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Okay so here is what I need advice on. I have a certain condition that prevents me from functioning porperly in a school or work setting. My parents don't seem to agree with me on this because my therapist insists that I go back because I made the mistake to agree with her. How do I make a better arguement that states that I just can't handle being at school right now but I do plan on going back?:(

Explain the condition and I will try my best to help. But without knowing what the condition is, I cannot help you. Believe me, I won't laugh at you, no matter what it is.

talk to your counselor again, tell them that you are having second thoughts, see what they have to say. It's normal to be nervous about going back to school after you quit for a while ( I had to be homeschooled the last half of 8th grade due to problems I was having.)

If you really feel that it would be more harmful than helpful to go back, you and your couselor and your parents need to sit down and discuss options.

I have been going to school and it's not working! I have a hallucination that tells me to kill my self and is draining and distracting. I have no way of stopping it that I know of. My parents are worried I would be isolating myself but I have a solution to it and they are worried if they leave me alone I will cut myself up again but I have a solution for that too. Everytime I try to talk to them they get to upset and I don't get to make the points I need to make!

I have been going to school and it's not working! I have a hallucination that tells me to kill my self and is draining and distracting. I have no way of stopping it that I know of. My parents are worried I would be isolating myself but I have a solution to it and they are worried if they leave me alone I will cut myself up again but I have a solution for that too. Everytime I try to talk to them they get to upset and I don't get to make the points I need to make!
sometimes it's difficult to talk to your parents, maybe write down everything you are worried about, and take it to your therapist ask them to help you refine your points and then all together sit down and talk to your parents.

I have been going to school and it's not working! I have a hallucination that tells me to kill my self and is draining and distracting. I have no way of stopping it that I know of. My parents are worried I would be isolating myself but I have a solution to it and they are worried if they leave me alone I will cut myself up again but I have a solution for that too. Everytime I try to talk to them they get to upset and I don't get to make the points I need to make!

And these solutions, what do they entail?

For the one about me being alone; my dad has a back room in his office that he let's us go to and a spare computer I could use to do my online classes, and when he has a meeting I could go and volenteer where my mother works as much as possible but I cuold still take breaks when things become to much

For the isolation; I would get together with one of my friends every weekend (That's more than I do now. I see my friends once every few weeks)

The reason school doesn't work is because I end up in the counsiling office in tears or I go to the bathroom and cry every twenty minutes or so. I am getting absolutely nothing out of school with a schedule like this but I can't stand to be in class with the voice.

I have been going to school and it's not working! I have a hallucination that tells me to kill my self and is draining and distracting. I have no way of stopping it that I know of. My parents are worried I would be isolating myself but I have a solution to it and they are worried if they leave me alone I will cut myself up again but I have a solution for that too. Everytime I try to talk to them they get to upset and I don't get to make the points I need to make!
My idea: Talk to your local leader of your religion. If you do not have a religion, find the athiests/agnostics-style priest. A psychiatrist/psychologist. When your parents get upset at you for asking them to take you to one, don't back down. Just keep telling them. Eventually they'll tire and either do nothing or take you. Chances are they'll take you even if they deny you the first time if you do it more than once.

I have been going to school and it's not working! I have a hallucination that tells me to kill my self and is draining and distracting. I have no way of stopping it that I know of. My parents are worried I would be isolating myself but I have a solution to it and they are worried if they leave me alone I will cut myself up again but I have a solution for that too. Everytime I try to talk to them they get to upset and I don't get to make the points I need to make!

It's possible it's not a hallucination, in which case you can approach it like a being and interact with it instead of cowering in the corner and trying not to follow its directions.

Basically you need a strong will. That's really all it takes, but it's only a mental block keeping you from having it, or maybe you don't have enough inspiration to what you're capable of and therefore don't understand how much you're worth.

For the one about me being alone; my dad has a back room in his office that he let's us go to and a spare computer I could use to do my online classes

For the isolation; I would get together with one of my friends every weekend (That's more than I do now. I see my friends once every few weeks)

The reason school doesn't work is because I end up in the counsiling office in tears or I go to the bathroom and cry every twenty minutes or so. I am getting absolutely nothing out of school with a schedule like this but I can't stand to be in class with the voice.
So is it a voice or an image with a voice? If its just a voice, try to get special privelages or something like that to wear headphones so you can listen to music to drown it out. That probably won't work, but its worth a shot. If it's an image AND a voice, well, that's something that I haven't heard of, and will need to look up.

I know what I'm capable of, I've written a novel. Believe me when it sounds like it's coming from outside your head and you can't tell the difference between real people and it, it's a hallucination. I've tried really hard to be strong but I just can't seem to do it.

So is it a voice or an image with a voice? If its just a voice, try to get special privelages or something like that to wear headphones so you can listen to music to drown it out. That probably won't work, but its worth a shot. If it's an image AND a voice, well, that's something that I haven't heard of, and will need to look up.

It's only a voice. I could try for the music thing because it works at home but I doubt it will work for school but it's worth a shot.

It's possible it's not a hallucination, in which case you can approach it like a being and interact with it instead of cowering in the corner and trying not to follow its directions.

Basically you need a strong will. That's really all it takes, but it's only a mental block keeping you from having it, or maybe you don't have enough inspiration to what you're capable of and therefore don't understand how much you're worth.
:rolleyes:


ok,MacyMan... now that I know more, I have to ask if your therapist knows about the specifics behind your thoughts about suicide, you may want to point that out again, you might need to go to the hospital for a while, but seriously talk to your therapist about it. If you really want to do online classes and your parents are worried about you being alone all the time, maybe talk to them about getting a job volunteering, homeschool kids can do that during the day at local hospitals for example and you can do your classes in the evening, there is probably a homeschool co-op or something of the sort in your area where you can meet other kids who don't "go to school" and get out of the house and everything, but first you need to focus on getting everything in control in your life, and you need a doctor or therapist to help you with that.

I know what I'm capable of, I've written a novel. Believe me when it sounds like it's coming from outside your head and you can't tell the difference between real people and it, it's a hallucination. I've tried really hard to be strong but I just can't seem to do it.
What was the novel about? Knowing what you write about might help me decipher why this voice started, and help you get rid of it. Also, when DID this voice start? Oh, and when writing the novel, did you hear the voice? If not, try writing as therapy. Maybe if you continousally write it might go away.

I know what I'm capable of, I've written a novel. Believe me when it sounds like it's coming from outside your head and you can't tell the difference between real people and it, it's a hallucination. I've tried really hard to be strong but I just can't seem to do it.

Eh, maybe you don't understand what I mean... Writing a novel, yay. Really, good for you - it's not exactly a statement that will send your enemies fleeing, though. Not even having some kind of martial title (black belt, what) would be enough or even close to what I'm thinking.

