NationStates Jolt Archive

What is the future of Britain? What is the best course of action for us?
Our former superpower has sunk into being America's brown noser, will this continue?
The E.U will continue to be a "Ofcourse we want a united europe. You first though." kind of deal


MY opinions :D

Britains centrist traitor government will result in the populace becoming more and more apathetic or in an enraged populace voting for a party that Keeps its ideals, ie a Far left or Far right party, either this or the Liberal-Democrats who HAVE kept true to their ideology will shape up and become elected.
"The peoples flag is palest pink its not the colour you might think" ectect

We will become less friendly with america due to the general anger and annoyance toward them, either that or a Democrat government will become elected and the relationship may survive.

Devolution will either go away or... (gulp) split the union DAMN NATIONALISTS im welsh goddamit and i LIKE the english go shag a sheep you argh!!! (cries) anywho, i think it will go away and remain a headache of history.

Regarding the European Union, id say either it unifies completely or we get tired of it and withdraw, another possible option is that it reverts to the purely economical side instead of the governance side.

The monarchy will be humiliated with the ascendance of charles and unless a quick death or abdication occurs he will ruin their reputation opening the way for a possible Republicanism attitude.

General attitudes will swing left or right but definately further from center.

Britain wont stay as it is and will either galvanise and become a superpower again or will suffer a collapse and become a Semi-Prosperous european country like Greece or Italy.

The Oil crisis will be felt definately in the motor industry but in electricity nuclear power stations will prevent utter anarchy.

Atheism will become the major belief in Britain due to the youths general "We realy dont give a fuck" attitude. Survery stats 77/100 students are Atheist, 20 believe in Something and 3 follow a major religion (Poll in Bryntirion School Wales, also note 60 students are political apathetic, 17 are centrist, 5 communist, 8 Socialist 7 Liberal and 3 conservative, although general consensus is against gay rights.)

Your views please and thanks (dont be too mean)

id rather have a welsh republic than have Charles as my king....

Britains centrist traitor government will result in the populace becoming more and more apathetic or in an enraged populace voting for a party that Keeps its ideals, ie a Far left or Far right party, either this or the Liberal-Democrats who HAVE kept true to their ideology will shape up and become elected.
"The peoples flag is palest pink its not the colour you might think" ectect
More likely the former for the forseeable future. The next election will determine who will be in power until 2020.

We will become less friendly with america due to the general anger and annoyance toward them, either that or a Democrat government will become elected and the relationship may survive.
Not so sure on this. We rely on America too much to have a less than cordial relationship with them, so in a way we're forced to brown-nose. It's possible that a Democrat government may be easier to get on with, but it depends who the Democrat President is.

Devolution will either go away or... (gulp) split the union DAMN NATIONALISTS im welsh goddamit and i LIKE the english go shag a sheep you argh!!! (cries) anywho, i think it will go away and remain a headache of history.
Regarding the European Union, id say either it unifies completely or we get tired of it and withdraw, another possible option is that it reverts to the purely economical side instead of the governance side.
It's here to stay - Yorkshire and Cornwall both want some level of autonomy now as well. I reckon Scotland and Wales will eventually separate and join the EU themselves (they'll need to in order to survive). England should withdraw as overall it's not beneficial to us.

The monarchy will be humiliated with the ascendance of charles and unless a quick death or abdication occurs he will ruin their reputation opening the way for a possible Republicanism attitude.
Pretty much my view as well. Charles would do well to understand the public's opinion of him, and defer the succession to William, who seems popular with everyone.

General attitudes will swing left or right but definately further from center.
To the right. People are naturally conservative.

Britain wont stay as it is and will either galvanise and become a superpower again or will suffer a collapse and become a Semi-Prosperous european country like Greece or Italy.
If we withdraw from the EU and develop a closer trade relationship with America, we can stay as we are, IMO.

The Oil crisis will be felt definately in the motor industry but in electricity nuclear power stations will prevent utter anarchy.
More likely that renewable resources will provide a significant proportion of our energy requirements - we're developing them already, and by the time we're at the thin end of the wedge with regard to fossil fuels we should be ok.

Atheism will become the major belief in Britain due to the youths general "We realy dont give a fuck" attitude. Survery stats 77/100 students are Atheist, 20 believe in Something and 3 follow a major religion (Poll in Bryntirion School Wales, also note 60 students are political apathetic, 17 are centrist, 5 communist, 8 Socialist 7 Liberal and 3 conservative, although general consensus is against gay rights.)
Probably. That's not exactly a statistically significant survey. At the last census, something like 70% of people identified themselves as Christian, although this will decrease as the older part of the population die.

