing. Was it NPR or somewhere else?

A related question might be, why didn't Australian natives and Northern and extreme Southern Native Americans revert to white skin?

none of the point mutations that make for light skin ever came up (or became fixed if they did)

I just heard the same thing. Was it NPR or somewhere else?

Yea it was NPR :)

Actually if you think of all the people in the top 50 degrees north and the bottom 50 degrees south, nearly all are at least brown. So the vitamin D arguement seems weak. It would seem more likely that someone had a DNA change and the women liked it so he got to breed in Europe. That same change just didn't take place anywhere else. Or if it did, the women were turned off by it.

Why are there yellow people? Why do white people have blue, brown, green eyes?

Questions upon questions.

Blue brown and green eyes are so people can photosynthesize inside their eyeballs. Okay, maybe I made that up. Perhaps in sunny places the darker eye colour protects against cateracts? The dark pigment absorbs the UV rays before it damages the iris.

Why do whites have blonde, brown, red hairs and the others don't?

To let some sunlight through to make vitamin D. You gotta remember Europeans wore clothes so the head is one of the few places to make vitamin D and going bald might mean you freeze to death.

Why do blacks have big lips and flat noses?

The answer to that is why not? Why do most Europeans have small lips and pointy noses? Both sorts seem to work just as well. Of course it is possible they are adaptions to different environments. For example original Australians have bigger teeth than Europeans and Asians who generally gave up a hunter gatherer diet thousands of years ago.

Actually if you think of all the people in the top 50 degrees north and the bottom 50 degrees south, nearly all are at least brown. So the vitamin D arguement seems weak. It would seem more likely that someone had a DNA change and the women liked it so he got to breed in Europe. That same change just didn't take place anywhere else. Or if it did, the women were turned off by it.

True it may be flashier, but Vitamin D would be the big thing. We just have better diets now where it's not such an issue.

http://www.sizesurvey.com/fig5.gif

Perhaps?

http://www.sizesurvey.com/fig5.gif

I would like to see them control for height in that survey.

No, actually I wouldn't like to see that. Strike that mental image.

http://ww.sizesurvey.com/fig5.gif

Perhaps?

The y-axis says mm but the bars are labeled with " (inches).

I would like to see them control for height in that survey.

No, actually I wouldn't like to see that. Strike that mental image.

Yes you do.

You're just afraid of your manhood being challenged by appearing to exhibit behaviors commonly attributed to homosexuals. :p

You're just afraid of your manhood being challenged by appearing to exhibit behaviors commonly attributed to homosexuals.

I don't even have a manhood. I'm just a brain in a tank. (Do you like my treads?) I'm typing this with my eyeballs. Boy, my optic nerves are getting stiff.

Actually if you think of all the people in the top 50 degrees north and the bottom 50 degrees south, nearly all are at least brown. So the vitamin D arguement seems weak.

exactly. where are all the bantu-dark native americans? the scandanavian-light mongolians and greenlanders?

I'm no expert, but I'm told Trolls are must susceptible to fire and acid.

And milk, of course I base that on the movie "Ernest Scared Stupid".

If we are going to be quoting the Nation of Islam, lets just throw in this bit of Christianity.... course, just in jest.

Genesis 1 - KJV
"3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness."

exactly. where are all the bantu-dark native americans? the scandanavian-light mongolians and greenlanders?

Not enough time. North America was settled 12,000 years ago. (Those who settled before this didn't leave much genetic material.) And when you look at the really sunny bits of the Americas, South America is forested to a large extent, much of central america was forested, and sunny deserts can't support large populations. Any populations with strong pressure towards darker skin would probably have been small and surround by people who didn't need darker skin and even small amounts of genetic material flying about the place would have prevented them from getting much darker.

Language analysis helps us understand where the mongols came from. The Han Chinese developed a system of agriculture and government that proved very successful and spread over a huge area very recently in evolutionary terms and their own particular brand of local features became kind of standard over a huge area as Han Chinese settelers displaced and interbred with neighboring populations. But mongolians are pretty pale.

I think some people are mislead about the real paleness of "white" people. Go look at George Bush standing next to Koizumi of Japan. Who is "whiter" in the colour sense? Or compare George Bush and Colin Powel and tell me who is "whiter" in skin colour.

Taken from Wikipedia...

According to the Nation of Islam (NOI), Yakub (also spelled Yacub), was an evil scientist responsible for creating the white race — a "race of devils", in their view. Yakub created white people by a process of grafting from the original Black population of the world. It took 600 years for Yakub and his successors to fully whiten his creations. This was achieved under a despotic regime on the island of Patmos. The reasons for Yakub's actions are unclear. His progeny are destined to rule for 6,000 years before the original Black peoples of the world regain dominance, a process that began in 1914.

The doctrine of Yakub was first proclaimed by Wallace Fard Muhammad and was later developed by his successor Elijah Muhammad.

I don't usually mock other's religious beliefs, but sometimes people ask for it. An elephant with 1,000 arms or a deer with a gigantic penis makes some sense, but this... this is like Zemu loading crates of dead oyster souls onto Douglas DC-8s. LOL.

Especially when you consider that there are some advantages to being black, like a protection from skin cancer, although I suppose that wouldn't matter much in Europe...
You mean there are no advantages to being white o_0
(I know what you meant)


White skin is a camouflage! It's hard for a black person to hide from hungry polarbears.

