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...in the next few months, it were revealed that 9.11 was actually an inside job, arranged by the u.s.ian government for some good reason, what would happen? Locally, globally, whatever?

what would be a good reason?

I wouldn't be that surprised, but it'd be good to know that it was actually a pile of crap and that Bush & Co. were responsible for all of those deaths.

Political paralysis in the US until fresh elections could be held. Lots of protests everywhere. Vigilantee attacks on Americans worldwide. Inquiries in countries that supported the US in Afghanistan.

...in the next few months, it were revealed that 9.11 was actually an inside job, arranged by the u.s.ian government for some good reason, what would happen? Locally, globally, whatever?
Whatever the reason, I'd imagine that Bush would be impeached and jailed.

what would be a good reason?
would it matter?

Whatever the reason, I'd imagine that Bush would be impeached and jailed.
I always confuse impeaching and impaling...

..... it'd be good to know that it was actually a pile of crap and that Bush & Co. were responsible for all of those deaths.
Do you think this is a common view? People would just go, "phew, that was nice" and keep on minding their business?

I always confuse impeaching and impaling...
Ah, but if we impaled him, wouldn't jail become something of a moot point?

I couldn't say that I'd exactly be surprised if it came out to be an inside job, but once again I'll push the likelihood that it goes further back than just Bush and friends....I think this would finally push the American public into taking a much more proactive role in their own country, as well as realize the steady decline.

...in the next few months, it were revealed that 9.11 was actually an inside job, arranged by the u.s.ian government for some good reason, what would happen? Locally, globally, whatever?

Internationally
US allies do everything they can to distance themselves from Bush.
Arab nations demand apologies and compensation from western nations.

In the USA
Mass protests.
Bush is imprisoned.
Democrats take power.

On Nationstates
Corneliu will defend Bush's actions and argue that he was doing the right thing.

The Emperor Is Fully Clothed.

Keep repeating it. :eek:

(But cover your kids' eyes anyway).

.....
On Nationstates
Corneliu will defend Bush's actions and argue that he was doing the right thing.
:p ...which may well be, depending on reasons, yesno?

Simonist']Ah, but if we impaled him, wouldn't jail become something of a moot point?
That's true:)

there is no good reason why anyone in the us government would do such a thing

if it were revealed to be true then every one of the few thousand people who would have had to be involved in one way or another would be tried and given the death penalty

the president of the united states and his cabinet (but maybe not the secretary of transportation, he might not have been in on it) would be sent to an international tribunal for crimes against humanity for the initial deaths and the wars in afghanistan and iraq.

the US would have to pay massive reparations to the families of the victims of 9/11 including the now cleared hijackers, also to the bin laden family, the countries of iraq, afghanistan, pakistan.

Simonist']Ah, but if we impaled him, wouldn't jail become something of a moot point?
That's only if Bush dies durring the impaling. So, no, jail could not become something of a moot point.

The current trend of nationalism and pro-government sentiment would take a huge hit. Of course, the government would soft-pedal the whole issue and try to pin it on a few individuals, but I suspect we would see a huge increase in skepticism of government and even a shift towards a more anarchistic view. At the very least, it would shatter the notion that the US is benevolent for many.

:p ...which may well be, depending on reasons, yesno?

I think the defence will take place regardless of the justification of Bush's actions. :D

... but I suspect we would see a huge increase in skepticism of government and even a shift towards a more anarchistic view.

And thus would this serve to make way for the Revolution (kekekeke....).

...in the next few months, it were revealed that 9.11 was actually an inside job, arranged by the u.s.ian government for some good reason, what would happen? Locally, globally, whatever?
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And thus would this serve to make way for the Revolution (kekekeke....).

True. The "inside story" theory is quite popular in anarchist circles and I suspect this is a large part of the reason. Actually proving the US is significantly immoral has been hard as there really aren't many clearcut cases of massive wrong-doing that anarchists can cite as proof of government illegitimacy.

That's only if Bush dies durring the impaling. So, no, jail could not become something of a moot point.

even if bush did die, he would be resurrected three days later...

True. The "inside story" theory is quite popular in anarchist circles and I suspect this is a large part of the reason. Actually proving the US is significantly immoral has been hard as there really aren't many clearcut cases of massive wrong-doing that anarchists can cite as proof of government illegitimacy.
Which is why the backlash of the "Nyeh nyeh, toldja so" will be even more ferocious than we could ever comprehend....

