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I'm surprised to find out that the Bible prescribes several unethical and sometimes, downright evil actions to followers. I'm not religious, but when I visited the evilbible.com website, I thought they must have been mistaken and started reading the King Jame's version of Bible myself. Within the first few pages, I was horrified to find out that they may be true after all.

Can someone knowledgeable chafe out the good from the bad in the Bible and justify all the bad things too, by the way?

No, the bible's not evil.

Only the Old Testament is, what with the selling of daughters as slaves and stoning of adulterers and all.

The New Testament is good stuff, full of loving thy neighbours and other peace-and-love hippie nonsense.

Don't worry, in the second half of the Bible Jesus points out that all the stuff you read in the first half was wrong. They had script problems from the beginning.

No, the bible's not evil.

Only the Old Testament is, what with the selling of daughters as slaves and stoning of adulterers and all.

The New Testament is good stuff, full of loving thy neighbours and other peace-and-love hippie nonsense.

But I thought the Christians hate hippies??? :confused:

Can someone knowledgeable chafe out the good from the bad in the Bible and justify all the bad things too, by the way?
I, for one, can't. But, the Bible isn't evil, its merely errors from the people that wrote it down and have translated it over the centuries.

But I thought the Christians hate hippies??? :confused:
I'm not sure the bible promotes Free Love.

But I thought the Christians hate hippies??? :confused:
Dude, Christ was a hippie. Any Christian claiming to hate hippies is clearly not a christian at all.

Yes, because christianity is.

Are you crazy?!?! The Bible is the EXACT OPPOSITE of evil! It's God's word! Shhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssshhhhhhhhh.:)

Are you crazy?!?! The Bible is the EXACT OPPOSITE of evil! It's God's word! Shhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssshhhhhhhhh.:)
Are you a zealot or something??

Well, let's just say, if I were the devil I'd definitely have written it..

Dude, Christ was a hippie. Any Christian claiming to hate hippies is clearly not a christian at all.

So hippies are actually Christians and Christians are actually hippies?

*the world implodes*

I think it's evil, or at least a sizable percentage of those who claim to follow its tenets become that way over time. If you look at the bare facts, this book has caused some of the worst strife in human history. And continues to to this day. People using phrases in a book to excuse bigotry? This wasn't ok in the case of Mien Kamf (hold the Godwin please), so why is it ok with the bible?

Dude, Christ was a hippie. Any Christian claiming to hate hippies is clearly not a christian at all.

Jesus wasn't christian, he was jewish. Discuss;)

Most definitely not. A lot of the interpretations of it are, though.

Jesus wasn't christian, he was jewish. Discuss.
There's really nothing to discuss, He was Jewish.

Isn't the bible supposed to guide people in their daily lives...well i've never personnally picked up the bible partly because it has always been stuck on the top of my parents shelf not doing anything. And if i have then it was when i was younger (problably flicked through it, then didn't understand a word of it) ;)

:gundge: nope the bible has always been a very boring subject for me...its a book...written a LONG time ago...by some people who mayhave seen miricles...whats the fuss?????

Sounds like witchcraft :)

So hippies are actually Christians and Christians are actually hippies?

*the world implodes*
No, dummy. Christians are hippies, but that doesn't mean all hippies are Christians. Simple logic.

Jesus wasn't christian, he was jewish. Discuss;)
Jesus was a peace-and-love, long-haired, sandal-wearing hippie that hung out with prostitutes and a bunch of unmarried "celibate" young men(we all know what was going on between those guys behind closed doors.

Besides, he couldn't have been a christian, because the definition of christian is "follower of Christ". He could't bloody well follow himself, that's not physically possible, and there's a limit to God granting useless miracles to his son.

No, dummy. Christians are hippies, but that doesn't mean all hippies are Christians. Simple logic.
So you're essentially likening the hippiness of the Christian population to a 7th grade level math problem....? Dang, my calc teacher was right all those years ago....there is a mathematical basis for nearly everything.

And no, I most highly doubt the Bible is "evil". For something to be "evil" it implies that a certain amount of intentional malice went into it, and I can't possibly believe that at the time of early Christianity when these texts were written down there was any malice intended. However, I won't argue that the Bible has been misused and totally inappropriately skewed in the past, and even moreso these days, and that could be seen as evil....but the blame there falls on the individual or group who's actually abusing the book, not the book itself.

