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there is a Scientoloist nation On the II forum (he's not realy a member of Scientology) and i was wonder what you think

Oh noes.

why?

Total bullshit, dangerous rediculous cult.

yep.

That's from the crap science-fiction writer who invented a money-making scheme and called it a religion, right?

yep.

This is all about that Tom Cruise/Katie Holmes silent birth crap isn't it?

I don't think of it....until someone brings it up.

Readers Digest from the 1940’s, “Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wants to make a million dollars, the best way would be to start his own religion.” - Ron. L Hubbard

there is a Scientoloist nation On the II forum (he's not realy a member of Scientology) and i was wonder what you think
do i have to repeat my self?

Utracia This is all about that Tom Cruise/Katie Holmes silent birth crap isn't it?

...It was no wonder that the scientific community did not even want to think about publishing Hubbard’s Dianetics – many scorned it with scathing remarks such as “a lunatic revision of Freudian psychology ”and “[it] had the look of a wonderfully rewarding scam”(both by author Jack Williamson). The American Psychological Association in 1950 published a statement in the New York Times which follows- “the association calls attention to the fact that these claims are not supported by empirical evidence,” and continued on to warn against the use of Dianetics until further scientific studies had been completed. The next year, Consumer Reports assessed Dianetics, concluding that it was “the basis for a new cult”. This turned out to be truer than they would have imagined....
(no wonder he had it in for psychologists)

....” It would become more so difficult to believe the claims of Hubbard when his own son, L. Ron Hubbard Jr. stated in 1983 “99% of what my father ever wrote or said about himself is totally untrue.”...

From an objective point of view it is just as likely to be "the holy truth" as a random flavour of Christianity, Islam etc. That doesn't take away that it is also a brainwashing moneymaking scheme.

Readers Digest from the 1940’s, “Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wants to make a million dollars, the best way would be to start his own religion.” - Ron. L Hubbard

That is strange. A guy named L. Ron Hubbard said the EXACT same thing once. :p

do i have to repeat my self?

Using it as cover. :p

whateva, i always get that part of his name mixed up... still, I found some gold quotes about him and scientology when i wrote a report on "Outline how L. Ron Hubbard’s life portrayed by himself and the Church of Scientology conflicts with secular evidence"

the scientologist is the epitome of pink.

death to all false prophets and new wagers :upyours:

on a more conversational note, i've noticed scientologist book vendors at two different malls recently. it was actually the same woman at both malls, but she had cohorts. has anyone else noticed this disturbing phenomenon?

she had a shelf of books with such gripping titles as L. Ron Hubbard... On Children and L. Ron Hubbard... On Drugs.

whateva, i always get that part of his name mixed up... still, I found some gold quotes about him and scientology when i wrote a report on "Outline how L. Ron Hubbard’s life portrayed by himself and the Church of Scientology conflicts with secular evidence"

Yes, but as the ID crowd will tell you "conflicting evidence is wrong evidence". One should simply adapt the definition of science and find contrived solutions to that problem. Faith after all trumps observable evidence.

So spoke the Kansas boad of Education. We must follow where they lead.

(finds a place to vomit now)

i love the pol stats.. :D:D:D:D

About the same as the Raelians.

i wouldn't say its any more dangerous then christianity or islam, but i wouldn't say it's any less tedius either. heinlien's fosterites in strainger in a strainge land were a lot more fun and interesting, even though there's a relationship between the two.

hoomans have an increadible obsession with silliness.

=^^=
.../\...

Yeah, see how loud you people talk when Xenu escapes from his force cage and returns to manipulate our body thetans into forcing us to pay taxes and get therapy.

It'll be real goddamn funny then.

ROFLMFAO at Scientology, lol :D

Yeah, basically what Kanabia said, Scientologists are about the same as Raelians... except a bit more mean and nasty.

I would be suprised if "Total Bullshit" does not get 100% of the votes.

ROFLMFAO at Scientology, lol :D

Yeah, basically what Kanabia said, Scientologists are about the same as Raelians... except a bit more mean and nasty.

No way! Rael just drove racecars. L. Ron flew small-engine aircraft. Its a completely different level of prophetude.

Has there ever been an NS poll to get 100% of the vote? Even the discordians and chaoticists are going to give this poll a neat 100%?

It's absolute bullshit. It's not even a religion. What god do they follow?

This is all about that Tom Cruise/Katie Holmes silent birth crap isn't it?
I tell you something for nothing, once the contractions kick in that idea is going straight out the window.

Has there ever been an NS poll to get 100% of the vote? Even the discordians and chaoticists are going to give this poll a neat 100%?
:fluffle:

I tell you something for nothing, once the contractions kick in that idea is going straight out the window.
No doubt there.