...in the next few months, it were revealed that 9.11 was actually an inside job, arranged by the u.s.ian government for some good reason, what would happen? Locally, globally, whatever?

March on the capital...

True. The "inside story" theory is quite popular in anarchist circles and I suspect this is a large part of the reason. Actually proving the US is significantly immoral has been hard as there really aren't many clearcut cases of massive wrong-doing that anarchists can cite as proof of government illegitimacy.

Falluja. That was fairly needless and brutal.

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:confused: ....your point evades me, somehow.

:confused: ....your point evades me, somehow.

IL Ruffino is probably drunk, so he posts random pictures...

even if bush did die, he would be resurrected three days later...
Nah, Jeb would be claim to that Dubya was the reinacartion of Bush Sr., and then follow the line and claim to be the Third Reincarnation of Bush. But don't forget the Clintons, and always remember: the US is a two family system!

I wouldn't be that surprised, but it'd be good to know that it was actually a pile of crap and that Bush & Co. were responsible for all of those deaths.
Cheers to that. I think right about now this is all we have to say to Bush & Co:upyours: But if he was behind it the whole world would be flipping him off.

...in the next few months, it were revealed that 9.11 was actually an inside job, arranged by the u.s.ian government for some good reason, what would happen? Locally, globally, whatever?

I already suspect (strongly) that Pearl Harbour was 'engineered', so I wouldn't be TOO surprised to find out that 9/11 was an inside job.

I had similar thoughts the day it happened, actually... simply because of how FEW people died... considering how full those two towers USUALLY are ona business day.

It's often been commented that wars are good for economies (Not because they really 'help', but because they allow a certain 'flexability'), and BUsh himself made the 'don't change horses mid-stream' comment, so the regime obviously isn't TOTALLY unsavvy to the fact that you can keep an unpopular leader in power, just by external distractions.

So - all we needed was a really GOOD reason for a war. And, if we could find one that involved fossil fuels, AND that conformed to the PNAC idea of bringing 'democracy' to Iraq (and Iran)... so much the better, no?

...what would happen?
Quebéc gains independence!

Falluja. That was fairly needless and brutal.

Maybe, but it pales in comparison to Nazi Germany or the USSR and for most people, that's good enough for them. Almost everyone I know admits that the government has corruption, but few people will do anything about it unless it goes from being corrupt to profoundly evil and given the last century, people have a rather high threshold for what counts, it seems.

:p ...which may well be, depending on reasons, yesno?

I'd love to hear suggestions about good reasons for the u.s. gov't to kill ~3,000 Americans.

I don't believe Shrub and his winged-monkeys helped to bring about 911 except through blatant stupidity, cupidity and incompetence. I do believe they thanked their not-particularly-Christian god for 911 happening though.

Hasn't it been proven a few times already? The fact is the american public is much too busy getting laid and watching american idol to actually give a fuck about the fact that the way they live will bring about their own doom... If it was scientifically and juridically proven that Bush is the devil, that he is in league with the aliens from kxmvcn that are out to enslave us and that he likes to sodomize sharks every now and then, they would still not give a fuck and keep on doing what they do...

now, given a very very unrealistic scenario, like the overlord of the kxmvcnians being disguised as a human inside the WTC and that being the only way to take him out, and that their base of operations are in the middle east somewhere, then maybe a 15000 person sacrifice is worth the lives of the other 6.5 billion.

But then again, bush doesn't believe in aliens, so...

IL Ruffino is probably drunk, so he posts random pictures...
no, just.. trying to make the "HAHAHA, eh, No." statement.. oh and im never drinking again..

no, just.. trying to make the "HAHAHA, eh, No." statement.. oh and im never drinking again..

never?

even if bush did die, he would be resurrected three days later...

Uuuhhh... Huh?

How about that. Kind of sacrilegious.

Maybe, but it pales in comparison to Nazi Germany or the USSR and for most people, that's good enough for them. Almost everyone I know admits that the government has corruption, but few people will do anything about it unless it goes from being corrupt to profoundly evil and given the last century, people have a rather high threshold for what counts, it seems.

The US and Iraqi army killed pretty much everyone there, with chemical weapons. How is that any worse at all than what the Nazis or the USSR did?

never?
Nevermore today, maybe

Falluja. That was fairly needless and brutal.

