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Im a complete metalhead, and I think everyone should be, cause rap and pop and country all suck, among others. How many more like me are there here

Broaden your horizons. Open your mind.

Take me, for instance: I love both Hardcore Punk Rock and Prog Rock. I also like Classical, namely Mozart.

Indie rocker here.

Real metal is quite good. Fake pop shit may as well be Brittany Spears as far as I'm concerned.

I'm big on Hardcore Punk, Street Punk, Ska, Folk, and (some) Power Metal. Mostly Punk or political stuff, but as long as it isn't pop, I can bear it.

Im a complete metalhead, and I think everyone should be, cause rap and pop and country all suck, among others. How many more like me are there here
Do we have to have this debate all over again? I only took part in it over the last few days!

Hang on a sec...

Intangelon? Where are you?! Please educate this man! :p

look at the name.
take a wild guess.




you'd be wrong :p
clicky (http://www.last.fm/user/PureMetal/)

Im a complete metalhead, and I think everyone should be, cause rap and pop and country all suck, among others. How many more like me are there here


Rap and pop suck. But Country is very cool. But it's just my opinion.

well, maybe I shouldn't have said COMPLETE metalhead, cause I'm in to classical and punk as well, but my music selection is dominated by metal

When I hear I sound I like, I listen to it. I don’t bother worrying about what genre it's in, nor do I care. Music is music.

Currently, I regularly listen to The Killers, Ben Folds, Green Day, Alabama, an Americana radio station and The Flaming Lips.

Green Day
EMO ALERT! EMO ALERT! EMO ALERT! EMO ALERT! EMO ALERT!
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

tempted to say Rock (all genres they all have there own charm) but unfortunately the best Genre also excels at being the worst

Death metal. And electronica.

Right now the main stuff that I listen to are metal and rock although I do agree with the Undelia in that if I hear something I like I could care less what the genre is.

A lot of metal really, really sucks. Just like a lot of rap or country really, really sucks.

A lot of metal really, really sucks. Just like a lot of rap or country really, really sucks.
That sounds familiar...

EMO ALERT! EMO ALERT! EMO ALERT! EMO ALERT! EMO ALERT!
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
:p lol.

Everything except prog rock.

Everything except prog rock.
How can you not like prog?!

That sounds familiar...

I might've posted the same thing in one of the other 85 billion threads of this nature. Invariably someone posts "Man, all rap sucks! Rock is so much better, yeah!"

How can you not like prog?!

By listening to it.

I might've posted the same thing in one of the other 85 billion threads of this nature. Invariably someone posts "Man, all rap sucks! Rock is so much better, yeah!"
Yeah, I was commenting on the numerous posts of that nature in the most recent thread.

By listening to it.
*shakes head* No taste...

I maintain that the best genre is European femmetal. It combines metal with (for the most part) classically trained female leads. Sometimes, they will alternate with the growling males so common in metal. This technique sometimes is labeled "b&b metal."
Good examples are Nightwish, Within Temptation, After Forever, Oratory, Sirenia, Tristania.

I maintain that the best genre is European femmetal. It combines metal with (for the most part) classically trained female leads. Sometimes, they will alternate with the growling males so common in metal. This technique sometimes is labeled "b&b metal."
Good examples are Nightwish, Within Temptation, After Forever, Oratory, Sirenia, Tristania.
Mmmm...Cristina Scabbia...;)
Not actually classically trained, I don't think, but she's smoking hot.

*shakes head* No taste...

When I hear prog rock, I can't help but think that the musicians have done mountains of work to hide that they have no natural talent.

Mmmm...Cristina Scabbia...;)
Not actually classically trained, I don't think, but she's smoking hot.
Lacuna Coil is good too, but seriously, try Nightwish.

When I hear prog rock, I can't help but think that the musicians have done mountains of work to hide that they have no natural talent.
I'm not going to bother getting into an argument over what boils down to personal preference. I think that most prog rock requires a considerable amount of skill and talent, in different ways to, say, punk. But I'll leave it at that. I prefer prog metal to prog rock.