Hopefully something can be done about the political apathy, or this country's going to shit.

Your views please and thanks (dont be too mean)

We are fine with the whole oil thing, mate. We've got our own oilfields at sea and we could last for a few years whilst we develop decent renewables, as long as we don't export too much oil.

Hopefully attitudes will go to the left, but I doubt it. Hopefully we won't be centre-right, but I can see it coming, sadly.

I hope we don't become a superpower, we're up our own arses as it is. I'd prefer to stay a strong country, but without anything particularly interesting about us. Like Sweden, I suppose.

If we have to brown-nose someone, then I'd prefer to brown-nose the EU. A more liberal attitude would be good for this country, the gays can do whatever the hell they want, as long as they don't force their views upon me. The same goes for religion.

And the monarchy is alright. It's a stabilising influence, and Charles hopefully won't cause too much trouble.

The Liberal Democrats don't have any morals; they change their election manifesto in different constituencies, to suit the political opinions of that area, safe in the knowledge that they will never form a government, and have to fulfil their promises.
Personally, I think everyone hates Labour and even if nobody trusts David Cameron's populist policies, will vote him in at the next election.
And we will stay in the EU because this avoids there being any further war in Europe.

If we have to brown-nose someone, then I'd prefer to brown-nose the EU. A more liberal attitude would be good for this country, the gays can do whatever the hell they want, as long as they don't force their views upon me. The same goes for religion.

And the monarchy is alright. It's a stabilising influence, and Charles hopefully won't cause too much trouble.

The gays' views... what are they?

We are fine with the whole oil thing, mate. We've got our own oilfields at sea and we could last for a few years whilst we develop decent renewables, as long as we don't export too much oil.
We're a net importer of oil already. That'll only get worse as it becomes less and less viable to extract from the North Sea fields.

We're a net importer of oil already. That'll only get worse as it becomes less and less viable to extract from the North Sea fields.

We're a new importer because we sell most of what me have. If we didn't sell our stuff on then we'd be self-sustaining.

*edits*

CC - Urmm that they love people of the same gender. I don't. That's all I meant.

More likely the former for the forseeable future. The next election will determine who will be in power until 2020.
I think that the Conservatives will get in, but they'll be some sex scandal and they'll be ousted for a few years.


Not so sure on this. We rely on America too much to have a less than cordial relationship with them, so in a way we're forced to brown-nose. It's possible that a Democrat government may be easier to get on with, but it depends who the Democrat President is.
Well, Bush is out in 2008 isn't he? That makes America's ass smell nicer.

It's here to stay - Yorkshire and Cornwall both want some level of autonomy now as well. I reckon Scotland and Wales will eventually separate and join the EU themselves (they'll need to in order to survive). England should withdraw as overall it's not beneficial to us.
Wales will never separate, and I doubt Scotland will. What's Wales's economy based on? Sheep farming? With the C.A.P. reduced, they'd all die and come swimming over the River Wye. And the Scots love us really :fluffle:.

Pretty much my view as well. Charles would do well to understand the public's opinion of him, and defer the succession to William, who seems popular with everyone.

Does Charles even want the throne? He'll be pretty much dead by the time his mother croaks anyway.

I agree with the rest.

We're a new importer because we sell most of what me have. If we didn't sell our stuff on then we'd be self-sustaining.

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CC - Urmm that they love people of the same gender. I don't. That's all I meant.

Yeah, but we don't have the right to stop exporting. That's up to Shell, not the government.

We're a new importer because we sell most of what me have. If we didn't sell our stuff on then we'd be self-sustaining.

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CC - Urmm that they love people of the same gender. I don't. That's all I meant.
You don't understand the concept of 'net importer' do you? We import more oil than we export. We do this, because if we didn't, we'd have an oil deficit. We would then be fucked. Well, no, we wouldn't be fucked, we'd just have to find other sources of energy.

If we didn't sell our oil, we would still need to import some to keep our economy going.

You don't understand the concept of 'net importer' do you? We import more oil than we export. We do this, because if we didn't, we'd have an oil deficit. We would then be fucked. Well, no, we wouldn't be fucked, we'd just have to find other sources of energy.

If we didn't sell our oil, we would still need to import some to keep our economy going.

Have you heard about this Japanese plan (http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/laser_hydrogen_020109-1.html)? Sounds a bit far-fetched to me.

You don't understand the concept of 'net importer' do you? We import more oil than we export. We do this, because if we didn't, we'd have an oil deficit. We would then be fucked. Well, no, we wouldn't be fucked, we'd just have to find other sources of energy.