It's somewhat of a self-dillusion, an expansion of your mind into what you could do, given the chance, and what you can do, given any circumstance. Physically, mentally, spiritually, your overall power. I mean that in the most forceful way possible - once you realize that, I'm sure regardless of if it's a hallucination or not, you could smile at whatever haunts you and send it away.

Even more effectively if it really is all in your head, because then you own it and can control it.


EDIT: Oh, and go ahead and laugh or call me stupid if you want, I'm expecting it. My statement stands.

:rolleyes:


ok,MacyMan... now that I know more, I have to ask if your therapist knows about the specifics behind your thoughts about suicide, you may want to point that out again, you might need to go to the hospital for a while, but seriously talk to your therapist about it. If you really want to do online classes and your parents are worried about you being alone all the time, maybe talk to them about getting a job volunteering, homeschool kids can do that during the day at local hospitals for example and you can do your classes in the evening, there is probably a homeschool co-op or something of the sort in your area where you can meet other kids who don't "go to school" and get out of the house and everything, but first you need to focus on getting everything in control in your life, and you need a doctor or therapist to help you with that.
Smunkee, in case you cannot read, it is not thoughts of suicide. It is a voice telling him to commit suicide. That seems to be the only reason why he wants to commit suicide. He is not depressed, he is simply having a voice in his head telling him to kill himself. There is a major difference between wanting to commit suicide and a voice consistently telling you commit suicide.

I have been to the hospital several times. You can also look up some of my other posts under the name Kaykami about this issue (at least dealing with the voices, not the school thing.)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=473158
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=473158

The second one better explains my condition. By the way, I have been diagnosed with Severe Depression with psychotic features, OCD, Paranioa, and Transient global amnesia.

Smunkee, in case you cannot read, it is not thoughts of suicide. It is a voice telling him to commit suicide. That seems to be the only reason why he wants to commit suicide. He is not depressed, he is simply having a voice in his head telling him to kill himself. There is a major difference between wanting to commit suicide and a voice consistently telling you commit suicide.
I can read, and I used to work with mental health patients and more recently I worked at a suicide hotline. If you are having hallucinations you are thinking about it, your mind doesn't pull that crap from nowhere, even if he doesn't have a plan, he is in danger, hallucinations aren't something you can "tune out", nor are they something that happens to "weak people", it is a medical condition and one that needs to be treated, and the best way to get a medical condition treated is to tell the 100% truth to the medical professional that is trying to help you.

By the way, I only said yes to going back to school because I planned on suicide and I thought "Well... I'll only have to deal with it for a short amount of time."

It sounds like the onset of schizophrenia. That requires professional medical assessment, rather than counselling or :rolleyes: religious intervention.

I would suggest meditation its worth a shot it would particularly help in finding out why you feel this way and reduce any stress that maybe causing the “voice”

Next time you encounter the “voice” don’t try to push it away simply observe it take a thought about what the sound and/or image is then observe how it makes you feel the chances are your trying to tell yourself something otherwise this thing would find itself blocked out by the mind as painful things tend find themselves.

I would suggest observing the school environment as it seems to be were this comes from do you feel at all nervous in your surroundings? Do this condition you have make you feel isolated?

I have been to the hospital several times. You can also look up some of my other posts under the name Kaykami about this issue (at least dealing with the voices, not the school thing.)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=473158
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=473158

The second one better explains my condition. By the way, I have been diagnosed with Severe Depression with psychotic features, OCD, Paranioa, and Transient global amnesia.
Sometimes people with severe mental illness need to go into the hospital a lot, if your brain chemicals get screwed up, sometimes that is the safest place for you until the doctors can come up with a treatment plan that works.

Having mental ilness isn't like having a bad knee, where you can go in once and get it fixed and never worry about it again. It's an ongoing problem, chronic mental illness is something you will have to deal with your entire life, and if it means going into the hospital to keep you well from time to time, you need to do that.

:rolleyes: religious intervention.

You made me laugh! I'm not sure about the schizophrenia part but I know that just once a week counseling isn't doing any good.

I would suggest meditation its worth a shot it would particularly help in finding out why you feel this way and reduce any stress that maybe causing the “voice”

Next time you encounter the “voice” don’t try to push it away simply observe it take a thought about what the sound and/or image is then observe how it makes you feel the chances are your trying to tell yourself something otherwise this thing would find itself blocked out by the mind as painful things tend find themselves.

I would suggest observing the school environment as it seems to be were this comes from do you feel at all nervous in your surroundings? Do this condition you have make you feel isolated?

No, I feel to crowded. I can't be around more than three people without the voice bearing it's ugly head.

I have been to the hospital several times. You can also look up some of my other posts under the name Kaykami about this issue (at least dealing with the voices, not the school thing.)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=473158
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=473158

The second one better explains my condition. By the way, I have been diagnosed with Severe Depression with psychotic features, OCD, Paranioa, and Transient global amnesia.
Oh. Oh my. Well that changes everything. You should've told me you have hypochondria... Well, I will have to agree with Smunkee's post now.

I can read, and I used to work with mental health patients and more recently I worked at a suicide hotline. If you are having hallucinations you are thinking about it, your mind doesn't pull that crap from nowhere, even if he doesn't have a plan, he is in danger, hallucinations aren't something you can "tune out", nor are they something that happens to "weak people", it is a medical condition and one that needs to be treated, and the best way to get a medical condition treated is to tell the 100% truth to the medical professional that is trying to help you.
It seems that your mind is making these hallucinations as an embodiment of your feelings about killing yourself. I recommend you get your parents to get you on medication, if your not already on any. If you are on some, try something theraputic, like novel writing, as I have already suggested. Is it only clinical depression, or are there other things in your life which are causing sadness, such as pressure, deaths in the family, etc? Getting rid of those might help.

It's clinical, nothing about the family. Depression runs in my mother's side of the family. She's attempted suicide twice.

No, I feel to crowded. I can't be around more than three people without the voice bearing it's ugly head.
Hmm. So it never comes to you alone, or it is just inevitable that it will come on when you are in a social setting?

Before bed it will attack me and I'm alone but that's when I hurt myself. Whenever I'm in class or at home hanging around my family, or =even when I go to the grocery store it's there.

It's clinical, nothing about the family. Depression runs in my mother's side of the family. She's attempted suicide twice.
Ok then. It might be that your clinical depression is on setting this voice, as the voice is talking about killing yourself, which is part of your clinical depression. Have you had voices besides the one that tells you to kill yourself, and does the voice say anything else?

Before bed it will attack me and I'm alone but that's when I hurt myself. Whenever I'm in class or at home hanging around my family, or =even when I go to the grocery store it's there.
Do you notice it coming on at any specific time, like it always comes at six o'clock in the afternoon?

I do have a good voice that talks to me, his name's Leon.

It has only one scheduled time but other than that no. That time is around eight o'clock. Right now it's with me. I have been hanging around my family in a group because it's a holiday and I cna no longer be around them so I'm here.