Lacuna Coil is good too, but seriously, try Nightwish.
Nah, don't particularly like Nightwish. Or Within Temptation actually. Not heard the others, but if they're similar to those two, I probably won't like them. When it comes to metal, I'm more into prog, death and thrash.

well id have to say most rock is good unless its too light... U2, bowling for soup, too light. violent femmes, sex pistols, the offspring... amazing. who else plays guitar?

When I hear prog rock, I can't help but think that the musicians have done mountains of work to hide that they have no natural talent.

Wow. How can you say that when Prog has guys like Geddy Lee, Alex Lifeson, and Neil Peart?

Those three have a literal mountain of talent.

Frank Zappa is the best musician of all time. Ever. Period. End of discussion. Etched in stone. Forever. Infinity.:)

Nah, don't particularly like Nightwish. Or Within Temptation actually. Not heard the others, but if they're similar to those two, I probably won't like them. When it comes to metal, I'm more into prog, death and thrash.
After Forever is actually pretty hard for this genre, and they have the male screaming. But, they also manage to include a SATB choir and some orchestrated stuff. Oratory is power metal. Sirenia and Tristania are male led, with only some female vocals. There
almost doom metal. Not quite. More goth influenced.
So are you more partial to American metal, like Lamb of God or Norma Jean? Or the European stuff?

Those three have a literal mountain of talent.

I won't deny that, but I was referring to natural talent. Many prog rock bands are unmatched in technical proficiency, but I don't think any of them had the gift of melody.

I won't deny that, but I was referring to natural talent. Many prog rock bands are unmatched in technical proficiency, but I don't think any of them had the gift of melody.

Wh-wh-wh-WHAT? There's no bassist who can craft a tune like Geddy Lee, and not many guitarists can come up with such memorable riffs like Alex Lifeson (Red Barchetta, anyone?).

And drums are really out of the question, because they're almost totally proficiency-based.

After Forever is actually pretty hard for this genre, and they have the male screaming. But, they also manage to include a SATB choir and some orchestrated stuff. Oratory is power metal. Sirenia and Tristania are male led, with only some female vocals. There
almost doom metal. Not quite. More goth influenced.
So are you more partial to American metal, like Lamb of God or Norma Jean? Or the European stuff?
Some of the bands I like:
Tool, Soulfly, SOAD, Nile, Deftones, Lacuna Coil, Apocalyptica, Dream Theater, Rammstein, Fear Factory, Thrice, Iron Maiden, Opeth, Trivium, Killing Joke, Arch Enemy.

Music just way too subjective, I mean some people don't like The Beatles. True, these people should be shot, but they do exist.

I came as a rat, but now I'm free from the sun's stare, free from the noise of lost souls.

Some of the bands I like:
Tool, Soulfly, SOAD, Nile, Deftones, Lacuna Coil, Apocalyptica, Dream Theater, Rammstein, Fear Factory, Thrice, Iron Maiden, Opeth, Trivium, Killing Joke, Arch Enemy.

Thrice are pretty good. They're a lot like Husker Du.

Wh-wh-wh-WHAT? There's no bassist who can craft a tune like Geddy Lee, and not many guitarists can come up with such memorable riffs like Alex Lifeson (Red Barchetta, anyone?).

And drums are really out of the question, because they're almost totally proficiency-based.

It's all opinion, I guess.

But I would rather listen to some musician beating on pots and pans (Tom Waits) or mutilating a guitar (Kurt Cobain) than listen to Prog. It just isn't catchy at all to me. They got the style but not the grace, to paraphrase Mr. Waits.

Music just way too subjective, I mean some people don't like The Beatles. True, these people should be shot, but they do exist.
The Beatles are vastly overrated. I could name 100 bands better than them. You'd probably disagree, but as you said, it's subjective.

The Beatles are vastly overrated. I could name 100 bands better than them. You'd probably disagree, but as you said, it's subjective.