If we didn't sell our oil, we would still need to import some to keep our economy going.

Oh, ok. Sorry for being wrong about that!

*edits*

@ CC

Oh noes!

That laser looks pretty dangerous and could be used for evil. Although that may be the point.

Oh, ok. Sorry for being wrong about that!

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@ CC

Oh noes!

That laser looks pretty dangerous and could be used for evil. Although that may be the point.

Frigging Japs. :eek:

edit - I have nothing against Japanese people.

Frigging Japs. :eek:

edit - I have nothing against Japanese people.

Excellent response.

So what do you all reckon the solution to our energy problems is?

If you live in Orkney then you're alright (they've got offshore windfarms - hurrah!) but the rest of us are mildly buggered.

Biomass and windfarms might work. I'm against nuclear because it's expensive and also leaves dangerous waste around for years and getting solar to work in this part of the world is a joke.

Excellent response.

So what do you all reckon the solution to our energy problems is?

If you live in Orkney then you're alright (they've got offshore windfarms - hurrah!) but the rest of us are mildly buggered.

Biomass and windfarms might work. I'm against nuclear because it's expensive and also leaves dangerous waste around for years and getting solar to work in this part of the world is a joke.

That "excellent response"...was that sarcastic?

That "excellent response"...was that sarcastic?

Not really, no. It was just slightly funny that you said "Frigging Japs" and then "I have nothing against Japanese people" :)

Sorry if that sounded like a piss-take, I found your views quite amusing.

Anyway, I'd like to hear more about your views on alternative energy!

I would say nuclear energy is ideal, the waste may have a very long half-life, but it can just be buried so no-one has to worry about it, but the possible consequences of an accident - no matter how small the risk may be, put me off.
How far off is using nuclear fusion to make energy?

what about the racial future which has been overlooked so far by this thread? Some random trivia: I read that Leicester will be the first British city to have a white minority in the near future

Will future governments do something about the problems of mass immigration to this country, which could create another problem like we have with certain muslim immigrants, who don't conform to the British way of life and you end up with these mini irans all over the place, which are hotbeds for extremisim

I think any future government will do much more to tackle this problem after what happened on 7th July

No offense ment to britain but I dont really care what happens, unless it goes communist in tat case I may like it a little bit more than what i do at the moment which is about 10/100.

The only reason I hate the country is bacause in both the world wars you guys sat on ur asses drinking tea and eating scones (steryotypical ... i know) while we were pwning the enemy and dying 2 protect everyone else.

In the way of military u guys should stick 2 the navy as u seem 2 be pretty good at that.

You want my opinion? :S

Well, we should dam the Severn, in my opinion.

what about the racial future which has been overlooked so far by this thread? Some random trivia: I read that Leicester will be the first British city to have a white minority in the near future

Will future governments do something about the problems of mass immigration to this country, which could create another problem like we have with certain muslim immigrants, who don't conform to the British way of life and you end up with these mini irans all over the place, which are hotbeds for extremisim

I think any future government will do much more to tackle this problem after what happened on 7th July

I don't think there is any problem with white people being in the minority. I think that a society in which everyone is mixed race, is almost inevitable.

No offense ment to britain but I dont really care what happens, unless it goes communist in tat case I may like it a little bit more than what i do at the moment which is about 10/100.

The only reason I hate the country is bacause in both the world wars you guys sat on ur asses drinking tea and eating scones (steryotypical ... i know) while we were pwning the enemy and dying 2 protect everyone else.

In the way of military u guys should stick 2 the navy as u seem 2 be pretty good at that.

my god you're an idiot, what age are you? 12?

No offense ment to britain but I dont really care what happens, unless it goes communist in tat case I may like it a little bit more than what i do at the moment which is about 10/100.

The only reason I hate the country is bacause in both the world wars you guys sat on ur asses drinking tea and eating scones (steryotypical ... i know) while we were pwning the enemy and dying 2 protect everyone else.

In the way of military u guys should stick 2 the navy as u seem 2 be pretty good at that.

Purely out of interest, where are you from?

my god you're an idiot, what age are you? 12?
Hey! Stop insulting idiots.

what about the racial future which has been overlooked so far by this thread? Some random trivia: I read that Leicester will be the first British city to have a white minority in the near future

Will future governments do something about the problems of mass immigration to this country, which could create another problem like we have with certain muslim immigrants, who don't conform to the British way of life and you end up with these mini irans all over the place, which are hotbeds for extremisim

I think any future government will do much more to tackle this problem after what happened on 7th July

The propoertion of Muslim and Asian people in the population is massively exaggerated. In reality only about 2.9% are Muslim, and 3.1% are Pakistani or Indian:

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/uk.html

Hey! Stop insulting idiots.