I don't even have a manhood. I'm just a brain in a tank. (Do you like my treads?) I'm typing this with my eyeballs. Boy, my optic nerves are getting stiff.

Ouch.

Do you ever have nightmares? You know. From before? Maybe, like, some Castration Anxiety or something? ;)

Why do blacks have big lips and flat noses?
Because that is basically what we startedout with. It is the white people with their skinny lips and pointer noses that has the change. Why white people have them is, in both cases, due to the cold. Lips get dry and chap in the cold. When the lip-skin does dry out and chap. Thinner lips would be less exposed to the cold and chap less. Once the skin is chapped,it has to be replaced. This would cause a light increase in motabalism, but probably nothing significant. However, if one were to cut their lip open, it would take longer to heal as the tissue covering the wound would dryout and flack out. As we know, open sores get infected.

Now, our pointed noses. Long ago europeaners had big honking noses. Big noses would heat the air we breath before it gets into our body (this was good for a few reasons). As both the climate got warmer, and technology allowed us tobe warmer, huge noses became uneeded. The noses thinned out to become more effecient,but remained pointed probably because it was what looked good to people.

Do you ever have nightmares? You know. From before? Maybe, like, some Castration Anxiety or something?

Tell me about it. I dream that I'm jogging and then when I wake up I'm spinning around in a whirlpool in my tank. I'm so glad I can't vomit when that happens.

I wanna know what KP thinks of this thread.

I found that chapped lip stuff very intersting. I have chapped lips. (They're in a jar on the bench.)

The y-axis says mm but the bars are labeled with " (inches).
legnth & width?

*shrugs*

Why are there Yellow people?

Why are there Yellow people?

Jaundice.

Is this seriously a thread? Really??

Is this seriously a thread? Really??

Welcome to Nationstates, Qahua.

Is this seriously a thread? Really??

It's all shadows of puppets in caves, anyway. :p

Welcome to Nationstates, Qahua.
http://forums.rebelalliance.ws/images/smiles/dancing_pickle.gif

I dunno...there just are. But they sure screwed up the world...

WE screwed up the world. all people did that notmatter what there colour was the whites just get the most blaim because where to scared at being called 'Racist' when we defend ourselves.

Is this seriously a thread? Really??
I hate it when they get scared away after one post.:(

I hate it when they get scared away after one post.

I should have pretended my lips were attached to my body until she got to know me better.

I should have pretended my lips were attached to my body until she got to know me better.
Now i am scared that you knew their sex..

Now i am scared that you knew their sex..

I am always on the lookout for female companionship. My lips can be attached to the outside of my tank for when things get hot and heavy.

I am always on the lookout for female companionship. My lips can be attached to the outside of my tank for when things get hot and heavy.
Is this a Water Tank or a a Battle Tank?

Is this a Water Tank or a a Battle Tank?

Currently I'm suspended in a transparent nutrient tank that is mounted upon a set of tank treads. It just seemed the right thing to do. I don't know if being a brain in a tank on a tank is affecting my psyche, but I have noticed recently that when I watch Doctor Who I've been hoping that the Daleks win.

Currently I'm suspended in a transparent nutrient tank that is mounted upon a set of tank treads. It just seemed the right thing to do. I don't know if being a brain in a tank on a tank is affecting my psyche, but I have noticed recently that when I watch Doctor Who I've been hoping that the Daleks win.
The Christopher Eccleston Series?

The Christopher Eccleston Series?

And the classic stuff. There's just something about that seems to attract me now for some reason.

It's funny you know, but when we were kids we'd watch Doctor Who and then we'd run around outside yelling, "Exterminate! Exterminate!" Then when I was older kids would watch the Borg in Star Trek the Next Generation and run around yelling, "Assimilate! Assimilate!" I wonder how long it will be before kids run around yelling, "Tolerate! Tolerate!"

Anyway, I have to go to sleep now. Maybe later I'll start a thread about what it's like to be a brain in a tank. (And if anyone puts any more cutesy aquarium decorations in my tank while I'm sleeping, I'm telling you there's going to be some trouble.)

And the classic stuff. There's just something about that seems to attract me now for some reason.

It's funny you know, but when we were kids we'd watch Doctor Who and then we'd run around outside yelling, "Exterminate! Exterminate!" Then when I was older kids would watch the Borg in Star Trek the Next Generation and run around yelling, "Assimilate! Assimilate!" I wonder how long it will be before kids run around yelling, "Tolerate! Tolerate!"

Anyway, I have to go to sleep now. Maybe later I'll start a thread about what it's like to be a brain in a tank. (And if anyone puts any more cutesy aquarium decorations in my tank while I'm sleeping, I'm telling you there's going to be some trouble.)
Did you run around with broomsticks?
Those were the days...

I'll keep my eyes out for it.

Not enough time.

and the european population became white when, exactly?

According to tradition----Noah had three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japeth. Shem was the father of the Semites (Middle Easterners), Ham was the father of the Africans, and Japeth was the father of the white Europeans. Unfortunately they didn't know about the Asians or Americans. Maybe Noah actually had 5 sons. Shem, Ham, Japeth, Lee, and Running Eagle.