It was a horrendous crime, but it was "anti-terror" so no one will pay attention.

...in the next few months, it were revealed that 9.11 was actually an inside job, arranged by the u.s.ian government for some good reason, what would happen? Locally, globally, whatever?

usian... didn't someone explain that as a derogatory term? It's either "American govt" or "US gov't" no need to add that ian shit.

And as far as that happening, i think the troops would be pulled back from the middle east and hopefully the people of the US would recognize what's been going on w/ the govt and take a more active role in it.

never?
Never. Well.. meh.

even if bush did die, he would be resurrected three days later...
duh....idgit me, only got through now....:rolleyes:

usian... didn't someone explain that as a derogatory term? It's either "American govt" or "US gov't" no need to add that ian shit.
...
Wrong. USian, ewseean, etc. is how it goes now. Nothing particularly derogatory about it.

I wouldn't compare it with Germany or the USSR.

A) Nazis and commies are often dehumanised by widespread propaganda, making a bad basis of comparison.

B ) The nazis killed jews a lot, but at least Hitler said he would, without hidden motives, and still got elected. So, yeah.

I would forsee Bush and his cronies being jailed and executed for some sort of treason. There would be massive repricutions here in America. I could almost see a military coup take place, maybe some civil war ( the Military vs various militia freedom groups). But thats all pure imagination from me.

The US and Iraqi army killed pretty much everyone there, with chemical weapons. How is that any worse at all than what the Nazis or the USSR did?
Wow, the extent of your ignorence is truly shocking.

B ) The nazis killed jews a lot, but at least Hitler said he would, without hidden motives, and still got elected. So, yeah.
Hitler never said that he intended to kill anyone. In fact killing the Jews was not his original intent. All he wanted to do was restore germany to power export the Jews to some far away place and then get on with taking over the world. It was only after he gained power and realized that no one wanted the Jews did he decide to kill them all. He certainly never made a public statement and people were told that the Jews were being "relocated". I think that planning and executing a secret genocide counts as hidden motives.

The US and Iraqi army killed pretty much everyone there, with chemical weapons. How is that any worse at all than what the Nazis or the USSR did?

6 million jews anyone?

As soon as it even looked like this might come out, Bush would declare emergency powers, so that even when it was revealed what he'd done, nothing could be done to him, short of assassination. Of course, with the Patriot Act, an assassination would never happen, because anyone suspected of thinking about assassination would be rounded up.

6 million jews anyone?

Mass murder is mass murder.

Wrong. USian, ewseean, etc. is how it goes now. Nothing particularly derogatory about it.

Wong? me? an American?


i don't think so. We don't call ourselves "USians" (u-see-an? or ew as in gross?)

other people may do so, but we don't. so i think i would go w/ what we call ourselves v. what the rest of the world does.

Mass murder is mass murder.

really? So we lined everyone up inside a gas chamber and gassed them? Or lined them up and mowed them down w/ a machine gun?

Wong? me? an American?


i don't think so. We don't call ourselves "USians" (u-see-an? or ew as in gross?)

other people may do so, but we don't. so i think i would go w/ what we call ourselves v. what the rest of the world does.

I like "estadounidense", but it doesn't translate, not yet at least.

really? So we lined everyone up inside a gas chamber and gassed them? Or lined them up and mowed them down w/ a machine gun?

Is there a difference? Do you think it matters to the victims precisely how they were murdered?

I like "estadounidense", but it doesn't translate, not yet at least.
unitedstatesian?

Is there a difference? Do you think it matters to the victims precisely how they were murdered?

to the victims no, cos dead is dead. However, to the living, yes it does matter in the manner with which others had been killed.

unitedstatesian?

still easier to say American.

I suppose one of the points would be that Bush &CO could get more power. With the new patriot act stuff, they have ALOT more power then before. Also, theres the whole thing about needing more oil. Also, maybe they're trying to gain even more territory, eg, starting to spread by gaining so much influence in other countries, seeding outwards from the middle east... twards WORLD DOMINATION!

HES THE ANTICHRIST! OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG....

....

still easier to say American.
easiness is overrated

unitedstatesian?

Yes, but no one talks that way.

still easier to say American.

But more arrogant and ambiguous.

However, to the living, yes it does matter in the manner with which others had been killed.

Let me be more specific. Morally, does it matter whether the innocent victims were killed in gas chambers or by white phosphorus, air bombardment, and gunfire?