I'd like to hear 20 without clutching at straws

It just isn't catchy at all to me. They got the style but not the grace, to paraphrase Mr. Waits.

You ever listened to Moving Pictures? That album is full of catchy riffs. Heh, every album of theirs from 1976 to 1982 is like that.

2112 - 1976
A Farewell To Kings - 1977
Hemispheres - 1978
Permanent Waves - 1980
Moving Pictures - 1981
Signals - 1982

Their stuff prior to '76 was a lot like Led Zeppelin, but even more technical (with a bigger bass presence). Their work after 1982 is really indescribable, but the technicality of it is unbelievable.

But, as you said, it all comes down to taste. Still, Rush are full of grace and catchiness.

I'd like to hear 20 without clutching at straws
Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Chuck Berry, Robert Johnson, The Kinks, The Who, Rolling Stones, David Bowie, Bob Dylan, Cream, Blondie, Joy Division, Radiohead, Bauhaus, Yes, Laibach, Nine Inch Nails, Rage Against The Machine, The Ramones, The Clash.

And 65daysofstatic. :D

Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Chuck Berry, Robert Johnson, The Kinks, The Who, Rolling Stones, David Bowie, Bob Dylan, Cream, Blondie, Joy Division, Radiohead, Bauhaus, Yes, Laibach, Nine Inch Nails, Rage Against The Machine, The Ramones, The Clash.

And 65daysofstatic. :D

Sex Pistols, Rush, Black Sabbath, Husker Du, and the Dead Kennedys.

Just thought I'd add five more to your list. :p

Sex Pistols, Rush, Black Sabbath, Husker Du, and the Dead Kennedys.

Just thought I'd add five more to your list. :p
Heh. Thanks. He only asked for 20 to start with. Three of those would have gone in the next 20 (Sex Pistols, Husker Du, Dead Kennedys). I've not heard enough of the other two.

Heh. Thanks. He only asked for 20 to start with. Three of those would have gone in the next 20 (Sex Pistols, Husker Du, Dead Kennedys). I've not heard enough of the other two.

I find it hard to believe that you've never heard of Rush or Black Sabbath...

I find it hard to believe that you've never heard of Rush or Black Sabbath...
I've heard of them, I've just not heard enough of their music.

Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Chuck Berry, Robert Johnson, The Kinks, The Who, Rolling Stones, David Bowie, Bob Dylan, Cream, Blondie, Joy Division, Radiohead, Bauhaus, Yes, Laibach, Nine Inch Nails, Rage Against The Machine, The Ramones, The Clash.

And 65daysofstatic. :D

I'm the loudest supporter of anything remotely to do with New Order (second only to the Beatles in my mind) but Joy Division don't deserve to be up there (don't actually deserve to be ahead of New Order tbh) . NIN, RATM and a few others are hilarious, other great bands up there that simply aren't the same level.

Beatles simply so good, not just because of the quality but of how that quality was mantained through all that quantity. Their best songs are often their least none ones.

I'm the loudest supporter of anything remotely to do with New Order (second only to the Beatles in my mind) but Joy Division don't deserve to be up there (don't actually deserve to be ahead of New Order tbh) . NIN, RATM and a few others are hilarious, other great bands up there that simply aren't the same level.

Beatles simply so good, not just because of the quality but of how that quality was mantained through all that quantity. Their best songs are often their least none ones.
As much as I'd normally be willing to argue, it's half 1, and I'm tired. Plus I only argued this a few days ago in another thread. You already said yourself that music is subjective, so why are you bothering to argue?

Having said that, you're out of your mind if you think New Order are better than Joy Division.

Look, I know dying makes you ten times better in everyone's eyes but it has gone on too far with Ian Curtis. Joy Division aren't half the band New Order are.

