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HAPPY EASTER TO EVERYONE!

Hope everyone has a good day!

Dont forget about Christ, Jesus The Lord

Myself, I'm not Christian, but thanks anyway!

Thank you and same to you! Enjoy some choc eggs!

Yes, Im looking forward to a Mars Egg actually.

I'm half tempted to spout some anti-religious stuff that'll end up causing a major conflict.

But then I realize there's no point in that. Happy Easter to you too, buddy.

Don't forget a carrot for the Easter Bunny, ya jerks.

Jesus and the Easter Bunny are tight.

HAPPY EASTER TO EVERYONE!

Hope everyone has a good day!

Dont forget about Christ, Jesus The Lord

Isn't Easter a PAGAN thing?

Don't forget a carrot for the Easter Bunny, ya jerks.

Jesus and the Easter Bunny are tight.

Also Jesus and his good friend Santa

I'm half tempted to spout some anti-religious stuff that'll end up causing a major conflict.

But then I realize there's no point in that. Happy Easter to you too, buddy.

Thank you for your respect in our believes and not starting anything. Its our Hol. Thanks again

Isn't Easter a PAGAN thing?

Most symbols of Easter are Pagan but the main idea is about Christianity.

yay for easter.

Thank you for your respect in our believes and not starting anything. Its our Hol. Thanks again

Its everybody's holiday now. It is like trademarks, once it hits common usage, bam its no longer a trademark.

You made that sucker a bank holiday, everyone started celebrating, and now it is a secular candy fest.

Thank you for your respect in our believes and not starting anything. Its our Hol. Thanks again

I respect your right to have and practice a belief, but to say its "your holiday" seems a bit off. There might be a historical background to Easter that isn't entirely rooted in your religion.

The symbols and origin are pagan, likely named after the goddess of fertility Eostre (there are other spellings,) it is the celebration of rebirth and fertility with the return of spring.

It is also a time of many pre-christian resurections for much the same reason, the rebirth of "the world" from the dead of winter.

So, have a nice long weekend, try not to overindulge in the chocolates and for those not interested, here's hoping the solicitors and proslitysers find something usefull to do for a change.

I'm spending Easter safely cowering from Zombie Jesus. On Easter Zombie Jesus comes out of his grave and gives presents in a bunny costume.

Happy chocolate egg-laying bunny day.

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/2579/easter7om.jpg

No, I don't get tired of showing off my disturbing photomanips.

Easter? Is this the holiday where we celebrate the defeat of the Easterlings by the armies of Gondor?

Isn't Easter a PAGAN thing?

Yes, Easter is a pagan thing. It was a Christian, St. Bede, who first outlined the history of Easter. The word comes from Eastare (or other spellings), a teutonic goddess. The rabbit and the eggs were pagan fertility symbols.

Jesus would probably be upset to see people worshipping him as a god and practicing pagan things in his name. Ironically, the one holiday that is commanded in the Bible during this time of year in both the Jewish scriptures (Old Testament) and the NT is Passover. How many Christians even know what that is?

Ironically, the one holiday that is commanded in the Bible during this time of year in both the Jewish scriptures (Old Testament) and the NT is Passover. How many Christians even know what that is?


Passover is a holiday/feast that is in celebration/remembrance of when the angel of death "passed over" all of the Jewish first borns and only killed the Egyptian first borns in the last plague that Moses and God sent down on the Pharoah for not letting the Jewish slaves go. The Jews had to paint lambs blood over their doors to their houses so that the angel of death "knew" which houses to enter and which ones to leave alone. So the ones with the blood of the lamb were spared, a future symbol of Jesus Christ being the lamb of God and his blood saving anyone who would accept him from the depths of hell.

The feast of unlevened (sp?) bread is included in this feast/celebration along with some other Jewish customs. I could go into more detail but will spare you :).



How's that for a Christian not knowing what Passover is :). I don't personally celebrate the whole Passover feast, but do observe the communion part of it every year at Passover season.

HAPPY EASTER TO EVERYONE!

Hope everyone has a good day!

Dont forget about Christ, Jesus The Lord
Yup, Happy Easter to one and all!! :)

Happy Easter all.

And a whatever kind of greeting is appropriate for passover, which began I believe on thursday.

Oh and don't forget "Earth Day" on the 22nd April which I assume covers all those Gaia theory people too.

btw, on a related yet not note, It's 7.58am on Easter Sunday, first person I saw today had a t-shirt on with the slogan "I found Jesus!" (he was behind the sofa all the time).

Respect to someone who can wear that today.

Passover is a holiday/feast that is in celebration/remembrance of when the angel of death "passed over" all of the Jewish first borns and only killed the Egyptian first borns in the last plague that Moses and God sent down on the Pharoah for not letting the Jewish slaves go.

Yay for celebrations of genocide!

Yep, happy Easter.
May you all find your way back to the roots of this ancient festival and celebrate fertility and indulgence in excess :D

HAPPY STUFF-TOO-MUCH-CHOCOLATE-DOWN-YOUR-FACE-DAY

Or if you're a KOL player, happy St. Sneaky Pete's Oyster Day.

HAPPY EASTER TO EVERYONE!

Hope everyone has a good day!

Dont forget about Christ, Jesus The Lord
I sure did!:)

Lord? What is this? feudalism?

Lord? What is this? feudalism?

*lol

Nah, just some ill-aimed evangelism, I'm guessing ;)

*lol

Nah, just some ill-aimed evangelism, I'm guessing ;)
O well. That is not going to stop me from suffering through chocolate stomach-aches and turkey dinner.

Dont forget about Christ, Jesus The Lord

Or all the other people who were killed for their religious beliefs. Let us have a moment of silence to contemplate.

i do try to not see today as an excuse to eat chocolate but unfortunately, this morning at mass i think i realised i am aetheist
either that or indecisive [agnostic??]
but i can't help thinking that it was 2000 years ago
and i know how chinese whispers works within a few minutes...

the parents will be devestated, which kinda sucks

Easter? Is this the holiday where we celebrate the defeat of the Easterlings by the armies of Gondor?

Yaha :D

Woohoo, egg shaped chocolate day! Thankfully the days of exchanging real eggs is long past.

*snip* So the ones with the blood of the lamb were spared, a future symbol of Jesus Christ being the lamb of God and his blood saving anyone who would accept him from the depths of hell.