I think they say it's "silent" and just go way the hell out in the middle of nowhere so nobody can hear the screams. Then they come back and act all centered and superior, as if somehow their fake "silence" makes them righteous.

No doubt there.

I think they say it's "silent" and just go way the hell out in the middle of nowhere so nobody can hear the screams. Then they come back and act all centered and superior, as if somehow their fake "silence" makes them righteous.
The girl would want to have counter tourture training from the FSB not to scream.This is going to be the quickest convertion in religious history since the whole road to damascus incident.;)

Their belief system in Scientology is definitive proof that both John Travolta and Tom Cruise are feeble and weak-minded.

Their brainwashing techniques are obviously quiet effective - Katie Holmes, once a staunch Catholic was converted after disappearing with Tome Cruise for less than a week.

Their belief system in Scientology is definitive proof that both John Travolta and Tom Cruise are feeble and weak-minded.

Their brainwashing techniques are obviously quiet effective - Katie Holmes, once a staunch Catholic was converted after disappearing with Tome Cruise for less than a week.
Kinda reminds me of the 'mindhead' joke from the movie bowfinger.

Their belief system in Scientology is definitive proof that both John Travolta and Tom Cruise are feeble and weak-minded.

Their brainwashing techniques are obviously quiet effective - Katie Holmes, once a staunch Catholic was converted after disappearing with Tome Cruise for less than a week.

Well, for some folks, religious indoctrination is like sandblasting a soupcracker.

Read some of this crap. This is about the supposed past lives of Scientologists:

These included memories of being "deceived into a love affair with a robot decked out as a beautiful red-haired girl", being run over by a Martian bishop driving a steamroller, being transformed into an intergalactic walrus that perished after falling out of a flying saucer, and being "a very happy being who strayed to the planet Nostra 23,064,000,000 years ago".

These included memories of being "deceived into a love affair with a robot decked out as a beautiful red-haired girl", being run over by a Martian bishop driving a steamroller, being transformed into an intergalactic walrus that perished after falling out of a flying saucer, and being "a very happy being who strayed to the planet Nostra 23,064,000,000 years ago".
Shite, that happened me last night!!!:eek: (many, many drinks were had:) )

Alright, who voted 'somewhat believeable?
:eek:

"what do you think of Scientology?"

I try to not think of it at every available opportunity.

"what do you think of Scientology?"

I try to not think of it at every available opportunity.
:fluffle:

This is all about that Tom Cruise/Katie Holmes silent birth crap isn't it?
She isn't even allowed to have her mother there!

She won't be allowed to coddle her infant! I mean... her INFANT??!! That is going to be one fucked up kid...

Hey, where's the 'Hail Xenu' option on the poll?

Alright, who voted 'somewhat believeable?
:eek:

They ruined it for the rest of us.

I had to work with a scientologist once. He was quite convinced that if he became an OT he could make someone feel cold with is mind(that was an example he used). An odd man to say the least. He tried to tell me about good sites for watching people have sex.

Em, how accurate is wikipedias picture of L. Ron Hubbard?
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/NuGo1988/LRHisacheeseburger.jpg

Em, how accurate is wikipedias picture of L. Ron Hubbard?
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/NuGo1988/LRHisacheeseburger.jpg

I'd say it's a good likeness.

Em, how accurate is wikipedias picture of L. Ron Hubbard?
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/NuGo1988/LRHisacheeseburger.jpg

LMAO, is that real, or was it real?

i can not understand how people can take something a science fiction writer wrote and think it is true.

wait..... i forgot about star wars, star trek, and numerous other things

moral of the story is science fiction is evil :headbang:

i give it a week before the great team of scientology lawyers try to shut this thread down

Scientology? I'm highly suspicious of it ever since I've first read about it in "Wir Kinder vom Banhof Zoo". The main character talked about how they were "helping" her get off of heroin. They didn't do jackshit besides say "Good job for handing in your needles, we like that".

She isn't even allowed to have her mother there!

She won't be allowed to coddle her infant! I mean... her INFANT??!! That is going to be one fucked up kid...

its going to be one fucked up kid for numerous reasons.

1. it will most likely be scientologist
2. its father will be tom cruise (seriously someone should of neutered him and stopped him from infecting the gene pool)
3. it is going to be living in a care free enviroment where it will never learn a single value of anything

I'd say it's a good likeness.
Wiki vandalism FTW!

It's a cult that preys on the weak-minded and emotionally vulnerable. ... Oh, wait, that would be every cult that ever was. .. or possibly, every religion that ever was.

I wonder how long it will take for those 64 people to get sued....

