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Well, a few minutes ago, I got one of my Rush albums out to clean and listen to it (Hemispheres). As I was cleaning the record, one of my hand muscles twitched...

...Bad news. The record went flying and landed on my turntable's dust cover. Now it has a chip about one centimetre in length that makes a horrible popping noise every time the stylus goes over it. It was in near-mint condition, too.

Now, here's what I wanna know... Should I wait a few days to see if the de-clicker/de-popper tools on various wave editor programs work, or should I just buy a new record?

Whatever the case, I think I'll go with buying a new one in a week or two, anyway. There are plenty of them on eBay for about $10 total.

Well, a few minutes ago, I got one of my Rush albums out to clean and listen to it (Hemispheres). As I was cleaning the record, one of my hand muscles twitched...

...Bad news. The record went flying and landed on my turntable's dust cover. Now it has a chip about one centimetre in length that makes a horrible popping noise every time the stylus goes over it. It was in near-mint condition, too.

Now, here's what I wanna know... Should I wait a few days to see if the de-clicker/de-popper tools on various wave editor programs work, or should I just buy a new record?

Whatever the case, I think I'll go with buying a new one in a week or two, anyway. There are plenty of them on eBay for about $10 total.
I imagine you want a good technical answer to your quandry, whereas i don't offer one. I offer instead a semantic obviousness that it's probably worth getting a new one. Just don't toss the first one before you find a good remedy.

I imagine you want a good technical answer to your quandry, whereas i don't offer one. I offer instead a semantic obviousness that it's probably worth getting a new one. Just don't toss the first one before you find a good remedy.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking, but I'm totally obsessive about sound quality.

I can definitely see myself selling this record on eBay for about $8 and getting a new one for not much more.

You should go to a church and pray that it repairs itself. God doesn't like seeing people suffer.

I just got back into Rush. The drumming on Limelight is just so brilliant.

I just got back into Rush. The drumming on Limelight is just so brilliant.

My god, yes. It's even better on vinyl. There are percussion sounds that simply aren't there on the CD remasters. The entirety of Moving Pictures is just brilliant.

I'm still kinda bummed about the chip on my Hemispheres record, though. But no biggie; I'll just get a new one.

You should go to a church and pray that it repairs itself. God doesn't like seeing people suffer.
Then he must have spent most of the past eternity investing in blindfolds. Of course, if I had to watch you lot wander around throwing your records at harmless musical equipment, I might start trying to escape too.

Well, a few minutes ago, I got one of my Rush albums out to clean and listen to it (Hemispheres). As I was cleaning the record, one of my hand muscles twitched...

...Bad news. The record went flying and landed on my turntable's dust cover. Now it has a chip about one centimetre in length that makes a horrible popping noise every time the stylus goes over it. It was in near-mint condition, too.

Now, here's what I wanna know... Should I wait a few days to see if the de-clicker/de-popper tools on various wave editor programs work, or should I just buy a new record?

Whatever the case, I think I'll go with buying a new one in a week or two, anyway. There are plenty of them on eBay for about $10 total.
Ooooh. I hate seeing (or hearing about) vinyl get hurt. I managed to end up with a shard of glass embedded in a Pink Floyd record once - I dropped it while passing it to someone, and when he went to catch it he knocked his pint over (no, it wasn't in a pub). The record hit the floor and the glass smashed on top of it. I bought a new one for a few quid, and I'd say you should do the same, especially if you can get it so cheap.

Ooooh. I hate seeing (or hearing about) vinyl get hurt. I managed to end up with a shard of glass embedded in a Pink Floyd record once - I dropped it while passing it to someone, and when he went to catch it he knocked his pint over (no, it wasn't in a pub). The record hit the floor and the glass smashed on top of it. I bought a new one for a few quid, and I'd say you should do the same, especially if you can get it so cheap.

Yeah, definitely. I just wanted to know what you guys thought about it, and it seems that those of you who are being serious (though I definitely don't mind the random insanity of some of the posters, who I shan't name) have the same thing in mind.

I'm guessing I could get ~$7 for the record I have, since the only thing wrong with it is this chip. Otherwise, it plays perfectly.

Wow...all I can say is shit happens. I really hope you can fix it because Rush kicks ass, and near-mint condition Rush records kick even more ass. Regardless of how many there are, losing one just plain sucks.