Just so you know, the Christian interpretation of passover is an ethnocentric and downright anti-Semitic one. It is not in any way, shape, or form related to Jesus. Nor does the Torah state it is. Claiming that passover is related to Jesus being the "lamb of God" makes about as much sense as claiming it was the future symbol of Mithras, who was called the "lamb of God" before Jesus was.

Please don't pervert our holidays with your human sacrifice.

HAPPY EASTER TO EVERYONE!

Hope everyone has a good day!

Dont forget about Christ, Jesus The Lord

Thank you Lord Jesus for dying for us so that whosoever believe in you shall not perish but have everlasting life.

*snip*

Don't start a holy war T.S. It is impolite to start one on this most holy of days.

*finishes dressing for Easter Church Service*

Don't start a holy war T.S. It is impolite to start one on this most holy of days.

*finishes dressing for Easter Church Service*

Crucify hi... oh, sorry. :cool:

Crucify hi... oh, sorry. :cool:

"Release Prian!!!"

"I'm Brian, and so is my wife!"

'T might be a good day to watch "The life of Brian" again...

:D

Crucify hi... oh, sorry. :cool:

And he was and rose again 3 days later.

Don't start a holy war T.S. It is impolite to start one on this most holy of days.

*finishes dressing for Easter Church Service*

I disagree, surely a holy day is the best time to start a holy war. ;)

Isn't Easter a PAGAN thing?

t'could be debated 'till the end of time. Personally I don't see how it goes from crucifixion and ressurection to chocolate bunnies and colored eggs.

But hey, it's a good holiday, if not for the spiritual aspect then maybe the chocolate...:p

t'could be debated 'till the end of time. Personally I don't see how it goes from crucifixion and ressurection to chocolate bunnies and colored eggs.

If you live in the Uk then buy this week's edition of Private Eye, it's got a great cartoon on the subject.

t'could be debated 'till the end of time.

Well.. no. The correct answer is that easter is both Christian and Pagan. A multireligious feast, celebrating several things.

Unfortunately this is unacceptable to most people.

Most symbols of Easter are Pagan but the main idea is about Christianity.

Adapted from a pagan festival of course.

Well.. no. The correct answer is that easter is both Christian and Pagan. A multireligious feast, celebrating several things.

Unfortunately this is unacceptable to most people.

Yep...Pagans disown the idea...and Christians (of the psychotic pursuasion) find it insulting...

Isn't Easter a PAGAN thing?
Ostara happened March 21st. It's tied to the Vernal Equinox. Happy traditional pan-European edible gifts denoting fertility, everybody. We made the Sun return; now let's pair off in the fields together to make the crops return, too.

There's serious magic to be done.

Ostara happened March 21st. It's tied to the Vernal Equinox. Happy traditional pan-European edible gifts denoting fertility, everybody. We made the Sun return; now let's pair off in the fields together to make the crops return, too.

There's serious magic to be done.

You do know HOW some of tha mgic used to work for some cultures, don't you? :D

Happy Pagan fertility festival; but I will support your cause by making sure to buy one of those delectable little eggs! ;)

"Release Prian!!!"

"I'm Brian, and so is my wife!"

'T might be a good day to watch "The life of Brian" again...

:D

I hadn't even though of watching Life of Brian today! Excellent!
'Alright, I am the Messiah!'
'HE IS THE MESSIAH!'
'Now fuck off!!'

Dont forget about Christ, Jesus The Lord

Ummm ...

Oh never mind. Too easy.

Hope that works out for you, though.

I hadn't even though of watching Life of Brian today! Excellent!
'Alright, I am the Messiah!'
'HE IS THE MESSIAH!'
'Now fuck off!!'

I feel it's a religious requirement to watch that movie today... no matter what religion you are :D

"Romanes eunt domus? People called Romanes they go the house?"
"It's spposed to say Romans go home"
"But it doesn't!"

Thanks jesus for the wonderfuly tasting candy......and the dying for our sins thing, but mainly the candy.

Thanks jesus for the wonderfuly tasting candy......and the dying for our sins thing, but mainly the candy.

You disgust me. :o
Jesus not only died for our sins, but it removed all animal sacrifice to! He was the ultimate hippie. :)

Here: the perfect image of Easter, courtesy of the Portland Mercury:
http://www.portlandmercury.com/binary/1bdce9a0/cover-400.jpg

Its times like these we should all remember the TRUE story of the Easter Bunny.
http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=120
:P

HAPPY EASTER TO EVERYONE!

Hope everyone has a good day!

Dont forget about Christ, Jesus The Lord

Wow, I wouldn't have had the guts to start a thread like that on Nationstates general (usually you're asking for it...) but have a very happy Easter too! <><

Great.. I killed yet another thread. What a terrible Easter present! :(

Time for my favourite holiday rapper, Easta Rhymes!

When he nailed up on the cross, betta show some respect
WOO-HAA
Got you all in check!
Gonna head out to the church, gonna genuflect
WOO-HAA
Got you all in check!

Well.. no. The correct answer is that easter is both Christian and Pagan. A multireligious feast, celebrating several things.

Unfortunately this is unacceptable to most people.

The other correct answer is that christianity is based entirely on a combination of just about every religion from Europe, Asia and the Middle East since the dawn of time and has usurped their ideas, traditions and beliefs, changed them to make them more appealing to the masses and then ridiculed away all the other religions saying that to believe in them is to be condemned. Also is it just me or is Catholicism ridiculously hypocritical? Commandment: "Thou Shalt not worship craven images"; just how many saints are there that christians are supposed to worship? Tel me that's not idolitrist!!!!!

Oh and, I heard yesterday that 85% of the american population is christian!!! now as an atheist that really fuckin scares me!

Yes, Im looking forward to a Mars Egg actually.

Jesus ate chocolate today?

You disgust me. :o
Jesus not only died for our sins, but it removed all animal sacrifice to! He was the ultimate hippie. :)

Or ultimate crazy person. But either way, so long and thanks for all the chocolate.

Wow, I wouldn't have had the guts to start a thread like that on Nationstates general (usually you're asking for it...) but have a very happy Easter too! <><

Normally you would be right but today is a day of celebration wether you are Christian or not for we are all created equal in my opinion.

You know? I think I learned something today, it doesn't matter if you're Christian or Jewish or Atheist or Hindu. Easter still is about one very important thing: chocolate.

You know? I think I learned something today, it doesn't matter if you're Christian or Jewish or Atheist or Hindu. Easter still is about one very important thing: chocolate.
And fucking. More importantly.

Happy Resurrection Day, my friends. :) May Christ be a continual blessing in your lives.