I like "estadounidense", but it doesn't translate, not yet at least.
"Estados Unidos" --> "Estadounidense" --> "Unitedstatech", "Unitedstatic", "Unitedstatian", "Unitedstato", "Unitedstatican", - Oh, I hate teh random endings in English concerning places where people come from! - "Unitedstatese", "Unitedstander", "Unitedstatigan", and - the last one I type - "Unitedstater".

But more arrogant and ambiguous.
how is it more arrogant and ambigiouous? You don't call people from Canada Americans, they're Canadians. You don't call people from Mexico Americans, they're Mexicans. And i'm sure that goes for all the other countries in the America's (North and South)... So it's hardly ambigious or arrogant.

Let me be more specific. Morally, does it matter whether the innocent victims were killed in gas chambers or by white phosphorus, air bombardment, and gunfire?
Yes, because one was intentionally killed (jews) while the others had a chance to leave but didn't and was in a combat zone.

... u.s.ian ...
You lost me right there.

You lost me right there.
Eut, you think the letter 'u' and 's' should be capitalized as well?
I never knew you like grammar and stuff! :fluffle:

You lost me right there.
Well, you started it...:)

...in the next few months, it were revealed that 9.11 was actually an inside job, arranged by the u.s.ian government for some good reason, what would happen? Locally, globally, whatever?

In here, there would be many smiling as they sported their miniscule erections.

What if it was revealed that the holocaust was an "inside job" ?

What would happen if we had more of these hypothetical, yet stupid, scenarios?

In here, there would be many smiling as they sported their miniscule erections.

What if it was revealed that the holocaust was an "inside job" ?

What would happen if we had more of these hypothetical, yet stupid, scenarios?
1. do you mean minuscule?
2. how so? Like, they gassed themselves?
3. deserving of a thread of its own, maybe?

1. do you mean minuscule?
2. how so? Like, they gassed themselves?
3. deserving of a thread of its own, maybe?


4. All of the above.

4. All of the above.
Meaning you're not comfortable with the abstract. That's okay. My gay friend has only one leg.

Meaning you're not comfortable with the abstract. That's okay. My gay friend has only one leg.


See-thats where you're wrong. Making any assumptions on what I'm comfortable with will always make you wrong.


Your gay friend? So you're prejudiced? He isnt just your friend?

[QUOTE=Quagmus]1. do you mean minuscule?

I'm quite sure that it's miniscule, actually.

Invasion from the North, what else?

Let me be more specific. Morally, does it matter whether the innocent victims were killed in gas chambers or by white phosphorus, air bombardment, and gunfire?

Is a single incident really comparable to a full-scale attempt to wipe out entire ethnic groups, though?

[QUOTE=Quagmus]1. do you mean minuscule?

I'm quite sure that it's miniscule, actually.
both, actually

how is it more arrogant and ambigiouous? You don't call people from Canada Americans, they're Canadians. You don't call people from Mexico Americans, they're Mexicans. And i'm sure that goes for all the other countries in the America's (North and South)... So it's hardly ambigious or arrogant.

"America" refers to the two continents, North and South. Anyone in North, South, or Central America is an "American." We have no exclusive right to the label.

Yes, because one was intentionally killed (jews) while the others had a chance to leave but didn't and was in a combat zone.

The men were prohibited from leaving. Furthermore, considering the state of the refugee camps, it's pretty clear that plenty of them had good reason for staying.

Is a single incident really comparable to a full-scale attempt to wipe out entire ethnic groups, though?

Morally, I don't think "I'm going to kill you in order to intimidate people into going along with my domination" is any better than "I'm going to kill you because you're Jewish/Slavic/Roma/etc."

It's true that the latter attitude tends to produce worse results than the former, assuming equality in means, but both deny the value of human life.

As soon as it even looked like this might come out, Bush would declare emergency powers, so that even when it was revealed what he'd done, nothing could be done to him, short of assassination. Of course, with the Patriot Act, an assassination would never happen, because anyone suspected of thinking about assassination would be rounded up.
Or, as soon as it even looked like this might come out, Bush would declare war on....um...Iran, in order to keep the nation worrying about something else.


A good thing this is all just hypothetical.

What would happen? Nothing.

The only people in the US who aren't too apathetic to not care about anything anymore are either gay or illegal immigrants.

Or Jerusalas.

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Who is neither gay nor an illegal.