Wow...all I can say is shit happens. I really hope you can fix it because Rush kicks ass, and near-mint condition Rush records kick even more ass. Regardless of how many there are, losing one just plain sucks.

Yeah, and this one only cost me $12. It came in protective plastic sealing, complete with a vinyl sleeve and a foldout poster. It's fucking lame that my hand twitched the way it did, but that's how it goes.

I know for sure that I'll find another near-mint pressing on Ebay in about a week. I just wish that I didn't have to.

Buy a cd? Download the stuff?

Liasia']Buy a cd? Download the stuff?

I already downloaded MP3 versions, which is why I bought the original vinyl in the first place.

And CD is S-H-I-T compared to vinyl. And you know how much a CD version of the album costs? It's about $20 for a new one, when I could get a near-mint replacement copy of the record for about half that.

So no. When an album is available on vinyl, there's no substitute.

The loss of any Rush album is a tragedy.

The loss of any Rush album is a tragedy.

Tell me about it. I was totally pissed off when it happened.

I already downloaded MP3 versions, which is why I bought the original vinyl in the first place.

And CD is S-H-I-T compared to vinyl. And you know how much a CD version of the album costs? It's about $20 for a new one, when I could get a near-mint replacement copy of the record for about half that.

So no. When an album is available on vinyl, there's no substitute.

Dude. Vinyl is nono better than cd. Ive listened to all my Sabbath albums on both and i cant tell the difference, except i dont have to flip the fucking cd over every 2 minuites.

I ain't paid for music for months now. Go kazaa!

Liasia']Dude. Vinyl is nono better than cd. Ive listened to all my Sabbath albums on both and i cant tell the difference, except i dont have to flip the fucking cd over every 2 minuites.

I ain't paid for music for months now. Go kazaa!

Then your ears are terrible. Much offense intended.

Then your ears are terrible. Much offense intended.
:rolleyes: Suit yourself. The only way i can see it making a difference is if i had massively great speakers. I dont, so no difference.

Liasia']:rolleyes: Suit yourself. The only way i can see it making a difference is if i had massively great speakers. I dont, so no difference.

HAH. I've been listening to my Rush albums on the shittiest speakers ever, and they still sound better than my CD rips on my Altec Lansing 2.1's with a dedicated subwoofer.

I bet you don't even clean your records.

HAH. I've been listening to my Rush albums on the shittiest speakers ever, and they still sound better than my CD rips on my Altec Lansing 2.1's with a dedicated subwoofer.

I bet you don't even clean your records.

No, i don't to be honest. Shame all this sound stuff is subjective, otherwise you might be able to convince me. But as it stands, i can say there is NO difference between lps and a cd. so there.

Liasia']No, i don't to be honest. Shame all this sound stuff is subjective, otherwise you might be able to convince me. But as it stands, i can say there is NO difference between lps and a cd. so there.

Vinyl LP's have exact copies of analogue waveforms in their grooves. CD's emulate waveforms (quite poorly, I might add).

A vinyl LP has a frequence response of 10hz - 100khz (virtually limitless), while CD's have a hard limit of 20hz - 22.1khz.

Some uninformed people say that the CD's response, being close to the complete range of human hearing, is perfect. But that's far from the truth. A CD's rather limited frequency range results in aliasing unless special recording techniques are used, and even then, band extrapolation is necessary to make the lows and highs "clean". And, because of CD's 44.1khz envelope resolution, percussion tends to "break" when there's a lot of other sound going on. Along with that, the band extrapolation also makes the lows and highs sound tinny and "digitised".

Even cassette tapes sound better than CD's (if you use a real cassette deck, and not a modern combo one).

Vinyl LP's have exact copies of analogue waveforms in their grooves. CD's emulate waveforms (quite poorly, I might add).

A vinyl LP has a frequence response of 10hz - 100khz (virtually limitless), while CD's have a hard limit of 20hz - 22.1khz.

Some uninformed people say that the CD's response, being close to the complete range of human hearing, is perfect. But that's far from the truth. A CD's rather limited frequency range results in aliasing unless special recording techniques are used, and even then, band extrapolation is necessary to make the lows and highs "clean". And, because of CD's 44.1khz envelope resolution, percussion tends to "break" when there's a lot of other sound going on. Along with that, the band extrapolation also makes the lows and highs sound tinny and "digitised".

