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TEL AVIV, Israel - After Hamas defended a deadly suicide bombing Monday, Israel's U.N. ambassador warned that recent statements by the Palestinian government, Iran and Syria "are clear declarations of war, and I urge each and every one of you to listen carefully and take them at face value."


Ambassador Dan Gillerman cautioned that a new "axis of terror" — Iran, Syria and the Hamas-run Palestinian government — was sowing the seeds of the first world war of the 21st century.

"A dark cloud is looming above our region, and it is metastasizing as a result of the statements and actions by leaders of Iran, Syria, and the newly elected government of the Palestinian Authority," he said.


Well...what do you guys think?

What do you make of this situation?

Will it bring the world to war?

How can it be resolved?

Da link, of course. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060418/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians)

I don't think there will be war. The US is tied up in Iraq, Israel (I hope) isn't stupid enough to instigate anything (the last time they tried it was a disaster), and Syria and Iran are not about to give either an excuse to attack them.

I oppose all states, and favor no state over any other in any war, except in certain extreme circumstances that are not present here. I support fully all movements in Israel, Palestine, Syria, Iran, and everywhere seeking greater self-determination and justice.

I'm giving long odds the US goes to war with Iran.

I'm giving long odds the US goes to war with Iran.

But what about Hamas, Syria and Israel?

I don't think there will be war. The US is tied up in Iraq, Israel (I hope) isn't stupid enough to instigate anything (the last time they tried it was a disaster), and Syria and Iran are not about to give either an excuse to attack them.

But Syria and Iran are giving Israel, Europe and America excuses to attack them.

I oppose all states, and favor no state over any other in any war, except in certain extreme circumstances that are not present here. I support fully all movements in Israel, Palestine, Syria, Iran, and everywhere seeking greater self-determination and justice.

Thats all fine and dandy, but its just not reality.

But Syria and Iran are giving Israel, Europe and America excuses to attack them.

No, they're not, except when Ahmadinejad says certain stupid things. Syria has done very little, except for the crime of having as a part of its population people who see the Iraq-Syria border as irrelevant and abstract. Iran is seeking nukes, but that is intended not to provoke the US and Israel, but to deter them.

Thats all fine and dandy, but its just not reality.

What is not reality?

the isreali millitary/security forces are kick ass, but i dont think they can take on their oppenents alone. we will just have to see what happens, the world is set to end in a couple of years anyway;)

i dont think we will ever get a straight story from Iran, all i can say is that if Iran does attack Isreal and the United States isnt in rubble, all US citizens over 18 expect to be drafted

The only axis of terror is Israel itself. If war is started(probably by israel) there would be massive problems for all sides

The only axis of terror is Israel itself. If war is started(probably by israel) there would be massive problems for all sides

GAH! REALITY IS CRUMBLING!

I actually quarter-agree with you!

It wouldn't be a good thing.

However, Israel wouldn't start this war. They're stupid, yes, but thay are not maniacs.

Let the maniacs duke it out. The real crime is that they're fighting with our money. *sigh*

Let the maniacs duke it out. The real crime is that they're fighting with our money. *sigh*
Aye.

Let the maniacs duke it out. The real crime is that they're fighting with our money. *sigh*

Unless it is truly needed, it is a good idea to stop a war.

Let the maniacs duke it out. The real crime is that they're fighting with our money. *sigh*

With our oil under their sand, we have to make sure that they can kill each other as efficiently as possible. Otherwise they'll never let us pull it out from under their feet!

With our oil under their sand, we have to make sure that they can kill each other as efficiently as possible. Otherwise they'll never let us pull it out from under their feet!
thats the spirit:p

thats the spirit:p

Aha!!!1!!111!!

I knew it1!11!!111

You're only there for oil!11!!!11!1!!1

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(Actually, I think that's part of it. Not all of it though.)

At least it's more accurate than Bush's Axis. iran, Iraq and North Korea? They weren't even working together.

Unless it is truly needed, it is a good idea to stop a war.

They've been at war for almost 2000 years. It's all they know.

Ambassador Dan Gillerman cautioned that a new "axis of terror" — Iran, Syria and the Hamas-run Palestinian government — was sowing the seeds of the first world war of the 21st century.