LWTUA and Disorder aside, they had nothing that can compete with Blue Monday, True Faith, Bizzare Love Triangle, Regreat, Love Vigillantes, Temptation, Crystal, Turn, Run and they didn't have half the variety or innovation of NO

Look, I know dying makes you ten times better in everyone's eyes but it has gone on too far with Ian Curtis. Joy Division aren't half the band New Order are.

LWTUA and Disorder aside, they had nothing that can compete with Blue Monday, True Faith, Bizzare Love Triangle, Regreat, Love Vigillantes, Temptation, Crystal, Turn, Run and they didn't have half the variety or innovation of NO
In fairness, they were around for about 5 years as opposed to 25 and only released 2 albums as opposed to fuck-knows-how-many. Unknown Pleasures is one of the best albums released by any British band ever.

New Order are going to be remembered for World In Motion and the John Barnes rap.

By the way...have you seen the video for True Faith? WTF is going on there?

acoustic rock

Joy Division COULD have been the greater band, but they weren't

And NO have always had rubbish videos but apparantly the story is they chucked a few quid at the director and told him to do what he wanted. The record company insisted they had at least some footage of the band or it wouldn't get played. Though you only ever see like the leg of Hooky iirc

I've always been of the opinion that the Beattles were vastly, vastly overrated and musically boring. They were, IMO, the quintescential mindless pop-rockers of their era.

Joy Division COULD have been the greater band, but they weren't

And NO have always had rubbish videos but apparantly the story is they chucked a few quid at the director and told him to do what he wanted. The record company insisted they had at least some footage of the band or it wouldn't get played. Though you only ever see like the leg of Hooky iirc
Joy Division are the greater band. They had 5 songs in John Peel's Millennial Festive 50. Out of all the ways you can compare bands, fan adoration is possibly one of the strongest, and you don't get much stronger than the general public claiming you have 10% of the best 50 songs of the 20th century

Waiting for the boring comment :D

They were revolutionary, experimental, varied - just the exact opposite of boring. People look back on them and now that they've been copied to death it seems like they use every trick in the book. But what they forget is they wrote that book.

Joy Division are the greater band. They had 5 songs in John Peel's Millennial Festive 50. Out of all the ways you can compare bands, fan adoration is possibly one of the strongest, and you don't get much stronger than the general public claiming you have 10% of the best 50 songs of the 20th century

Didn't the Sex Pistols have like four? I know that's just under five, but then, the Pistols only wrote 15 total songs as a band. That's a rather high percentage of classics.

Joy Division are the greater band. They had 5 songs in John Peel's Millennial Festive 50. Out of all the ways you can compare bands, fan adoration is possibly one of the strongest, and you don't get much stronger than the general public claiming you have 10% of the best 50 songs of the 20th century

It's honestly the dying thing - see Nirvana.

Hating on a genre of music because you don't like a lot of its artists is like cutting off your fingers because they aren't the ones you point with very often. There's always some use for them if you look hard enough and it's not worth all the whining on the internet.

Waiting for the boring comment :D

They were revolutionary, experimental, varied - just the exact opposite of boring. People look back on them and now that they've been copied to death it seems like they use every trick in the book. But what they forget is they wrote that book.

Everything they did well was stolen from older music as well, so that won't fly either. There's nothing new under the sun (and despite what certain music snobs who will remain unnamed might tell you: the older something becomes, the more overrated it becomes), and the Beattles clung to the same old stubborn musical sameness that every songwriter before them had.

Heavy Metal is the best genre..specially the bands like Avenged Sevenfold who have amazing guitar riffs.

Heavy Metal is the best genre..specially the bands like Avenged Sevenfold who have amazing guitar riffs.

Ugh. There is no "best" genre. It's all totally subjective.

Everything they did well was stolen from older music as well, so that won't fly either. There's nothing new under the sun (and despite what certain music snobs who will remain unnamed might tell you: the older something becomes, the more overrated it becomes), and the Beattles clung to the same old stubborn musical sameness that every songwriter before them had.

Well, no, they didn't invent music but they were huge innovators and for their time were massively varied. They're a huge influence even today.

