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mmmmmm Sarcasm...

Well I've just been caught out by channel hopping by seeing a computer generated cartoon masquerading as a party political broadcast (PPB) by the Labour Party...

It was all about a blue chameleon called David (yes...Cameron), who went to private school and tried to become a proper conservative before telling people what they wanted to hear so he could become popular...

So...cartoons eh?

Utter bollocks? You betcha...

Anyways, point of this slight rant is that this constant anti intellectual dumbing down of politics is getting beyond a joke. The devil is always in the details and people can't seem accept that life is complicated. You can't solve problems like new sources of energy and education with simple policies yet some how by saying stupid sound bites such as "Education x3" seems to please those who don't know better.

This sounds awful, but I am beginning to lose faith in the ability of some to make informed decisions about who they will vote for an why, and when politicians play into that idea, things will only get worse for democracy in my honest opinion.

So, to sum up, the Labour PPB was shite.

I thought it was quite funny. Shouldn't have been a PPB, but still quite funny.

I don't like david cameron. He is trying to be lib dem and new labour at the same time.

Labour ppb is always shite.

I haven't seen the ppb but I wish I had cos I hate the tories (and new labour).

I don't like david cameron. He is trying to be lib dem and new labour at the same time.

Labour ppb is always shite.

Yes, but New Labour is Thatcherism...I like David Cameron as a person, even if he is being popularist. I much prefer him to Tony Blair, though.

mmmmmm Sarcasm...

Well I've just been caught out by channel hopping by seeing a computer generated cartoon masquerading as a party political broadcast (PPB) by the Labour Party...

It was all about a blue chameleon called David (yes...Cameron), who went to private school and tried to become a proper conservative before telling people what they wanted to hear so he could become popular...

So...cartoons eh?

Utter bollocks? You betcha...

Anyways, point of this slight rant is that this constant anti intellectual dumbing down of politics is getting beyond a joke. The devil is always in the details and people can't seem accept that life is complicated. You can't solve problems like new sources of energy and education with simple policies yet some how by saying stupid sound bites such as "Education x3" seems to please those who don't know better.

This sounds awful, but I am beginning to lose faith in the ability of some to make informed decisions about who they will vote for an why, and when politicians play into that idea, things will only get worse for democracy in my honest opinion.

So, to sum up, the Labour PPB was shite.

Heh...I was going to post this as well. It was rather amusing, but you're right, it is just another example of the 'dumbing down' of politics.

www.davethechameleon.com - that's the website that goes along with the broadcast.

I prefer Cameron to Blair by a mile, but I wish that he was in charge of the Lib Dems rather than the Conservatives.

I saw half of it, and I really couldn't see where it was going. Was it gonna be labour, Lib Dem, Green, BNP, etc. I had no clue till the end. Broadcasts must always contain some of your own policies, not just insult the opposition.

Yes, well this is basically slanderous shite. The Labour party accusing someone of being populist? Ha!

Yes, well this is basically slanderous shite. The Labour party accusing someone of being populist? Ha!
Populist is very much the wrong word. Popularist, is more apt.

I've just watched it on the telly, It's amusing yes, but it's more anti-tory than pro-labour. The soundtrack was good, very apt.

www.davethechameleon.com - that's the website that goes along with the broadcast.

What a bile pile o' unsubtle bile that is...

What gets me is that they accuse the Conservatives of going with what people want... well excuse me for asking wtf they did during the mid 90's to get into power?

Oh yeah, get a young dynamic leader in, who used modern marketing techniques and methods to build up support for his party who prey on those who became disillusioned with the party in power by adopting some policies that the opposition haven't exploited properly...

Ring any bells?

Just saw it on the BBC; I really wanted the Beeb voiceover to say "god have mercy" or similar at the end. I could hear the bemusement in his voice. :D

Did anyone else watch it?

I did, and thought it was not only patronising and insulting, but a terrible example of negative campaigning which contained no substantive whatsoever. They didn't even attack what the Tories planned to do, they just accused them of "being Tories". Nevermind that the vast majority of people who would consider voting Labour vote Lib Dem or Green rather than Tory.

They've launched a website about it: www.davethechameleon.com which is even worse.

Does anyone have a link to it?

I enjoy Loling at the current kleptocracy.

This has already been mentioned. I believe copycat threads are banned. Please don't break the rules.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=478167

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=478167

Possibly he didn't know about it? Try not to jump down people's throats.

This has already been mentioned. I believe copycat threads are banned. Please don't break the rules.
Oh good lord, I failed to read all 20,569,472,350,982,735,397 pages of threads on this board before posting. Off with my head!

Oh good lord, I failed to read all 20,569,472,350,982,735,397 pages of threads on this board before posting. Off with my head!

I bet he's dead hard though.

In the showers......

Oh good lord, I failed to read all 20,569,472,350,982,735,397 pages of threads on this board before posting. Off with my head!

Hang your head in shame!


SHAME!

Just saw it on the BBC; I really wanted the Beeb voiceover to say "god have mercy" or similar at the end. I could hear the bemusement in his voice. :D

Yeah, thats very true...

It's almost as good as the ideas that they had on 'Mock of the Week', such as

"And if you turn over to BBC 2 now, you can catch BBC News 24 which goes all through the night...just like me."

"The voice you're listening to is not actually coming from the television, that turned off an hour ago. This is just a voice inside your head."

and

"And you'll be really interested to know that I am currently naked and playing with myself..."

To which the real BBC announcer said after the programme,

"Well we on BBC 2 don't actually do that kind of thing, but the announcers on BBC 1, well, lets just say they're different..."