I don't agree with the Bible, but calling it evil is a bit unfair. It was written by people from a very different time who knew only a very different set of ethics than what we know now. That doesn't make it right, of course, but it's not like they knew any different. Additionally, I'm not sure it's accurate to describe a mere book as evil (assuming the concept can be said to exist at all).

The bible its self is not evil, it is a work of liturature. Like any religous text it can be used for evil. for example justifying the murdering of abortion clinic doctors, or the sloughter of every last man women and child in Jeruselem (definatly not spelled correctly) durring the second crusades, or the colonization of lands and the enslavement if their people. It is humans that determin the meening and application of any given text.

Besides, he couldn't have been a christian, because the definition of christian is "follower of Christ". He could't bloody well follow himself, that's not physically possible, and there's a limit to God granting useless miracles to his son.

Jesus was a Nasalchristian. That is, he followed his own nose.

Simonist']So you're essentially likening the hippiness of the Christian population to a 7th grade level math problem....? Dang, my calc teacher was right all those years ago....there is a mathematical basis for nearly everything.

A square is a rectangle, but a rectangle isn't a square. Maths rock. Well, except university level math classes, which I'm taking at the moment. Counting the infinite using bijective applications makes my head hurt ><

Simonist']
And no, I most highly doubt the Bible is "evil". For something to be "evil" it implies that a certain amount of intentional malice went into it, and I can't possibly believe that at the time of early Christianity when these texts were written down there was any malice intended. However, I won't argue that the Bible has been misused and totally inappropriately skewed in the past, and even moreso these days, and that could be seen as evil....but the blame there falls on the individual or group who's actually abusing the book, not the book itself.

Well said.

Isn't the bible supposed to guide people in their daily lives...well i've never personnally picked up the bible partly because it has always been stuck on the top of my parents shelf not doing anything. And if i have then it was when i was younger (problably flicked through it, then didn't understand a word of it) <snip>

<snip> nope the bible has always been a very boring subject for me...its a book...written a LONG time ago...by some people who mayhave seen miricles...whats the fuss?????

Sounds like witchcraft :)

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EDIT: Oh and the bible isn't evil. It's just out of date.

Jesus was a Nasalchristian. That is, he followed his own nose.
I'd be willing to bet he sometimes followed something other than his nose, what with his hanging out with prostitutes, but that would be oh-so-politically-incorrect of me to name said body part. :p

The bible is not evil. The people who created it however...

I don't agree with the Bible, but calling it evil is a bit unfair. It was written by people from a very different time who knew only a very different set of ethics than what we know now. That doesn't make it right, of course, but it's not like they knew any different. Additionally, I'm not sure it's accurate to describe a mere book as evil (assuming the concept can be said to exist at all).

I whole-heartedly disagree. Epicureanism was from the same age as the Bible (I think it was actually older). It's still one of the most socially-liberal forms of thinking.

I'd be willing to bet he sometimes followed something other than his nose, what with his hanging out with prostitutes, but that would be oh-so-politically-incorrect of me to name said body part. :p
If you guys are speaking of Mary of Magdala, the Catholic Church turned on itself in the 60's or so and admitted that it was a translation error and the prostitute and Mary were in fact different people in the original text. Therefore, though he probably performed miracles on prostitutes, there's no basis that he consistently "hung out" with them......

If the Bible is evil, then Fass is not gay.
If the way the bible is explained is not evil, then Fass is not gay.

I'd be willing to bet he sometimes followed something other than his nose, what with his hanging out with prostitutes, but that would be oh-so-politically-incorrect of me to name said body part.
Well I always did wonder, when he saw the prostitutes in the temples and he turned the table over, just what part of his anatomy did he use to do that?

No. It is not. Nether the Old nor the New Testiment is evil. It is God's word, given to men.

In order to know good from evil, you must have a moral compass of some kind. God, through his word in the Bible, defines what is good and what is evil.

True, some men have used it to further their own agenda's. If verses are taken out of context, they can mean anything. This is true of the Bible, Qu'ran, Hindu Texts, Torah, etc... The men/women who do this are the evil ones, not the book.

For those of you who are athiests or say there is no God, how can anything be good or evil? To what moral compass do you ascribe? To you it is just a book, an inanimate object. An inanimate object just is. It can not be good nor can it be evil.

