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Ok so theres been a new arrest but, shes been gone for a YEAR. Im tired of this case and i never want to hear about it again ever. Her mom is macking a huge publicity stunt off of it and im tired of it.

Well, if you never want to hear about it again, making a thread about it might not be the smartest move. Although, we might veer off topic.

Ok so theres been a new arrest but, shes been gone for a YEAR. Im tired of this case and i never want to hear about it again ever. Her mom is macking a huge publicity stunt off of it and im tired of it.


Publicity STUNT?

I see a mother who desperately wants as much attention as she can get to try to find her missing daughter. People still pay attention and hopefully, she will find out what happened to her as a result.
Any parent that didnt do everything they could like this under the same circumstances would have to have something worng with them.

YOU'RE tired of the case? Who cares?

:upyours: Her mother has lost a child. If you never want to hear about it, stop watching the news.

Publicity STUNT?
Yes. She was an overprivileged teen from an overprivileged family and her mother is using that as an entitlement to more media coverage than she deserves.

I'm also tired of hearing about it, but then again this thread is the first time I've heard about it in a long, long time.

I'm also tired of hearing about it, but then again this thread is the first time I've heard about it in a long, long time.
They just arrested some one and released their initials, like some dumb game. So it's all in the news again. There are people that go missing in this country that don't get half of this kind of coverage locally, none of it nationally.

Yes. She was an overprivileged teen from an overprivileged family and her mother is using that as an entitlement to more media coverage than she deserves.
so you think that the mother should say "my daughter has been murdered, the killer has not been found, there is no justice for her, but ive had my share of attention, ill just LET IT GO"

i dont think so.

They just arrested some one and released their initials, like some dumb game. So it's all in the news again. There are people that go missing in this country that don't get half of this kind of coverage locally, none of it nationally.

Well, she has more name-brand recognition, therefore she is a better story and therefore she sells better.
Thank the media for being fair and balanced.

so you think that the mother should say "my daughter has been murdered, the killer has not been found, there is no justice for her, but ive had my share of attention, ill just LET IT GO"

i dont think so.
I think she doesn't deserve the media coverage. She can go do whatever the fuck she wants, but they shouldn't have given all this bullshit media coverage. She only got it because she is from an overprivileged family.

Yes. She was an overprivileged teen from an overprivileged family and her mother is using that as an entitlement to more media coverage than she deserves.


And you're the official on who is over-privileged?

If I were her mother, I'd take advantage of everything I could to get some answers, if there are any.

And entitlement? Bullshit. The girl hasnt turned up and its likely the worst thing immaginable has happened to her- I dont think anyone that cares about her is feeling too entitled or overprivileged now.

And as far as the media is concerned- if you dont "deserve" coverage, you dont get coverage.

And you're the official on who is over-privileged?
I'm sorry, I was unaware that it wasn't common knowledge that the area Halloway is full of some of the richest people in Alabama. I thoguht they had said that on the news. She is from a gated, overprivileged suburb near Birmingham.

And entitlement? Bullshit.
Yes, rich people believe they have an entitlement to this sort of shit.

The girl hasnt turned up and its likely the worst thing immaginable has happened to her- I dont think anyone that cares about her is feeling too entitled or overprivileged now.
How is this relevant to why she should get media coverage?

And as far as the media is concerned- if you dont "deserve" coverage, you dont get coverage.
My turn to say it - Bullshit.

They just arrested some one and released their initials, like some dumb game. So it's all in the news again. There are people that go missing in this country that don't get half of this kind of coverage locally, none of it nationally.
Except that unlike in Aruba, the government isn't involved in covering up the crimes. Aruba should be embargoed.

This whole thing discusts me. Even though I do feel sorry for her parents, the media is over doing it and every time my parents watch the news all I hear about is this new arrest. Whatever. There are more important things for the media to report on than a new arrest in a year old case.