My favorite genres recently would be pop/rock and country-rock.

Some bands:

Gram Parsons, Wilco, The Decemberists, The Shins, Destroyer, The Walkmen, Iron and Wine, Neko Case, Uncle Tupelo, Flying Burrito Brothers, The Bottle Rockets, Whiskeytown, My Morning Jacket, Band of Horses

Bluegrass all the way

Well, no, they didn't invent music but they were huge innovators and for their time were massively varied. They're a huge influence even today.

Doesn't make them any less dull to accustomed ear.

Doesn't make them any less dull to accustomed ear.

Well, judging them by todays standards is always going to be unfair given how influencial their ideas have been. Oasis were pretty much a Beatles tribute band and still achieved massive success

Doesn't make them any less dull to accustomed ear.

You have to be kidding me. Revolver is probably the most diverse album ever. You could not possibly call that a dull listen.

Hell, listen to the first three tracks on the White Album, and a sense of any dullness is shot to hell.

Well, no, they didn't invent music but they were huge innovators and for their time were massively varied. They're a huge influence even today.
They weren't 'huge innovators'. If they were, then so are the Arctic Monkeys. They were typical of their time.

They weren't 'huge innovators'. If they were, then so are the Arctic Monkeys. They were typical of their time.

That is just a silly comment.

My favorite genre is any genre in which extraordinary skill and creativity are a requirement. That's why I stick with classical music. Metal and rap may be cool now, but it won't be long before they fade into obscurity once they go out of style. Bach's work is almost 300 years and its still going strong (well, sort of). The classical composers had a kind of quality you just don't see very often these days.

i like classic rock, like Lynyrd Skynyrd, Led Zepplin, Cream, Allman Brothers, Marshall Tucker Band, ect.

But whoever said country sucks doesnt know real country and is probably talking about like Toby Keith and shit, need to listen to good ole Honky Tonk shit

Im a complete metalhead, and I think everyone should be, cause rap and pop and country all suck, among others. How many more like me are there here

There's an abundance of shit metal out there too...

...that said, I mainly listen to metal, varying shades of rock, and the blues. But I like a bit of hip-hop, so eat my nuts. :p

eat my nuts. :p

I can't. I'm already eating Mexican right now.

I can't. I'm already eating Mexican right now.

Was I talking to you? Huh? HUH?!?

Was I talking to you? Huh? HUH?!?

...Yes?

Im a complete metalhead, and I think everyone should be, cause rap and pop and country all suck, among others. How many more like me are there here?
And therein lies your problem: why would anyone give a fuck what you think we should like?

Of course you're free to like whatever you wish and tout it's glory to the heavens above, but that's just your opinion and means anything only to you. Try to dictate musical taste and you'll find yourself drawing a lot of well-deserved flak for your effort.

As for "what's the best", that one of the most completely subjective questions on the planet with regard to aesthetics and therefore has no meaningful answer to anyone outside the cranium of the person answering the question. There is no objective best. If you mean "what do all of you think is the best", then allow me to suggest that you type that if you're looking for others' opinions.

Didn't General just do this in another thread?

I can't. I'm already eating Mexican right now.
Mexican food, or a Mexican?

...Yes?

No! Now go stand in the corner.

...and lick the wall.

Mexican food, or a Mexican?

Food.

Do we have to have this debate all over again? I only took part in it over the last few days!

Hang on a sec...

Intangelon? Where are you?! Please educate this man! :p
Sorry I'm late...;)

Didn't General just do this in another thread?
Yep. Hence this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10781327&postcount=5).
Edit: :p

No! Now go stand in the corner.

...and lick the wall.

*grabs gun and aims at own head*

*other arm fights gun arm to prevent me from killing myself*

*fires off gun in multiple directions during the struggle*

*finally aims gun at head and pulls trigger*

*gun is empty*

*notices rather large window*

*runs for it and jumps out*

*hits ground two floors below, gives thumbs up, and dies*

I've heard of them, I've just not heard enough of their music.