Thomas

The other correct answer is that christianity is based entirely on a combination of just about every religion from Europe, Asia and the Middle East since the dawn of time and has usurped their ideas, traditions and beliefs, changed them to make them more appealing to the masses and then ridiculed away all the other religions saying that to believe in them is to be condemned. Also is it just me or is Catholicism ridiculously hypocritical? Commandment: "Thou Shalt not worship craven images"; just how many saints are there that christians are supposed to worship? Tel me that's not idolitrist!!!!!

Oh and, I heard yesterday that 85% of the american population is christian!!! now as an atheist that really fuckin scares me!


How many people of the 85% actually act christian though? There is a huge difference between being a christian and just saying you are affiliated with christianity.

HAPPY EASTER TO EVERYONE!

Hope everyone has a good day!

Dont forget about Christ, Jesus The Lord


You realize Easter isn't a Christian holiday, but a Pagan one the Christians stole to keep converts, right?

Though..someone's prolly said that.

About those 85% "Christians"; the term "Christian" was actually invented as a derogetory term meaning "Christ-like". I don't really understand how that is derogetory, but that's the history of it. So alot of these yahoos running around claiming to be Christians are not true Christians even if they are born again. Just because you or your grandpa go a "Christian" church (which in popular interpretation is just about anything that isn't pagan) doesn't make you a Christian. I'm sorry. What makes you a Christian is "that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine hearth that God hath raised him fron the dead, thou shalt be saved."-Romans 10:9.

As for the history of Easter: I don't know too much about it, but I know enough that it, like Christmas, began as a pagan holiday, "Christianized" by the Catholics. Some say it was the perverted Pope's way of scheming and tricking the Christians into celebrating a pagan holiday under the guise of Christianity. I don't know about that, but I wouldn't put it past some of those past Popes. The Illegal I hit it on the head about the Catholic traditions worshipping Mary and other saints when the Bible clearly states, 'Thou shalt have no other gods before me', 'Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image', and, 'Call no man father'. I am not here to bash the Catholics, but since someone brought it up, I thought I should clarify.

Easter (Resurrection Sunday) is the celebration of the resurrection of Christ Jesus. Jesus died just as every other prophet of every other religion; Mohammed, Sidharta Gautama, Joseph Smith, Charles Russell, etc. The only difference is, Jesus is the Son of God and He is raised from the dead, claiming victory over death and hell!! Everyone dies, religious or not, but how many do you know that are dead for 3 days and rise again only to ascend into heaven through the clouds? The truth of the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ can only be denied by the faithless, hard-hearted, prideful ones who think they are too smart to believe the "impossible" and too tough to need the help of God.

HAPPY EASTER TO EVERYONE!

Hope everyone has a good day!

Dont forget about Christ, Jesus The Lord
Silly poxie dead-jew-savior-on-a-stick day.

Just so you know, the Christian interpretation of passover is an ethnocentric and downright anti-Semitic one. It is not in any way, shape, or form related to Jesus. Nor does the Torah state it is. Claiming that passover is related to Jesus being the "lamb of God" makes about as much sense as claiming it was the future symbol of Mithras, who was called the "lamb of God" before Jesus was.

Please don't pervert our holidays with your human sacrifice.


Actually, if you really understood much about your own passover (if you are claiming to be Jewish) then you should know that the passover feast indeed has many implications and symbolisms pointing to the Jews Messiah. If you really really want to chat about it I'll start listing them all. But really, you should understand your own holiday if you really are saying that the passover does not point to the Jewish Messiah. If you don't believe that Jesus Christ was that Messiah then that is one thing, but to say that the passover doesn't point to the Jewish Messiah is just plain hilarious.

Crucify hi... oh, sorry. :cool:


Thats wonderful. You can try all you want to try to start a holy war but I know in my heart that it was my personal sins that put Jesus on the cross and God (yes, Yahweh) just used the Jewish people of Jesus' time to put him there.

It was not their fault it was/is mine for sinning, God just used them to fulfill the Messianic prophecies of the Old Testament.

About those 85% "Christians"; the term "Christian" was actually invented as a derogetory term meaning "Christ-like". I don't really understand how that is derogetory, but that's the history of it. So alot of these yahoos running around claiming to be Christians are not true Christians even if they are born again. Just because you or your grandpa go a "Christian" church (which in popular interpretation is just about anything that isn't pagan) doesn't make you a Christian. I'm sorry. What makes you a Christian is "that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine hearth that God hath raised him fron the dead, thou shalt be saved."-Romans 10:9.

As for the history of Easter: I don't know too much about it, but I know enough that it, like Christmas, began as a pagan holiday, "Christianized" by the Catholics. Some say it was the perverted Pope's way of scheming and tricking the Christians into celebrating a pagan holiday under the guise of Christianity. I don't know about that, but I wouldn't put it past some of those past Popes. The Illegal I hit it on the head about the Catholic traditions worshipping Mary and other saints when the Bible clearly states, 'Thou shalt have no other gods before me', 'Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image', and, 'Call no man father'. I am not here to bash the Catholics, but since someone brought it up, I thought I should clarify.

Easter (Resurrection Sunday) is the celebration of the resurrection of Christ Jesus. Jesus died just as every other prophet of every other religion; Mohammed, Sidharta Gautama, Joseph Smith, Charles Russell, etc. The only difference is, Jesus is the Son of God and He is raised from the dead, claiming victory over death and hell!! Everyone dies, religious or not, but how many do you know that are dead for 3 days and rise again only to ascend into heaven through the clouds? The truth of the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ can only be denied by the faithless, hard-hearted, prideful ones who think they are too smart to believe the "impossible" and too tough to need the help of God.


I couldn't have said ti more perfectly, everything you said there was 100% correct and to the point.

Actually, if you really understood much about your own passover (if you are claiming to be Jewish) then you should know that the passover feast indeed has many implications and symbolisms pointing to the Jews Messiah.
AFAIK, the passover feast commemorates the fact that no jewish firstborn males were killed in the 10th plague. They were "passed over" because of the blood on the doors.

I could be wrong, though, but I'm quite certain I'm not.

AFAIK, the passover feast commemorates the fact that no jewish firstborn males were killed in the 10th plague. They were "passed over" because of the blood on the doors.

I could be wrong, though, but I'm quite certain I'm not.

This is indeed correct.