:( stop infringing on my rights! :D

No offense ment to britain but I dont really care what happens, unless it goes communist in tat case I may like it a little bit more than what i do at the moment which is about 10/100.

The only reason I hate the country is bacause in both the world wars you guys sat on ur asses drinking tea and eating scones (steryotypical ... i know) while we were pwning the enemy and dying 2 protect everyone else.

In the way of military u guys should stick 2 the navy as u seem 2 be pretty good at that.

I'm not going to bother pointing out everything that's wrong with this ^, but I'll just consider it ignorance. Some advice: study history.

The propoertion of Muslim and Asian people in the population is massively exaggerated. In reality only about 2.9% are Muslim, and 3.1% are Pakistani or Indian:

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/uk.html

Also, consider that Muslim and Pakistani/Indian are not mutually exclusive, by a long chalk.

Also, consider that Muslim and Pakistani/Indian are not mutually exclusive, by a long chalk.

Well, Asian origin then - you get the general idea.

what about the racial future which has been overlooked so far by this thread? Some random trivia: I read that Leicester will be the first British city to have a white minority in the near future

Will future governments do something about the problems of mass immigration to this country, which could create another problem like we have with certain muslim immigrants, who don't conform to the British way of life and you end up with these mini irans all over the place, which are hotbeds for extremisim

I think any future government will do much more to tackle this problem after what happened on 7th July

Only about 60 people died. I don't really care about it and to be honest, I reckon it was planned so that Charles Clark and co. could have their way about things.

Xenophobia isn't going to magically cure our problems and I wish that the media would stop going on about it.

Only about 60 people died. I don't really care about it and to be honest, I reckon it was planned so that Charles Clark and co. could have their way about things.

Xenophobia isn't going to magically cure our problems and I wish that the media would stop going on about it.

I agree that it didn't really matter. I'm not sure about the "conspiracy theory".

Whilst I agree that it didn't really matter, I object to your use of language.

Sorted!

*edits* Oh and sorry about my offensive language, I feel quite strongly about the issue.

what about the racial future which has been overlooked so far by this thread? Some random trivia: I read that Leicester will be the first British city to have a white minority in the near future

Will future governments do something about the problems of mass immigration to this country, which could create another problem like we have with certain muslim immigrants, who don't conform to the British way of life and you end up with these mini irans all over the place, which are hotbeds for extremisim

I think any future government will do much more to tackle this problem after what happened on 7th July
Yes, Leicester will be the first white-minority city, by 2014 I think.

Anyway, onto the main point of your post...

What mass immigration problem?
Seriously, do you have any idea for the figures of immigration to this country? It's around 120,000 people per year, net (immigrants minus emigrants). That's bugger all. Our population growth rate, including the immigration is 0.28%! Just to give that in real figures, our population increases by (60,500,000 * 1.0028) each year. Approximately 170,000 people per year, of which over two-thirds are immigrants. Our economy would die without immigrants, for buggery's sake!

What are you, a member of the BNP?

Yes, Leicester will be the first white-minority city, by 2014 I think.

Anyway, onto the main point of your post...

What mass immigration problem?
Seriously, do you have any idea for the figures of immigration to this country? It's around 120,000 people per year, net (immigrants minus emigrants). That's bugger all. Our population growth rate, including the immigration is 0.28%! Just to give that in real figures, our population increases by (60,500,000 * 1.0028) each year. Approximately 170,000 people per year, of which over two-thirds are immigrants. Our economy would die without immigrants, for buggery's sake!

What are you, a member of the BNP?

i'm talking more about the illegal side of immigration, not the hard working type who come to do vital jobs for the economy and actually CONFORM to the state

and why is it when you mention anything about the topic you get bitch slapped and likened to the BNP :headbang:

...our population increases by (60,500,000 * 1.0028) each year. Approximately 170,000 people per year, of which over two-thirds are immigrants. Our economy would die without immigrants, for buggery's sake!

I agree wholeheartedly, but, just to be pernickety, our population increases by (60,500,000 * 0.0028) a year. What you said would mean that the population more than doubled annually.

i'm talking more about the illegal side of immigration, not the hard working type who come to do vital jobs for the economy and actually CONFORM to the state

and why is it when you mention anything about the topic you get bitch slapped and likened to the BNP :headbang:

Well, because you were using the argument that 'native' white people would be in the minority.

i'm talking more about the illegal side of immigration, not the hard working type who come to do vital jobs for the economy and actually CONFORM to the state

and why is it when you mention anything about the topic you get bitch slapped and likened to the BNP :headbang:

But illegal immigrants do vital, if unpleasant jobs for the economy. A lot of illegal immigrants work in abattoirs (sorry if my spelling's poor). Those are pretty vital to the economy.