There is nothing good nor bad in this world but thinking makes it so.
- Bill Wobblejavlin

For those of you who are athiests or say there is no God, how can anything be good or evil? To what moral compass do you ascribe? To you it is just a book, an inanimate object. An inanimate object just is. It can not be good nor can it be evil.

You choose to accept God's moral compass. They choose to accept a different moral compass. He does not have a monopoly.

There is nothing good nor bad in this world but thinking makes it so.
- Bill Wobblejavlin

Hamlet said it first, if memory serves. In Shakespeare's play, that is.

For those of you who are athiests or say there is no God, how can anything be good or evil? To what moral compass do you ascribe?

In general day to day use the word evil translates as "very very bad." If someone wants to call chopping off someone's fingers for fun "evil" I'm not going to think that's a problem even if they don't believe in God.

You choose to accept God's moral compass. They choose to accept a different moral compass. He does not have a monopoly.

You do not have to believe that God has the monopoly on moral compasses. The question is, to what moral compass do you ascribe to determine if an inanimate object is good or evil?

The Bible certainly has contradictions, and has it's share of...less than humane teachings. I would wholeheartedly disagree with people taking Bible stories literally, and using it as a basis for living.

However, the Bible does have some positive teachings and proverbs, and can make a positive impact. One must take an objective look at the Bible, and decide what to take from it.

You do not have to believe that God has the monopoly on moral compasses. The question is, to what moral compass do you ascribe to determine if an inanimate object is good or evil?

When talking about documents, "evil" does not refer to the document's behavior, but rather to its content. If it advocates evil things, then it is evil.

I don't see how the bible can be evil any more than Mein Kampf or Harry Potter are. It's a piece of writing depicting what are in some cases evil ideas; not something that is itself malevolent.

Besides, the Gospels are alright. None of this punishment or societal judgement crap that you see in the Old Testament or the Epistles. Though, admittedly, they could have done without those bits where angels are involved. Seemed a little scripted, if you know what I mean.

When talking about documents, "evil" does not refer to the document's behavior, but rather to its content. If it advocates evil things, then it is evil.

But what do you use to determine "evil" content?

Can a book be evil?

I mean really, going around calling the Bible evil, that's on par with calling Harry Potter evil, it's just stupid. People can be evil, not books. Books are books, they have no nature at all.

But what do you use to determine "evil" content?

Actions and or ideas that can hurt my income and comfortable way of living.

To what moral compass do you ascribe?
Mine. The moral compass I designed from my life experiences, from the teachings of my family and surroundings, and also partly taken from some, albeit not all, parts of the new testament.

Mix all this, add in a good dose of free will and critical thinking, and a generous topping of compassion, altruism and healthy egoism.

Besides, the Gospels are alright. None of this punishment or societal judgement crap that you see in the Old Testament or the Epistles.

Just compulsory martyrdom. "Turn the other cheek," etc.

The Old Testament is not actually as bad as people think it is. Viewing the worst aspects in the context of, say, the lesson derived from Abraham's argument with God about Sodom and Gommorah, they are somewhat moderated. And the good parts are, well, good. Love your neighbor, pursue justice, help the poor, it's all there.

I agree, a book itself cannot be evil. However, a book can promote evil ideas, which I don't believe the Bible does (except in extreme cases like with crazy people).

But what do you use to determine "evil" content?

I base it on my conception of ethics, which may or may not differ from God's. It is based on the maximization of my conception of freedom.

Can a book be evil?

I mean really, going around calling the Bible evil, that's on par with calling Harry Potter evil, it's just stupid. People can be evil, not books. Books are books, they have no nature at all.

Ach! The Smunky one makes a good point.

Calling a book evil would put you on par with the censoring asshats who invented "decency laws".

Personally I don't think anything or anyone is evil. But people are certainly capable of doing things that severly hurt other people, that is they are capable of "evil" acts. I don't believe in the Steven Kingy idea that evil is a thing that is out to get you.

A book could certainly be written that encourages people to do evil things. But to examine if the bible does this, first we'd have to work out what the bible actually encourages people to do and no one has been able to agree on that for thousands of years. Then we'd have to determine if whatever the bible encourages has very very bad results for people when carried out that could be described as "evil."

I'm surprised to find out that the Bible prescribes several unethical and sometimes, downright evil actions to followers. I'm not religious, but when I visited the evilbible.com website, I thought they must have been mistaken and started reading the King Jame's version of Bible myself. Within the first few pages, I was horrified to find out that they may be true after all.