I'm sorry, I was unaware that it wasn't common knowledge that the area Halloway is full of some of the richest people in Alabama. I thoguht they had said that on the news. She is from a gated, overprivileged suburb near Birmingham.


Yes, rich people believe they have an entitlement to this sort of shit.


How is this relevant to why she should get media coverage?


My turn to say it - Bullshit.

You're wasting your breath on me, my angry and obviously oppressed friend.

Yes. She was an overprivileged teen from an overprivileged family and her mother is using that as an entitlement to more media coverage than she deserves.
I thought this was a actual discussion of the Halloway case. But then I read this and realize this thread is nothing more than typical antiamerican socialist ranting.
You are mad she is getting coverage cause she is American and she rich. Living in a well to do community does not make you evil nor does it make you any LESS deserving than someone from a lower class community.
It is always an evil thing when any one is abducted, raped and killed. Women from wealthy families don't deserve that kind of treatment. No one does. You are just sick in your support for the fucking killers and your hatred of people who have been so successful as to accumulate wealth and property.
They have the right to use all the tools and help they can get to find out what happened to their daughter. If you don't like it, move the fuck to communist China or to communist Venezuela.
Being a successful enough to accumulate wealth, is not a reason for person's murder to ever be applauded by anyone. Unless you are a typical sickass anti american socialist from Venezuela or some other anti american country.

This whole thing discusts me. Even though I do feel sorry for her parents, the media is over doing it and every time my parents watch the news all I hear about is this new arrest. Whatever. There are more important things for the media to report on than a new arrest in a year old case.
Sense you probably haven't paid attention, they found that government officials on the island were blocking and deliberately derailing the investigation. Again, I think Aruba should be embargoed.

I agree...Too much media attention for this girl. If it was my sister that went missing, i guarantee that no national media would cover that any time, especially that damed Nancy Grace.... Garsh I hate that lady...but anyway too much attention, she is dead, let it be.

This case pisses me off so much. The only reason it gets any coverage is because she was white, blonde, and young. And its WAY too much coverage, its not even real news, yet it is treated as such. To be honest I dont give a fuck about her. Not when 100's of 1000's of people or being slaughtered and displaced in the sudan, or Iran and US are moving closer to what could be a world war, or when 1,000 of Katrina victims are still suffering. If the media wants to keep any credibility they would drop this nonsense and focus on something important. But then again ratings have become more important than real journalism I suppose.

It bugs me that the only missing people who matter are missing white girls.

If she wasn't a pretty white girl no one would give a shit. Just look how much coverage missing non-white people get.

Sense you probably haven't paid attention, they found that government officials on the island were blocking and deliberately derailing the investigation. Again, I think Aruba should be embargoed.

You have to understand its not an issue with the smug and pimply pricks, as long as an American is the victim.

I agree...Too much media attention for this girl. If it was my sister that went missing, i guarantee that no national media would cover that any time, especially that damed Nancy Grace.... Garsh I hate that lady...but anyway too much attention, she is dead, let it be.

Sure. I guess you'd just shrug and agree "OK folks, my sister's gotten enough attention now" and ask them to stop efforts to find out what happened. :rolleyes:

It bugs me that the only missing people who matter are missing white girls.

If she wasn't a pretty white girl no one would give a shit. Just look how much coverage missing non-white people get.


Too bad thats not true. In just the past week, two brothers got quite a bit of attention. Unfortunately, instead of being found alive, their remains were found and police are still looking for the answers there.

Maybe people feel better chanting the missing white girls get all the attention mantra, but its still just a load of crap.

You are mad she is getting coverage cause she is American and she rich.
Yes, because otherwise she wouldn't even have this much media coverage on local news stations.

Living in a well to do community does not make you evil nor does it make you any LESS deserving than someone from a lower class community.
But it does not make you more deserving, which seems to be what Mrs. Holloway believes.

It is always an evil thing when any one is abducted, raped and killed.
If you know that much about the case, I know some people who would like to ask you a few questions.