The Illegal I hit it on the head about the Catholic traditions worshipping Mary and other saints when the Bible clearly states, 'Thou shalt have no other gods before me', 'Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image', and, 'Call no man father'. I am not here to bash the Catholics, but since someone brought it up, I thought I should clarify.

First off, declaring someone a saint is not making a "graven image", making a crucifix as a religious symbol is.


Jesus died just as every other prophet of every other religion; Mohammed, Sidharta Gautama, Joseph Smith, Charles Russell, etc. The only difference is, Jesus is the Son of God and He is raised from the dead, claiming victory over death and hell!! Everyone dies, religious or not, but how many do you know that are dead for 3 days and rise again only to ascend into heaven through the clouds? The truth of the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ can only be denied by the faithless, hard-hearted, prideful ones who think they are too smart to believe the "impossible" and too tough to need the help of God.

Realise that exclamation points on contentious sentences only make you seem crazy. By the way, he rose through the clouds? To outer space? Is heaven on an asteroid? I'm also tired of the double-think that is saying Jesus "died". Was he physically dead, in which case did his return to life merely mean cardiac resucitation? Or was he brain dead? Religious people seem to think of death as some kind of nap in the dirt, DEATH IS CEASING TO EXIST. Did Jesus cease to exist for three days? If not he didn't really die. How does dying "do stuff", ie washing away sins, couldn't God just waive the fee? As far as people who do not except God being too proud to do so, that makes no sence, how could one be to proud to except aid from a being that installed all the things that one could be proud of, and even the pride itself? Silly. People don't believe for many reasons, shop around on NS and find some legitimate ones.

Easter (Resurrection Sunday) is the celebration of the resurrection of Christ Jesus. Jesus died just as every other prophet of every other religion; Mohammed, Sidharta Gautama, Joseph Smith, Charles Russell, etc. The only difference is, Jesus is the Son of God and He is raised from the dead, claiming victory over death and hell!! Everyone dies, religious or not, but how many do you know that are dead for 3 days and rise again only to ascend into heaven through the clouds?

Let's see...

Osiris (http://www.touregypt.net/Osiriscu.htm)

Mithras (http://www.ceisiwrserith.com/mith/whatmithisnt.htm)

Krishna (http://www.forpeaceofmind.com.au/vol7/regular_features-religion.cfm)

... and I'm sure there are plenty more, but I'm fed up looking.


The truth of the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ can only be denied by the faithless, hard-hearted, prideful ones who think they are too smart to believe the "impossible" and too tough to need the help of God.

Yep, proud, cold-hearted, tough, that's me :D

Jesus is a pretty cool guy and his fashion sense is impecable.-More so than my spelling.

Jesus is a pretty cool guy and his fashion sense is impecable.-More so than my spelling.

You like bearded men in sandals? :eek:

You like bearded men in sandals? :eek:
Isn't be a football player?

HAPPY EASTER TO EVERYONE!

Hope everyone has a good day!

Dont forget about Christ, Jesus The Lord
Don't forget about the trinity of Jesus of Nazareth, Mithras and Horus! Don't ever let it slip your mind for the teensiest second! Not ever! Don't let that happen! We wouldn't want that to happen, would we? Don't forget to worship whatever we dish out! Don't forget to tithe! Don't forget to ...

Isn't be a football player?

Jesus played football? :eek:

José de Jesús Corona, maybe. :confused:

Thank you Lord Jesus for dying for us so that whosoever believe in you shall not perish but have everlasting life.
Lookout! Corny's trying to resurrect the dead like they did in that X-Files episode! :eek:



...we always knew it'd be you...

Whilst I may not believe in Jesus, I think that we should try not to be deliberately disrespectful.

And he was and rose again 3 days later.
Good thing all those first-nom de plumes corroborate all that assumed event real well then, isn't it? :rolleyes:

Whilst I may not believe in Jesus, I think that we should try not to be deliberately disrespectful.
The guy or the legend?

To the Christians, happy Easter. Christ has risen.

To The Pagans, ignore all that guff, and celebrate your goddess' day.

To everyone else who doesn't believe in any of that mumbo-jumbo, HAPPY CHOCOLATE DAY!

To the Christians, happy Easter. Christ has risen.

To The Pagans, ignore all that guff, and celebrate your goddess' day.

To everyone else who doesn't believe in any of that mumbo-jumbo, HAPPY CHOCOLATE DAY!

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(sorry about my awful Animation Shop abilities.)

Actually, if you really understood much about your own passover (if you are claiming to be Jewish) then you should know that the passover feast indeed has many implications and symbolisms pointing to the Jews Messiah. If you really really want to chat about it I'll start listing them all. But really, you should understand your own holiday if you really are saying that the passover does not point to the Jewish Messiah. If you don't believe that Jesus Christ was that Messiah then that is one thing, but to say that the passover doesn't point to the Jewish Messiah is just plain hilarious.

Oh, sure. Point out some things in the passover feast that are messianic. But keep in mind, these need to be messianic from a Jewish context. Christian revisionism doesn't count. So don't give me any BS about the holes in the matzah being a reference to the holes in Jesus' hands, the three matzot being a reference to the trinity, Jesus being the human sacrifice "lamb", don't tell me that hiding the matzot under the cloth and bringing it back out refers to the resurrection, or any other such nonsense that Christians make up about the seder. We don't believe in a trinity, that the messiah is a sin atonement sacrifice, that he will be crucified or tortured, sacrificed, or anything like that.

Of course, we do have things with messianic tones, like the cup of Elijah. I'm just not for Christians rewriting the entire symbolism to be about Jesus. If I did that, I could make any holiday about anything I want. It would be like a Hindu going into church, worshipping, and then reinterpreting the services to be about Krishna.

You disgust me. :o
Jesus not only died for our sins, but it removed all animal sacrifice to! He was the ultimate hippie. :)

:::slaughters goat::::

haha, he failed.

But actually, we know from history that Jesus didn't remove all animal sacrifice. Animal sacrifice continued for near 40 years after the suppossed death of Jesus at the Temple. Even after the Temple was destroyed, it continued to be practiced, and is practiced up until this very day. Just not by Jews, but by Samaritans.

I guess the real question is, if Jesus removed animal sacrifice, why does a Semitic Torah-adherent group (Samaritans) still practice animal sacrifice?

AFAIK, the passover feast commemorates the fact that no jewish firstborn males were killed in the 10th plague. They were "passed over" because of the blood on the doors.

I could be wrong, though, but I'm quite certain I'm not.

You are mostly correct and I stated that part of it in my first post concerning the passover. However, there are some definite Messianic symbols all throughout the Passover feast.