I wonder how many of you all are desperate for it to be true.

What would happen? Congress would blame Bush and impeach him. Bush would put up a brave front, but not point any fingers, because that would leave everyone in the government under scrutiny. He'd receive an official censure, resign from office, and we'd just elect someone else to take his place.

Basically, not a whole hell of a lot of anything would happen.

You lost me right there.

Damn straight. It should be United Statesman!.

Anyway, back to the matter at hand I suppose.

It would require something pretty spectacular for most people to believe that 9/11 was an inside job, and even then, I suspect most people would disbelieve it.

In the same way that, despite the overwhelming evidence that it wasn't, some people are convinced it is a conspiracy.

Like the kennedy assasination. Or UFOs.

But if people were convinced, those who were responsible would certainly face Mr. Pricky. I expect that the US would run around throwing money at the problem to try and make ammends as well.

Anyway, back to the matter at hand I suppose.

It would require something pretty spectacular for most people to believe that 9/11 was an inside job, and even then, I suspect most people would disbelieve it.

In the same way that, despite the overwhelming evidence that it wasn't, some people are convinced it is a conspiracy.

Like the kennedy assasination. Or UFOs.

But if people were convinced, those who were responsible would certainly face Mr. Pricky. I expect that the US would run around throwing money at the problem to try and make ammends as well.

ahem...do you think said kennedy died of natural causes?

ahem...do you think said kennedy died of natural causes?

I dunno. A bullet seems a pretty natural way to die to me.

At least in Iraq and Washington, DC.

ahem...do you think said kennedy died of natural causes?

Well obviously.

As the Warren commision ruled, after he was sunk in his torpedo boat and went onto sink the entire japanese navy singlehandedly, he was infected the with 'headus explodus' fungi.

...in the next few months, it were revealed that 9.11 was actually an inside job, arranged by the u.s.ian government for some good reason, what would happen? Locally, globally, whatever?
The majority of Americans rightly supported regime change in Kabul in response to 9/11. I think that the only appropriate action would be a regime change in Washington by any means necessary.

Whatever the reason, I'd imagine that Bush would be impeached and jailed.
Or better yet: fried in the chair

Or better yet: fried in the chair

I'd actually prefer to see him spit-roasted along with Cheney and Rumsfeld over a Persian nuclear reactor, just to add to the bittersweet irony.

I'd actually prefer to see him spit-roasted along with Cheney and Rumsfeld over a Persian nuclear reactor, just to add to the bitterswet irony.
...Rove giggling merrily on the side...

I'd actually prefer to see him spit-roasted along with Cheney and Rumsfeld over a Persian nuclear reactor, just to add to the bittersweet irony.

A Persian nuclear reactor?

Wong? me? an American?


i don't think so. We don't call ourselves "USians" (u-see-an? or ew as in gross?)

other people may do so, but we don't. so i think i would go w/ what we call ourselves v. what the rest of the world does.
But you're considerably in the minority. By something in the region of 20:1. So we'll go with the majority here. You live in a democratic country (supposedly), you can't have any complaints with that.

I would laugh first off then go about my day normally then watch the news and the Republican Party gets ripped to pieces.
Before watching Wall Street collapse and aiting for the on coming depression.
I'd crack open a beer and sit out on the porch watching the pretty wimmens go by.

The beginning entry in this forum sounds like part of the plot from this season of the show "24".

"America" refers to the two continents, North and South. Anyone in North, South, or Central America is an "American." We have no exclusive right to the label.

Bullshit. Americas would refer to two continents. America refers to the United States. (how many other countries has America in the name?)

Bullshit, anyone in North, Central or South America (except the people from the US) will not call themselves Americans. They will call themselves whatever nationality they are (i.e. Chile = Chilieans, Boliva = Bolivians, etc)

Whether we have an exclusive right to the label or not, it IS the label used for us.

Damn straight. It should be United Statesman!.

if it should be anything besides American, i would agree w/ this.

But you're considerably in the minority. By something in the region of 20:1. So we'll go with the majority here. You live in a democratic country (supposedly), you can't have any complaints with that.

Fine, introduce to me the populace of the majority of countries in the Americas who call themselves Americans.