You are just sick in your support for the fucking killers and your hatred of people who have been so successful as to accumulate wealth and property.
I'm sick of this kind of bullshit and unfairness.

They have the right to use all the tools and help they can get to find out what happened to their daughter. If you don't like it, move the fuck to communist China or to communist Venezuela.
I hear Venezuela has better health coverage and China has virtually no crime.


Being a successful enough to accumulate wealth, is not a reason for person's murder to ever be applauded by anyone.
I dare anyone to quote me saying she deserved to be "murdered" or where I applauded the assumption that she was murdered. Frankly, it looks like Whittier- knows more about the case than anyone investigating it. I think he was involved.

Sure. I guess you'd just shrug and agree "OK folks, my sister's gotten enough attention now" and ask them to stop efforts to find out what happened. :rolleyes:
The Holloway family needs to stop taking coverage away from deserving news and go fucking grieve.

Maybe people feel better chanting the missing white girls get all the attention mantra, but its still just a load of crap.
Bullshit. Name me a single story of a missing non-white girl that got national coverage. Just one. Hell, name me a story of a missing unpretty girl.

I thought this was a actual discussion of the Halloway case. But then I read this and realize this thread is nothing more than typical antiamerican socialist ranting.
:rolleyes:
You are mad she is getting coverage cause she is American and she rich.
No, Im mad shes getting coverage she doesnt deserve, her case is something for mid-day court tv, not massive prime time coverage on the cable news and networks


It is always an evil thing when any one is abducted, raped and killed.
So why dont you complain about how theres no coverage of sudan where that very thing is happening at a million times scale than the halloway thing.

They have the right to use all the tools and help they can get to find out what happened to their daughter.
Not the tool that is supposed to keep the public semi-informed about important things(i.e. the media) they want tools, post some flyers in the post office

If you don't like it, move the fuck to communist China or to communist Venezuela.
Since when is venezuela communist? socialist is more like it and China is at best pseudo-communist

. Unless you are a typical sickass anti american socialist from Venezuela or some other anti american country.
Venezuela is anti-American? I remember something about them offering to send free barrels of oil to help Katrina victims.

Too bad thats not true. In just the past week, two brothers got quite a bit of attention. Unfortunately, instead of being found alive, their remains were found and police are still looking for the answers there.

Maybe people feel better chanting the missing white girls get all the attention mantra, but its still just a load of crap.
And when you look at stats like this in child kidnapping at least
http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/documents/nismart2_nonfamily.pdf (page 7 has table)

Female children are abducted Way over half the time

Go figure that the most abducted sex gets the most attention

Though the white part is a bit suspect as it is not in first

Maybe people feel better chanting the missing white girls get all the attention mantra, but its still just a load of crap.

how many hours have been devoted to this one girl? how many other people in the united states alone have gone missing during that time?

Ok so theres been a new arrest but, shes been gone for a YEAR. Im tired of this case and i never want to hear about it again ever. Her mom is macking a huge publicity stunt off of it and im tired of it.

publicity stunt?

i think you may have her confused with Cindy Sheehan

The Holloway family needs to stop taking coverage away from deserving news and go fucking grieve.


Bullshit. Name me a single story of a missing non-white girl that got national coverage. Just one. Hell, name me a story of a missing unpretty girl.
http://www.showmenews.com/2006/Mar/20060308Obit001.asp

There is at least one

http://www.showmenews.com/2006/Mar/20060308Obit001.asp

There is at least one
this is national coverage, how exactly?

this is national coverage, how exactly?
I never heard of it, probably because Missouri is only a couple hours from Minnesota.
That is not a national news source, it is a local news source from a state only a couple hundred kilometers south.

Yes. She was an overprivileged teen from an overprivileged family and her mother is using that as an entitlement to more media coverage than she deserves.

Interesting? So how much media coverage is one supposed to have?

Interesting? So how much media coverage is one supposed to have?
none, for any cases like these. They belong on court tv at best

I'm sorry, I was unaware that it wasn't common knowledge that the area Halloway is full of some of the richest people in Alabama. I thoguht they had said that on the news. She is from a gated, overprivileged suburb near Birmingham.