Can someone knowledgeable chafe out the good from the bad in the Bible and justify all the bad things too, by the way?


Oh joy!

Another thread posed in the form of a question that bashes Christians.

First "Was Jesus a Terrorist?", now this.


Unoriginal bastards.

The Bible is a guide for survival written by a people in the desert about 3000 years ago. As such, some of its guidelines are somewhat brutal by our standards. They aren't evil, it's just that the morality of the times change, and what was good and useful at one time becomes unnecessary and bad at another.

Oh joy!

Another thread posed in the form of a question that bashes Christians.

First "Was Jesus a Terrorist?", now this.


Unoriginal bastards.

Too actually look beyond your own misguided ideas and logical fallacies is something you would never think of, am I right?

Oh joy!

Another thread posed in the form of a question that bashes Christians.

First "Was Jesus a Terrorist?", now this.


Unoriginal bastards.
Till now, the poll gave 44% yes and 56% no.
Didn't the Bible ask its followers to punish bastards for seven generations?
Feel free to open another topic with that question.

No. It prescribes a sucession of actions for the benefit of society, humanity, and, presumably, the human faith. The manner in which the Bible is interpreted, and hence what it inspires, may at times be considered "evil", however to its perspective, no, it is not. Anachronistic, yes. Fallible, yes. Incomplete, yes. But "evil", I sincerely doubt it.

Didn't the Bible ask its followers to punish bastards for seven generations?
It begs to question: Must we punish the bastard's father?

Too actually look beyond your own misguided ideas and logical fallacies is something you would never think of, am I right?

You've already made up your mind so why even bother to ask?

It begs to question: Must we punish the bastard's father?
I don't know, but I think the Bible says that a raped woman, if she's married, must be murdered (along with any pregnant child she's carrying as a result of the rape) by her husband. And if she's not married, she should be married off to the rapist, if he's not married too.

Till now, the poll gave 44% yes and 56% no.
Didn't the Bible ask its followers to punish bastards for seven generations?

Why don't you go visit evilbible.com and find out.



Feel free to open another topic with that question.


And take the attention away from the little Christian bashing party you have going on here?

Besides, I don't start threads, I finish them.

I don't know, but I think the Bible says that the raped woman, if she's married, must be murdered (along with any pregnant child she's carrying as a result of the rape) by her husband. And if she's not married, she should be married off to the rapist, if he's not married too.

What do you mean think?

Show me where in the Bible it says these things?

No, the bible's not evil.

Only the Old Testament is, what with the selling of daughters as slaves and stoning of adulterers and all.

The New Testament is good stuff, full of loving thy neighbours and other peace-and-love hippie nonsense.

Really? What about the parts about women keeping silent and obeying their husbands and not having minds of their own?

What do you mean think?

Show me where in the Bible it says these things?
Judges 19:24-29

“Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go. Then came the woman in the dawning of the day, and fell down at the door of the man’s house where her lord was, till it was light. And her lord rose up in the morning, and opened the doors of the house, and went out to go his way: and behold, the woman his concubine was fallen down at the door of the house, and her hands were upon the threshold. And he said unto her, Up, and let us be going. But none answered. Then the man took her up upon an ass, and the man rose up, and gat him unto his place. And when he was come into his house, he took a knife, and laid hold on his concubine, and divided her, together with her bones, into twelve pieces, and sent her into all the coasts of Israel.”

(Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.


(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NAB)
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
I am not a Bible expert. If you are, quote some good sayings from the Bible as an answer to my initial posts.

I am not a Bible expert. If you are, quote some good sayings from the Bible as an answer to my initial posts.


Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)
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28If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;

29Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days

Really? What about the parts about women keeping silent and obeying their husbands and not having minds of their own?

Are you refrencing Pauls' letters to the Corinthians?

Personally I don't really pay any attention to stuff outside of the 4 Gospels.

The Aposotles and Disciples were just men, who I'm sure, after Christ ascended into Heaven, took many liberties with his teachings.