"A dark cloud is looming above our region, and it is metastasizing as a result of the statements and actions by leaders of Iran, Syria, and the newly elected government of the Palestinian Authority," he said.


Well...what do you guys think?

What do you make of this situation?

Will it bring the world to war?

How can it be resolved?



This is merely a rhetoric effort on the part of the Israeli government due to the uncertainity that comes with no longer being the only nuclear power in the Middle East. Now that MAD is in effect (well, not really, as it is doubtful that Iran is on the fast track to the bomb, it requires a high level of enrichment to make a bomb, 90%, as compared to the 2% for a civilian reactor, not to mention that they have to create a nice chunk to make a bomb), Israel no longer has a "guarantee" against attack. But, including the PLA as part of this suggests to me land grab; Hamas' power as a terrorist group is nutured by actually having to run a nation (hard to be a shady organization when you actually have a capital).
Will this go anywhere?
No. Israel has too moderate of leadership to act on anything, and America is far too overextended to invade Iran unless they can get a U.N. force. Not much America could use as a carrot to draw another "Colalition of the Willing" out of the hat.

With our oil under their sand, we have to make sure that they can kill each other as efficiently as possible. Otherwise they'll never let us pull it out from under their feet!

Actually, that's what our money buys from the Islamic side. I haven't figured out what it's buying from the Jewish side. Maybe it's just to keep the war entertaining. :p

They've been at war for almost 2000 years. It's all they know.

Longer than that. Moses and Joshua leading the Israelites into Judea/Israel was more than 2000 years ago. Not to mention the intermitant warfare that occured before the Hebrews went to Egypt.

Actually, that's what our money buys from the Islamic side. I haven't figured out what it's buying from the Jewish side. Maybe it's just to keep the war entertaining. :p

Must be weapons.

Maybe salvation?

They've been at war for almost 2000 years. It's all they know.

Why can't you just give them al lthis "holy land" or whatever?

Must be weapons.

Maybe salvation?

Salvation through bloodshed? No thanks. I'll just donate canned goods to my church food drive. :p

Why can't you just give them al lthis "holy land" or whatever?

Let em have it. It's a miserable crust of dirt. ANything 'holy' about that place washed away in blood long ago.

Let em have it. It's a miserable crust of dirt. ANything 'holy' about that place washed away in blood long ago.

well to some it is all the blood that was spilled there that makes it holy

Salvation through bloodshed? No thanks. I'll just donate canned goods to my church food drive. :p

No. More like an indulgence. We give them money, they forgive us for letting them rot in Concentration camps for half a decade... on top of Centuries of persecution. Because they are God's Chosen People, and they forgive us for harming them, we get to be saved.

That they spend their money on weapons to kill Arabs is none of our business. (Just like how the money given to the Palestinians by Syria and Iran being used to blow up Israeli fast food joints is none of our business either.)

well to some it is all the blood that was spilled there that makes it holy

Some people are fuckin' stupid. :p

No. More like an indulgence. We give them money, they forgive us for letting them rot in Concentration camps for half a decade... on top of Centuries of persecution. Because they are God's Chosen People, and they forgive us for harming them, we get to be saved.

That they spend their money on weapons to kill Arabs is none of our business. (Just like how the money given to the Palestinians by Syria and Iran being used to blow up Israeli fast food joints is none of our business either.)

And malls. They like to blow up malls. In the name of freedom. :p

I think the canned goods are easier to understand.

And malls. They like to blow up malls. In the name of freedom. :p

I think the canned goods are easier to understand.

Malls? I thought it was mostly buses and night clubs.

Malls? I thought it was mostly buses and night clubs.

Malls and pool halls too. Anywhere fun.

Malls and pool halls too. Anywhere fun.

Most malls have major security now, so they are some of the safer places. A lot of them have metal detectors and guards now from what I hear.

Of course, that is a result of the fact that malls were prime targets for so long.

At least it's more accurate than Bush's Axis. iran, Iraq and North Korea? They weren't even working together.

Sort of agree.