According to tradition----Noah had three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japeth. Shem was the father of the Semites (Middle Easterners), Ham was the father of the Africans, and Japeth was the father of the white Europeans. Unfortunately they didn't know about the Asians or Americans. Maybe Noah actually had 5 sons. Shem, Ham, Japeth, Lee, and Running Eagle.

Native Americans are probably of Asian ancestry, having crossed over the natural land bridge during the ice age.

We all started out from Africa, right? So that would mean we were all black in the beginning, so how come there are white people? Now, you could say stuff like evolution and genetic drift, but surely whole populations couldn't have become white all at once. Especially when you consider that there are some advantages to being black, like a protection from skin cancer, although I suppose that wouldn't matter much in Europe...
Somebody had to take charge and run things.


Seriously though, white skin allows more sunlight to enter and produce vitamin D. Vitamin D is important for reproduction. Northern latitudes are less sunny, so white skin was a big evolutionary advantage.

The question should not be, Why are there White People?

The question should be, "Why are there not purple people? Or neon pink? Or sky blue?"

I'm pretty satisfied with my current color.
As well as the star on my belly.

The question should not be, Why are there White People?

The question should be, "Why are there not purple people? Or neon pink? Or sky blue?"

There are, just go to any american football game, you'll see lots of 'em!

Jaundice.
What?

What?

Jaundice makes people go yellow. Or at least it does if they are pale enough for it to show. It's a malfuction of the liver. For non pale people you have to look at the whites of the eyes to see it. (I guess for jaundice suffers that would be the yellows of the eyes.)

We all started out from Africa, right? So that would mean we were all black in the beginning, so how come there are white people? Now, you could say stuff like evolution and genetic drift, but surely whole populations couldn't have become white all at once. Especially when you consider that there are some advantages to being black, like a protection from skin cancer, although I suppose that wouldn't matter much in Europe...

You just answered your own question. Exposure to the sun causes production in melanin. It takes about a thousand years for skin color to darken or lighten based on climate. The folks who immigrated to Europe lost the all-over melanin and their ability to produce it is significantly lower than a darker-skinned person. It is not a mark of cain or ham or whatever retarded nonsense the Klan spouts these days. It's just science.

This also means that all those South Afrikkanners are going to be black in a thousand years, every darker skinned person in Europe should be turning pale right quick and racism as we know it will end. Though I'm sure we'll find some other reason to kill each other. Not making sense never stopped us before:rolleyes:

You just answered your own question. Exposure to the sun causes production in melanin. It takes about a thousand years for skin color to darken or lighten based on climate.
Then why are the People of the far North. (Eskimos, Inuit, etc.) Lighter? last I heard the Native Americans had been here at least 12,000 years and probably 40,000 years.

We all started out from Africa, right? So that would mean we were all black in the beginning, so how come there are white people? Now, you could say stuff like evolution and genetic drift, but surely whole populations couldn't have become white all at once. Especially when you consider that there are some advantages to being black, like a protection from skin cancer, although I suppose that wouldn't matter much in Europe...
So much melanin was not needed by people living in Europe, especially considering that Europe in those days was somewhat colder than it is now. End of story.

Then why are the People of the far North. (Eskimos, Inuit, etc.) Lighter? last I heard the Native Americans had been here at least 12,000 years and probably 40,000 years.

exactly, the time scales just don't line up. especially considering that europe was depopulated as everyone fled south for 10,000 years during the last glacial maximum, only moving back up in the last 12,000 years or so (the same as the old late estimates on paleoindian migration to america). well after those brownish siberians got up north.

Iv often wondered about white people myself. dark skin is an obviously evolved trait to deal with the sunlight. what the hell is white skin for? Someone mentioned it could be a reproductive thing, pale skin becoming more popular for some reason. I cam understand that, white chicks are the fittest. apart from that damn Thandie Newton. White chaps too. except Denzel. everyone loves Denzel.

Iv often wondered about white people myself. dark skin is an obviously evolved trait to deal with the sunlight. what the hell is white skin for? Someone mentioned it could be a reproductive thing, pale skin becoming more popular for some reason. I cam understand that, white chicks are the fittest. apart from that damn Thandie Newton. White chaps too. except Denzel. everyone loves Denzel.

Again, more effective vitamin D production.

Iv often wondered about white people myself. dark skin is an obviously evolved trait to deal with the sunlight. what the hell is white skin for? Someone mentioned it could be a reproductive thing, pale skin becoming more popular for some reason. I cam understand that, white chicks are the fittest. apart from that damn Thandie Newton. White chaps too. except Denzel. everyone loves Denzel.
I was actually reading an article on this subject, and it mentioned something about white skin being more attractive. I didn't want to mention this however, because I thought I would be called racist. Hey, white girls, brown girls, black girls, it's all good, yknow?

Oh, and yellow girls too I guess.

We all started out from Africa, right? So that would mean we were all black in the beginning, so how come there are white people? Now, you could say stuff like evolution and genetic drift, but surely whole populations couldn't have become white all at once. Especially when you consider that there are some advantages to being black, like a protection from skin cancer, although I suppose that wouldn't matter much in Europe...
:mp5:

Evolution. People migrate, some die before being able to reproduce cause they can't stand the cold or the smog ;) and some people's kids have mutations and some people choose partners that are likely to survive and eventually we end up with all these crazy races. Now that we don't need them, we're starting to evolve back. Did you know that studies have shown that people consider people who are mixed-race to be more beautiful than their one-raced parents?