I do have a good voice that talks to me, his name's Leon.
Does Leon ever come at the same time as the voice that tells you to kill yourself? Does Leon ever talk about the other voice? If he does, what does he say about the other voice? What does Leon say when not talking about the other voice? Oh, and sorry if I'm sounding a bit like an overbearing shrink. I'm just trying to help you.

It has only one scheduled time but other than that no. That time is around eight o'clock. Right now it's with me. I have been hanging around my family in a group because it's a holiday and I cna no longer be around them so I'm here.
Hmm. The 8 o'clock thing is probably just because that's about the time you begin to feel tired, so your mental defenses are a little weak, and the voice is then onset.

No, I feel to crowded. I can't be around more than three people without the voice bearing it's ugly head.

I think this is the first step done you have isolated what the problem seems to be now the second step is why?

I would say it has something to do with a fear of crowds an old school buddy used to have this and it may be caused by lack of large group experience in childhood or recent isolation In any case I would suggest working slowly form a group of 4 with people you know and trust then gradually work your way up if you start to feel at all nervous end the current meeting and try again later gradually will improve all it takes is time

Leon tralks about why I should live and he gives me support. He's pretty much like a person. We talk about everything. Sadly, the bad voice (Reagan) is stornger than Leon and won't let him through when he's busy talking to me.

ABout the group thing, in childhood I was one of the popular people so it can't be that. Recent isolation, very possible. I just can't pick people apart when I'm in a group. It's like I get overloaded and then all I can hear is the bad voice.

Leon tralks about why I should live and he gives me support. He's pretty much like a person. We talk about everything. Sadly, the bad voice (Reagan) is stornger than Leon and won't let him through when he's busy talking to me.
This could be a variant of multiple personality disorder, where instead of the personalities actually taking over the body, they simply talk to you. Normal skitzophrenia has no set voices talking to the person, nor do the voices ever conflict or have drastically different personalities, like Leon and Reagan. What does Reagan say about Leon? What does Leon say about Reagan? Their conflicts might help me understand your problem. Oh, and don't think of yourself as "crazy". Never let anyone call you that. Crazy is just a word ignorant bastards use to explain people they don't understand.

Okay so here is what I need advice on. I have a certain condition that prevents me from functioning porperly in a school or work setting.

Well, here's the problem.

You don't have such a problem. You're simply choosing to be lazy.

Grow up and get over yourself. You're not going to get anywhere by pretending that your actions are anything but your own fault.

Fucking asshole...

I USED to think I was crazy but not anymore. Leon says he will keep Reagan away as much as he can. He also says that he is sorry he failed when Reagan gets the chance to talk to me. Reagan just tells me how to kill myself and that is all.

Well, here's the problem.

You don't have such a problem. You're simply choosing to be lazy.

Grow up and get over yourself. You're not going to get anywhere by pretending that your actions are anything but your own fault.

Fucking asshole...

Thank you, I really took that to heart.:rolleyes:

Personally I think using meds on a mental condition is like playing a game and instead of playing it through you just hack into it and beat the game - it ends the game, but might have adverse effects to your computer if the files conflict, and you never learn as much about the game as you would've. There's usually lasting problems, regardless, if you take the risk and hack it instead of playing it to the end.

This in mind, people can die in games. Some, without meds, would just lose to the game and lose the will to keep playing. It's different for every person, but I know that personally, having dealt with my own mental disorders without the help of meds I can say I'm glad I did it that way.

So yeah, it's up to you. You take the risk when you use meds, but not using them and losing the game is almost always worse. I say it's better to try your best without them for as long as possible - once you get on the course of using meds, you might have to stay on them for the rest of your life, changing them, having more than one at a time, dealing with the side-effects, always knowing that the only reason you're not at your default state is because of a pill and not your own strength of will and ability to help yourself.

Well, here's the problem.

You don't have such a problem. You're simply choosing to be lazy.

Grow up and get over yourself. You're not going to get anywhere by pretending that your actions are anything but your own fault.

Fucking asshole...
Read the rest of the thread asshole. This kid has a psychological condition. He's tried counseling. He's tried talking to people. IT DOESN'T WORK! So it's his fault that a voice is telling him to kill himself? Yep, that's the excuse your going to use so that you may beat up on this little kid. It's not this kid who's the fucking asshole, good sir. The fucking asshole is you for being an ignorant bastard.

Thank you, I really took that to heart.:rolleyes:
Don't listen to him. Read my post responding to it. :D

I have been dealing with it without meds for years but then I started cutting and decided to try meds. So far, neither is working very well...

Don't listen to him. Read my post responding to it. :D

You made me laugh too!

I USED to think I was crazy but not anymore. Leon says he will keep Reagan away as much as he can. He also says that he is sorry he failed when Reagan gets the chance to talk to me. Reagan just tells me how to kill myself and that is all.
So he tells you how to kill yourself? Doesn't he tell you TO kill yourself? Does he say things like "It could be so easy", or "It will be so peaceful once you do it"?

Leon tralks about why I should live and he gives me support. He's pretty much like a person. We talk about everything. Sadly, the bad voice (Reagan) is stornger than Leon and won't let him through when he's busy talking to me.

you should of said you had two this changes everything as the mind prefers not have more than one voice (which is why Reagan doesn’t like Leon talking at the same time)

It appears that Reagan is afraid of crowds he seems to be so scared he makes you run to the toilets or counselling (where there are 3 or less people I presume) this also explains why he chooses before bed to attack because he knows you are alone to which I suggest you ask some friends to sleep over this will scare Reagan to his very core and he may disappear if not indefinably at least until you have had time to talk to Leon.

Leon appears to be your minds attempt at helping you it appears you identify him with good so I suggest listening to everything he has to say remember he will know what to do your body knows itself far better than anyone even yourself just be weary of him lingering after Reagan is gone

So he tells you how to kill yourself? Doesn't he tell you TO kill yourself? Does he say things like "It could be so easy", or "It will be so peaceful once you do it"?

He calls me worthless and some names i'm not willing to repeat. And then he says just to do it a certain way and yeah... he does tell me it would be easy and quiet. He also says it will be painless unlike life.

Well, here's the problem.

You don't have such a problem. You're simply choosing to be lazy.

Grow up and get over yourself. You're not going to get anywhere by pretending that your actions are anything but your own fault.

Fucking asshole...
Try reading the whole thread before being an asshole. He's not lazy, he has a real mental illness. What illness, we don't know, only a trained professional would know, but you have NO right to hijack this thread and accuse someone with an illness of this kind of severity of being "lazy". Jackass.