And that means.....NOTHING.

My friend in high school lived in Los Altos Hills. Where people with level of Hewlit and Packard lived. They were not wealthy by any imagination.

I one lived in Cupertino, CA. Not even close to wealthy.


Yes, rich people believe they have an entitlement to this sort of shit.

Yes some do and yet many do not.


How is this relevant to why she should get media coverage?

My turn to say it - Bullshit.

No actually the claim is correct. She is getting coverage because people are interesting in it......

The Holloway family needs to stop taking coverage away from deserving news and go fucking grieve.


Bullshit. Name me a single story of a missing non-white girl that got national coverage. Just one. Hell, name me a story of a missing unpretty girl.

I hate to tell you the Holloway family is taking nothing away from the news.

The News is giving them the coverage because people are interested.

It bugs me that the only missing people who matter are missing white girls.

If she wasn't a pretty white girl no one would give a shit. Just look how much coverage missing non-white people get.

There is something arguable about this claim.

When that girl Samantha Runion(sp?) went missing; she was all over TV as she was a pretty little girl.

Yet, a plain looking little black girl goes missing in the Florida youth system and few people said anything about it.

Ok so theres been a new arrest but, shes been gone for a YEAR. Im tired of this case and i never want to hear about it again ever. Her mom is macking a huge publicity stunt off of it and im tired of it.

My thoughts exactly. If the government in Aruba is so corrupt, why did Beth Twitty allow her daughter to travel there? I'm sick of her trying to intervene in the justice system. She should let the cops do their job, and stop condemning men before they've been properly tried.

this is national coverage, how exactly?
Would you prefer
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/04/14/friday/index.html

or how bout
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,189947,00.html

?

Would you prefer
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/04/14/friday/index.html

or how bout
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,189947,00.html

?
Thats the 1st time Im hearing of either one those cases but I get your point

No actually the claim is correct. She is getting coverage because people are interesting in it......
Obviously they arn't.

yes the case has received more tv time than it warrants. personally i think its because reporters beg for the assignment and make it sound more sensational than it is so they can stay in paradise longer.

the thought that aruba is covering up anything it ludicrous. they put those boys in jail for months without charges. they were interrogated every day. you cant do that in the US. there is no crime scene, no body, no witnesses. its pretty hard for anyone to solve a crime like that. unitl someone decides to talk, it wont be solved.

its not wrong for mrs twitty to keep it in the news in any way she can. any mother would. its the decision of the various news outlets whether or not they will devote any more air time to it. you can fault them for it, but its their judgement that people want to know. when people stop caring, theyll stop reporting.

Obviously they arn't.
Then why is she on tv?

What her parents force the TV stations to air the news?

The Holloway family needs to stop taking coverage away from deserving news and go fucking grieve.


Bullshit. Name me a single story of a missing non-white girl that got national coverage. Just one. Hell, name me a story of a missing unpretty girl.
Well, fortunately for all of us, it's not up to you who the media covers. The media itself decides what it wants to cover. One of the greatest things in our nation is that we don't have government dictating to newsnetworks what they can and can't cover. Neither the government nor any special interest group has a right, in the US, to dictate to the media how much coverage they can give any particular topic.

:rolleyes:

No, Im mad shes getting coverage she doesnt deserve, her case is something for mid-day court tv, not massive prime time coverage on the cable news and networks


So why dont you complain about how theres no coverage of sudan where that very thing is happening at a million times scale than the halloway thing.


Not the tool that is supposed to keep the public semi-informed about important things(i.e. the media) they want tools, post some flyers in the post office


Since when is venezuela communist? socialist is more like it and China is at best pseudo-communist

Venezuela is anti-American? I remember something about them offering to send free barrels of oil to help Katrina victims.
Like I said to the other guy, it is very foturnate for those of us who cherish freedom that you are NOT in a position to dictate to the networks what they can and cannot cover. That the Halloway case is still being covered is a decision that is made by the networks. If the networks think it was news, they would not be covering. The networks are, after all, experts at determining what is news.