The Aposotles and Disciples were just men, who I'm sure, after Christ ascended into Heaven, took many liberties with his teachings.
From the newly corroborated Gospel of Judas, director's cut:

Peter: "So, yeah, just before he died, Jesus took me apart and told me I was in charge, so that you know."
Phillip: "Oh, sure, he left you in charge and forgot to tell the rest!"
Peter: "Weeell, we were going to tell you, guys, but then, you know, the Romans and all."
Thomas: "Oh, sure, sure, I believe you... not!"
Phillip: "You know, now that I remember, I think he said something about wanting to leave me in charge"
Peter: "No, he did not"
Phillip: "Yes, he did"

The bible is, essentially, evil, because it detracts and confuses those who are truly trying to understand Jesus and god.

If it weren't for this enourmous impact on Christianity that it has, it wouldn't be evil. It would just be a book you could pick and choose lessons from, but Christianity says you have to take the entire thing because it's -all- god's word, so it's fucked from the get-go.

The bible is, essentially, evil, because it detracts and confuses those who are truly trying to understand Jesus and god.

If it weren't for this enourmous impact on Christianity that it has, it wouldn't be evil. It would just be a book you could pick and choose lessons from, but Christianity says you have to take the entire thing because it's -all- god's word, so it's fucked from the get-go.
Now though many would argue that as a Catholic I'm somehow not Christian, I must say that nobody ever taught me, in all my years in Catholic school or as a youth leader at my Catholic church, that you had to take the entire Bible at its word. They encouraged self-interpretation in how we can relate it all to our personal relationship with God, but I've never heard anybody relate to me that it was absolute truth or absolute law.

Simonist']Now though many would argue that as a Catholic I'm somehow not Christian, I must say that nobody ever taught me, in all my years in Catholic school or as a youth leader at my Catholic church, that you had to take the entire Bible at its word. They encouraged self-interpretation in how we can relate it all to our personal relationship with God, but I've never heard anybody relate to me that it was absolute truth or absolute law.

You've obviously never been around Southern Baptists. :p

You've obviously never been around Southern Baptists. :p
Actually, yeah, I try to avoid that....they're usually the ones who insist I'm not a Christian :rolleyes:

What is evil? Maybe wot is evil today wasn't evil then? Wot about that? HUH? HUH? (i apologise for my tone i ave jst arrived from a green racist discussion)

Simonist']Actually, yeah, I try to avoid that....they're usually the ones who insist I'm not a Christian :rolleyes:

If you think that's annoying, you should see the shit they spew on early-morning TV in my area.

Im catholic and the bible is merely a set of stories for the people at the time, it makes sense to them as they had the meanings behind it too, now we have to guess them people are starting to take it just a LITTE too seriously

Well, if you work on the sabbath day, you should be put to death.

What happened to Thou Shall Not Kill?

The OT was a horrendous attempt to keep control over a group of Jews during the Exodus. Whether or not you want to call that evil is your opinion. I don't want to say that it is completely evil, but it does promote both good and bad things.

Oh, come on. Just because you don't want to go to church doesn't make the Bible evil. Is a screwdriver evil? Even if someone uses it for an impromptu frontal lobotomy on an unwilling patient? No. The Bible is a book. How it's used, manipulated and re-interprested to suit some folks' needs -- now there's your potential for evil.

You've obviously never been around Southern Baptists. :p
I am a Southern Baptist and while it's true that we believe that all scripture is God breathed, all of it doesn't apply to everyone, the Bible is full of good lessons, but not everyone needs to learn them.


Actually, yeah, I try to avoid that....they're usually the ones who insist I'm not a Christian

I haven't met a Southern Baptist yet that thinks because someone is Catholic they are automatically not a Christian. (free-will baptists on the other hand....)

How it's used, manipulated and re-interprested to suit some folks' needs -- now there's your potential for evil.

Right. The Bible is not the evil. It is certain interpretations that can lead to intolerance and hate.

Well, if you work on the sabbath day, you should be put to death.

What happened to Thou Shall Not Kill?

The OT was a horrendous attempt to keep control over a group of Jews during the Exodus. Whether or not you want to call that evil is your opinion. I don't want to say that it is completely evil, but it does promote both good and bad things.
It's been widely accepted since the Dark Ages that "Thou Shalt Not Kill" implies killing with force and intended malice -- more directly, it would be "Thou Shalt Not Murder".

What is evil? Maybe wot is evil today wasn't evil then? Wot about that? HUH? HUH? (i apologise for my tone i ave jst arrived from a green racist discussion)

He's actually writing with an English accent, that's impressive.

I am a Southern Baptist and while it's true that we believe that all scripture is God breathed, all of it doesn't apply to everyone, the Bible is full of good lessons, but not everyone needs to learn them.