Illegal immigrants aren't all 'leeching from the economy' or whatever other rubbish the Daily Mail forces down our throats. Most of them actually help the economy, and do a lot of good for the country.

i'm talking more about the illegal side of immigration, not the hard working type who come to do vital jobs for the economy and actually CONFORM to the state

and why is it when you mention anything about the topic you get bitch slapped and likened to the BNP :headbang:
Yeah, official figures put that at about 20,000 a year...unofficial figures at about 40,000. We send back about 15,000 a year.

Besides, even the illegal immigrants have to work. As they're not registered in any way for any form of welfare, they don't have a choice. And what jobs do they get? Crap ones, that nobody else wants to do. I'm not saying that our country would fall apart without them, but companies are bloody glad to have such cheap labour. If they didn't, they'd relocate abroad.

Why do you think there are illegal immigrants? They want money, and an acceptable lifestyle. So would you, if you lived in Kosovo or Chechnya or Kashmir or Palestine or the Sudan or Rwanda or Bangladesh or Tajikistan. The lowest of the low here ranks above where they are in their own country.

The BNP comment was low, but you don't seem to understand the role that immigrants have in this country. Some companies couldn't survive here without them. Don't listen to the mass media, which will tell you that every muslim in this country wants nothing more than to blow up London or whatver. Do your own reading, try to find out things for yourself, rather than accepting what you're told.

what about the racial future which has been overlooked so far by this thread? Some random trivia: I read that Leicester will be the first British city to have a white minority in the near future

Will future governments do something about the problems of mass immigration to this country, which could create another problem like we have with certain muslim immigrants, who don't conform to the British way of life and you end up with these mini irans all over the place, which are hotbeds for extremisim

I think any future government will do much more to tackle this problem after what happened on 7th July

Wow, someone nees to stop reading the Daily Heil (I mean Mail) and look at reality: Britain has, for hundereds of years, worked with and accepted other religions and lifestyles. We had an Empire that spanned all over the globe. What's more, the Empire fought alongside the UK in both world wars - as well as forming the backbone of our economy, then based on manufacturing and trade.

The reason why a minority; and that's all it is, a minority, is turing to extremeism is a combination of inner-city poverty, ludicrous and divisive foreign policy, and right-wing idiots who can't think of something else to vent their hate on.

Multicultureism is one of Britain's better aspects. There are extremists is every race, religion and creed, and that includes so-called "white Britons".

I agree wholeheartedly, but, just to be pernickety, our population increases by (60,500,000 * 0.0028) a year. What you said would mean that the population more than doubled annually.
Yeah, sorry. I re-worded it, then forgot to change it. Thanks. :)

Wow, someone nees to stop reading the Daily Heil (I mean Mail) and look at reality: Britain has, for hundereds of years, worked with and accepted other religions and lifestyles. We had an Empire that spanned all over the globe. What's more, the Empire fought alongside the UK in both world wars - as well as forming the backbone of our economy, then based on manufacturing and trade.

The reason why a minority; and that's all it is, a minority, is turing to extremeism is a combination of inner-city poverty, ludicrous and divisive foreign policy, and right-wing idiots who can't think of something else to vent their hate on.

Multicultureism is one of Britain's better aspects. There are extremists is every race, religion and creed, and that includes so-called "white Britons".

Indeed, white Britons are some of the worst. The amount of casual racism up here in York is staggering. Euch...

Extremism here is mostly caused by poverty and hatred towards the government. Anyone who blames it on Islam is astonishingly misguided. What would tackle extremism is social reform, not ridiculous laws that don't even give people trials.

No offense ment to britain but I dont really care what happens, unless it goes communist in tat case I may like it a little bit more than what i do at the moment which is about 10/100.

The only reason I hate the country is bacause in both the world wars you guys sat on ur asses drinking tea and eating scones (steryotypical ... i know) while we were pwning the enemy and dying 2 protect everyone else.

In the way of military u guys should stick 2 the navy as u seem 2 be pretty good at that.

o yeah, coming from someone who turned up late for both wars?

No offense ment to britain but I dont really care what happens, unless it goes communist in tat case I may like it a little bit more than what i do at the moment which is about 10/100.