On to the topic, as has been said before, you should probably talk to a psychiatrist (There's a difference between psychiatry and psychology. Psychiatrist can prescribe medications, psychologists are just there to talk to. You probably need a psychiatrist.), preferably one you haven't spoken to before, and get another opinion. If you're hearing distinct voices, of which one is telling you to kill yourself and do horrible things, you need to seek out help. Do anything you can to convince your parents that you need to do this. You're not crazy, but something is wrong, and it needs to be fixed before you start listening to it, because hearing something enough times will make it sink in and you will listen to it eventually.

He calls me worthless and some names i'm not willing to repeat. And then he says just to do it a certain way and yeah... he does tell me it would be easy and quiet. He also says it will be painless unlike life.
Hmm. So Reagan tells you things I tell to myself. Interesting. Can you actually talk with them, or do they just have one-sided conversations with you?

Tone down your comments guys.

Hmm. So Reagan tells you things I tell to myself. Interesting. Can you actually talk with them, or do they just have one-sided conversations with you?

I can talk to them. In fact you could ask them a question from here and I could give you the answer from them of they want to answer (Leon will, Reagan probably won't). My best friend loves to do that.

You need to realize that both Leon and Reagan are under your power. They can't do anything your mind doesn't tell them to do. Once you learn how to fire Reagan, you're fine. If you really put your mind to it, I'm sure you could fix the situation by having a mental battle between the two, maybe giving Leon a handicap or something so that Reagan dies.

Tone down your comments guys.
Hey man, we were just kicking out someone who would possibly start a flame war. We're just trying to help this kid, then BAM! A match comes in. Won't flame any more, masterful moderator.

I can talk to them. In fact you could ask them a question from here and I could give you the answer from them of they want to answer (Leon will, Reagan probably won't). My best friend loves to do that.
Ask Leon what he thinks he is.

Read the rest of the thread asshole. This kid has a psychological condition.
Oh, bullshit.
He's tried counseling.
All "counseling" does is tell you what you want to hear. It never actually solves the problem.

IT DOESN'T WORK!
Well, of course it didn't work! He went about it the wrong way! Instead of accepting that his problems are his own fault, he paid someone to tell him they weren't!

When you ignore the fundamental nature of a problem, of course you're not going to solve it!

Okay here comes another bit of information that does make me sound crazy. Reagan isn't real... we all know that so how could Leon, who I do believe is real, have a battle with an imaginary voice?


(Please don't call me crazy, please)

You need to realize that both Leon and Reagan are under your power. They can't do anything your mind doesn't tell them to do. Once you learn how to fire Reagan, you're fine. If you really put your mind to it, I'm sure you could fix the situation by having a mental battle between the two, maybe giving Leon a handicap or something so that Reagan dies.
He is most probably capable of controlling them. The problem is, he probably doesn't know how. Hell, if we knew how to control every part of our brains, psychics would be rampant! It is possible to learn to control certain parts of our brains. It takes a hell of a long time though. It requires intense meditation, sometimes hours at a time. How do you think I can lift pencils using my electromagnetivity now? Three years of eight hour sessions every weekend-day.

He calls me worthless and some names i'm not willing to repeat. And then he says just to do it a certain way and yeah... he does tell me it would be easy and quiet. He also says it will be painless unlike life.

can you give us a general idea of the names he calls you (don't worry about the mods I think they will overlook any foul language) also how does he want you to commit suicide?

I would suggest you ask him if he thinks he will live without you if he says "no" he is a manifestation of a suicide want if he says "yes" I will go into that in more detail

Leon says "Reagan isn't real and Reagan is just lying. You're a good person and Reagan just wants you gone because of it."

Oh, bullshit.

All "counseling" does is tell you what you want to hear. It never actually solves the problem.


Well, of course it didn't work! He went about it the wrong way! Instead of accepting that his problems are his own fault, he paid someone to tell him they weren't!

When you ignore the fundamental nature of a problem, of course you're not going to solve it!
1. What? So your denying he has a psychological condition?

2. You don't think I know that? If you've read The Sword Of Truth series by Terry Goodkind, you would know the Wizard's First Rule. It applies to this world as does it to the books world. People will believe anything if they want to believe its true of if they are afraid its true. Psychologists use this to convince people that the voices are gone. The condition still lingers there, but the patients truly believe it is gone, and that is all that matters.

3. He paid someone to tell him the truth, that he is not hearing these voices because of something he did, but because it is medical. Your still saying it's his fault that he has a medical condition. I see no logic behind that

4. So what do you believe to be the fundamental nature of the problem we have here?

Leon says "Reagan isn't real and Reagan is just lying. You're a good person and Reagan just wants you gone because of it."
Leon is avoiding the question then. I want to know if he thinks he himself is real.

Leon says "Reagan isn't real and Reagan is just lying. You're a good person and Reagan just wants you gone because of it."

can we talk directly to Leon? (as in can he read this)

Oh, bullshit.

All "counseling" does is tell you what you want to hear. It never actually solves the problem.


Well, of course it didn't work! He went about it the wrong way! Instead of accepting that his problems are his own fault, he paid someone to tell him they weren't!

When you ignore the fundamental nature of a problem, of course you're not going to solve it!
Just because YOU believe that people make it up as they go along does NOT make you right. Please leave this thread, because you're certainly not helping. If you do want to stay, you could at LEAST be constructive, not just telling him he's wrong/lazy/stupid/crazy/etc., because that helps even less than therapy. How would you feel if you heard voices that weren't there to anyone else, and someone told you you were just lazy or stupid? No, don't answer that, on second thought. You're not him or in his situation, so what you'd do doesn't matter. All that matters is that he seek the right kind of help.

He calls me worthless pig headed filthy fat ass bastard. (That's his least offensive one in my opinion.

Here's what Reagan says "Of course I will. You think the loss of you would affect my life. Ha!" I left out the names he called me.

Read the rest of the thread asshole. This kid has a psychological condition.
Oh, bullshit.

He's tried counseling.
All "counseling" does is tell you what you want to hear. It never actually solves the problem.

IT DOESN'T WORK!
Well, of course it didn't work! He went about it the wrong way! Instead of accepting that his problems are his own fault, he paid someone to tell him they weren't!

When you ignore the fundamental nature of a problem, of course you're not going to solve it!

Here you are, sweety, I bolded the important parts so you can see them better:
I have been to the hospital several times. You can also look up some of my other posts under the name Kaykami about this issue (at least dealing with the voices, not the school thing.)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=473158
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=473158

The second one better explains my condition. By the way, I have been diagnosed with Severe Depression with psychotic features, OCD, Paranioa, and Transient global amnesia.

He calls me worthless pig headed filthy fat ass bastard. (That's his least offensive one in my opinion.

Here's what Reagan says "Of course I will. You think the loss of you would affect my life. Ha!" I left out the names he called me.
Of course he will... what? And believe me, Reagan is just saying you dieing won't affect him to make himself seem more confident than he actually is. Since Reagan IS part of you, you dieing would kill him. But he's probably something of a suicide warrior. He will gladly die to simply see you dead as well.