I haven't met a Southern Baptist yet that thinks because someone is Catholic they are automatically not a Christian. (free-will baptists on the other hand....)

Well, I guess it's different in Texas, then. Southern Baptists here aren't all that different from inquisitors...

Well, I guess it's different in Texas, then. Southern Baptists here aren't all that different from inquisitors...
well, yeah. You are in Texas.

Come a little north and see how much better things get. LOL


*hates Texas*

In my humble opinion as a guy who replies to posts on forums, I don't think you can justify calling the Bible evil, any more so than any other piece of holy text. Because evil isn't what was written thousands of years ago by the various prophets, but what we do. Evil is a word that we made up to describe horrific actions, defined by our own morals and ethics. The Bible is therefore no more evil than my desk, or a piece of sculpture. It's only when it's applied that we can ask questions about its morality, and so the evil comes not from the worshipping, but from the worshippers.

I suppose it detracts from my argument that I'm an atheist...

Well, I guess it's different in Texas, then. Southern Baptists here aren't all that different from inquisitors...
Ditto in Arkansas....

If the Bible is evil, then Fass is not gay.
If the way the bible is explained is not evil, then Fass is not gay.
that means the bible is evil.

that means the bible is evil.
Nah, it means the Bible is interpreted in an evil way. The book itself, though....not evil. I know for a fact. I've sprinkled Holy Water on it and there are no screams, cries, moans, or burning.

....wait....Holy Water. Bible. Catholic. Ooooooh....
No, I'm not ripping on my own religion, anybody worth their salt knows that was a damn joke....

Simonist']Ditto in Arkansas....

Oh god. I hate Arkansas. I had to go through there on the way to Oklahoma back in 2002, just because my grandma got a reservation for a really cheap hotel.

The "high point" (low point, really) was in this small mountain town just outside of Hot Springs. We walked into a restaurant, and everyone stared at us. It wasn't just a quick look to see if some well-known locals walked in, either. Every fucking person in the building stared at us until we got a table (which was about twenty seconds). It's a shame, too, because the food was really good. :p

I had a much better time in Oklahoma, but that's not saying much, because I loathed Tulsa. There are too many unfriendly, weird people there.

well, yeah. You are in Texas.

Come a little north and see how much better things get. LOL


*hates Texas*
Now, now, don't write off the whole state. I nearly married a Texan. I didn't call it off because she was religiously tense (she wasn't), I called it off because she was a status-seeking materialist (wanted a Lexus hardtop convertible, for example) who wanted status and material out of a music teacher.

Austin is pretty cool.

There are assholes in every state.

Simonist']It's been widely accepted since the Dark Ages that "Thou Shalt Not Kill" implies killing with force and intended malice

I would call an execution "force and intended malice."

that means the bible is evil.
Uh...no. Re-read that post.

Right. The Bible is not the evil. It is certain interpretations that can lead to intolerance and hate.
Dude you could interpret a cook book for hate.

I would call an execution "force and intended malice."
And I would call capital punishment a definitely un-Christian practice, so in my eyes that's not a valid arguement to what I stated.

And Potarius, there are some lovely parts to Arkansas.....the small towns along the Buffalo River.....the Buffalo River.....the national park for the Buffalo River.....that's all I got.

Dude you could interpret a cook book for hate.
Quoi?

Demonstration, s'il vous plait.

that means the bible is evil.
What? Fass isn't gay? :eek:

Now, now, don't write off the whole state. I nearly married a Texan. I didn't call it off because she was religiously tense (she wasn't), I called it off because she was a status-seeking materialist (wanted a Lexus hardtop convertible, for example) who wanted status and material out of a music teacher.

Austin is pretty cool.

There are assholes in every state.

Leechers suck, period.

Austin's great, and so is Corpus Christi. The inner parts of Houston are pretty cool, too... Just stay out of the suburbs (neo-nazi conservative hotbeds).

Quoi?

Demonstration, s'il vous plait.
Well, those cookbooks DO advocate the murder of poor, helpless chicken and slaughter of brocoli. And let's not forget their strong prejudice against celery. Nobody wants to cook with celery...

what makes sense to God might not necessarily make sense to us...

and He holds the keys.

Well, those cookbooks DO advocate the murder of poor, helpless chicken and slaughter of brocoli. And let's not forget their strong prejudice against celery. Nobody wants to cook with celery...