I would laugh first off then go about my day normally then watch the news and the Republican Party gets ripped to pieces.
Before watching Wall Street collapse and aiting for the on coming depression.
I'd crack open a beer and sit out on the porch watching the pretty wimmens go by.

you'd go pull all your money out of the bank before opening that beer right? :P

Fine, introduce to me the populace of the majority of countries in the Americas who call themselves Americans.
What? How is that in the slightest bit relevant to what I said?

What? How is that in the slightest bit relevant to what I said?

you said... "You are in the minority, so you don't get to be called Americans"

I said, introduce me to the majority, to see if they call themselves Americans.

you said... "You are in the minority, so you don't get to be called Americans"

I said, introduce me to the majority, to see if they call themselves Americans.

He meant in the world-based spectrum of things.

He meant in the world-based spectrum of things.

ah, we were talking about the two continents on this side of the ocean, so i thought we were only talking about people on the Americas.

ah, we were talking about the two continents on this side of the ocean, so i thought we were only talking about people on the Americas.

There is a whole world out there :p

There is a whole world out there :p
Indeed. Sadly, many Americans fail to realise this.

A Persian nuclear reactor?


Yeah- thats an effort to make something sound better than "Iranian".

Yeah- thats an effort to make something sound better than "Iranian".
Right. Nobody has Iranian rugs.

There is a similar thread on the forum right now,
inside job, what do you think?

It seems they are desperate for it to be true,
I wonder how many are desperate for it to be true?

There is a whole world out there :p

Indeed there is.

There is a similar thread on the forum right now,
inside job, what do you think?

It seems they are desperate for it to be true,
I wonder how many are desperate for it to be true?

If it is true, it would mean that the muslim world is NOT out to get the West, to take away our freedom etc.

I would actually prefer it that way. You?

If it is true, it would mean that the muslim world is NOT out to get the West, to take away our freedom etc.

I would actually prefer it that way. You?

i think we already know that they want to. So even if it is true, it still doesn't stop the hatred of the west. In fact, it may even bolden it.

I start a Frech style revolution. Via la Guillotine! It took me 5 minutes to find the right spelling...

...in the next few months, it were revealed that 9.11 was actually an inside job, arranged by the u.s.ian government for some good reason
It most probably *was* arranged by the US gov't to have an excuse for their "War on Terror" and taking away everyone's rights.

It most probably *was* arranged by the US gov't to have an excuse for their "War on Terror" and taking away everyone's rights.


*knocks on your door*

could i borrow some tinfoil?

if it should be anything besides American, i would agree w/ this.
its best to just let it go

its one of those little NS ideosyncrasies like liberal meaning libertarian.

just let it go and understand that when they say "usian" they arent trying to insult us. its not worth the typing time to convince them they are wrong, they will never admit it.

i think we already know that they want to. .........
Who 'knows' that? We've been told that, it is a justification for war...."they want to take away what is ours:eek: , we must defend ourselves" etc"

Does that mean we know?

Who 'knows' that? We've been told that, it is a justification for war...."they want to take away what is ours:eek: , we must defend ourselves" etc"

Does that mean we know?

countless chanting "Death to America" in the streets of iran and other middle eastern countries. Video shown on 9/11 w/ middle easterners dancing and celebrating in the streets... i think that qualifies as 'knowing' that they want the West to fall.

its best to just let it go

its one of those little NS ideosyncrasies like liberal meaning libertarian.

just let it go and understand that when they say "usian" they arent trying to insult us. its not worth the typing time to convince them they are wrong, they will never admit it.

eh, i still think it's derogatory. Whether or not they're trying to insult, some have used it as one and every time i see it now it's in that connotation.

countless chanting "Death to America" in the streets of iran and other middle eastern countries. Video shown on 9/11 w/ middle easterners dancing and celebrating in the streets... i think that qualifies as 'knowing' that they want the West to fall.
they would certainly like the west, especially u.s., to stop meddling. So would the south americans.

Maybe because some of us have meddled a bit too much.

eh, i still think it's derogatory. Whether or not they're trying to insult, some have used it as one and every time i see it now it's in that connotation.
They who? The enemy?

eh, i still think it's derogatory. Whether or not they're trying to insult, some have used it as one and every time i see it now it's in that connotation.
yes but those same people would use the correct term the same way. its the intent behind it, not the word itself.

what would be a good reason?

It would most likely be to further the New World Order.

they would certainly like the west, especially u.s., to stop meddling. So would the south americans.

Maybe because some of us have meddled a bit too much.


Perhaps, but i would rather we meddle and try to get the area settled versus letting it fester.