....

That's it, i'm including some Sabbath CD-Rs with that chocolate. :p

Waiting for the boring comment :D

They were revolutionary, experimental, varied - just the exact opposite of boring. People look back on them and now that they've been copied to death it seems like they use every trick in the book. But what they forget is they wrote that book.
They most certainly did not. Rearranging and re-positioning sounds, notes and chords that had been there for hundreds of years is not writing a book, it's paraphrasing at best. Are they among the greatest paraphrasers? Yes.

I've always been of the opinion that the Beattles were vastly, vastly overrated and musically boring. They were, IMO, the quintescential mindless pop-rockers of their era.
In their early "mop-top" phase, I wholeheartedly agree. From Sgt. Pepper on, though, you're way off the mark.

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That's it, i'm including some Sabbath CD-Rs with that chocolate. :p
Heh. Sweet! If you want, just give me some recommendations, and I'll download 'em.

Everything they did well was stolen from older music as well, so that won't fly either. There's nothing new under the sun (and despite what certain music snobs who will remain unnamed might tell you: the older something becomes, the more overrated it becomes), and the Beattles clung to the same old stubborn musical sameness that every songwriter before them had.
You're becoming dangerously obtuse.

Let's look at it from the perspective of influence. Both as a group and as individual musicians, the Beatles have had, and continue to have, a solid and palpable influence on more than one genre. Beatles tunes have been covered more times than anyone else's since the days of George Gershwin and Tin Pan Alley. They've been covered in just about every genre from Jazz (John Pizzarelli, Horace Silver, Wynton Marsalis, and even Mel Torme have sung Beatles tunes) to Classical (Yo Yo Ma, The King's Singers, and countless others have re-worked Beatles tunes into styles from madrigals to Baroque sonatas and theme & variation pieces), to steel drums, for cryin' out loud. I don't care if you don't like them (which is really your issue), you cannot deny their influence, nor can you deny the staying power of their music and its adaptability to any number of forms. Could you make a choral work out of something by New Order? Probably -- lots of good arrangers out there -- but would you want to hear it? Would it draw on the inherent musicality of the source material and be able to fit in the choral idiom? Probably not.

Heh. Sweet! If you want, just give me some recommendations, and I'll download 'em.

I generally go for albums over songs, in which case I think Paranoid is their best, but Black Sabbath and Master of Reality are almost as good. I don't have any of their post-Ozzy stuff.

If I were to pick out songs.... "Black Sabbath", "The Wizard", "N.I.B", "Paranoid", "Electric Funeral", "War Pigs", "Fairies Wear Boots", "Sweet Leaf", "Children of the Grave" and "Into The Void" are probably the best from those three albums. But you might as well hear them in their entireity :p

I generally go for albums over songs, in which case I think Paranoid is their best, but Black Sabbath and Master of Reality are almost as good. I don't have any of their post-Ozzy stuff.

If I were to pick out songs.... "Black Sabbath", "The Wizard", "N.I.B", "Paranoid", "Electric Funeral", "War Pigs", "Fairies Wear Boots", "Sweet Leaf", "Children of the Grave" and "Into The Void" are probably the best from those three albums. But you might as well hear them in their entireity :p
Making their way to my hard drive as I type this.

Making their way to my hard drive as I type this.

Whoo! Let me know what you think tomorrow, i'm going to bed. :p

Making their way to my hard drive as I type this.

And get some Rush while you're at it.

"Finding My Way", "Working Man", "Anthem", "By-Tor and the Snow Dog", "Fly By Night", "Bastille Day", "Lakeside Park", "Bacchus Plateau", "2112" (all parts), "A Passage to Bangkok", "A Farewell to Kings", "Xanadu", "Closer to the Heart", "Cinderella Man", "Cygnus X-1", "Hemispheres", "The Trees", "The Spirit of Radio", "Different Strings", "Tom Sawyer", "Red Barchetta", "YYZ", "Limelight", "The Camera Eye", "Witch Hunt", "Vital Signs", "The Analog Kid", "Digital Man", and "New World Man".