Bullshit. Most of the soup I eat has celery, and it's great.

Now, now, don't write off the whole state. I nearly married a Texan. I didn't call it off because she was religiously tense (she wasn't), I called it off because she was a status-seeking materialist (wanted a Lexus hardtop convertible, for example) who wanted status and material out of a music teacher.

Austin is pretty cool.

There are assholes in every state.
my best friend is from Texas, she escaped. I am not dumb enough to believe that everyone in Texas is stupid, I know that's idiotic. I just really don't like the state.

Shamrock, TX capitol of stupidity.

The bible is only evil towards gays and Witchcraft. Hippi's I dont care about because they are running through the forest right now:) Opps their running away from constrtion crew:eek:

Wicca I think is very nice. Only the whole goddess and god thing I dont like.

Simonist']And I would call capital punishment a definitely un-Christian practice, so in my eyes that's not a valid arguement to what I stated.

I'm confused. You state that it is okay to execute someone because it is not "force or intended malice," and therefore thou shall not kill does not apply to an execution. I said I would call an execution force or intended malice, considering you intend to put this person to death for the same crime you are about to commit towards him/her. How does this not apply?

Dude you could interpret a cook book for hate.

That doesn't make the cook book evil.

Jesus wasn't christian, he was jewish. Discuss;)
Christian means christ follower. So while Jesus was jewish, his shadow was clearly the first christian

I'm confused. You state that it is okay to execute someone because it is not "force or intended malice," and therefore thou shall not kill does not apply to an execution. I said I would call an execution force or intended malice, considering you intend to put this person to death for the same crime you are about to commit towards him/her. How does this not apply?
Tell me where exactly I said it was alright to execute somebody. I DID NOT. I wouldn't say such a thing because I don't believe such a thing. All I did was correct somebody on the meaning of the translation.

Don't read too far into things -- very oftentimes, you'll be wrong.

This poll is much closer than it should be. The bible is not such a great book, but it's a far shot from being evil. It's true that a lot of wars have been waged in the name of christianity, but to say that those wars would not have occured without the bible or even the religion is self-delusion. Those wars like most others were caused by ambitious or hateful people that saw religion as an easy way to sell a war to their subjects. On an indivigual level the bible is certainly not evil. While it does turn many people into assholes, it has also helped many people turn their lives around and become better parents and friends. So while the bible is a huge load of crap it can't be catagorized as evil.

I'm not saying it's because of the stories or what's happened because of the bible that I think it's "evil" (which may be too strong a word - I think 'generally bad' would cover it, or 'advised against' maybe) simply because of the solitary opinion I have that states that the bible only confuses and distracts us from the true meaning of god and Christ.

Are you a zealot or something??

I am saying the Bible is 0% evil. Period. End of discussion. Offical. Etched in stone.

I am saying the Bible is 0% evil. Period. End of discussion. Offical. Etched in stone.
Not quite. At least 38 posters voted yes in the poll.
Some people may have voted that the Bible is not evil based on their opinion that any book, by itself, can't be evil. I feel a third option of 'Books can't be evil' would have been proper to get the correct poll figures.

The Bible is no more evil than cheese. Neither are good nor evil, but either could be used as a tool for good or evil.

Christianity is not the bible. The Bible is a book, that if read in its original context and language would shock both modern Christians (especially Catholics) and ardent anti-Christians.
I am no friend of Christianity, and am opposed to many things in the bible as they get in the way of a pleasurable existence, but even I would not subject it to the completely irrelevant and intellectually stunted title of “evil”.

Christianity is not the bible. The Bible is a book, that if read in its original context and language would shock both modern Christians (especially Catholics) and ardent anti-Christians.
I am no friend of Christianity, and am opposed to many things in the bible as they get in the way of a pleasurable existence, but even I would not subject it to the completely irrelevant and intellectually stunted title of “evil”.
When leaders of the world (Bush, Blair et al) pepper their messages with the word "evil", it automatically becomes part of intellectually acceptable vocabulary in unrelated contexts. The question is not whether the Bible gets in the way of "pleasurable existence", as you not so elegantly put, it is whether the Bible, if it's evil, is capable of getting in the way of human existence eventually.