Leon is avoiding the question then. I want to know if he thinks he himself is real.

I think we should ask Leon about reality once Reagan is gone he may be threatened by the question and is avoiding it

Of course he will... what? And believe me, Reagan is just saying you dieing won't affect him to make himself seem more confident than he actually is. Since Reagan IS part of you, you dieing would kill him. But he's probably something of a suicide warrior. He will gladly die to simply see you dead as well.

Of course if I'm gone he will live. Yes, Leon can read this and he'll answer. Leon says he's real. He has been telling me for years and I've even seen him before. (My parents said it was a hallucionation.)

I think we should ask Leon about reality once Reagan is gone he may be threatened by the question and is avoiding it
That's what I am asking Leon. I want to know if he thinks he himself is real.

1. What? So your denying he has a psychological condition?

Precisely. "Psychological condition" is just a made-up excuse for people to avoid accepting responsibility.

3. He paid someone to tell him the truth, that he is not hearing these voices because of something he did, but because it is medical.
He's not being told the truth--he's being told what he wants to hear; unfortunately, what he wants to hear is not what is true.

Your still saying it's his fault that he has a medical condition.
No, I'm saying he has no such condition.

4. So what do you believe to be the fundamental nature of the problem we have here?
He's lazy and refuses to grow up because he might actually have to accept responsibility for himself.

Please leave this thread, because you're certainly not helping.
I'm giving him the best advice he's ever received, quite obviously--if he had received this advice before then he wouldn't be in the disgraceful, prideless, shameful state he's in now.
All that matters is that he seek the right kind of help.
And I'm giving it to him.

Of course if I'm gone he will live. Yes, Leon can read this and he'll answer. Leon says he's real. He has been telling me for years and I've even seen him before. (My parents said it was a hallucionation.)
So you know a real person named Leon? Or when you saw Leon was it actually a visual message from him in your mind, or to put it harshly, a hallucination? And my boy, it seems to me that Leon is part of your mind just as Reagan is. So if you die, both Reagan and Leon will die too, and there's nothing to stop that.

Here you are, sweety, I bolded the important parts so you can see them better:

The notion of a "psychological condition" is utter bullshit, and is just a cheap excuse for one to get out of accepting responsibility for his own behavior.

Tangled Up In Blue, you leaving yet?

Precisely. "Psychological condition" is just a made-up excuse for people to avoid accepting responsibility.


He's not being told the truth--he's being told what he wants to hear; unfortunately, what he wants to hear is not what is true.


No, I'm saying he has no such condition.


He's lazy and refuses to grow up because he might actually have to accept responsibility for himself.
Out of this thread. Now. You're not helping at all. People don't just make this up. They don't pretend it just to get out of taking responsibility. He has a problem, he needs help from a psychiatrist or psychologist or someone that is a trained professional. Unless you have a doctorate in psychiatry, get the **** out of here.

Perhaps you have schizoaffective disorder. The symptoms you post seem consistant with it.

http://www.npi.ucla.edu/ssg/schizoaffective.htm

Instead of talking to us on a political board, you would probably be better off talking to people on mental health boards who have been through what you are going through now. They might actually be able to help you. All we can do is offer stabs it the dark as to what might help and might actually cause some harm.

Here are some boards you can start with.

http://www.schizoaffective.org/
http://www.psychnet-uk.com/chat_rooms/mental_health_chatrooms.htm
http://brain.hastypastry.net/forums/
http://www.support4hope.com/schizophrenia/schizophrenia_symptoms1.htm
http://mentalhealth.about.com/mpchat.htm

Precisely. "Psychological condition" is just a made-up excuse for people to avoid accepting responsibility.


He's not being told the truth--he's being told what he wants to hear; unfortunately, what he wants to hear is not what is true.


No, I'm saying he has no such condition.


He's lazy and refuses to grow up because he might actually have to accept responsibility for himself.
Maybe he is making it up. I haven't actually seen him and his symptoms in real life. All I know is what I'm reading on this message board. Until I am given evidence that this boy is lying, I am going to think that he has a real medical condition, and that he needs my help. You believe what you want, but if you aren't going to help, leave. You are only interfering with my help. You are only harming this boy by staying here. Leave. Now.

He calls me worthless pig headed filthy fat ass bastard. (That's his least offensive one in my opinion.

Here's what Reagan says "Of course I will. You think the loss of you would affect my life. Ha!" I left out the names he called me.

it appears Reagan is making you fear him and feel inferior in order to get strength he is nothing but a bully remember that.

Have you ever confronted Reagan before? I suggest you really yell at him let it all out show no mercy and don’t give up you can force him out this way like a landlord kicks out a filthy bum

The notion of a "psychological condition" is utter bullshit, and is just a cheap excuse for one to get out of accepting responsibility for his own behavior.
Let me ask you. Why do you believe this kid doesn't have a psychological condition?

So you know a real person named Leon? Or when you saw Leon was it actually a visual message from him in your mind, or to put it harshly, a hallucination? And my boy, it seems to me that Leon is part of your mind just as Reagan is. So if you die, both Reagan and Leon will die too, and there's nothing to stop that.

Okay, here is my best answer I cna give you (very hard to explain). I "Zone out" and end up in his world if that makes any sense. I have also had him visit me at my house. I don't know a person outside of that that is named Leon. The Leon I know llives in another... reality, I guess is the best way to put it. That's really hard to explain and doesn't give you an idea of what it;s like but going there is just llike being in this world. Gosh, I hope that made sense.

Perhaps you have schizoaffective disorder. The symptoms you post seem consistant with it.

http://www.npi.ucla.edu/ssg/schizoaffective.htm

Instead of talking to us on a political board, you would probably be better off talking to people on mental health boards who have been through what you are going through now. They might actually be able to help you. All we can do is offer stabs it the dark as to what might help and might actually cause some harm.

Here are some boards you can start with.

http://www.schizoaffective.org/
http://www.psychnet-uk.com/chat_rooms/mental_health_chatrooms.htm
http://brain.hastypastry.net/forums/
http://www.support4hope.com/schizophrenia/schizophrenia_symptoms1.htm
http://mentalhealth.about.com/mpchat.htm
Well, considering the fact that the kid knows people here, I'd say its a good idea. It's best to start talking to people you know first, people who are your friends, and in this case, something of a family. (You all know we generalites are one big family.) After he's expended us, he then should go to the medical boards.

Because such a thing doesn't exist.

Just like if he said he had a unicorn.

I'm helping him ten times more than the rest of you put together are, and yet you dare to tell me to leave? I'm actually showing him the true nature of his problem, and once he accepts that, I can help him out of it. You're just mollycoddling him, which only makes it worse.