While I view the nations on Bushes axis as threats....countries like Iran and North Korea should have been delt with LONG before we invaded Iraq.

the isreali millitary/security forces are kick ass, but i dont think they can take on their oppenents alone. we will just have to see what happens, the world is set to end in a couple of years anyway;)

I think you'll find that the Isreali "security forces" are essentially the Gestapo, and it's a bit inappropriate to support them.

I think you'll find that the Isreali "security forces" are essentially the Gestapo, and it's a bit inappropriate to support them.

Untrue and terrible opinion.

The Israeli security forces do what they have to do to ensure that Israelis and tourists alike dont get blown up by some mad arab in a fast food resturaunt.

How is it inappropriate to support them?

I wonder if Israel is dipping its militaristic toe in international waters to see how the world will react to its proclamation of this "axis of terror". If the world doesn't really show any kind of difficulty with Israel's reasoning, then perhaps the country is planning on something a little more... direct with its enemies. An invasion of Syria perhaps, to root out terrorists hiding there, planning to suicide bomb Israeli targets? They are saying that a state under threat has the right to take steps to protect itself and invading a country that allegedly harbors terrorists would be as Israel could argue in its national security to find the terrorists that Syria seems to be refusing to deal with.
I'm sure that Israel would be arrogant enough to feel that they could conquer Syria with no real difficulty given the aid the U.S. gives to its military.

Untrue and terrible opinion.

The Israeli security forces do what they have to do to ensure that Israelis and tourists alike dont get blown up by some mad arab in a fast food resturaunt.

How is it inappropriate to support them?

I thought that it was the Security Forces who did the whole bulldozing the Palestianians' houses and picking them off stuff.

Sorry if I'm wrong about that.

I thought that it was the Security Forces who did the whole bulldozing the Palestianians' houses and picking them off stuff.

Sorry if I'm wrong about that.

They bulldoze the houses of terrorists.

I see nothing wrong in that.

They bulldoze the houses of terrorists.

I see nothing wrong in that.
I do.
Those terrorist usually blow themselves up.
So what's the point in destroying their houses? They won't be using it anymore.

They bulldoze the houses of terrorists.

I see nothing wrong in that.
Interesting how when they bulldoze house of terrorist with their civilian family inside or when they fire a missle that kills 12 persons (one of which was the intended terrorist target), you see this a collateral dammage but when a Palestinian blows up a restaurant, then they suddenly were all civilian targets and casualties.

I bloody see something wrong with bulldozing a house that doesn't belong to you.

I do.
Those terrorist usually blow themselves up.
So what's the point in destroying their houses? They won't be using it anymore.

To get a message across.

"Dont fuck with our peopel and we wont fuck with yours"

To get a message across.

"Dont fuck with our peopel and we wont fuck with yours"
that could go the other way...

that could go the other way...

It could...only it doesnt because Israeli attacks are RETALIATIONS against arab attacks.

It could...only it doesnt because Israeli attacks are RETALIATIONS against arab attacks.
That could also go the other way......

That could also go the other way......

It could but...oh wait...it cant.

Israelis bulldozing and air strikes have always been in retaliation of arab attacks.

Bumpidy Bumpidy

I'm gonna go ahead and reply to the origonal topic. There is no way in hell this will escalate into a world war. It might in the sense that there are countries from each continent involved, but the sheer magnitute of the last two wars cannot be matched. We will fight on Israel's side, no question about that. Who could possibly fight against us? We would bulldoze the Arabs. As for the US being to overextended too invade Iran, thats just stupid. We only have about 27% of our military overseas, (That means not only Iraq), and of that, more then half of them are actully fighting. So that leaves us with around 17% of our forces in Iraq. I don't think thats overextended.

As long as this whole WWIII shit happens next year, after my brother comes home. I hate how Bush is saying he'll use force if needed.. did the citizens of America say his dumbass could say that?? We don't want to get nuked, you fucking 'tard. :headbang:

Zukariaa']As long as this whole WWIII shit happens next year, after my brother comes home. I hate how Bush is saying he'll use force if needed.. did the citizens of America say his dumbass could say that?? We don't want to get nuked, you fucking 'tard. :headbang:

Who is going to nuke the USA?