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So who's going to be the next mob leader? :p

poll coming

I was a little shocked that Belinda dropped out, but, other than that, I haven't paid much attention to the whole ordeal.

that professor guy from Harvard. I really am not interested in attempting to spell his name.

I was a little shocked that Belinda dropped out, but, other than that, I haven't paid much attention to the whole ordeal.

That's a good thing. At least we won't have another Kim Campbell ruling our country.

Who cares?

At this rate, the Tories are going to have a government for a long time...

That's a good thing. At least we won't have another Kim Campbell ruling our country.

*shudders at thought*

that professor guy from Harvard. I really am not interested in attempting to spell his name.http://www.cbc.ca/mercerreport/videos/ignatieff.wvx

:D

That's a good thing. At least we won't have another Kim Campbell ruling our country.

Didn't say I wanted her leading the country. I was just pretty sure after all that party-shuffling that she wasn't in politics for the joy of fighting for her beleifs, but rather the joy of having quite a large sum of power.

Who cares?

At this rate, the Tories are going to have a government for a long time...

Do not say such horrid things. I'm hoping through the leadership convention, at least one of the candidates would prove he's a star, so that Harper would be kicked off. Nobody trusts him.

Who cares?

At this rate, the Tories are going to have a government for a long time...

Uggh. Some of us still have a hope for salvation.

http://www.cbc.ca/mercerreport/videos/ignatieff.wvx

:D

Gotta love the Mercer Report. Best show on CBC. :D

Didn't say I wanted her leading the country. I was just pretty sure after all that party-shuffling that she wasn't in politics for the joy of fighting for her beleifs, but rather the joy of having quite a large sum of power.

A poll on CTV earlier showed that more people wanted Belinda Stronach to be the next leader of the Liberals than any other candidate. Now, that either means as a country, we're very politically ignorant, or we're truly want her to win. Either way, we're screwed.

Vote Green!

Who cares?

At this rate, the Tories are going to have a government for a long time...We'll wait and see, just hope Harper don't screw up.

Anyway...
NDP NDP NDP... :D

Uggh. Some of us still have a hope for salvation.

Maybe people will finally realize that both the liberals and the tories suck, and vote the NDP in...

A person can dream, right?

I picked Bob Rae, because I like that name.

A poll on CTV earlier showed that more people wanted Belinda Stronach to be the next leader of the Liberals than any other candidate. Now, that either means as a country, we're very politically ignorant, or we're truly want her to win. Either way, we're screwed.A hottie (not really) for PM? Hmmmm.... >.>

Maybe people will finally realize that both the liberals and the tories suck, and vote the NDP in...

A person can dream, right?

Here's my dream: The Torries fall into a bottomless pit, never to be seen again, the Liberals elect a leader who is at least midly left-wing, and the NDP's rediscover the meaning of socialism and spend their Friday nights in smelly basements, smoking profusely and arguing over who has the most radical platform.

Here's my dream: The Torries fall into a bottomless pit, never to be seen again, That's my wish. :D

the Liberals elect a leader who is at least midly left-wing, Bob Rae?

and the NDP's rediscover the meaning of socialism and spend their Friday nights in smelly basements, smoking profusely and arguing over who has the most radical platform.LOL

Here's my dream: The Torries fall into a bottomless pit, never to be seen again, the Liberals elect a leader who is at least midly left-wing, and the NDP's rediscover the meaning of socialism and spend their Friday nights in smelly basements, smoking profusely and arguing over who has the most radical platform.

I like your dream. :D But you need to work the Bloc into it. Also, the NDP should be arguing with the Green Party and the Marijuana party over who has the most radical platform.

Wow, people in Canada actually mention more than two parties. Intresting...

Bob Rae?


Who was Bob Rae again? That name's so familiar...

Who was Bob Rae again? That name's so familiar...Former Ontario Premier. The only NDP premier Ontario ever had.

I like your dream. :D But you need to work the Bloc into it. Also, the NDP should be arguing with the Green Party and the Marijuana party over who has the most radical platform.