That's what I am asking Leon. I want to know if he thinks he himself is real.

think of an imaginary friend they usually disappear once a child admits that he isn't real and if Leon is the minds manifestation of the cure we can't risk pushing him out at this stage

Because such a thing doesn't exist.

Just like if he said he had a unicorn.

I'm helping him ten times more than the rest of you put together are, and yet you dare to tell me to leave? I'm actually showing him the true nature of his problem, and once he accepts that, I can help him out of it. You're just mollycoddling him, which only makes it worse.
Seriously, you AREN'T helping at ALL. Mental illness is REAL. It's not just a game of pretend or something made up for attention or to get out of doing something. Get out of this thread before you cause any real harm, please. It's people like you that make people with mental illness get worse. It's REAL, it HAPPENS. Shut the [expletive] up and go away. :upyours:

Okay, here is my best answer I cna give you (very hard to explain). I "Zone out" and end up in his world if that makes any sense. I have also had him visit me at my house. I don't know a person outside of that that is named Leon. The Leon I know llives in another... reality, I guess is the best way to put it. That's really hard to explain and doesn't give you an idea of what it;s like but going there is just llike being in this world. Gosh, I hope that made sense.
So in this world it's like your own world, but its just you, Leon, and Reagan, right? And this is where Leon visits you at your house? Or does Leon visit you in this reality at your house? (Sorry, I'm sounding a bit like an overbearing shrink again). I suppose in a sense this reality IS your mind itself. It's not inside your mind, but IS your mind. Of course, this is just a theory. But that's what its sounding like. I mean, psych really is largely theoratical, concerning the fact that we only know about, what? Ten percent of our mind?

In part I have to agree with TUIB, but not the harsher parts. Some of it seems to be a bit... 'Put on'. A bit seems to be a little weird even for a psych problem, like the 'other reality' bit. Sounds a bit like 'I want to be special' syndrome.

Because such a thing doesn't exist.

Just like if he said he had a unicorn.

I'm helping him ten times more than the rest of you put together are, and yet you dare to tell me to leave? I'm actually showing him the true nature of his problem, and once he accepts that, I can help him out of it. You're just mollycoddling him, which only makes it worse.
So your saying psychological conditions don't exist? You need to visit a mental institution, my good sir. If that isn't evidence of psychological conditions, I don't know what is. Maybe it is the true nature of his problem. Maybe he is lazy. But until I get evidence that he is, I'm saying he has a psychological condition which needs help. And I truly hope you go away. Please sir, go away, or I will be forced to call the mods.

Because such a thing doesn't exist.

Just like if he said he had a unicorn.

I'm helping him ten times more than the rest of you put together are, and yet you dare to tell me to leave? I'm actually showing him the true nature of his problem, and once he accepts that, I can help him out of it. You're just mollycoddling him, which only makes it worse.

Just because it is your subjective opinion (See, how do you like it?) that such disorders do not exist, does not make it the truth. If you can do nothing but insult and troll, then why post?

can you ask Leon how old he is?

So in this world it's like your own world, but its just you, Leon, and Reagan, right? And this is where Leon visits you at your house? Or does Leon visit you in this reality at your house? (Sorry, I'm sounding a bit like an overbearing shrink again). I suppose in a sense this reality IS your mind itself. It's not inside your mind, but IS your mind. Of course, this is just a theory. But that's what its sounding like. I mean, psych really is largely theoratical, concerning the fact that we only know about, what? Ten percent of our mind?

The world LEon is has other people in it. Reagan isn't there ever. In the reality where Leon lives it's... not quite like this but basically the same. Leon visits me in this reality and we meet up in the other one. So, this is making some sense then?

In part I have to agree with TUIB, but not the harsher parts. Some of it seems to be a bit... 'Put on'. A bit seems to be a little weird even for a psych problem, like the 'other reality' bit. Sounds a bit like 'I want to be special' syndrome.
Hey man, how much do YOU know about the mind? Frankly, we really don't know much about the mind. Maybe this kid has found a new level of concentration, and can actually explore the inner workings of his mind? Who knows?

I mean, psych really is largely theoratical, concerning the fact that we only know about, what? Ten percent of our mind?
That's based on the assumption that we only use 10% of our minds, I think you have them confused. We actually use all of our minds, but since every mental illness and every manifestation of every illness is different in each person, we probably don't know 1/4 of all the mental illnesses out there. We can, however, treat them with various therapies, by talking and taking different medications.

can you ask Leon how old he is?

His physical self is about fourteen but considering the fact that he is a vampire (which is what I mean by the reality is a little diffeerent) his age is 312 and four months.

Oh, come on!

The world LEon is has other people in it. Reagan isn't there ever. In the reality where Leon lives it's... not quite like this but basically the same. Leon visits me in this reality and we meet up in the other one. So, this is making some sense then?
So who are some of the other people in the alternate reality? Are there people you know from this world in there? Do you interact with other people besides Leon in the alternate world? Does Leon ever visually show himself to you with other people around? Has Reagan ever shown himself to you? (God damn I'm sounding like an overbearing shrink. Please bear with me)

Do you ever day dream? It's like that I guess. Does that make it easier to understand?

Seriously, you AREN'T helping at ALL. Mental illness is REAL.
Except, it's not. If you honestly think it is, then you are incredibly wrong.

It's not just a game of pretend or something made up for attention or to get out of doing something. Get out of this thread before you cause any real harm, please.
I'm sorry, but I'm not going to stop helping this kid just because you buy into the incorrect notion that individuals do not bear full responsibility for their actions at all times.

Oh, come on!

Whilst I do believe in mental disorders, even I find this a tad hard to stomach. Vampies? Mental houses? There are surely easier ways to deal with this issue than making such analogies?

So who are some of the other people in the alternate reality? Are there people you know from this world in there? Do you interact with other people besides Leon in the alternate world? Does Leon ever visually show himself to you with other people around? Has Reagan ever shown himself to you? (God damn I'm sounding like an overbearing shrink. Please bear with me)

I know a girl named Becky there. Other than that I've only seen them. There are no people from this reality I know there. I do sometimes interact with the other ones. Leon only shows himself to me when I'm alone and sad, when I need someone to be there for me. Reagan has never shown himself to me.

Oh, come on!
Remeber this "alternate reality" is in his mind. So I wouldn't be suprised if there were flying pink elephants packin' uzi's in this alternate reality. And kid, you are going to have to admit, this alternate reality probably is made up by your mind to make Leon more realistic. But Leon techincally is a real person. He's another personality, but he doesn't control your body. He's just here with you. Kind of like a guardian angel. (Oh my god did I just use such a Republican metaphor?)

Sounds to me to be very fishy. On the surface, this just seems to be someone who's fucking scared of the voices. Delve deeper, and it just looks to be somebody who is bizzarely using a collection of mental illnesses to somehow lend credence to these fantasies.

Except, it's not. If you honestly think it is, then you are incredibly wrong.