Let me put it this way: you have a picture of a white person, an asian person, and a person who is half white and half asian. People picked out the mixed one in this triad as the most beautiful, and that goes for all kinds of mixes. That means we're slowly becoming a more mixed society, and I think that is great.

I also find Mariah Carey beautiful ;-)

:mp5:
If you don't like this thread, then why post on it? Especially if you have nothing more imaginative to say than :mp5:

retard.

Evolution. People migrate, some die before being able to reproduce cause they can't stand the cold or the smog and some people's kids have mutations and some people choose partners that are likely to survive and eventually we end up with all these crazy races. Now that we don't need them, we're starting to evolve back. Did you know that studies have shown that people consider people who are mixed-race to be more beautiful than their one-raced parents?

Let me put it this way: you have a picture of a white person, an asian person, and a person who is half white and half asian. People picked out the mixed one in this triad as the most beautiful, and that goes for all kinds of mixes. That means we're slowly becoming a more mixed society, and I think that is great.
1. OK.

2. OK. I think I know what you mean. And I somewhat agree.

1. OK.

2. OK. I think I know what you mean. And I somewhat agree.

I know I do. Mixed people are hot! Although to create a mixed society, shouldn't we be attracted to people who are "all" one race? Apparently not...after mixed people, we tend to be attracted to those of our own race. Beats me!

I know I do. Mixed people are hot! Although to create a mixed society, shouldn't we be attracted to people who are "all" one race? Apparently not...after mixed people, we tend to be attracted to those of our own race. Beats me!

*shrug* Not me...Anything but my own race, for that matter.

Again, more effective vitamin D production.

that's just a side effect with weak selective pressure, at best.

*shrug* Not me...Anything but my own race, for that matter.

I didn't mean everybody is like that. Just "most" people, on average. I find it really fun when somebody is really into a type, like a white guy only liking Japanese girls or a latino girl only dating black guys. I always wonder what exactly it was that began that preference? But I think it's great...the more mixed-up we all get, the better things will be.

that's just a side effect with weak selective pressure, at best.

It's hard to hunt mammoths when you got rickets. And many bands of people may not have been able to obtain much vitamin D in their diets. Also, as people moved north they went from perhaps no clothes to clothes all over their bodies which would have dramatically cut the ability to synthesize vitamin D, putting strong pressure on developing skin that was very good at it.

Someone asked why Inuit (eskimos) weren't white. Well for one thing they are often pretty pale. Compare your average inuit to a "white man" such as George Bush and see who is actually paler. And secondly, in the summer the bits of skin that are exposed on an inuit can get a lot of UV radiation for two reasons. One, UV can be reflected off snow and ice; and two, at the hight of summer the bloody sun never goes bloody down. So maybe we shouldn't expect inuit to be extremely pale.

Actually no. If you shave chimpanzees, you will see their skin is light. Makes sense if you are covered in hair.

That's not always true: see http://www.evolutionhappens.net/chimpanzee.jpg

Native Americans are probably of Asian ancestry, having crossed over the natural land bridge during the ice age.

Much evidence exist to suggest a rather more complex scenario.

Much evidence exist to suggest a rather more complex scenario.

Especially with some theories that some Eastern Native Americans are European in origin, after discovering genetic similarities with Irish and Basque peoples in Europe.

well to get super scientific on your ass - white people are mutants

well to get super scientific on your ass - white people are mutants

I prefer the term, evolved. :)

I prefer the term, evolved. :)


So did the X-men but we all knew the truth

It's hard to hunt mammoths when you got rickets. And many bands of people may not have been able to obtain much vitamin D in their diets. Also, as people moved north they went from perhaps no clothes to clothes all over their bodies which would have dramatically cut the ability to synthesize vitamin D, putting strong pressure on developing skin that was very good at it.

Someone asked why Inuit (eskimos) weren't white. Well for one thing they are often pretty pale. Compare your average inuit to a "white man" such as George Bush and see who is actually paler. And secondly, in the summer the bits of skin that are exposed on an inuit can get a lot of UV radiation for two reasons. One, UV can be reflected off snow and ice; and two, at the hight of summer the bloody sun never goes bloody down. So maybe we shouldn't expect inuit to be extremely pale.

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/9796/nativesiberian6nw.jpg http://athletics.csusb.edu/images/players-bios/mensoccer/mensoccer-enevoldsen.jpg

one of these people's ancestors spent 10,000 of the last 25,000 years in spain at 40 degrees north. the other's lived a bit further north for all of the last 35,000.
european-style light skin tone is totally the founder effect and sexual selection.

So did the X-men but we all knew the truth

Second form of humanity....that has absolutely no real-life basis....FAKE. You can't take it seriously.

If you look at the evolution of mankind from Africa though...you start to notice its evolution. Mankind is still evolving. Now not to be racist....but genetically Africans have stronger bodies that are stronger and more powerful naturally, they also have added protection against the sun and its effects, and their brain is a little different. Physically and mental differences are clear.

Now you have white people. Not exactly strong as can be physically, and our skin is easier to burn from the sun. However our size is different, smaller and our brains are a little different in structure. We live in less extreme conditions and our bodies show that leisure with evolution to our life-styles and ease by reworking us to a lighter skin tone and smaller stature.