I wouldn't do anything to the Bloc; it's very entertaining as it is. The Green's and Marijuana should merge to form the Weedy Green's party, official Hippy standby. They'd be allowed into the smelly socialist domains if they really wanted to.

Wow, people in Canada actually mention more than two parties. Intresting...Yes, Canada have more than two parties:

Crooks, Facists, Commies, and Traitors. :D

When I first saw the title of this thread, and read the start, I thought it was about the Liberal US leadership, then I saw the Poll question, and realised, I guess this must be about Canada, LOL.

But this thread is about Liberals in the Canadian sense of the word, so now you can go back on subject.

Wow, people in Canada actually mention more than two parties. Intresting...

The US totally had three parties last election. Ralph Nader got at least.......0.5% of the popular vote...

We'll wait and see, just hope Harper don't screw up.

Anyway...
NDP NDP NDP... :D

SECONDED!

The US totally had three parties last election. Ralph Nader got at least.......0.5% of the popular vote...

Come on...Mickey Mouse didn't get any? :D

I should probably start paying attantion to Canadian politics, as I may be moving there after graduation. So, who are the assholes running your country, and how do they differ from our assholes?

Come on...Mickey Mouse didn't get any? :D


He came in second. Goofy won.

Yes, Canada have more than two parties:

Crooks, Facists, Commies, and Traitors. :D

You forgot the potheads and the hippies. :p

Come on...Mickey Mouse didn't get any? :D

Well, he was popular with the Under-5 bracket, but most adult Americans found his views on animal rights to be very contraversial.

I wouldn't do anything to the Bloc; it's very entertaining as it is. The Green's and Marijuana should merge to form the Weedy Green's party, official Hippy standby. They'd be allowed into the smelly socialist domains if they really wanted to.

Seperatism is dead. The Blocs are just to ... well, block headed to see that. And a merge among the NDP, the Green, and the Marijuana in BC actually wouldn't be bad! :eek:

Former Ontario Premier. The only NDP premier Ontario ever had.

Oh yeah! pfft, traitor. He betrayed the NDP! bastard.

The US totally had three parties last election. Ralph Nader got at least.......0.5% of the popular vote...

Since when did popular vote matter here?

Since when did popular vote matter here?

It matters to me...

It matters to me...

I meant in the U.S., If popular vote mattered, Bush wouldn't have won, IIRC. The first time I think.

I meant in the U.S., If popular vote mattered, Bush wouldn't have won, IIRC. The first time I think.
Correct, just the first time.

I can't believe I've been a JenniferGovernment nation for this long, as this is only my first post on the message boards:eek:

Anyway, on topic:

It would be very hypocritical of the Liberals to elect Michael Ignatieff, a man who has been VERY vocal about his support for the Iraq war, and a supporter of foreign American intervention in general (I believe he called it a "benign American empire" in one of his books).

Also, he supposedly made some sort of offensive remark with regards to Ukrainians; certainly not a big plus for a would-be PM.

I'm not sure what people see in him, other than shallow charm. He hasn't lived in Canada for the past 20(?) years and was only just elected MP 3 months ago.

Surely the Liberal party can find someone better than this overhyped Trudeau-wannabe. He may have more charm than Harper, but the public in general seems to be warming to Harper. (Even with the David Emerson fiasco, his poll numbers have increased steadily since election day.)

Ignatieff has too much of an air of arrogance about him, exactly the image the Liberals should be trying to move away from. I think he would bleed badly from the left to the NDP because of his Bush-like view of foreign policy (much, MUCH moreso than Harper), and should Harper have a decent first term, the Tories could easily woo some of the more moderate Liberal voters. (After all, the Liberals are ideologically MUCH closer to the Tories than the NDP)

I would say that Gerrard Kennedy has the charisma and connections to be a great Prime Minister. Unfortunately, outside Ontario he's little known, and I don't think he's going to have the clout in the federal party to take the leadership.

Ignatieff is the most likely winner in my books, although not my choice. I think that if Ignatieff wins, his 30 year absence from Canada and relatively small political experience won't match up to Harper and the Conservative party if the Conservatives run a 'clean ship' in their minority term. (It's their's to lose essentially.)