Those are the best songs from their early albums. The stuff from their later albums is a bit harder to get in to, mostly because it's so much more technical and subdued.

My favorite types of music are Symphonic Metal and Power Metal. SOmetimes I listen to classical music (more move score-esque) and a few things like They Might Be Giants. My favorite band at the moment is Blind Guardian. I'm not really a big fan of modern pop music (a lot of it all sounds the same these days) or rap (although I've just heard what's played on the radio)

Madonna!!

Madonna!!

Oh god, no.

And get some Rush while you're at it.
I've just started 2112, Hemispheres, and Moving Pictures. Good start?

I've just started 2112, Hemispheres, and Moving Pictures. Good start?

Quite. Albums in their entirety are better than songs by themselves.

If you want the full story of Hemispheres, you'll want A Farewell To Kings to go along with it. The closing song, "Cygnus X-1", is the first part of Hemispheres.

When someones band strives for a certain sound (punk, metal, goth, country...), they are just ripping someone else off that created the sound (or someone else that also ripped said sound off). There are so few original bands (sounds) out there that I really only like a few although my tastes go across the entire spectrum of music.

It's sad how crappy todays popular music is (that includes popular "underground" that isn't played on commercial radio)

Loud music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la2c3wU0oJM&search=Scooter%20-%20Maria), yar.

http://imagegen.last.fm/Geldropdown-small/oartists/Riolama.gif (http://www.last.fm/user/Riolama/?chartstyle=Geldropdown-small)

These threads have been so much easier since I discovered last.fm :p

My musical tastes vary wildly depending on my mood. Artists on my "recently played" list include Rage Against the Machine, Fourplay, Dvorak, Dream Theater, Aretha Franklin, Tristan Prettyman, Metallica, Cartel, Benny Goodman and Swollen Members.

It's sad how crappy todays popular music is (that includes popular "underground" that isn't played on commercial radio)

I know. I've given up on modern music, myself.

I generally go for albums over songs, in which case I think Paranoid is their best, but Black Sabbath and Master of Reality are almost as good. I don't have any of their post-Ozzy stuff.

If I were to pick out songs.... "Black Sabbath", "The Wizard", "N.I.B", "Paranoid", "Electric Funeral", "War Pigs", "Fairies Wear Boots", "Sweet Leaf", "Children of the Grave" and "Into The Void" are probably the best from those three albums. But you might as well hear them in their entireity :p

Screw Black Sabbath, I say you need to listen to the Beatles:

Tomorrow Never Knows, Dear Prudence, Hey Jude, Get Back, A Day in the Life, In My Life, Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, Hide Your Love Away, Happiness is a Warm Gun,

Where would Music today be without Folk

Screw Black Sabbath, I say you need to listen to the Beatles:

Tomorrow Never Knows, Dear Prudence, Hey Jude, Get Back, A Day in the Life, In My Life, Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, Hide Your Love Away, Happiness is a Warm Gun,
Heard 'em all. *dismisses* :p

Not that they're a bad band, but...eh. I reckon the Kinks or Velvet Underground were better contemporaries.

Heard 'em all. *dismisses* :p

Not that they're a bad band, but...eh. I reckon the Kinks or Velvet Underground were better contemporaries.

Eh. I love the Kinks and VU (I hate Nico, though), but there is hardly any comparison.

my fav genre is rap...

Hey Jude
That is the second most annoying song I've ever heard, after Popcorn. It's just the 'na na na nana na naaaa' bit I really hate, but it lets the whole song down.

Eh. I love the Kinks and VU (I hate Nico, though), but there is hardly any comparison.

It's probably because i've heard most of the Beatles' songs millions of times since I was born. The effect just wore off, whereas most of the stuff by the Kinks and pretty much all of VU was new to me.

Beatles > Rolling Stones, though :p