Then you look at asians, most notably is the diet, the lack of minerals and variety that the other races get is seen in the skin and by face. Asians are shorter and generally leaner. The diet of most asian cultures is rice and fish with some meats, not like Whites with all kinds. As a result their brains are also different and the body size is smaller still. Life has been civilized for a long time and have generally had the least trouble of all since entering the region.

Evolution by mutation and natural selection is the result of our body differences between the races. Though I won't exactly go into chemical advantages and how white people have the bad side of the stick as our bodies have kept the nasty sweat glands which shows how our body reacts to heat best. Our bodies go into overdrive and we sweat ALOT more then other races typically are said to. Asians are exactly known to wear deodorant and other products in China that we are so well known for in America...

Second form of humanity....that has absolutely no real-life basis....FAKE. You can't take it seriously.

If you look at the evolution of mankind from Africa though...you start to notice its evolution. Mankind is still evolving. Now not to be racist....but genetically Africans have stronger bodies that are stronger and more powerful naturally, they also have added protection against the sun and its effects, and their brain is a little different. Physically and mental differences are clear.

Now you have white people. Not exactly strong as can be physically, and our skin is easier to burn from the sun. However our size is different, smaller and our brains are a little different in structure. We live in less extreme conditions and our bodies show that leisure with evolution to our life-styles and ease by reworking us to a lighter skin tone and smaller stature.

Then you look at asians, most notably is the diet, the lack of minerals and variety that the other races get is seen in the skin and by face. Asians are shorter and generally leaner. The diet of most asian cultures is rice and fish with some meats, not like Whites with all kinds. As a result their brains are also different and the body size is smaller still. Life has been civilized for a long time and have generally had the least trouble of all since entering the region.

Evolution by mutation and natural selection is the result of our body differences between the races. Though I won't exactly go into chemical advantages and how white people have the bad side of the stick as our bodies have kept the nasty sweat glands which shows how our body reacts to heat best. Our bodies go into overdrive and we sweat ALOT more then other races typically are said to. Asians are exactly known to wear deodorant and other products in China that we are so well known for in America...

Yes, I was being so serious :rolleyes:

as you admit yourself we are mutants and devolved! :p

Now not to be racist....but genetically Africans have stronger bodies that are stronger and more powerful naturally, they also have added protection against the sun and its effects, and their brain is a little different. Physically and mental differences are clear.

which africans are you talking about exactly? most of our genetic diversity is to be found between and within groups on that continent, after all.

european-style light skin tone is totally the founder effect and sexual selection.

You might be completely right there, but I'd want to control for environmental differences. There are plenty of "white" people in Australia who are just as dark as the attractive lady in your picture. I guess because of our language we have a lot of preconcieved notions about white people, black people, etc. Their often isn't as much difference in colour of skin between races as people think. Poke a hole in a piece of paper and get a friend to cover pictures of people of various races. Then, when all you can see is a tiny speck of skin, try to guess what race the person is. It can be surprising just how difficult this can be.

Also its not just lattitude but weather, culture, Mountains, etc. that determine how much sun people are exposed to.

which africans are you talking about exactly? most of our genetic diversity is to be found between and within groups on that continent, after all.

Central Africa. Not the north because you reach the cradle of humanity and that's were you start to see the genetic differences come into full effect as the environment changes and life is easy and all of our civilization, language, music, math and arts started to rapidly evolve there.

Let's say Congo and Kenya and no more north then Ethiopia or Nigeria.

You might be completely right there, but I'd want to control for environmental differences. There are plenty of "white" people in Australia who are just as dark as the attractive lady in your picture. I guess because of our language we have a lot of preconcieved notions about white people, black people, etc. Their often isn't as much difference in colour of skin between races as people think. Poke a hole in a piece of paper and get a friend to cover pictures of people of various races. Then, when all you can see is a tiny speck of skin, try to guess what race the person is. It can be surprising just how difficult this can be.

Actually Australia was the world's largest prison for Great Britain. If you want to look at the natural people you'll have to look to Aboriginals who migrated to Australia over 40,000 years ago. Not dumped off in the last few hundred years.

http://www.globalvolunteers.org/1main/australia/australiapeople.htm

Actually Australia was the world's largest prison for Great Britain. If you want to look at the natural people you'll have to look to Aboriginals who migrated to Australia over 40,000 years ago. Not dumped off in the last few hundred years.

Yep, and a lot of European Australians and aboriginal Australians have the same skin albedo. Aboriginals tend to get paler when they live in cities, work indoors etc. and a lot of Europeans got tanned when they worked outdoors, played sport, went to the beach etc. Quite a few have ended up passing each other so now there are tanned Europeans who are darker than some city living Aboriginals.

Now I think you are suggesting that amount of sun is not so important but sexual selection is? Maybe, but there seems to be a definite correlation between amount of sun and skin colour. Personally I think lack of sun is an important factor in European paleness. Just as lack of sun is important in the relative paleness of North Queensland rainforest aborigines.

Yep, and a lot of European Australians and aboriginal Australians have the same skin albedo. Aboriginals tend to get paler when they live in cities, work indoors etc. and a lot of Europeans got tanned when they worked outdoors, played sport, went to the beach etc. Quite a few have ended up passing each other so now there are tanned Europeans who are darker than some city living Aboriginals.