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to stop helping this kid just because you buy into the incorrect notion that individuals do not bear full responsibility for their actions at all times.
This is MY first warning to you: mental illness is very real, very serious, and very stressful. Back off!

Just because it is your subjective opinion (See, how do you like it?) that such disorders do not exist, does not make it the truth.
Of course not.

Its truth is prior to my saying it is true.

It's not "I say it's true; therefore, it's true" but rather "It's true; therefore, I say it's true."
If you can do nothing but insult and troll, then why post?
I'm helping him get over this. You're helping him stay in the disgraceful state he's currently in. Yet you dare to tell me to leave? The nerve!

So your saying psychological conditions don't exist?
Precisely.
You need to visit a mental institution, my good sir. If that isn't evidence of psychological conditions, I don't know what is.
It isn't. It's just people like the kid in this thread who have not been made to confront the truth and instead have been allowed to go on pretending their respective actions are not their fault.

Except, it's not. If you honestly think it is, then you are incredibly wrong.


I'm sorry, but I'm not going to stop helping this kid just because you buy into the incorrect notion that individuals do not bear full responsibility for their actions at all times.
They DON'T. That's the point. Everything from depression to schizophrenia is just people making it up? I think not! I've dealt with chronic depression for at least the last 5 years, and before that I dealt with depression since fourth grade. Your attitude disgusts me. It's real, and you have to do some serious looking around at all the evidence and try to consider that you're probably wrong about this one, hon.

@ Kaykami: You should really listen to what Smunkeeville said earlier in the thread. She really knows what she is talking about, and it's by far the best advice you will get. Good luck to you.

Except, it's not. If you honestly think it is, then you are incredibly wrong.
I know quite a few doctors, psychologists and psychiatrists who have plenty of scientific and medical evidence that can easily prove you wrong. So your saying that skitzophrenia is a lie. Your saying borderline personality disorder is a lie. Your saying clinical depression IS A LIE. Ignorant bastard. HEY MODS! Can't you like, stop him from posting in a certain thread, or something like that?

His physical self is about fourteen but considering the fact that he is a vampire his age is 312 and four months.

tell LEon "Hello this is Robbie its nice to meet you please stay with your friend awhile as we here on NS would like to talk about Reagan please can you tell us everything you know about him as we want to help you stop Reagan from doing anymore harm"

(Everyone say hello to Leon and introduce yourselves)

Remeber this "alternate reality" is in his mind. So I wouldn't be suprised if there were flying pink elephants packin' uzi's in this alternate reality. And kid, you are going to have to admit, this alternate reality probably is made up by your mind to make Leon more realistic. But Leon techincally is a real person. He's another personality, but he doesn't control your body. He's just here with you. Kind of like a guardian angel. (Oh my god did I just use such a Republican metaphor?)

I can agree with that considering the fact that my physical body doesn't go there with me.

Just because you don't like what he says, doesn't mean you can get him reoved. okay, so the 'mental disorders are not real' bit is... Insane (ironically enough).

They DON'T. That's the point.
Except, they do.
Everything from depression to schizophrenia is just people making it up?
Precisely. It's an excuse to avoid responsibility for oneself, period. It's not real.
I think not! I've dealt with chronic depression for at least the last 5 years, and before that I dealt with depression since fourth grade.
Then you, too, are guilty of making such excuses.

Grow up, and get over yourself.

tell LEon "Hello this is Robbie its nice to meet you please stay with your friend awhile as we here on NS would like to talk about Reagan please can you tell us everything you know about him as we want to help you stop Reagan from doing anymore harm"

(Everyone say hello to Leon and introduce yourselves)

Leon's laughed and says hello. He says he doesn't plan on going anywhere.

I can agree with that considering the fact that my physical body doesn't go there with me.
Oh. So what are you when your there? Are you like energy in the shape of your body? Or what?

Oh, and hi Leon. Yes, please tell us everything you can about Reagan so we might be able to stop him and help Kaykami/MacyMan!

Whilst I do believe in mental disorders, even I find this a tad hard to stomach. Vampies? Mental houses? There are surely easier ways to deal with this issue than making such analogies?

its natural that LEon is something different there is absolutely no chance that LEon would be normal or even believable to us

I know quite a few doctors, psychologists and psychiatrists who have plenty of scientific and medical evidence that can easily prove you wrong.
Except, they can't, because they don't.

Either they're lying to you or they're mistaken themselves.

It's all a gigantic fraud propagated by collectivists so they can take power. Sadly, most people are falling for this despicable scam.

This is the one thing the Scientologists have right. I hate to be on their side, but, unfortunately, it's either that or be dishonest and evil.

Okay here comes another bit of information that does make me sound crazy. Reagan isn't real... we all know that so how could Leon, who I do believe is real, have a battle with an imaginary voice?


(Please don't call me crazy, please)

*shrugs* You got me there. Though if Leon was real then I think he'd have more substance than Reagan, which would by default make him more powerful.

Except, they do.

Precisely. It's an excuse to avoid responsibility for oneself, period. It's not real.

Then you, too, are guilty of making such excuses.

Grow up, and get over yourself.
Ohh-kayy. SECOND warning. Either back off or there will be ... consequences.

its natural that LEon is something different there is absolutely no chance that LEon would be normal or even believable to us
Chances are if I explored this kids mind, I'd find Leon somewhere in there. I believe Leon is a real person. Maybe not a physical person, but mentally he is. He simply shares a body with this kid. Even though Leon was made by this kid, he still seems plenty real to me.

Except, they can't, because they don't.

Either they're lying to you or they're mistaken themselves.

It's all a gigantic fraud propagated by collectivists so they can take power. Sadly, most people are falling for this despicable scam.

This is the one thing the Scientologists have right. I hate to be on their side, but, unfortunately, it's either that or be dishonest and evil.

Jesus Christ. Do you even look at what you type? Look, can't you just leave? You believe it to be the truth that mental disorders don't exist. Fine. To you, they don't; and none of your 'It is the truth' stuff, either. Just leave, for the love of God.

It's all a gigantic fraud propagated by collectivists so they can take power. Sadly, most people are falling for this despicable scam.


And there it is.

Ohh-kayy. SECOND warning. Either back off or there will be ... consequences.

Eutrusca, there's nothing you can do beyond staring at your screen until his head explodes.

Can you do that?

:eek:

EDIT: Maybe TUIB is Maddox.

Except, they can't, because they don't.

Either they're lying to you or they're mistaken themselves.

It's all a gigantic fraud propagated by collectivists so they can take power. Sadly, most people are falling for this despicable scam.

This is the one thing the Scientologists have right. I hate to be on their side, but, unfortunately, it's either that or be dishonest and evil.
Oh dear god. Ok I'm posting something in the moderation section now. This is just getting out of control.

Oh dear god. Ok I'm posting something in the moderation section now. This is just getting out of control.
I already have.