Oh, sure. Point out some things in the passover feast that are messianic. But keep in mind, these need to be messianic from a Jewish context. Christian revisionism doesn't count. So don't give me any BS about the holes in the matzah being a reference to the holes in Jesus' hands, the three matzot being a reference to the trinity, Jesus being the human sacrifice "lamb", don't tell me that hiding the matzot under the cloth and bringing it back out refers to the resurrection, or any other such nonsense that Christians make up about the seder. We don't believe in a trinity, that the messiah is a sin atonement sacrifice, that he will be crucified or tortured, sacrificed, or anything like that.

Of course, we do have things with messianic tones, like the cup of Elijah. I'm just not for Christians rewriting the entire symbolism to be about Jesus. If I did that, I could make any holiday about anything I want. It would be like a Hindu going into church, worshipping, and then reinterpreting the services to be about Krishna.


Actually forget about the name Jesus for a minute and yes, I understand that the Jews don't believe in the trinity so forget about that part. However, just look at your own Messianic prophecies from Genesis to Malachi.

Why isn't hiding the matzot and bringing it back out a sign of the messianic prophecy from Psaml 16:10 and other passages where the Messiah dies and is resurrected? Again, forget about the name Jesus and just consider the Old Testament which predicted that whenever the Jewish Messiah does come, he would indeed be killed and would resurrect.

And come on about the lamb to the slaughter, every Jew I've ever talked to believes that when their Messiah comes it will be just like that. Again, forget about the name Jesus for a minute and just read this part out of your own Prophet Isaiah's book (yes, sorry, English translation so that everyone can read, not in the original Hebrew)...

Isaiah 53:4-7...

4Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

5But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.





I bolded the lamb to the slaughter part for you. I have again talked to many Jews who disagree with everything you have said about the Messiah. They all have actually read the Torah and the prophets and understand that when their Messiah comes he will be "wounded for our transgressions and bruised for our iniquities....by his stripes we are healed". Its not like I'm making this up, it is right in your own Prophet Isaiah's book.


Back to the trinity, I completely understand that the Jews don't believe in that. I also always wondered why when nothing in the OT gave angels such power, that the Jews believe that Yahweh had to consult the angels during creation for their input.

Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.


Every Jew I've ever asked about this verse says that God was asking the angels and/or consulting with them when he made man. Interesting that no where else ever has God ever asked the angels their "opinion" on something. So, if not the angels included in the "us", then who?

Also, interesting that God would say let us make man in our own image but yet if you have ever read any OT description of an angel they look absolutely nothing like a human...so who was God talking to then? hmm...

:::slaughters goat::::

haha, he failed.

But actually, we know from history that Jesus didn't remove all animal sacrifice. Animal sacrifice continued for near 40 years after the suppossed death of Jesus at the Temple. Even after the Temple was destroyed, it continued to be practiced, and is practiced up until this very day. Just not by Jews, but by Samaritans.

I guess the real question is, if Jesus removed animal sacrifice, why does a Semitic Torah-adherent group (Samaritans) still practice animal sacrifice?


"the suppossed death of Jesus at the Temple"...

Wow, first of all even if you never believe that Jesus was the Jewish Messiah at least acknowledge recorded history of a man named Jesus who was born in Bethlehem, raised in Nazereth, who died in Jerusalen by Roman crucifiction. It was recorded by the Romans.

Also, at least if you are going to question the story at least get it right. Crucifictions were not done at the Temple, they were done outside the city completely. Near the Temple is just where most of the trial was done.

Also, about the stopping animal sacrificies. He didn't stop the sacrifices, he stopped the need for the sacrifices. Jews who didn't believe that he was the Messiah still sacrificied for naught like you said, for about 40 years.

Actually forget about the name Jesus for a minute and yes, I understand that the Jews don't believe in the trinity so forget about that part. However, just look at your own Messianic prophecies from Genesis to Malachi.

Why isn't hiding the matzot and bringing it back out a sign of the messianic prophecy from Psaml 16:10 and other passages where the Messiah dies and is resurrected? Again, forget about the name Jesus and just consider the Old Testament which predicted that whenever the Jewish Messiah does come, he would indeed be killed and would resurrect.

There are no messianic prophecies about the messiah dying and being resurrected. Christians went back and reinterpreted non-messianic verses to be about the messiah. There is not a single messianic prophecy in the Jewish scriptures, Tanach (OT) or Talmud, that state such a thing. Christians invented these interpretations.

And come on about the lamb to the slaughter, every Jew I've ever talked to believes that when their Messiah comes it will be just like that. Again, forget about the name Jesus for a minute and just read this part out of your own Prophet Isaiah's book (yes, sorry, English translation so that everyone can read, not in the original Hebrew)...


pffft, I've got to say, I call bullshit. Perhaps the "Jews" you were talking to were in fact "Messianic Jews" - not real Jews according to Halacha. The fact is, not a single thing in Judaism teaches of a slain and resurrected messiah.

Isaiah 53:4-7...

4Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

5But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.


Isaiah 53, although interpreted by some as being about the messiah, is not interpreted by ANY as being about a slain and resurrected messiah. Once again, this was a Christian invention. Most Jews interpret this as being about Israel. The commentary in the Jewish Publicaiton Society Tanach states:

"The servant is probably the nation Israel"
"Israel in exile is described as dead"
"Similarly, in Ezek. Ch 37 Israel in exile is described as dead; the nation is brought back to life when the exile ends."


I bolded the lamb to the slaughter part for you. I have again talked to many Jews who disagree with everything you have said about the Messiah. They all have actually read the Torah and the prophets and understand that when their Messiah comes he will be "wounded for our transgressions and bruised for our iniquities....by his stripes we are healed". Its not like I'm making this up, it is right in your own Prophet Isaiah's book.

Please, you're not fooling anyone. The problem is, this was never a messianic prophecy. It is a Christian proof-text. These very Christian proof-texts are actually refuted in our Talmud, in the way Christians use them. In fact, I give a thorough analysis of this and many other proof-texts on my website. I'll go ahead and post it here for you, and give you the link:

There are two ways to interpret Isaiah 52 & 53. Both exclude Jesus as being the fulfillment of prophecy or scripture. One way is to interpret it as being non-messianic and an allegory about the nation of Israel. There is a strong basis for this because Isaiah does in fact identify the servant in question as being Israel - by name.

The other way is to interpret it as being messianic, in which case we would have to review if Jesus fulfilled all of the criteria listed within. He didn't, as we will see below.