Now I think you are suggesting that amount of sun is not so important but sexual selection is? Maybe, but there seems to be a definite correlation between amount of sun and skin colour. Personally I think lack of sun is an important factor in European paleness. Just as lack of sun is important in the relative paleness of North Queensland rainforest aborigines.

Yes that was about sun exposure and how the body reacts. If you are outside more your skin becomes darker and your body works more to reduce damage by the UV radiation and its effects.

As for sexual selection and evolution I said about the physical differences in structure and shape and size. These traits are most evident and can only really be seen when viewing the naked form of each person when compared to each other.

Take a Chinese man, a German man and a Kenyan man. Put them side by side in the nude and you will see the differences. Now put in an Arabic man from around Saudia Arabia or Iran and you see the origin and comparison.

On the Chinese side you have smaller stature, many reduced facial features and a lack of large muscles for a tighter group of muscles that are pretty apparent. You also notice that his form is more feminine almost due to the size and features. No penis jokes, but it is also smaller due to the sizing down a little and the effect on women to.

Now you see the German man, large muscles and a pretty strong form. You see a larger body and a powerful burly one at that. Strong and tough, a man who's original diet consists of many meats and many plant matter that consists of many varied proteins. You have a vary large diet and many nutrients and his body shows that by his build and form.

Now you see then Kenyan man, strong and powerful also. However his build is also lean and pretty amazing. Unlike the previous two his from has large potentional and ablity with a diet that is many plants and less on meat, but it is still there. Fish is not exactly the major part of the body and some of the affects on the brain are not as present, but the body itself is strong and powerful and not 'large' like the German man.

Now let's take a look at the bridge here, the Arab. We see darker skin then the German man, but less toned then the others. We see a smaller build, but larger then the chinese man and we also see a diet that more closely relates to the German man, but without such emphasis on meat products. We see many proteins and less plant matter.

Now we see how the races are compared side to side and how diet and location and evolution through sexual selection (which really is a whole another matter) have showed that through past ancestors where they evolved from and would be headed based on their life and ancestors life and diets.

Evolution is a good thing, but we whites have many diets and many things affect us and our evolution is generally is one focusing on mind and muscle structure developement in a rather large build. Ever seen Rocky? Dolph(Hans) Lundgren is about the best example of a man in his prime. While Muhammad Ali would be the best black man, strong but lean with pure power. While Jet Li would be a great example of a chinese man at his prime. All of these people have clear genetic differences that show how their bodies are different, but at the same time suited to where their ancestors came from.

If you look at the evolution of mankind from Africa though...you start to notice its evolution. Mankind is still evolving. Now not to be racist....but genetically Africans have stronger bodies that are stronger and more powerful naturally, they also have added protection against the sun and its effects, and their brain is a little different. Physically and mental differences are clear.


Actually from what I read that is wrong. You might be pulling that off the fact that African Americans seem big and strong. I will try to find the link, but it stated that actually if you go to Africa the average white European is bigger, stronger, and taller. However, bizarrely, if a black person has a white grandfather or other white blood, these mox race children are going to be bigger and stronger then the average white. Something in the white genetic makeup triggers something in the mix between a black child. It is no coincidence that in America many African Americans who are tall and big, probably have a bit of white blood in them, from the Slave days, when the owner raping a slave was no big deal.
Also, what about pygmies, they live in the heart of the cradle yet they seem pretty small and weak?

well to get super scientific on your ass - white people are mutants

Great!! Every non-white must remember this and never breed with a white person.

Actually from what I read that is wrong. You might be pulling that off the fact that African Americans seem big and strong. I will try to find the link, but it stated that actually if you go to Africa the average white European is bigger, stronger, and taller. However, bizarrely, if a black person has a white grandfather or other white blood, these mox race children are going to be bigger and stronger then the average white. Something in the white genetic makeup triggers something in the mix between a black child. It is no coincidence that in America many African Americans who are tall and big, probably have a bit of white blood in them, from the Slave days, when the owner raping a slave was no big deal.
In agriculture this is called "hybrid vigor", scientifically "heterosis". If you cross two different breeds of animals you get a stronger animal. ie cross an angus with a herford and you get a "black baldie" that is far better than the parents. The same is true with a mutt dog from the pound vs. a pure bred. Pure breeds are more predictable but mixed tend to be stronger.

I tried to run a thread on this once asking if the US was stonger because of the mixing, but no one else had enough agriculture to understand what I was talking about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterosis

Heterosis in humans

One study suggests that hybrid vigor may be associated with increased intelligence in humans. Nagoshi and Johnson (1986) found that children of Japanese-Caucasian cross-ethnic unions scored .26 SD higher on several cognitive tests than those from within-ethnic families, despite having virtually identical parental educational and occupational backgrounds (p. 204). The increase in scores tended to be higher on cognitive tests that were more g-loaded, suggesting that hybrid vigor improves g. To become more reliable, the study would have to match the intelligence averages of the parents as well as compute the intelligence scores of their children. Mingroni (2004) has argued that heterosis may be partially responsible for the Flynn effect.

The Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study shows US children of African-Caucasian cross-ethnic unions score .47 SD lower on cognitive tests taken at age 17 than adopted children of Caucasian heritage, and .67 SD higher than adopted children of African heritage. (The average IQ of the adopting parents in this study was more than 1 standard deviation above the population mean of 100.) The exact interpretation of this study is disputed.