Complete and utter bullshit and I'm amazed that anyone, even total morons takes it seriously. It's so absurdly obvious that it's bullshit that it isn't even funny (well, it is, sort of). It's actually scary that people believe in this shit. I mean, even the name is stupid and flies in the face of how Greek and Latin roots are supposed to be used in English.

Complete and utter bullshit and I'm amazed that anyone, even total morons takes it seriously. It's so absurdly obvious that it's bullshit that it isn't even funny (well, it is, sort of). It's actually scary that people believe in this shit. I mean, even the name is stupid and flies in the face of how Greek and Latin roots are supposed to be used in English.
According to the wikipedia article on it, the word scientology was fisrt coined as a synonym of psuedoscience. Ironic, no?

I always forget what they believe in. Does it have anything to do with flying monkeys appearing out of various orifaces?

I wanna know which four people think Scientology is somewhat believable. I need to kick some ass, damnit. :p

I always forget what they believe in. Does it have anything to do with flying monkeys appearing out of various orifaces?

The southpark episode "trapped in the closet" offers an excellent summary.
It is legally hosted on several sites, though Tom Cruise is trying to take them all down.
http://www.xenutv.com/cruise/sp-closet.htm

The southpark episode "trapped in the closet" offers an excellent summary.
It is legally hosted on several sites, though Tom Cruise is trying to take them all down.
http://www.xenutv.com/cruise/sp-closet.htm

Excellent!


Damned Tom Cruise.

The southpark episode "trapped in the closet" offers an excellent summary.
It is legally hosted on several sites, though Tom Cruise is trying to take them all down.
http://www.xenutv.com/cruise/sp-closet.htm

That's one of the best episodes ever. :D

L. Ron Hubbard is probably laughing in his grave.

I just howled over the caption that SP put up when they depicted the tenets of Scientology (thetans, aliens, volcanoes and all):

THIS IS WHAT SCIENTOLOGISTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE

Hilarious!

The southpark episode "trapped in the closet" offers an excellent summary.
It is legally hosted on several sites, though Tom Cruise is trying to take them all down.
http://www.xenutv.com/cruise/sp-closet.htm


Well, if you know how Scientologists work, you understand why they are effective of near total censorship of themselves. When they "sue" a publication or other similiar company, they are not actually trying to win the case. They don't care about winning, really. What they are instead trying to do is tie up the case in court for as long as possible, draining the defendant(s) of resources, until they finally break. They wish to destroy people, not prove a point. And they are very effective at doing this.

Well, if you know how Scientologists work, you understand why they are effective of near total censorship of themselves. When they "sue" a publication or other similiar company, they are not actually trying to win the case. They don't care about winning, really. What they are instead trying to do is tie up the case in court for as long as possible, draining the defendant(s) of resources, until they finally break. They wish to destroy people, not prove a point. And they are very effective at doing this.
Especially since they have the resources of all of their converts, who are put under considerable pressure to give the Church money.

Especially since they have the resources of all of their converts, who are put under considerable pressure to give the Church money.

Yep. The "Church" of Scientology has nearly unlimited funds when it comes to money. They can easily out last almost any organization in a court case. Which is why so few people are willing to even bring forth anything that would spike controversy with Scientologists. They also know many loopholes in the system to stave cases as long as possible, making it even more untempting to speak against them.

Truly evil, vindictive bunch of people.

Alright, who voted 'somewhat believeable?
:eek:

ME!!!

Just kidding. I have no clue what it is.

Yep. The "Church" of Scientology has nearly unlimited funds when it comes to money.

What the...? I had no idea Yogi Berra was on NS!

Wotcher!

I think we'll all get disconnected for our views, and probably sued!

The first Scientologists I ever met were a brother and sister who were always naked whenever I knocked on the door to their family's apartment...

Sorry, that must be my reactive mind causing me to doubt the good intentions of Xenu's thetan controlling engrams...

What the...? I had no idea Yogi Berra was on NS!
Touche!

Touche!

And now he's been sigged. Mwahahahahaha.

And now he's been sigged. Mwahahahahaha.

I made it in a sig. Yay.

Now could someone point out how what I said was related to Yogi Berra? Out of curiosity.

I made it in a sig. Yay.

Now could someone point out how what I said was related to Yogi Berra? Out of curiosity.

What you said was super-redundant. "Funds" and "Money" are the same thing. :p

What you said was super-redundant. "Funds" and "Money" are the same thing. :p

And Yogi Berra said redundant things? I caught why what I said was funny, just wasn't sure of the Yogi Berra reference.

And Yogi Berra said redundant things? I caught why what I said was funny, just wasn't sure of the Yogi Berra reference.

Yeah, he was the king of redundancy (among other things).

It's absolute bullshit. It's not even a religion. What god do they follow?