Making Bob Rae the Federal Liberal leader would be a huge mistake. The idea behind putting Bob Rae in the Liberal command chair is that he will somehow 'unite the left', to stop left-leaning voters from splitting the vote and giving the conservatives seats. Except that Bob Rae is a four-letter word in Ontario, from the Right and Left wings of the political spectrum. Bob Rae as leader would be a lost cause for the Liberal Party, because he would cost votes in Ontario.

I was a little shocked that Belinda dropped out, but, other than that, I haven't paid much attention to the whole ordeal.
You were shocked? Have you not being watching the actions of this woman?She just realized that it might involve some real work to do,rebuilding the party. Face it,She's a dabbler,she wants power without the effort.

that professor guy from Harvard. I really am not interested in attempting to spell his name.He's an Academic,do we really want an egghead running the Party?

That's a good thing. At least we won't have another Kim Campbell ruling our country.Belinda Stronach makes Kim Campbell look good.Is that possible?

I picked Bob Rae, because I like that name.A former NDP Premier of Ontario who bankrupted the province wants to run for the Liberal Leadership,Are you serious?:rolleyes: Sorry ,didn't realize you were kidding,Sorry.

I should probably start paying attantion to Canadian politics, as I may be moving there after graduation. So, who are the assholes running your country, and how do they differ from our assholes?CONSERVATIVE,Finally stopping the tide of liberalism in this country.CONSERVATIVE Just to be clear

CONSERVATIVE,Finally stopping the tide of liberalism in this country.CONSERVATIVE Just to be clear
with a minority government meaning that they will have limited ability to increase spending with less money. i always wonder why conservatives enjoy debt so much.

Making Bob Rae the Federal Liberal leader would be a huge mistake. The idea behind putting Bob Rae in the Liberal command chair is that he will somehow 'unite the left', to stop left-leaning voters from splitting the vote and giving the conservatives seats. Except that Bob Rae is a four-letter word in Ontario, from the Right and Left wings of the political spectrum. Bob Rae as leader would be a lost cause for the Liberal Party, because he would cost votes in Ontario.
Who would Ontario vote for if the Libs are out of the question?

Also, could we get a brief description of each candidate?

So who's going to be the next mob leader? :p

poll coming
Mob, is a tad heavy handed, but of the lot, I like Gerrard Kennedy

Belinda Stronach makes Kim Campbell look good.Is that possible?
No it is not possible.

Do not say such horrid things. I'm hoping through the leadership convention, at least one of the candidates would prove he's a star, so that Harper would be kicked off. Nobody trusts him.
For very good reasons.

While it ought to be Gerard Kennedy, it'll probably be Michael Ignatieff, which will be unfortunate for the Liberals, as he'll make for a really quite ineffectual Party Leader.

The mind boggles.

Do not say such horrid things. I'm hoping through the leadership convention, at least one of the candidates would prove he's a star, so that Harper would be kicked off. Nobody trusts him.
And it would be Kennedy! We need someone who's worked with the downtrodden.

Do not say such horrid things. I'm hoping through the leadership convention, at least one of the candidates would prove he's a star, so that Harper would be kicked off. Nobody trusts him.

Nobody trusts Harper? Well that's funny, it appears his approval rate is above majority

Nobody trusts Harper? Well that's funny, it appears his approval rate is above majority
that's because he replaced the liberals. he hasn't had time to cause damage yet.

Nobody trusts Harper? Well that's funny, it appears his approval rate is above majority
That's because CanWest Global polls exclusively on the prairies. Yeah, he's got great numbers in Red Deer. That doesn't translate to urban centers, where most Canadians live - and where he only has one MP, the vile opportunist David Emerson of Vancouver.

that's because he replaced the liberals. he hasn't had time to cause damage yet.
He's already barred the press in several ways; he's going to feel the wrath of Canadians sooner or later, but, most likely sooner if the national press doesn't get full access that they used to.

Nobody trusts Harper? Well that's funny, it appears his approval rate is above majorityThat's because the Liberal Party is totally fucked up. Also, it seems like Harper's government are sticking to their promises, especially the accountability act. I believe that's why his approval rating went up.