Them white people are teh evil. :)
Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Especially with some theories that some Eastern Native Americans are European in origin, after discovering genetic similarities with Irish and Basque peoples in Europe.
Well, the Northeast has had European visitors for almost four centuries now. Newfoundland was an important Basque fishing settlement. And there were sporadic contact even earlier than that. The question would be how old are these similarities.

Well, the Northeast has had European visitors for almost four centuries now. Newfoundland was an important Basque fishing settlement. And there were sporadic contact even earlier than that. The question would be how old are these similarities.
"National Geographic" has been funding these studies. They seem to show at least some contact well before Columbus. One of the problems is Native American tribes don't want to participate because they believe the answers will weaken their own origin myths.

Native American history is changing rapidly. Archeology studies in South America seem to move the first people from 12,000 years to 40,000 years.

Also there is a good book on the culture of America before Columbus based on new studies. "1491" can't remember the author. They were far more advanced and far more populous than has been the traditional teaching.

I would imagine it has something to do with climate/sunshine

can you imagine how badly sunburned white people would be in Africa (consider it before the time of sunblock oil)?

Perhaps white skin does a good job of storing heat, while black skin does a good job of shedding/getting rid of heat.

just a stab in the dark, and without the benefit of researching previous posts. hehe

Them white people are teh evil. :)
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
No, just powerful. Read Nietzsche and understand the difference.

We all started out from Africa, right? So that would mean we were all black in the beginning, so how come there are white people? Now, you could say stuff like evolution and genetic drift, but surely whole populations couldn't have become white all at once. Especially when you consider that there are some advantages to being black, like a protection from skin cancer, although I suppose that wouldn't matter much in Europe...

no evidence that i was ever black, God created everybody different

I would imagine it has something to do with climate/sunshine

can you imagine how badly sunburned white people would be in Africa (consider it before the time of sunblock oil)?

Perhaps white skin does a good job of storing heat, while black skin does a good job of shedding/getting rid of heat.

just a stab in the dark, and without the benefit of researching previous posts. hehe
Believe it or not, blacks do actually get sunburns, and very bad ones. They are not just as visible. Though I am sure black skin is an evolutionary adaptation to deal with excess sunlight.

Taken from Wikipedia...

According to the Nation of Islam (NOI), Yakub (also spelled Yacub), was an evil scientist responsible for creating the white race — a "race of devils", in their view. Yakub created white people by a process of grafting from the original Black population of the world. It took 600 years for Yakub and his successors to fully whiten his creations. This was achieved under a despotic regime on the island of Patmos. The reasons for Yakub's actions are unclear. His progeny are destined to rule for 6,000 years before the original Black peoples of the world regain dominance, a process that began in 1914.

The doctrine of Yakub was first proclaimed by Wallace Fard Muhammad and was later developed by his successor Elijah Muhammad.

a race of devils (coming from some islams) that are the smartest people in the world

Now you have white people. Not exactly strong as can be physically, and our skin is easier to burn from the sun. However our size is different, smaller and our brains are a little different in structure. We live in less extreme conditions and our bodies show that leisure with evolution to our life-styles and ease by reworking us to a lighter skin tone and smaller stature.

Whites are actually bigger, especially the nordic varieties, with heavier bone structures and greater fat storage. In some cases they are stronger. Africans do have a leaner muscle structure though, leading to more powerful bodies, in some ways. This is what makes many of them great athletes in sports such as track running. This depends on the African tribe of course. Some Africans are tiny, others closer to whites. The fact that our skin can burn easier in sun isn't a weakness. It is an adaptation. We survive better in colder climates, due to greater fat storage. Of course now most of the world is civilised, so no one is really forced (at least in richer countries) to endure environmental extremes, but whites are by no means physically inferior. Neither are blacks. We are simply adapted to different environments.

a race of devils (coming from some islams) that are the smartest people in the world
They are just jealous of us and the southeastern Asians (I wish I knew why people called them yellow-skinned...they are often whiter than us).

I suppose devils are cunning, so maybe that is why we got the name.

I know I do. Mixed people are hot! Although to create a mixed society, shouldn't we be attracted to people who are "all" one race? Apparently not...after mixed people, we tend to be attracted to those of our own race. Beats me!
It depends on how the features mix. Some asian/caucasian mixes are quite attractive, although mixes between different races tend don't tend to be above-the-average attractive. Different ethnicities mixing (say German and russian or Korean and Japanese), on the other hand, can be attractive because features don't differ significantly enough to stop being attractive to members of the same race. There was a whole article on this, but I am not sure where I could find it now...

This also means that all those South Afrikkanners are going to be black in a thousand years, every darker skinned person in Europe should be turning pale right quick and racism as we know it will end. Though I'm sure we'll find some other reason to kill each other. Not making sense never stopped us before:rolleyes:
Ever been to South Africa? I doubt it. Where we live it is hardly a blazing, Saharan-style desert. It rains a lot and the landscape is akin to that of the UK, for the most part of it. Oh, and ever heard of sun screens? There goes your little theory. Darker skinned people in colder European climates though may turn paler indeed, as will Africans who gradually expose themselves to sunscreening cosmetics. The only way everyone will be the same colour is genetics, or racial mixing. I think genetics will come before the latter. Who knows which direction that will take though. Or, I suppose, the rapid Westernisation of the world, so that eventually people will all be a different shade of white, from darker to paler.