Since when was following a god a prerequiste for a religion? Hey somebody call the buddhists and tell that that Kievan said they need a god for a religion.

On topic meh I look at them in the same light as any other religion. Some crazy shit mixed in with a message.

Since when was following a god a prerequiste for a religion? Hey somebody call the buddhists and tell that that Kievan said they need a god for a religion.

On topic meh I look at them in the same light as any other religion. Some crazy shit mixed in with a message.

The message being that we evolved from sloths and clams, which explains why people are unhappy, and there's also a spaceship in there somewhere, I believe.

That's from the crap science-fiction writer who invented a money-making scheme and called it a religion, right?

Precisely. A clever multi-level-marketing pyramid system selling pseudo-philosophical hot air for big bucks.

Though not as successful as the Catholic indulgence sales around 1500.

The message being that we evolved from sloths and clams, which explains why people are unhappy, and there's also a spaceship in there somewhere, I believe.

That look like airplanes. Funny thing is, the way Southpark showed it on the "Trapped in the Closet" episode was EXACTLY what they believe, albeit para-phrased. Watch it, it is by far the funniest episode in a long while.

That look like airplanes. Funny thing is, the way Southpark showed it on the "Trapped in the Closet" episode was EXACTLY what they believe, albeit para-phrased. Watch it, it is by far the funniest episode in a long while.

To be honest, the biggest joke is Scientology itself.

Woot, I was the 100th voter to say it was bullshit.

The message being that we evolved from sloths and clams, which explains why people are unhappy, and there's also a spaceship in there somewhere, I believe.

Sounds about as zany as people being made from mud and a rib and that people are unhappy because 2 of them ate a fruit.

Woot, I was the 100th voter to say it was bullshit.

Hurrah!

Yeah, see how loud you people talk when Xenu escapes from his force cage and returns to manipulate our body thetans into forcing us to pay taxes and get therapy.

It'll be real goddamn funny then.

ROFL

Can someone tell me what Scientology is? I've obviously got no idea.

But as far as I know from what was written in this thread... I think it's a few over-obsessive scifi fans... is that right?

:gundge:

Can someone tell me what Scientology is? I've obviously got no idea.

But as far as I know from what was written in this thread... I think it's a few over-obsessive scifi fans... is that right?

:gundge:

More like a few million... Go to Wikipedia and check it out for yourself. It's the funniest thing you'll read all week.

More like a few million... Go to Wikipedia and check it out for yourself. It's the funniest thing you'll read all week.
I do hope they haven't fixed that picture of L Ron Hubbard on the Wiki yet.

I do hope they haven't fixed that picture of L Ron Hubbard on the Wiki yet.

I'm not sure, because I've never done a wiki search for it. :p

I really don't care about what people choose to believe its one of those areas where you cant be right

None of the options even come close to my opinion on the matter. In fact, I'd say that this poll has an extreme bias to it.

It may or may not be a load of bullshit (whether or not it is is immaterial);
I do not find it to be believeable;
I know what it is; and,
I do not believe it to be any more 'right' than any other religion.

In the words of the Almighty Anon: "This poll sucks."

I really don't care about what people choose to believe its one of those areas where you cant be right

No no no no no no, no. Scientology is total, complete, and utter bullshit. Look it up --- it's absolutely ridiculous.

From an objective point of view it is just as likely to be "the holy truth" as a random flavour of Christianity, Islam etc. That doesn't take away that it is also a brainwashing moneymaking scheme.

But thats what I dont get about it. While Islam and christianity may well be made up, at least they stem from ancient cultures and traditions, and people are born into them and know no other way of thinking. But Scientology is just so obviously made up. I mean we even know who made it up and when. So what the hell makes people believe it? Its so stupid it is literally beyond belief.

I think the South Park scientology episode pretty much sums it all up...

I don't have a problem with Scientology. I mean yeah, it's a little weird, but so is Christianity when you come to think about it. However, I am convinced that Tom Cruise is not a "true" Scientologist. He just converted as a publicity stunt.


Tom Cruise is on drugs. :upyours:

I think most of us can agree that it's total bullshit.

I think this is a rumor but the sad thing is that it's totally believable:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/406008p-343805c.html

Did you know that virgins can get pregnant with Messiahs? And that 75 mil years ago some crazy bastard named Xenu came and blew up volcanoes?

This one teacher of this one humanities course is a hardcore trekkie and my friend thinks she becomes a Scientologist when she gets drunk.

Since when was following a god a prerequiste for a religion? Hey somebody call the buddhists and tell that that Kievan said they need a god for a religion.

The whole Karmic energy thing they have is kinda a god. They follow it, and try to keep it happy, don't they?

*reads about the Xenu shit*

Oh my god. This shit makes every other religion look entirely believable and rational.