That's because CanWest Global polls exclusively on the prairies. Yeah, he's got great numbers in Red Deer. That doesn't translate to urban centers, where most Canadians live - and where he only has one MP, the vile opportunist David Emerson of Vancouver.Not just Global, CTV/Globe and Mail/Strategic Counsel gave Harper 39%.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060415/conservative_poll_060415?s_name=&no_ads=

I have yet to see polls conducted for CBC.

BTW, CanWest Global is like Fox News of Canada and David Emerson is the biggest asshat ever out of 308 MPs

He's already barred the press in several ways; he's going to feel the wrath of Canadians sooner or later, but, most likely sooner if the national press doesn't get full access that they used to.If you watched the Mercer Report, he made fun of Harper many times about his media dodging. Pretty hilarious.

If you watched the Mercer Report, he made fun of Harper many times about his media dodging. Pretty hilarious.
Rick Mercer is democratic with his insults though.

Rick Mercer is democratic with his insults though.

Eh, they're funny, and it's entertainment. That's all that matters. You can't get too politically correct when it comes to insulting politicians. :p

CONSERVATIVE,Finally stopping the tide of liberalism in this country.CONSERVATIVE Just to be clear


Isn't the new PM Conservative? You know that guy with his head so far up Dubya's ass he can see Dubya's spleen?

I like your dream. :D But you need to work the Bloc into it. Also, the NDP should be arguing with the Green Party and the Marijuana party over who has the most radical platform.

The Marxist-Leninist(Maoist) Party, of course.

He's already barred the press in several ways; he's going to feel the wrath of Canadians sooner or later, but, most likely sooner if the national press doesn't get full access that they used to.The press is just pissed that they don't have the virtually unfettered access they used to enjoy.They just can't stick their noses anywhere they want to now.Nothing wrong with that.Besides,how is Harper supposed to implement his SECRET AGENDA with all the press hanging about?:rolleyes: Just give the press a bone now and then and they'll be happy,just like a dog.

Isn't the new PM Conservative? You know that guy with his head so far up Dubya's ass he can see Dubya's spleen?Ah,I see you've already made your choice.So,basically what you would like is for Leaders of both countries to be like a magnet,one side always oppositeand repelling the other,that they can't have mutual ways of looking at things, like the fact that our countries have one of the most interdependent economies in the world and if we don't find ways to work together it certainly won't be to our mutual benefit. Give Conservatism a chance,you might like it,although i doubt it,once a left wing liberal,always a left wing liberal.

Ah,I see you've already made your choice.So,basically what you would like is for Leaders of both countries to be like a magnet,one side always oppositeand repelling the other,that they can't have mutual ways of looking at things, like the fact that our countries have one of the most interdependent economies in the world and if we don't find ways to work together it certainly won't be to our mutual benefit. Give Conservatism a chance,you might like it,although i doubt it,once a left wing liberal,always a left wing liberal.


Wow, hostile much?

So many candidates, but do most of them really have a shot at winning? I think what's going on is this: all of the ones who have no realistic shot of winning (everyone other than Igantieff, Rae and Dion) are going to campaign and get supporters/delegates, and at or near the convention, they'll start dropping like flies and, having made secret deals with someone with a realistic chance of winning, they'll throw their support (and delegates) behind the leader in the hope for a plum cabinet position in the new government (whenever they get elected).

The other expanation is that this is a reaction to the "coronation" convention when Martin won. They're trying to delude people into thinking it's an open race where anyone can win. Don't be fooled.

Isnt your Current PM from an English area and has something different to actually say for himself?

The press is just pissed that they don't have the virtually unfettered access they used to enjoy.They just can't stick their noses anywhere they want to now.Nothing wrong with that.Besides,how is Harper supposed to implement his SECRET AGENDA with all the press hanging about?:rolleyes: Just give the press a bone now and then and they'll be happy,just like a dog.
Wait... if it's a secret agenda... we aren't even supposed to know it exists!! :eek:

Isnt your Current PM from an English area and has something different to actually say for himself?
In other words, he's from a part of Canada that was having a wee crying snit fit before because they felt "left out" and now, they are debt-free and rolling in greasy money while being kicked out of the equalised payment scheme, thus screwing over Ontario!