The only reason I hate the country is bacause in both the world wars you guys sat on ur asses drinking tea and eating scones (steryotypical ... i know) while we were pwning the enemy and dying 2 protect everyone else.

In the way of military u guys should stick 2 the navy as u seem 2 be pretty good at that.

Do you not learn about the battle of Britain, or our many commando raids, or the battle in Africa in the USA?

You didn't even turn up in Europe properly until 1944 and you made a poor effort of it at your beaches, let's face it.

Your soldiers died to protect your government's interests, that's who your soldiers died for. You didn't "pwn" anyone until 1942. That's actually 3 years into the war. That's halfway. And that was in your own little theatre of battle.

That is, «Vive la revolution!» or ¡Viva le revolution!
Isn't it 'revolucion' (with a cedille on the 'c')? Or is that just how it's pronounced?

Isn't it 'revolucion' (with a cedille on the 'c')? Or is that just how it's pronounced?

Oh quiet. What he said was more wrong than what I said.

i have found: Vive la revolución which i think is spanish and
Vive la révolution which i think is french, so which one shall i use...

i chose the french one

i chose the french one
Why not choose one where the revolution was a success...?

'Race issues'?
When I was in London a month ago, I saw about eight black people total, maybe twenty Indians and about the same number of people who were 'sort of middle-easternish' (I personally cant tell the difference between, say, an Arab and an Iranian).
And most of those were either in the airport headed for Kashmir Airlines or driving cabs...or in *shudder* Camden Town.
I cant beleive our tourguide suggested we go there in our spare time.

Why not choose one where the revolution was a success...?

What happened to the French aristocracy?

'Race issues'?
When I was in London a month ago, I saw about eight black people total, maybe twenty Indians and about the same number of people who were 'sort of middle-easternish' (I personally cant tell the difference between, say, an Arab and an Iranian).
And most of those were either in the airport headed for Kashmir Airlines or driving cabs...or in *shudder* Camden Town.
I cant beleive our tourguide suggested we go there in our spare time.
That's very surprising, London truly is a melting pot of different races.

What happened to the French aristocracy?
You're mistaking the revolution and the counter-revolution.
The initial revolution was the one that got rid of the aristocracy and initiated the Terror. Then the counter-revolution overthrew Robespierre (leader of the Terror) in July 1794. They're both lumped together under the term 'French Revolution'.

The idea behind the French Revolution (the initial one) was to implement a constitutional monarchy and a reformed church. Based on that, it failed.

That's very surprising, London truly is a melting pot of different races.

i wonder what part of London it was :confused:

not to push on the issue even more but the majority of people i would walk past on a trip to london are blacks/asians in the slight majority, maybe i just tend to notice them more

I don't think there is any problem with white people being in the minority. I think that a society in which everyone is mixed race, is almost inevitable.
By then, I will be dead, thank God.

You're mistaking the revolution and the counter-revolution.
The initial revolution was the one that got rid of the aristocracy and initiated the Terror. Then the counter-revolution overthrew Robespierre (leader of the Terror) in July 1794. They're both lumped together under the term 'French Revolution'.

The idea behind the French Revolution (the initial one) was to implement a constitutional monarchy and a reformed church. Based on that, it failed.

Fair enough. *sighs* Not really my day for arguments...

@ The other thing

Yeah, London is quite a diverse place. It seems a little odd that you didn't see too many non-whites.

That's very surprising, London truly is a melting pot of different races.
My point was that those 70 minorities were out of some 100,000 OTHER people who I saw, to point out that, at least in London, 'mass immigration' is not an issue.

That's very surprising, London truly is a melting pot of different races.
It is (at least on the outside). It gives the illusion that Britain itself is a melting pot, which is untrue. Non-whites don't even number at 10% of the population. Luckily Britain hasn't got much of a problem with illegal immigrants.

You're mistaking the revolution and the counter-revolution.
The initial revolution was the one that got rid of the aristocracy and initiated the Terror. Then the counter-revolution overthrew Robespierre (leader of the Terror) in July 1794. They're both lumped together under the term 'French Revolution'.

The idea behind the French Revolution (the initial one) was to implement a constitutional monarchy and a reformed church. Based on that, it failed.
Sadly. Only to have Napoleon come later and create his own empire. :p

My point was that those 70 minorities were out of some 100,000 OTHER people who I saw, to point out that, at least in London, 'mass immigration' is not an issue.
No offence here, but...well...duh?
Immigrants are generally poor. London is renowned for being an expensive place to live.

There are significant ethnic minorities in London, because of the immigration in the 1950s-1970s. London was where there were many low-paid, unskilled jobs going, which attracted the immigrants.