Like I said to the other guy, it is very foturnate for those of us who cherish freedom that you are NOT in a position to dictate to the networks what they can and cannot cover. That the Halloway case is still being covered is a decision that is made by the networks. If the networks think it was news, they would not be covering. The networks are, after all, experts at determining what is news.

Nice circular reasoning. It is news because it is news. :rolleyes:

Bullshit. Name me a single story of a missing non-white girl that got national coverage. Just one. Hell, name me a story of a missing unpretty girl.


Just One: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/15/national/main1501158.shtml


This one got a lot of attention. The outcome of the search was terrible. And there's the difference-No outcome in the Holloway case yet.

This one DID get plenty of national coverage-deservedly so, too.

The bullshit is back in your court now.

If the networks think it was news, they would not be covering. The networks are, after all, experts at determining what is news.
Thats not true at all. the only thing they are "experts" at is getting ratings. They show the stuff thats sensational.

My thoughts exactly. If the government in Aruba is so corrupt, why did Beth Twitty allow her daughter to travel there? I'm sick of her trying to intervene in the justice system. She should let the cops do their job, and stop condemning men before they've been properly tried.
Like most americans, she probably didn't know much about aruba except that it was some third world island.
Intervening in the justice system? When Aruba's own officials were found to be the ones intervening to block and derail the investigation in the first place. No. It is the Aruban government that is guilty. Not Beth Twitty.


BOYCOTT ARUBA

Well I always hate these stories anyway. The news picks up on some pretty blonde white girl who's gone missing or was murdered, and that becomes the big story for a while. People go missing and die every day. Hell as I type this I think another kidnapping just happened somewhere in the world.

What the media should do is report on stuff that actually affects the viewers, and let the police (not to mention the Aruban government) do their friggen jobs in peace.

i think someone mentioned the sudan.

which brings up another point: the time spent on one girl is a million times more than the hundreds of thousands dead already in the sudan.

off topic: 'o noes, iwhack has weapons!!! they mite hurwt us! wahh!'
oh no, sudan already has killed people! wait, that's only genocide, and besides, its not even amerikans being genocide-d. :rolleyes:

Thats not true at all. the only thing they are "experts" at is getting ratings. They show the stuff thats sensational.
well, fortunately for us Americans, you are not the person who gets to decide what is news and what is sensationalism. If you were, there would be no free speech, no first amendment.

Let's face it, the media chooses the news. Each station has a pet story, sometimes they share one. They create a theme song, an intro, etc, to let you know they're about to cover it (kinda sick). The media wants to create stories that people stay interested in so they will watch more, not just 2-minute stories. Its called doing business

well, fortunately for us Americans, you are not the person who gets to decide what is news and what is sensationalism. If you were, there would be no free speech, no first amendment.

The same would be true if you were the person that decides what is new and what is not. I remember a thread about reporters being traitors ....

i think someone mentioned the sudan.

which brings up another point: the time spent on one girl is a million times more than the hundreds of thousands dead already in the sudan.

off topic: 'o noes, iwhack has weapons!!! they mite hurwt us! wahh!'
oh no, sudan already has killed people! wait, that's only genocide, and besides, its not even amerikans being genocide-d. :rolleyes:


Yeah, The US should really get into the sudan and do something about that. Oh-No, wait.... we're damned if we do something and also damned if we dont.
Maybe we should just squabble about it, sitting on our hands and talk...and talk...and talk, like all our good friends.

well, fortunately for us Americans, you are not the person who gets to decide what is news and what is sensationalism. If you were, there would be no free speech, no first amendment.
LOL
You crack me up Whittier.

:upyours: Her mother has lost a child. If you never want to hear about it, stop watching the news.

How many children go missing every year? How many children have gone missing in the past month? How many of those children have you heard about?