Are you crazy?!?! The Bible is the EXACT OPPOSITE of evil! It's God's word! Shhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssshhhhhhhhh.:)

Im not saying I think the bible is evil, but it can be evil, because the bible was not written by God, but by mortals with all of their weaknesses

it is whether the Bible, if it's evil, is capable of getting in the way of human existence eventually.
Certainly not. It will die out eventually. Humanity has weathered worse faiths and ideologies. It isn't on the level of Nazism.

Certainly not. It will die out eventually. Humanity has weathered worse faiths and ideologies. It isn't on the level of Nazism.
weathered it? western society has revolved around it for a thousand years. it isn't going to die out any time soon.

Not quite. At least 38 posters voted yes in the poll.
Some people may have voted that the Bible is not evil based on their opinion that any book, by itself, can't be evil. I feel a third option of 'Books can't be evil' would have been proper to get the correct poll figures.


Yeah, I know. It's just my opinion.:rolleyes:

weathered it? western society has revolved around it for a thousand years.
And it has, for all that time, invariably held us back.

Dude, Christ was a hippie. Any Christian claiming to hate hippies is clearly not a christian at all.

:) Especially since hating people is a tad unChristian

:) Especially since hating people is a tad unChristian
No, hating people is against the bible. It’s perfectly acceptable among certain Christian sects and was considered alright by nearly everyone at the height of Catholic power in Europe.

Evil is subjective.

It is filled with advice yet it is up to us to enterpret it correctly. The use of the bible in evil ways is wrong that doesn't make the bible evil. It is up to us to use it proerly so that it isn't used by evil.

It's not evil, more like stupid.

Basically, as Bill Maher puts it, it's a book of Jewish fairy tales that say if women wear pants their decree is death by stoning.

Actually that's the Torah, which is part of the Bible. :upyours:

It's not evil, more like stupid.

Basically, as Bill Maher puts it, it's a book of Jewish fairy tales that say if women wear pants their decree is death by stoning.

Actually that's the Torah, which is part of the Bible. :upyours:

Are you joking or are just a fracking idiot?

Is the bible evil? No. Are jack holes who twist it to support their warped agendas evil? Yes.

A piece of lumber can be used to help build a house. Or it can be used to bash your head in. Does that make it good/evil either way?

But I thought the Christians hate hippies??? :confused:
Actually the Christians make policy of hating themselves, given the whole "we're all sinners" attitude :rolleyes:
It would appear they act most bellicose and vociferous to those whom they envy most. ESPECIALLY given Jesus of Nazareth's explicit social nature.

The bible isn't evil, just the people that read it!

Jesus was a Nasalchristian. That is, he followed his own nose.
Jesus, the Toucan of Nazareth?

Far out. I could see him zooming through the jungle in a loincloth, sniffing out a bowl of cereal while a few highly amused onlookers with milk (instead of nails) attempt to capture him .....


...makes sense.

The bible isn't evil, just the people that read it!
I've read it, and i'm not any more evil than ... say, Dark Shadowy Nexus, H N Fiddlebottoms VIII, or perhaps even Lunatic Goofballs ... :(

Well I always did wonder, when he saw the prostitutes in the temples and he turned the table over, just what part of his anatomy did he use to do that?
He used his divine manhood (as the sceptre of the Pope so disappointingly attempts to represent) as the weirding module and exclaimed his own name in ecstasy. There was a bit of a chorus effect, for obvious reasons, given his audience.

Books are books, they have no nature at all.
Just a thought .... what is the nature of asking someone to "swear on the Bible", then?
It's not "god". It's not even a decent representation of "god".

I've read it, and i'm not any more evil than ... say, Dark Shadowy Nexus, H N Fiddlebottoms VIII, or perhaps even Lunatic Goofballs ... :(
You kinda just did yourself in there.... :p

what makes sense to God might not necessarily make sense to us...

and He holds the keys.
Then make him put 'em in the bowl 'cuz he's acting like a belligerant drunk P.O.S., and he's been known to wipe out a few WHEN he's FOCUSED. :eek:

Simonist']You kinda just did yourself in there.... :p
Did you want me to LIE?
Sheesh, not all of us can climb a pedestal .... ;)

EDIT: Ah, it must have been the LG thing. So now, that crosses out forum conversation AS WELL AS public conversation for places to bring him up.

Yes ! But the Q'Ran* beats it !



*-Bloody sexist Q'Ran !!!

The only good part of the Bible are the first 4 books of the NT.