In other words, he's from a part of Canada that was having a wee crying snit fit before because they felt "left out" and now, they are debt-free and rolling in greasy money while being kicked out of the equalised payment scheme, thus screwing over Ontario!
http://www.cbc.ca/mercerreport/video_player.html?equalization

:D

Wait... if it's a secret agenda... we aren't even supposed to know it exists!! :eek:

It's those damned reporters, I tell you. It's all their fault! (Especially Global) :eek:

Who would Ontario vote for if the Libs are out of the question?

Also, could we get a brief description of each candidate?

Wikipedia has a link on the leadership race here; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Party_of_Canada_leadership_convention%2C_2006

In all seriousness, I think the only candidates that have any chance of winning, are;

Stephan Dion - Former Chretien flunky. Until recently a Martin flunky. Probably a nice guy, knows his stuff, but has the charisma of a fence post. Obviously french, and a vocal opponent of Separatism. I still doubt he would take the federalist vote away from Quebec, since he's so tied in with the previous administrations that soured the Liberal vote in Quebec. That, and he's a complete Pointdexter.

Michael Ignatieff - Charismatic and academic. Most likely to win, I think, however probably not the best choice given his support of the Iraq War and use of torture in certain circumstances. He's been living in the states for the last 30 years, and most of his thinking is leaning that way.

Gerard Kennedy - Here is a guy who would sweep Ontario, and that's no joke. Prior to his run for leadership in the Ontario legislature (which he narrowly lost), he ran a very successful food drive campaign that put him in the public eye. Recently, he was lauded for his mediation in the debate between college teachers and the Provincial government. The man's clean as a whistle, energetic and charismatic. He would be the smart choice for a left-of-centre Liberal government (if that's the aim.)

Bob Rae - Don't even get me started on Bob Rae. He's never been a Liberal party member, and because he has the backing of Chretien loyalists, he figures he has a chance at the leadership. This guy will kill Ontario votes. It's that simple. The left hate him for not being socialist enough during his term as NDP Premier of Ontario, and the right hate him for tripling the Ontario debt. He can speak fluent french. (Harper doesn't speak it fluently, but he gets votes in Quebec where people thought it would be impossible. Don't think it matters.) Just... plain... stupid...

Ralph Goodale - A Martin flunky, his financial flunky to be precise. Known mostly for his refusing to step down from office when he was being investigated by the RCMP during the recent election. I don't think I have to say much more about this guy.

Those are the front-runners in my mind. The Dark Horse, I think, would be Martha Hall Findlay. She won't win, due to lack of backing, but she would be a fresh face for a 'renewed' party. She was the first to put her name in for the Leadership race, and is known for narrowly losing to Belinda Stronach in the 2004 election.


In Ontario, if the Liberals were 'out of the question', (which I doubt would be the case), I think you would find a Conservative landslide, with the exception of a large portion of Toronto, where most of the votes count. But the thing about Ontario is, most people want to vote for whoever is the least distasteful. There haven't been any really charismatic options, so its been a vote of whoever is least likely to rock the boat. The Liberals just became too distasteful to most Ontario voters. And Bob Rae killed the NDP vote for a long time to come.

So, the obvious choice for a leader of a 'new' Liberal party, is one who's fresh, charismatic, and 'clean'. Kennedy or Ignatieff.

The press is just pissed that they don't have the virtually unfettered access they used to enjoy.They just can't stick their noses anywhere they want to now.Nothing wrong with that.Besides,how is Harper supposed to implement his SECRET AGENDA with all the press hanging about?:rolleyes: Just give the press a bone now and then and they'll be happy,just like a dog.

Wow... I voted conservative too, but you can't seriously believe that restricting access to our elected officials is a good thing? I mean, that's the line of thinking of an authoritarian state.

I'm not too sure about the mob... but I think Ignatieff and Dryden are the front runners for the Liberal Party Leadership.

Who cares?

At this rate, the Tories are going to have a government for a long time...

*shudders at thought*

Isnt your Current PM from an English area and has something different to actually say for himself?

Yes, and he doesn't allow anyone else in his party to talk!