Sadly. Only to have Napoleon come later and create his own empire. :p
Yep. Fucktard that he was.

Ooooh...let's try and conquer Russia in winter while my army is stretched across all of central Europe...:rolleyes:

Indeed, white Britons are some of the worst. The amount of casual racism up here in York is staggering. Euch...

Extremism here is mostly caused by poverty and hatred towards the government. Anyone who blames it on Islam is astonishingly misguided. What would tackle extremism is social reform, not ridiculous laws that don't even give people trials.
And less, more efficient government.

And less, more efficient government.

A benevolent dictator would be nice. If Prince William seems alright then I say screw the government and have him rule.

Sadly. Only to have Napoleon come later and create his own empire. :p

owned :p

then they had a monarchy again in 1814 until 1848 then another emperor a couple of years later :confused:

proof that cheap populism never fails

A benevolent dictator would be nice. If Prince William seems alright then I say screw the government and have him rule.
He isn't a real Monarch. He is an inbred brat.

He isn't a real Monarch. He is an inbred brat.

better him than harry :sniper:

No offence here, but...well...duh?
Immigrants are generally poor. London is renowned for being an expensive place to live.

There are significant ethnic minorities in London, because of the immigration in the 1950s-1970s. London was where there were many low-paid, unskilled jobs going, which attracted the immigrants.
I was speaking in response to some other guy who said there was some kind of horrible immigration problem. Muslims jumping the channel and all that.

Yep. Fucktard that he was.

Ooooh...let's try and conquer Russia in winter while my army is stretched across all of central Europe...:rolleyes:
I liked the guy. Although I would have preferred for the Revolution to have succeeded in its aims. He sort of reminds me of Hitler coming into power after the German Monarchy, and subsequent parliamentary democracy, were removed. He even made some of the same mistakes as Hitler. :eek: Napoleon suffered from both extreme genius and extreme idiocy, the latter sadly indermining him.

better him than harry :sniper:
The days of Monarchy are over, lamentably. All that most modern "royals" are is spoilt brats and money leeches. For me, the way to go now is minarchism.

I was speaking in response to some other guy who said there was some kind of horrible immigration problem. Muslims jumping the channel and all that.
Ah, ok. I guess I should read all posts...

Yep. Fucktard that he was.

Ooooh...let's try and conquer Russia in winter while my army is stretched across all of central Europe...:rolleyes:

It worked for Hitler, didn't it... oh... wait...




And I thought that the immigration, especially in the '50s and '60s was due to the fact that the male population got killed off in World War 2 and the government appealed for people to come and do their jobs...

I was speaking in response to some other guy who said there was some kind of horrible immigration problem. Muslims jumping the channel and all that.
I didn't say that at all. :eek:

I was simply surprised at your claim that you'd only seen 'about 8 black people'. I didn't make even a small comment about immigration.

I didn't say that at all. :eek:

I was simply surprised at your claim that you'd only seen 'about 8 black people'. I didn't make even a small comment about immigration.

might have been me actually :p

And I thought that the immigration, especially in the '50s and '60s was due to the fact that the male population got killed off in World War 2 and the government appealed for people to come and do their jobs...
It was...
When I said the low-paid, unskilled jobs attracted the immigrants I meant that once they'd got here they were attracted to those jobs, not that that was the reason thay came over in the first place.

Oh... ok, thanks for clearing that up :)

By then, I will be dead, thank God.

I'd say that it is the other races who ought to thank 'God' that you'll be dead, you racist moron.

Britain becoming a superpower again?

Pur-lease.

Britain becoming a superpower again?

Pur-lease.

Is that a strange combination of poorly spelt Latin and childish sarcasm?

Is that a strange combination of poorly spelt Latin and childish sarcasm?

Est combinatio maturi sensus realitatum cum usu linguae ut a vulgo britannico locuta, somnia stulta Britanniae dominationis orbis ridiculanda.

Clearer now?

Est combinatio maturi sensus realitatum cum usu linguae ut a vulgo britannico locuta, somnia stulta Britanniae dominationis orbis ridiculanda.

Clearer now?

Well, no. All you've done is poorly translate what I said into pig Latin.

I happen to teach that stuff.
You happen not to have a clue.

Si tacuisses.

Well, no. All you've done is poorly translate what I said into pig Latin.
No, that's pretty good Latin as far as my GCSE standard talents can tell. And that was six years ago. I think it says something along the lines of:
It's a combination of a proper sense of reality with (something something) that (something about the native British language, I think), (something) will stop Britain becoming a world power (actually 'dominating the world', but that's the meaning).