The only reason this got news was because she was an attractive white female. This case got way more coverage than it ever should have.

well, fortunately for us Americans, you are not the person who gets to decide what is news and what is sensationalism. If you were, there would be no free speech, no first amendment.
well, there's no way to argue with excellent logic:rolleyes:

Yeah, The US should really get into the sudan and do something about that. Oh-No, wait.... we're damned if we do something and also damned if we dont.
Maybe we should just squabble about it, sitting on our hands and talk...and talk...and talk, like all our good friends.

sarcasm?

damned and save people and be ridiculed or damned and be ridiculed? easy choice, IMHO

The only reason this got news was because she was an attractive white female. This case got way more coverage than it ever should have.
I dont think she's attractive. ( sorry for the pointless post but I had to throw it in)

I dont think she's attractive. ( sorry for the pointless post but I had to throw it in)

Really? Huh. I thought that she was quite attractive. Not important really.

Anyway, I am still wondering how this case got so much coverage. It really isn't that important of a case. From what I gather, it went like this:

Girl goes to Aruba.
Girl talks to Strangers(First mistake).
Girl gets into car with strangers(Second mistake).
Girl disappears.

Now, I'm not blaiming her for what happened, but she should have been way more intelligent.

Really? Huh. I thought that she was quite attractive. Not important really.

Anyway, I am still wondering how this case got so much coverage. It really isn't that important of a case. From what I gather, it went like this:

Girl goes to Aruba.
Girl talks to Strangers(First mistake).
Girl gets into car with strangers(Second mistake).
Girl disappears.

Now, I'm not blaiming her for what happened, but she should have been way more intelligent.

You're not blaming for what happened, you are just ... .... blaming her for what happened. :rolleyes:

Like most americans, she probably didn't know much about aruba except that it was some third world island.
Intervening in the justice system? When Aruba's own officials were found to be the ones intervening to block and derail the investigation in the first place. No. It is the Aruban government that is guilty. Not Beth Twitty.


BOYCOTT ARUBA

Are you serious? Aruba is not a third-world country! jeez. get some brains! it is what, a dutch colony? like puerto rico. The dutch even sent in f-16s w/ thermal imaging gear to try and find her. I think the case should be toned down. (why doesn't anyone think she may have ran away?)

Just Chill Out.

Like most americans, she probably didn't know much about aruba except that it was some third world island.
Intervening in the justice system? When Aruba's own officials were found to be the ones intervening to block and derail the investigation in the first place. No. It is the Aruban government that is guilty. Not Beth Twitty.


BOYCOTT ARUBA

Try, please try, to retain your grip on reality.

You're not blaming for what happened, you are just ... .... blaming her for what happened. :rolleyes:

Not what I meant. If she were to be found alive(Quite unlikely, but it's a hypothetical), she should not be held responsible in any way, shape, or form. Those whom abducted her should. They are the ones to blaim.

However, she still should have excercised some basic intelligence here. Had she, she this may not have happened. It is important to exercise intelligence, especially when in an area you are unfamiliar with.

Like most americans, she probably didn't know much about aruba except that it was some third world island.
Intervening in the justice system? When Aruba's own officials were found to be the ones intervening to block and derail the investigation in the first place. No. It is the Aruban government that is guilty. Not Beth Twitty.


BOYCOTT ARUBA
did you see the part about the govt/judge illegally detaining the suspects? with no warrant?

or the fact that aruba is not independant? or third world?
hell, its not even close.

yes, because one little girl gives us a reason to stop trading with them. by the way, we dont trade with them. we send them tourists.

which apparantly arent always smart.

Not what I meant. If she were to be found alive(Quite unlikely, but it's a hypothetical), she should not be held responsible in any way, shape, or form. Those whom abducted her should. They are the ones to blaim.

However, she still should have excercised some basic intelligence here. Had she, she this may not have happened. It is important to exercise intelligence, especially when in an area you are unfamiliar with.

I agree