Even cassette tapes sound better than CD's (if you use a real cassette deck, and not a modern combo one).

All that effort, and yet youre still wrong. If lps were so great, we wouldn't have moved to cassettes and cds- it's not as if there is any more tracks on cds than there were on lps.

You should go to a church and pray that it repairs itself. God doesn't like seeing people suffer.
Hahahahahohohohahaha!

Liasia']All that effort, and yet youre still wrong. If lps were so great, we wouldn't have moved to cassettes and cds- it's not as if there is any more tracks on cds than there were on lps.

No, I'm not wrong.

First of all, we didn't "move to cassettes". LP's still outsold cassettes throughout the 80's, in the cassette's prime.

Second, corporations switched to CD's because they're cheaper (not to mention much easier) to produce, and when kept at the same price point as LP's, they make a bigger profit. It was hardly about sound quality, something the CD format is lacking compared to vinyl.

It's just like the switch from film to digital photography. It's because it's cheaper, not better (digital cameras definitely don't have the quality of real film).

No, I'm not wrong.

First of all, we didn't "move to cassettes". LP's still outsold cassettes throughout the 80's, in the cassette's prime.

Second, corporations switched to CD's because they're cheaper to produce, and when kept at the same price point as LP's, they make a bigger profit. It was hardly about sound quality, something the CD format is lacking compared to vinyl.

It's just like the switch from film to digital photography. It's because it's cheaper, not better (digital cameras definitely don't have the quality of real film).

Once again, incorrect. Especially with some of the top of the line stuff available. Basically you want to live in the 1970s, that's what your'e saying?

Liasia']All that effort, and yet youre still wrong. If lps were so great, we wouldn't have moved to cassettes and cds- it's not as if there is any more tracks on cds than there were on lps.
The switch to CDs had more to do with convenience, durability and budgetary reasons than anything else. Case in point, Potaria flicks his wrist and breaks a record, last week I threw a CD out a window (don't ask why) and it still played fine after being recovered.

The switch to CDs had more to do with convenience, durability and budgetary reasons than anything else. Case in point, Potaria flicks his wrist and breaks a record, last week I threw a CD out a window (don't ask why) and it still played fine after being recovered.

Don't try that with downloads. PCs+ground = no more rush.

Liasia']Once again, incorrect. Especially with some of the top of the line stuff available. Basically you want to live in the 1970s, that's what your'e saying?

Once again, I'm not incorrect. Digital "film" is pixellated even at the highest possible resolutions, so when you look closely at a photo taken with a high-end digital camera, it's still basically blocky.

It's not that way with film. You can blow up a photograph taken with a high-end film camera to many, many times its size and maintain the same, consistent quality. You can see many minute details in blown-up film that would be pixellated on digital photos. And keep in mind that most serious filmmakers still use 8mm cameras.

Digital methods of recording are definitely easier, but they're hardly of the quality of analogue. There's a reason why the medium hasn't died out.

Digital methods of recording are definitely easier, but they're hardly of the quality of analogue. There's a reason why the medium hasn't died out.

Yes but film is still limited by the size of the photo you took, isnt it? I can't enlarge a photo from a hand held cheap camera any more than i could a digital one.

The reason films haven't died out is because there are still some people without computers, some people like you who prefer film and its cheap.

Liasia']Don't try that with downloads. PCs+ground = no more rush.
It would almost be worth it to just make Geddy Lee quit raping my ear drums, but that would be off topic and very sarky.

It would almost be worth it to just make Geddy Lee quit raping my ear drums, but that would be off topic and very sarky.

Some of us happen to like his voice.

Some of us happen to like his voice.
And some people like Robin Williams, fuck all if you can explain that one to me either.

And some people like Robin Williams, fuck all if you can explain that one to me either.

He's pretty funny. Bicentennial man is a good film, despite what people say. 'Good morning VIETNAM!'

And some people like Robin Williams, fuck all if you can explain that one to me either.

His broadway stuff was pretty funny. Yeah, he's hyper and all, but he really knows how to do a comedy act.

And some people like Robin Williams, fuck all if you can explain that one to me either.
YOU're just not acquainted with his "anal leakage" riff. You'd be stitched, it's a few grades more explicitly funny than Redneck Foxworthy's.