No, that's pretty good Latin as far as my GCSE standard talents can tell. And that was six years ago. I think it says something along the lines of:
It's a combination of a proper sense of reality with (something something) that (something about the native British language, I think), (something) will stop Britain becoming a world power (actually 'dominating the world', but that's the meaning).

Close. Straight B.

It is the combination of a mature sense of realities with a use of language as spoken by the common British people, ridiculing silly dreams of British world domination.

And it is pretty correct Latin.

Close. Straight B.

It is the combination of a mature sense of realities with a use of language as spoken by the common British people, ridiculing silly dreams of British world domination.

And it is pretty correct Latin.
Woo! Heh, I got a B at GCSE too. Obviously I've not lost the touch. :p

I happen to teach that stuff.
You happen not to have a clue.

Si tacuisses.

This doesn't change the fact that you said "pur-lease". As for you being a Latin teacher... why not teach a useful subject, such as French or German?

Woo! Heh, I got a B at GCSE too. Obviously I've not lost the touch. :p

Surely not. Bene fecisti. Well done.

This doesn't change the fact that you said "pur-lease". As for you being a Latin teacher... why not teach a useful subject, such as French or German?

I'd rather make such career decisions without your not very estimated nor substantiated comments.

I'd rather make such career decisions without your not very estimated nor substantiated comments.

I think you should master your native tongue before attempting to teach others Latin. I say again, "pur-lease"?

I think you should master your native tongue before attempting to teach others Latin. I say again, "pur-lease"?

You may take it for granted that I master my native tongue, which is German.

Since you are a poor little troll who has nothing to offer but quick assumptions, you may also take it for granted that I shall not reply to your goading attempts any longer.

You may take it for granted that I master my native tongue, which is German.

Since you are a poor little troll who has nothing to offer but quick assumptions, you may also take it for granted that I shall not reply to your goading attempts any longer.

Hmm, Dorstfeld, I should have noticed this. Ah well, such is the life of me.

The UK should devote itself to civilizing the savages in war-torn Africa.

The UK should devote itself to civilizing the savages in war-torn Africa.

They should rather turn their attention to the savages in their inner cities and council estates first.

They should rather turn their attention to the savages in their inner cities and council estates first.


I think they can do both at once.

You may take it for granted that I master my native tongue, which is German.

Since you are a poor little troll who has nothing to offer but quick assumptions, you may also take it for granted that I shall not reply to your goading attempts any longer.

Well, I've been reliably informed that your Latin is of good quality; you speak German, English and Latin; you are perfectly reasonable. I withdraw all my derogation from you.

I think they can do both at once.

Asbo-chavs to Swaziland?

Seriously, the days when Britain was a power to meddle with parts of the world other than their own island are gone for good.

On the other hand, the question what Africa would be like today had it not been colonised and exploited by the British Empire and other imperialist states remains hypothetical history and, as such, entirely futile and pointless.

Everybody mind their own backyard, is my opinion, and especially the USA have enough reason to.

Asbo-chavs to Swaziland?

Seriously, the days when Britain was a power to meddle with parts of the world other than their own island are gone for good.

On the other hand, the question what Africa would be like today had it not been colonised and exploited by the British Empire and other imperialist states remains hypothetical history and, as such, entirely futile and pointless.

Everybody mind their own backyard, is my opinion, and especially the USA have enough reason to.


Are the parts colonized by the UK better off or worse off on average than the parts colonized by other countries?

They should rather turn their attention to the savages in their inner cities and council estates first.

I agree to this and beleive that America should do the same.

Our motto should be..."The savages in Detriot first, then the savages in Iraq!"

Do you guys like?

I agree to this and beleive that America should do the same.

Our motto should be..."The savages in Detriot first, then the savages in Iraq!"

Do you guys like?

Very much.

They should rather turn their attention to the savages in their inner cities and council estates first.
A classic case of the media portraying the negative stereotype, when in reality the problem is nowhere near as bad. If people didn't pay attention to the tabloids, or ITV, this country would be fine - the government would be able to get on with things that really matter (like colluding in corruption with Italian prime ministers who shall remain anonymous).

Very much.

I agree, lets start the club.

How can we expect to civilize the middle east if we cant get to our own middle easts in our midst.

... the government would be able to get on with things that really matter (like colluding in corruption with Italian prime ministers who shall remain anonymous).

Berlusconman?

Berlusconman?
Yeah, that dude. Berlusconi. Though I think he lost the election. What a pity.

Yeah, that dude. Berlusconi. Though I think he lost the election. What a pity.

Well, he doesn't think so. :D

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