The non-Messianic Route: Isaiah 52 & 53 are About Israel.

Isaiah 52:13 reads, "Indeed, my servant shall prosper, be exalted and raised to great heights."
-Now, this is crucial! Isaiah identifies the servant multiple times as being Israel (See: Who Is the Suffering Servant?). For those who want to go sola scriptura, this should be enough to clearly demonstrate who the servant is.


Isaiah 41:8, "But you, Israel, My servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, seed of Abraham my friend"
Isaiah 44:1 "But hear, now, O Jacob My servant, Israel whom I have chosen!"
Isaiah 44:21 "Remember these things, O Jacob for you, O Israel, are My servant"
Isaiah 49:3 "And he said to me, "You are My servant, Israel in whom I glory.""

- Because Isaiah identifies the servant previously as Israel we know that references to the servant (such as those found in Isaiah 52 & 53) are not references to Jesus.

The Messianic Route: Why Jesus Doesn't Fit.

Isaiah 52:14 states, “So marred was his appearance, unlike that of a man, his form, beyond human semblance”

-Even though Jesus was whipped and crucified, his form was not marred beyond human semblance. He still resembled a human being, and his form was still like that of a man. Jesus doesn't fit.


Isaiah 53:4 states, “Yet it was our sickness that he was bearing, our suffering that he endured, we accounted him plagued, smitten and affected by God.”

Isaiah 53:3 contains, “A man of suffering, familiar with disease.”

Isaiah 53:10 states, “But the Lord chose to crush him by disease”

-Now, these passages tell us that the suffering servant being described was not only familiar with disease, but also afflicted with it, and crushed by it. It may be argued that Jesus was familiar with disease; however, he was not crushed by disease.

And no, disease does not mean sin or any other metaphorical interpretation. The historical context confirms this, early Jewish sources confirm this - it refers to leprosy.
"The Rabbis said: His name is 'the leper scholar,' as it is written, Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him a leper, smitten of God, and afflicted." (Sanh. 98b)
Jesus was no leper. He wasn't smitten, afflicted, plagued, crushed by disease. Jesus doesn't fit.


Isaiah 53:10 also states, “That, if he made himself an offering for guilt, he might see offspring and have long life”

-Jesus made a guilt offering? This is recorded nowhere. He had offspring? The gospels don't mention this, rather Christian tradition teaches that he had no wife or children. He had a long life? He lived to his mid-30s. Jesus just doesn't fit.

Allegory or Literal?

Allegory : the expression by means of symbolic fictional figures and actions of truths or generalizations about human existence; also : an instance (as in a story or painting) of such expression. (Merriam-Webster)

-I know, the next thing Christians will argue is "Wait! Offspring isn't literal! Its a metaphor for followers of Jesus!" or "Disease isn't literal! Its a metaphor for sin!" (Even though ancient Jewish sources say otherwise about their own Jewish scriptures, see above). Lets see why Christian allegorical interpretation of Isaiah 52 and 53 doesn't work:


-To start with, if the chapters are about Israel (as the Isaiah said it was), then it is allegorical by definition. Calling Israel a servant is an allegorical tactic and therefore we know the content surrounding it is going to be allegorical. If it is about a real, literal person (like Jesus), then there is no basis to draw any allegorical interpretation.


-Further, Christians demonstrate a lack of consistency when giving their metaphorical interpretations. It just happens to become metaphor and allegory whenever Jesus doesn't fit! Here is an example:

Isaiah 53:7 "He was maltreated, yet he was submissive, he did not open his mouth; like a sheep being led to slaughter."
Oh yes! This is definitely literal! Jesus fits perfectly, its all about his trial. No metaphor or allegory here.

Isaiah 53:10 also states, “That, if he made himself an offering for guilt, he might see offspring and have long life”
This is metaphor and allegory! This doesn't refer to a guilt offering as outlined in the Torah, but rather his crucifixion as a guilt offering. And it doesn't refer to literal offspring, but rather to spiritual offspring. And his long life refers to his eternal life


-See how that works? With this type of inconsistent and sloppy exegesis, we can make the chapters say anything and be about anything we want. In fact, a Chassidic Rabbi does exactly this by demonstrating how a rooster fulfills messianic prophecy.

When it really all comes down to it the only valid allegorical interpretation is one based on the allegory given by Isaiah - Israel as the servant. Jesus didn't fulfill any prophecies; rather Christians draw correlations between verses and fill in the gaps by crying "metaphor!", "allegory!", and "it doesn't mean what it says!" So no matter which route you take with Isaiah 52 & 53, if it is about Israel or the coming messiah, Jesus is excluded as being a valid option.

http://shemaantimissionary.tripod.com/id3.html

And thats how we view Isaiah 53.

Back to the trinity, I completely understand that the Jews don't believe in that. I also always wondered why when nothing in the OT gave angels such power, that the Jews believe that Yahweh had to consult the angels during creation for their input.

Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Every Jew I've ever asked about this verse says that God was asking the angels and/or consulting with them when he made man. Interesting that no where else ever has God ever asked the angels their "opinion" on something. So, if not the angels included in the "us", then who?

Also, interesting that God would say let us make man in our own image but yet if you have ever read any OT description of an angel they look absolutely nothing like a human...so who was God talking to then? hmm...

Well, you're correct here. The Talmud explictly states that that verse refers to God and the angels. Ironically enough, it also states that pagans would take that very verse in the Torah and use it to either support idolatry or a plurality of gods - exactly what Christians did.

It should be noted that it doesn't have anything to do with a physical likeness. God has no physical image, according to Judaism, and Hosea 4:15. What this refers to is God's nature, and how we are created in the same nature as God and the hosts (as spiritual beings) rather than the nature of the animals (as strictly physical beings).

There is a Midrash about why God consulted the angels, but I forgot it. It had something to do with being like a king in a court, and how good rulers always consult their subjects, even though they know what they are going to do before hand anyway.

And I can think of many times that angels appeared to men where they appeared to be like men. The thing here is that there are different types, you have kerubim, seraphim, and just in general 'melek' or messengers. But examples would be when an angel wrestled with Jacob, with Lot, etc. Although its immaterial, because it really doesn't refer to the way God looks (as God has no image) but that we are made in God's nature.

"the suppossed death of Jesus at the Temple"...

Wow, first of all even if you never believe that Jesus was the Jewish Messiah at least acknowledge recorded history of a man named Jesus who was born in Bethlehem, raised in Nazereth, who died in Jerusalen by Roman crucifiction. It was recorded by the Romans.