Damn straight, stop nicking my thread topics :p

Yes, well this is basically slanderous shite.
And Heaven forfend that Cameron ever be guilty of that. At least Labour didn't call him a closet racist.

Don't worry, I am thoroughly ashamed of myself for my blatant spamming by posting a similar thread to one posted 4 hours ago which I had absolutely no knowledge of and which I couldn't reasonably be expected to have any knowledge of. I thank ConscribedComradeship for showing me the terrible error of my ways.

And Heaven forfend that Cameron ever be guilty of that. At least Labour didn't call him a closet racist.

True, they're just as bad as each other...but one is slanderous and the other is both slanderous and hypocritical...hmmmmmmmm what a choice...

Hence my sarcasm and request for the threads to be merged in the Mod section... was only 3rd page though ;)

I liked the advert. It was factual yet entertaining. Its not like they called him a selfish tory wanker who wants to destroy the country for the benefit of his rich buddies.

Factual? It didn't say anything. And I don't even like Cameron.

I bet he's dead hard though.

In the showers......

Please elaborate.

I liked the advert. It was factual yet entertaining. Its not like they called him a selfish tory wanker who wants to destroy the country for the benefit of his rich buddies.

Oh, they did, just by saying it another way. Besides, it easy to accuse somebody of trying to emulate them.

Labour may not be the left wingers they once were, but the tories are just as evil as always. This attempted rebranding is pitiful. would you vote for the Nazi's if they promised not to kill any more jews? NO! because they would still be evil because the people making the promises would heve had to join the party before the promise was made. and why would someone not evil join the Nazi party. Cameron obviously likes what the tories stood for when he joined or he wouldnt have. And they stood for screwing over the poor, and the average, and the old and the sick and anyone who wasnt white. So why would a man who joined a party like that suddenly change his spots? he wouldnt. he would just lie to trick us all and sneak the tories back into power. The dirty rotten evil scum.

Cameron obviously likes what the tories stood for when he joined or he wouldnt have.

Just as people like Prescott, Straw and half a dozen others were members of socialist and even communist organisations before becoming and even whilst being memebers of the Labour Party. But it appears that leopards can change their spots after all...

Cameron obviously likes what the tories stood for when he joined
So do I, and so do a lot of people. Why has "you are a Tory / right-winger" turned into an insult these days?

So do I, and so do a lot of people. Why has "you are a Tory / right-winger" turned into an insult these days?
Exactly the same reason that "you are Labour / left-winger" has turned into an insult. It just depends on who you are talking to.

mmmmmm Sarcasm...

Well I've just been caught out by channel hopping by seeing a computer generated cartoon masquerading as a party political broadcast (PPB) by the Labour Party...

It was all about a blue chameleon called David (yes...Cameron), who went to private school and tried to become a proper conservative before telling people what they wanted to hear so he could become popular...

So...cartoons eh?

Utter bollocks? You betcha...

Anyways, point of this slight rant is that this constant anti intellectual dumbing down of politics is getting beyond a joke. The devil is always in the details and people can't seem accept that life is complicated. You can't solve problems like new sources of energy and education with simple policies yet some how by saying stupid sound bites such as "Education x3" seems to please those who don't know better.

This sounds awful, but I am beginning to lose faith in the ability of some to make informed decisions about who they will vote for an why, and when politicians play into that idea, things will only get worse for democracy in my honest opinion.

So, to sum up, the Labour PPB was shite.

It shows what a shite state of affairs our country is in if our government think its people are so moronic that they will only respond to political issues if they're shown a cartoon about them.

"Education x 3" - does that mean the number of education ministers we've had since Labour came into power? Or does it mean that university tuition fees have gone up three-fold?

It shows what a shite state of affairs our country is in if our government think its people are so moronic that they will only respond to political issues if they're shown a cartoon about them.

"Education x 3" - does that mean the number of education ministers we've had since Labour came into power? Or does it mean that university tuition fees have gone up three-fold?

So do I, and so do a lot of people. Why has "you are a Tory / right-winger" turned into an insult these days?

I blame Mussolini and Hitler. They gave the right wing a bad name.

and anyone who wasnt white. .

hahaha. laughs such much I cried a tear.

I blame Mussolini and Hitler. They gave the right wing a bad name.

They gave fascism/dictatorship/social darwinism a bad name. Social policy is very different to economic policy. We can hardly say the BNP are evil right wingers when they're basically socialist.

Surely Cameron the Camelion sounds baetter than Dave the Chamelion, no?

I think it sums up british politics: Most people don't like either the Thatcherite Labour Party, the Thatcherite Tory party or the 'chuck-out-most-popular-leader-for-80-years' Liberals.

And in any case, when elections are determined by 100 or so (1/6th parliament) why bother appealing to the rest of the electorate anyway?

babyish even though i do hate the tories. Tories are tories, get over it. And now labour are tories. And the Lib Dems want to be tories...

I'm kinda curious that the Labour party considers it an attack.

Oh noes! This guy is doing his best to appear to represent everyone and has no personal substance!

Guess what? Democratic governments are supposed to (and are rewarded when they) represent their people. If the only ammunition you have against someone is their being populist, you're effectively giving people a reason to vote for them.

"Education x 3" - does that mean the number of education ministers we've had since Labour came into power? Or does it mean that university tuition fees have gone up three-fold?

No, it was in reference to the Labour promise of concentrating on "Education Education Education" back in '97. I just couldn't be arsed writing it 3 times so I just put x3 :)

Exactly the same reason that "you are Labour / left-winger" has turned into an insult. It just depends on who you are talking to.
Has it? Take thos (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4908978.stm), for example. Could you imagine the BBC publishing a story which accuses Labour of being "still left wing"?