They who? The enemy?

they as in other posters on NS

Perhaps, but i would rather we meddle and try to get the area settled versus letting it fester.
Infections are usually caused by intrusion of a foreign agent.
Those are often best left to clear themselves out, leaving the infectee with a stronger immunity system.

It most probably *was* arranged by the US gov't to have an excuse for their "War on Terror" and taking away everyone's rights.
I heard that some 20% of Germans think that 9/11 was committed by the US Gov.

I heard that some 20% of Germans think that 9/11 was committed by the US Gov.
those pesky prussians, how dare they...

I'd probably form a militia movement and revolt against the gov. Then I'd demand to know what other conspiracies and lies the government has kept from us.

Bush assanitted, the world pissed, America invaded.

I would forsee Bush and his cronies being jailed and executed for some sort of treason. There would be massive repricutions here in America. I could almost see a military coup take place, maybe some civil war ( the Military vs various militia freedom groups). But thats all pure imagination from me.
Remember the Military would have lost at least 2000 soldiers for the lie. (Imagines M1s and Bradleys parked with guns facing the White House)
But I could still see parts of the military (The old 'police the world' type), supporting bush.

I predict large overthrowing of Red State governments, perhaps rioting battles between Pro-Bush and Anti-Bush people. A military Coup that would lead to a Seige in Washington DC between the Military forces that Continued to support him, and everyone else. UN evacuating New York City. Other nations preparing to send troops to stablize the situation.

I know another thing though The Oil Company Executives would be all killed off also.


And I'd defect to Canada. You guys eat Tomatoes? because that's about all I could export.

Remember the Military would have lost at least 2000 soldiers for the lie. (Imagines M1s and Bradleys parked with guns facing the White House)
But I could still see parts of the military (The old 'police the world' type), supporting bush.

I predict large overthrowing of Red State governments, perhaps rioting battles between Pro-Bush and Anti-Bush people. A military Coup that would lead to a Seige in Washington DC between the Military forces that Continued to support him, and everyone else. UN evacuating New York City. Other nations preparing to send troops to stablize the situation.

I know another thing though The Oil Company Executives would be all killed off also.


And I'd defect to Canada. You guys eat Tomatoes? because that's about all I could export.

The thing is though, that a VERY VERY SMALL portion of the population would support Bush if something like that happened anyway. Probably less than 3 to 4%.

Bush assanitted

Yes, Bush is an ass.

the world pissed

Yes, the world is pissed.

America invaded.

Yes, American is being invaded.

you'd go pull all your money out of the bank before opening that beer right? :P
Nope i'd invest it in Gold.
Money would end up being worthless anyways and i'd probably go live on a farm...

there is no good reason why anyone in the us government would do such a thing

if it were revealed to be true then every one of the few thousand people who would have had to be involved in one way or another would be tried and given the death penalty

the president of the united states and his cabinet (but maybe not the secretary of transportation, he might not have been in on it) would be sent to an international tribunal for crimes against humanity for the initial deaths and the wars in afghanistan and iraq.

the US would have to pay massive reparations to the families of the victims of 9/11 including the now cleared hijackers, also to the bin laden family, the countries of iraq, afghanistan, pakistan.

Yeah, except the US (whether we like it or not) are the most powerful nation on Earth and could cover something like that up if they wanted to.

I'd probably form a militia movement and revolt against the gov. Then I'd demand to know what other conspiracies and lies the government has kept from us.
And you'd all get jailed/shot for treason

And you'd all get jailed/shot for treason

Unless they succeeded, of course.

Yeah, except the US (whether we like it or not) are the most powerful nation on Earth and could cover something like that up if they wanted to.

They have, and the fact that they have done so makes it seem all the more damning. But since we do still pretend to value the principle of "innocent until proven guilty," there's not much that can be proven through that alone.

I don't accept the official story, but I also don't buy into every conspiracy claim out there... Honestly, I would desperately like to believe that the U.S. government was not involved in the 9/11 attacks in any way, even if that would imply an obscene degree of incompetence. But there exists much reason to suspect that they were not only complicit in the attacks, but that they planned and carried them out themselves. The general response to anybody making these claims is to label them as fringe group, conspiracy theorist whackjobs. Attacking the people instead of the evidence, as it were.

There absolutely needs to be a thorough, independent investigation into the United States government's prior knowledge and direct involvement in 9/11.