It was also recorded by the Romans that such a man never existed. Celsus, a second century pagan philosopher, denied such a thing. I would also note that what was recorded about Jesus was not in fact a history, but of the genre we call "lives." Historians like Tacitus wrote about Jesus, but they also wrote in the same breath about gods like Serapis and that the Emperor Vespasian and Serapis hung out on a daily basis. In short, Roman historians recording Jesus does not mean that such a man actually existed.

The existence of the Gospel Jesus, or the "Jesus of Faith" as we use the term, isn't all that widely accepted anymore. Rather, we look to a "Historical Jesus", i.e. the origin of the Jesus mythos. This does not mean that there was really a man named Jesus, but simply that something existed that the Jesus myth was based upon. Thats how we use the term historical Jesus in history.

Also, at least if you are going to question the story at least get it right. Crucifictions were not done at the Temple, they were done outside the city completely. Near the Temple is just where most of the trial was done.

I think my wording was a bit ambiguous. I didn't state that Jesus was crucified at the Temple, I stated that sacrifices continued at the Temple.


Also, about the stopping animal sacrificies. He didn't stop the sacrifices, he stopped the need for the sacrifices. Jews who didn't believe that he was the Messiah still sacrificied for naught like you said, for about 40 years.


Strangely enough, our Torah actually states that when the messiah comes, the Temple will stand and everyone will offer sacrifices according to the Law. The very idea that Jesus stopped the need for sacrifices is contrary to messainci prophecies, like those in Jeremiah 31, and what the Talmud teaches.

You are mostly correct and I stated that part of it in my first post concerning the passover. However, there are some definite Messianic symbols all throughout the Passover feast.
Perhaps 1 or 2, but nothing relating to hay-zoos.

And come on about the lamb to the slaughter, every Jew I've ever talked to believes that when their Messiah comes it will be just like that. Again, forget about the name Jesus for a minute and just read this part out of your own Prophet Isaiah's book (yes, sorry, English translation so that everyone can read, not in the original Hebrew)...

Isaiah 53:4-7...
The suffering servant is Israel.

Unless, of course, you don't believe the jews, who know Isaiah far better than you do.

"the suppossed death of Jesus at the Temple"...

Wow, first of all even if you never believe that Jesus was the Jewish Messiah at least acknowledge recorded history of a man named Jesus who was born in Bethlehem, raised in Nazereth, who died in Jerusalen by Roman crucifiction. It was recorded by the Romans.
No, it wasn't.

Hm, I just realized something...

Even though fake messianic prophecies are one of my favorite things to talk about, what do the verses McHood posted (Isaiah 53 and Genesis 3) have to do with passover? What happened to pointing out real messianic references in passover?

Lookout! Corny's trying to resurrect the dead like they did in that X-Files episode! :eek:



...we always knew it'd be you...

That is why Jesus died Straughn. Why are you mocking it?

Good thing all those first-nom de plumes corroborate all that assumed event real well then, isn't it? :rolleyes:

Pardone?

That is why Jesus died Straughn. Why are you mocking it?

Lookout! Corny's trying to resurrect the dead like they did in that X-Files episode!


Jesus died for X-Files?

It was also recorded by the Romans that such a man never existed. Celsus, a second century pagan philosopher, denied such a thing.

Now I know why I don't trust people who said that Jesus didn't exist.

I would also note that what was recorded about Jesus was not in fact a history, but of the genre we call "lives." Historians like Tacitus wrote about Jesus, but they also wrote in the same breath about gods like Serapis and that the Emperor Vespasian and Serapis hung out on a daily basis. In short, Roman historians recording Jesus does not mean that such a man actually existed.

:rolleyes:

The existence of the Gospel Jesus, or the "Jesus of Faith" as we use the term, isn't all that widely accepted anymore. Rather, we look to a "Historical Jesus", i.e. the origin of the Jesus mythos. This does not mean that there was really a man named Jesus, but simply that something existed that the Jesus myth was based upon. Thats how we use the term historical Jesus in history.

Maybe you do but I look to Jesus as a real, live, breathing person.

I think my wording was a bit ambiguous. I didn't state that Jesus was crucified at the Temple, I stated that sacrifices continued at the Temple.

Animal sacrifices yes however, I got the samething he did. Its all simple mistakes :)

Strangely enough, our Torah actually states that when the messiah comes, the Temple will stand and everyone will offer sacrifices according to the Law. The very idea that Jesus stopped the need for sacrifices is contrary to messainci prophecies, like those in Jeremiah 31, and what the Talmud teaches.

So you are going to ignore the New Testiment?

No, it wasn't.

Actually it was so show me proof that it wasn't.

Jesus died for X-Files?

:headbang:

So you are going to ignore the New Testiment?

Of course. The New Testament is inconsistent with the Torah, Talmud, and itself. It borrows liturgy, rituals, stories, and practices from pagan mythology. Very little in it is original, and a large portion of it was admitted to be borrowed mythology from paganism by early Christians themselves. There is no reason I would do anything except ignore it, when it comes to the messiah, or any other Jewish concept.

Furthermore, messianic prophecies and that type of thing are found in Jewish scripture. Attempting to use something in the NT to prove something about the NT is illogical, it commits the fallacy of circular reasoning. If something in the NT is to be demonstrated as true, it must be demonstrated to be true on its foundations (history, Torah, etc.).

Actually it was so show me proof that it wasn't.

C, you just asked him to prove a negative.

Actually it was so show me proof that it wasn't.

This is called proving a negative.

1. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim, i.e. McHood. He stated that the Romans recorded this, thus he has to prove it.
2. It is impossible to prove that the Romans didn't record something. There is no big book of "things the Romans didn't record." Thats just absurd.

Did you even think before you wrote this?

Wow, first of all even if you never believe that Jesus was the Jewish Messiah at least acknowledge recorded history of a man named Jesus who was born in Bethlehem, raised in Nazereth, who died in Jerusalen by Roman crucifiction. It was recorded by the Romans.

no it was NOT recorded by the romans. there is not even a record of something close enough that it MIGHT be the crucifiction of jesus.

how can i be so sure?

if there was one, it would be posted in every christian church in the world. if there was one that was remotely possible to be a record of the crucifiction of jesus, it would be used by every christian apologist.

since its not, it cant exist. (or hasnt been found yet which at this point amount to the same thing)

the rest of the story of jesus' life, scant as it is, is obvious fabrication written by people who came from an entirely different biographical tradition than we do. the same kind of tradition that has alexander the great being the child of <i dont remember which god>

Of course. The New Testament is inconsistent with the Torah, Talmud, and itself. It borrows liturgy, rituals, stories, and practices from pagan mythology.