Oh. So what are you when your there? Are you like energy in the shape of your body? Or what?

Oh, and hi Leon. Yes, please tell us everything you can about Reagan so we might be able to stop him and help Kaykami/MacyMan!

Everything feels real and it's like I have a seperate body there but my body waits in this world for me to return. Like I said, It's kind of like a day dream.

Leon says that Reagan's an older male around the age of sixty but that's all he knows. He also knows and is constantly telling me that Reagan isn't real. He's just a hallucination and can't do me any harm.

Leon's laughed and says hello. He says he doesn't plan on going anywhere.

would LEon like anything after all he is a guest in this reality the coffee is what I would recommend

so LEon have you ever seen Reagan and do you know why Reagon does these things to our poor friend?

Everything feels real and it's like I have a seperate body there but my body waits in this world for me to return. Like I said, It's kind of like a day dream.

Leon says that Reagan's an older male around the age of sixty but that's all he knows. He also knows and is constantly telling me that Reagan isn't real. He's just a hallucination and can't do me any harm.
When did these voices start again? If you already told me, I'm too lazy to search through this thread to find it. So yeah. Tell me if it started around any periods of great stress. I.E. A death in the family.

Oh, and, does Leon ever visit you in real life when there are other people around?

I already have.
Ditto.

This did start when my mother and father were dealing with a meth addiction. That's what my therapist says caused it but the bad voice started when nothing was going on. It started when I was around 12.

Oh, and, does Leon ever visit you in real life when there are other people around?

No

Look, can't you just leave?

Why?

I'm the only one here who's actually helping the kid.

Chances are if I explored this kids mind, I'd find Leon somewhere in there. I believe Leon is a real person. Maybe not a physical person, but mentally he is. He simply shares a body with this kid. Even though Leon was made by this kid, he still seems plenty real to me.

I agree LEon seems to be an alternate personality that must of developed when he was in isolation I can expect that when Reagan leaves we will have to deal with LEon before we can really get down to the problem

This did start when my mother and father were dealing with a meth addiction. That's what my therapist says caused it but the bad voice started when nothing was going on. It started when I was around 12.
Hmm... Well, Reagan and Leon are techincally a hallucination, and techincally they are not. They are a hallucination because your mind has made them up, but they've eisted for so long that they are now essentially other people inside of you. On the topic of the alternate reality, what does Becky talk to you about?

Thanks for all the help. I have to go now. I will talk to my therapist about my concerns.

Hmm... Well, Reagan and Leon are techincally a hallucination, and techincally they are not. They are a hallucination because your mind has made them up, but they've eisted for so long that they are now essentially other people inside of you. On the topic of the alternate reality, what does Becky talk to you about?

She has a cruch on Leon so mainly abotu him. Like his favorite colors are and the like.

BYE!

This did start when my mother and father were dealing with a meth addiction. That's what my therapist says caused it but the bad voice started when nothing was going on. It started when I was around 12.

when you was 12 was Reagan different in anyway and has Reagan ever shown any other parts of his personality other than the usual?

I agree LEon seems to be an alternate personality that must of developed when he was in isolation I can expect that when Reagan leaves we will have to deal with LEon before we can really get down to the problem
Please stop calling him LEon. Call him Leon.

Thanks for all the help. I have to go now. I will talk to my therapist about my concerns.
Well, I hope you find a way to get rid of Reagan. Try mentally attacking him. I doubt he would actually fight back, as he kind of needs you. Now I go off to do my science fair project in one day!

Except, it's not. If you honestly think it is, then you are incredibly wrong.


I'm sorry, but I'm not going to stop helping this kid just because you buy into the incorrect notion that individuals do not bear full responsibility for their actions at all times.

Isn't that sort of Scientology-ish

Yes...as I said earlier, that's the one thing they've got right.

Their acceptance of that fact is a fallacy of the stolen concept, though, as they reject the premises and reasoning on which the invalidity of the concept of "mental illness" necessarily depends.

So they've got the right conclusion, but for the wrong reasons.

Yes...as I said earlier, that's the one thing they've got right.

Their acceptance of that fact is a fallacy of the stolen concept, though, as they reject the premises and reasoning on which the invalidity of the concept of "mental illness" necessarily depends.

So they've got the right conclusion, but for the wrong reasons.So you believe there's no such thing as a mental illness?

So you believe there's no such thing as a mental illness?
Yep. He's said that PLENTY of times. He believe people don't REALLY have mental illnesses, that they're just too lazy and don't want to take responsibilty, and use that as an excuse. Also, according to him, psychologists, psychiatrists and any other doctors working in mental illness are making one huge conspiricy to make money. Even though there is plenty of evidence of mental disease, he still denies its existence.

Yes...as I said earlier, that's the one thing they've got right.

Their acceptance of that fact is a fallacy of the stolen concept, though, as they reject the premises and reasoning on which the invalidity of the concept of "mental illness" necessarily depends.

So they've got the right conclusion, but for the wrong reasons.


I might be a little late in this but here it goes. Tangled, if you think that making fun of a person makes them feel any better than you really need to get your head on straight. I read the thread and calling someone "asshole", "jackass", and the hundreds of other things that most of the parents in this country tell their children doesn't help. I have taken several psycology classes and there ARE disorders of the brain that lead to what this person has been describing to himself.

I used to be harassed and called names in school (3rd through 8th grade) and called "stupid", amoung other things, by my own family members. That type of stuff DOES NOT help with issues such as what this person is having. Ignorant coments like the ones that you are making to the person in question only make the disorders that he is having worse and they do not help them at all. Your not helping the situation in this thread, your making it a lot worse than it was. I suggest that for the betterment of the person in question and the tone of this thread that you at least either calm down or leave it.

Yep. He's said that PLENTY of times. He believe people don't REALLY have mental illnesses, that they're just too lazy and don't want to take responsibilty, and use that as an excuse. Also, according to him, psychologists, psychiatrists and any other doctors working in mental illness are making one huge conspiricy to make money. Even though there is plenty of evidence of mental disease, he still denies its existence.Bah. That certainly is pig-headed...
I can't eat tanderines or other orange-like fruits even if I wanted to, and its not because I'm "too lazy."

Except, they can't, because they don't.

Either they're lying to you or they're mistaken themselves.

It's all a gigantic fraud propagated by collectivists so they can take power. Sadly, most people are falling for this despicable scam.

This is the one thing the Scientologists have right. I hate to be on their side, but, unfortunately, it's either that or be dishonest and evil.

See, this is the problem you silly collectivists have. You think there really is a brain and chemical imbalnces in this mythical brain really do affect ones perception of the universe. Once you accept that what you see and hear are all truly, "real," that is the moment that you grow up and understand the goddess Ayn Rand. The voices you hear in your head exist and are part of existence, and... Oh never mind. Objectivist flop-twaddle.