And you're right, it wouldn't end discrimination. Africans are all essentially black, Europeans all essentially white. We still killed each other inside our own races. As did the Asians and so on. To this day, some african tribes vehemently oppose each other. Differences can be found if you want them to.

Oh, and yes. It is South Africans, or Zuid Afrikaaners.

One of the problems is Native American tribes don't want to participate because they believe the answers will weaken their own origin myths.

more to the point, they justifiably expect that pretty much anything that people find out will somehow be used against them politically, economically, and socially (see also: the entire history of euro-amerind relations and a significant chunk of scientist-amerind relations)

Actually from what I read that is wrong. You might be pulling that off the fact that African Americans seem big and strong. I will try to find the link, but it stated that actually if you go to Africa the average white European is bigger, stronger, and taller. However, bizarrely, if a black person has a white grandfather or other white blood, these mox race children are going to be bigger and stronger then the average white. Something in the white genetic makeup triggers something in the mix between a black child. It is no coincidence that in America many African Americans who are tall and big, probably have a bit of white blood in them, from the Slave days, when the owner raping a slave was no big deal.
Also, what about pygmies, they live in the heart of the cradle yet they seem pretty small and weak?

Though they are toned and aren't a large build. Whites are. Genetically that could clash and be a result for a mixed child possessing both the large size and large build and stronger form.

Why do you think most bouncers are big white guys though? They are intimidating and powerful. Its harder to find a pure black man who fits that tough look, though they definately have the power and grace for it. Seriously a strong man like that would alone be more intimidating because of the power and ability to chase you down without the 'large' factor of regular bouncers. :)

more to the point, they justifiably expect that pretty much anything that people find out will somehow be used against them politically, economically, and socially (see also: the entire history of euro-amerind relations and a significant chunk of scientist-amerind relations)
Yes, I think that's what's really driving that stonewalling. Since many of their claims are based on their saying that they have *always* been there, if it can be proven that they also came from somewhere else and displaced other peoples, they fear that would ilegitimize their claim.

I think that a court of law would know better than that, but they could also have good cause for concern.

The Zapatistas in Mexico defined native as the the direct descendants of those peoples occupying the country in 1519. I think that settles the issue nicely.

We all started out from Africa, right? So that would mean we were all black in the beginning, so how come there are white people? Now, you could say stuff like evolution and genetic drift, but surely whole populations couldn't have become white all at once. Especially when you consider that there are some advantages to being black, like a protection from skin cancer, although I suppose that wouldn't matter much in Europe...

There is a long-term genetic interrelation between the overall stress level within a population and the amount of pigments in the skin and hair of the individuals. Just as domestic animals have less pigments compared to the respective original animals those humans who spread out from Africa all over Asia and Europe lost their pigments because of reduced overall stress factors such as predators and constant search of habitation. In the vast steppes of ice-age Asia and Europe humans started gathering and hunting their food within a relatively short part of the day while during the rest of the day they did their house-work (or cave-work...) or just rested (which also gave the opportunity to evolve speech) and they assembled sufficiently large groups or clans to fight off any beasts of prey which also reduced the stress level of the respective population.

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Its harder to find a pure black man who fits that tough look, though they definately have the power and grace for it. Seriously a strong man like that would alone be more intimidating because of the power and ability to chase you down without the 'large' factor of regular bouncers. :)
I take it you don't watch much NFL Football?

Vitamin D hypothesis. Early human who migrated to Europe moved to a colder, darker climate, and as a result the darker skin that they had did not allow for the collection of Vitamin D that was needed. People with lighter skin wound up being healthier by virtue of the fact that the lighter skin was able to produce more Vitamin D, and the process continued onward in the usual manner of evolution until you managed to get the current skin tone of Europeans.

"Why Are There White People?"

Because it's a dirty job, but SOMEBODY'S gotta do it! :p

There is a long-term genetic interrelation between the overall stress level within a population and the amount of pigments in the skin and hair of the individuals. Just as domestic animals have less pigments compared to the respective original animals those humans who spread out from Africa all over Asia and Europe lost their pigments because of reduced overall stress factors such as predators and constant search of habitation. In the vast steppes of ice-age Asia and Europe humans started gathering and hunting their food within a relatively short part of the day while during the rest of the day they did their house-work (or cave-work...) or just rested (which also gave the opportunity to evolve speech) and they assembled sufficiently large groups or clans to fight off any beasts of prey which also reduced the stress level of the respective population.

this is wrong on so many levels.

this is wrong on so many levels.
I'm no biologist, but I like the Vitamin D hypothesis better.

I take it you don't watch much NFL Football?

I take it you flunked genetics..... If you bothered to read any of the past longer posts, you might have noticed, that those huge blacks, who are present for example in NFL, have a white descendant somewhere in there ancestry. Or they are an extremem rarity. As formentioned, the children of black and whites mixed are a lot bigger then the pure bred of either race. But a white pure bred is larger then a black pure bred in most cases. But a mixed child, or even a black kid, with a great-great grandfather who might have been a plantation owner, will still have the attributes to grow larger and stronger then other pure black children.