Sorry my young padawan learner but you are 1 sadly mistaken little fellow. I have read both the old and new testiments and the New coincides with the Old. By rejecting the New you have rejected the old. Not surprising really as you do not like Christians.

Very little in it is original, and a large portion of it was admitted to be borrowed mythology from paganism by early Christians themselves. There is no reason I would do anything except ignore it, when it comes to the messiah, or any other Jewish concept.

Just continue to believe it. It is your right. I do not believe what you say and that is my right.

Furthermore, messianic prophecies and that type of thing are found in Jewish scripture. Attempting to use something in the NT to prove something about the NT is illogical, it commits the fallacy of circular reasoning. If something in the NT is to be demonstrated as true, it must be demonstrated to be true on its foundations (history, Torah, etc.).

Again, you are entitled to your opinion. However, when prophacies from the Old Testiment come true in the New Testiment, that speaks volumes in and of itself.

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Again, you are entitled to your opinion. However, when prophacies from the Old Testiment come true in the New Testiment, that speaks volumes in and of itself.
Yeah that someone bothered to read the OT before writing the NT

Just because prophacies from book 1 of a series comes true in book 2 does not mean that the book series is based in reality ... it just means that the author or authors are consistant

Yeah that someone bothered to read the OT before writing the NT

Just because prophacies from book 1 of a series comes true in book 2 does not mean that the book series is based in reality ... it just means that the author or authors are consistant
just because the prophecies from book one "come true" in book 2 doesnt mean that book 2 wasnt written with book 1 in mind.

its a 2 pronged thing, one where there were prophecies and the story is written to cover them and one where passages that werent prophecies at all are redefined as phophecies and, amazingly enough, "came true" if you look at them in the right way.

just because the prophecies from book one "come true" in book 2 doesnt mean that book 2 wasnt written with book 1 in mind.

its a 2 pronged thing, one where there were prophecies and the story is written to cover them and one where passages that werent prophecies at all are redefined as phophecies and, amazingly enough, "came true" if you look at them in the right way.
If I understand what you are saying very true ... it boils down that people see what they want to see

so i see this did turn into a debate.. how? wait.. nevermind.. for the best.

:headbang:
Well, ANSWER the question! :mad:

That is why Jesus died Straughn. Why are you mocking it?
Further, was Judas doing Jesus' bidding or going against him, as the story goes?
Yes, this is obviously related.

Pardone?
Corroboration. And you simply don't have it. :(

You like bearded men in sandals? :eek:
Only the Psuedo-Catholic ones Santa on Holiday and Fidel Castro.

Just came across this thread. It's so sad that the good wishes of some one end up being twisted and resulting in the same 'prove it!' thread.

Are people so insecure in their own point of view that they cannot let some one they do not agree with wish others well? No I'm not a Christian or the follower of any main stream religion, but wish me well during any of your own festivals I will take those wishes in the spirit in which they were given and thank you.

But I suppose unless you can prove, without question, you exist independently of the world created by my brain and are not a subconscious manifestation of subliminal arguments created by myself I shouldn’t listed to a word you say :(

Are people so insecure in their own point of view that they cannot let some one they do not agree with wish others well? No I'm not a Christian or the follower of any main stream religion, but wish me well during any of your own festivals I will take those wishes in the spirit in which they were given and thank you.

"Happy easter" would probably have gotten exactly that response from most.
The "May You Look To Christ In Your Life" however ruined that.

"Happy easter" would probably have gotten exactly that response from most.
The "May You Look To Christ In Your Life" however ruined that.
I see what you are saying but it's still on the touchy side.

I see what you are saying but it's still on the touchy side.
Would you expect anything different in this place?

Would you expect anything different in this place?
Expect no wish yes.
I expect my three year old to stamp her foot and cry, I wish she did not!

"Happy easter" would probably have gotten exactly that response from most.
The "May You Look To Christ In Your Life" however ruined that.
Yup. To me, that statement is like seeing somebody post: "Happy Easter! White Power!"

I appreciate being wished a happy holiday, though.

Yup. To me, that statement is like seeing somebody post: "Happy Easter! White Power!"

Even though Christ was not white :D

Even though Christ was not white :D
Blasphemer. Christ was a proud white American patriot who died for our sins and then came back to life in time to kill Hitler and write the Constitution.

Blasphemer. Christ was a proud white American patriot who died for our sins and then came back to life in time to kill Hitler and write the Constitution.

LOL!

Friday was the Crucifixtion.
Saturday, cremation under glass.
The Ressurection was on Sunday, no correction, make it Monday, cause Mondays when they come to take the trash.
-Firewater.

-Firewater.
Trash is collected on Friday though, silly.

Why do we even celebrate Easter anyway? It's a Pagan festival, covered up by the Roman government, way back when, when the Roman Catholic church wanted to make some money off the peasants!

Even though Christ was not white :D
Of course he wasn't white, he lived in modern day Israel and Palestine and was JEWISH!

Why do we even celebrate Easter anyway? It's a Pagan festival, covered up by the Roman government, way back when, when the Roman Catholic church wanted to make some money off the peasants!
No I think the Greek and Russian orthadox churches recognise it but the dates may differ some what.

-Firewater.
Likey likey!

Blasphemer. Christ was a proud white American patriot who died for our sins and then came back to life in time to kill Hitler and write the Constitution.

It's a little known fact that Jesus and Moses used Uzis and AK-47s to overthrow the Roman Empire.

Of course he wasn't white, he lived in modern day Israel and Palestine and was JEWISH!

Yeah well evidence supports the theory that Jews are Caucasian in that their ancestors came from the Caucasas mountains, same as the ancestors of my ancestors (who are British/Danish/German/Welsh). Whether they want to admit it or not Jews are just as white as anybody... except for maybe the Black Jews... they're probably not white. The only people who are more Caucasian are Georgians and Armenians.

And don't give me the whole "white doesn't mean caucasian" revisionist history crap. OK, now I'm asking to be flamed.

Jesus was white, so was Moses, Mohammad, Aristotle, and Guru Nanak Dev. Siddhartha Gautama is unknown, but he was likely at least somewhat white.

Not that it matters.