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I've really been looking forward to living in a Star Trek-like world, with a global government. I'm beginning to think it's not going to happen in my lifetime. (Talk about the understatement of the year.) Do you guys think it will ever happen, and is it a good idea in the first place? Why or why not? Civilizations on other planets need not exist for the purposes of this discussion.

I've really been looking forward to living in a Star Trek-like world, with a global government. I'm beginning to think it's not going to happen in my lifetime. (Talk about the understatement of the year.) Do you guys think it will ever happen, and is it a good idea in the first place? Why or why not? Civilizations on other planets need not exist for the purposes of this discussion.
Oh yah. Let's bust out the Galaxy-class starships, the replicators, the HOLODECKS, and all that jazzy stuff.

Frankly, I don't know if it could ever be successfully managed. I think good old Gene was a little TOO optimistic about the human condition. I dunno if we could ever evolve to the point as a society where we could have an Earth like you see in Star Trek. I'd love it--if anyone here would, it's me--but I don't think it could happen for a great while, if ever.

*cough*TYRANNY*cough*

Democracy works on a national level. It doesn't work on a global one. What's right for one society isn't necessarily right for another, and majority rule is not a functional or moral decider at that level.

Yah.. no...

I would hate it: I don't think I could take sitting thorugh Mr. Data's oboe concerts.

In any case, Star trek presumes that we are all perfectible and that such a state would be good. I disagree; I think it is our flaws that make us beautiful.

I think a good analogy is the USA. You have 50 states that could for all intents and purposes function as separate countries. They would all be doing their own thing, maybe it would be bad for some and good for others. However, what we have is one government over all of them.....one government that recently has been doing dumb stuff. I would rather not have a world government and not put all my eggs in one basket.

Also, the larger the population, the less realistic are the goals of representational government. How many senators are they going to have to represent 6 billion of us (and growing)?

And that's just one planet. The Federation supposedly represents hundreds of worlds, probably TRILLIONS of sentient beings.

'Course, I suspect each planet runs its own daily business and just sends a senator of sorts to the Federation Council, but meh.

As lovely as it sounds, it's just not realistic.

I'm sure there's information compiled by geeks about how such a government would work...maybe it's run like unified states. And you're probably right; the way people are now, it would never work. But that's assuming we've stopped evolving, which is pretty impossible. Maybe we--as a people and on the individual level--evolve past all this shit?

I'm sure there's information compiled by geeks about how such a government would work...maybe it's run like unified states. And you're probably right; the way people are now, it would never work. But that's assuming we've stopped evolving, which is pretty impossible. Maybe we--as a people and on the individual level--evolve past all this shit?
Oh, I hope so, Illie. I really do. I just think we're not going to manage it anytime within the next millenia, at least. Maybe around the the thirty-fifth century. But certainly not now.

'Course, that's assuming we don't destroy ourselves first. I'm not being cynical here: I'm being realistic. We might. We might not. I hope we don't, though.

Trekkies aside, a global government would reek too much of the UN and socialism for most people to accept such an idea.

I've really been looking forward to living in a Star Trek-like world, with a global government. I'm beginning to think it's not going to happen in my lifetime. (Talk about the understatement of the year.) Do you guys think it will ever happen, and is it a good idea in the first place? Why or why not? Civilizations on other planets need not exist for the purposes of this discussion.

I never really thought that it would happen in my lifetime, and if it did it would be towards the end of it. Remeber- in the star trek timeline it took a nuclear world war, warp drive, and vulcan contact in order fo the humans to get their act together.

And that's just one planet. The Federation supposedly represents hundreds of worlds, probably TRILLIONS of sentient beings.

'Course, I suspect each planet runs its own daily business and just sends a senator of sorts to the Federation Council, but meh.

As lovely as it sounds, it's just not realistic.

You are right about how it works. Basically each planet runs its own stuff and they send a senator to the Federation Council. The Council has a few rules that everyone has to follow. But the government isn't a sort of huge over-bearing body. There's a bigger difference between federation planets than say, US states.

And yes, I am a trekkie, and proud of it.

As I thought. And yes, I'm a Trekkie too. There's nothing wrong with enjoying Star Trek. Unless you enjoy most of Enterprise. Then you're just an idiot.

As I thought. And yes, I'm a Trekkie too. There's nothing wrong with enjoying Star Trek. Unless you enjoy most of Enterprise. Then you're just an idiot.

Yeah, Enterprise sucks.

I'm beginning to think it's not going to happen in my lifetime. (Talk about the understatement of the year.).
Did you really just type that?

As I thought. And yes, I'm a Trekkie too. There's nothing wrong with enjoying Star Trek. Unless you enjoy most of Enterprise. Then you're just an idiot.

I know, it was done wrong before the show even started. The theme song was in no way trekesque.

I know, it was done wrong before the show even started. The theme song was in no way trekesque.
Hey, don't yell at the theme song. I love that song, and it did fit. Or I think it did, anyway.

The concept itself was good. A prequel would have been great...had it been handled well. In the hands of Berman and Braga, though, it was doomed to failure.

See, this is why I wish Roddenbarry had chosen Michael Pillar rather than Berman as the person to whom to pass the torch. Pillar knew Star Trek.

Thing is, Enterprise started to become quite decent in its fourth season. What I find incredibly amusing is that UPN eventually fell apart about six months after they cancelled Enterprise. I'll bet you it's because everything else on there was utter trash.

Of course, with the recent CBS/Paramount breakup--CBS posesses the rights to the T.V. shows and Paramount the movies--we could have a big problem when it comes to new Trek. There is an eleventh movie in the works, intended to feature brand new characters. From the time setting, I'm assuming it's going to be the first in a set of features detailing the Earth/Romulan war.

I think it will happen. There will be candy trees and chocolate rivers. It will be a time when the sun radiates beams of joy and bright smiles onto all of the happy worlds. People will shit cotton candy and it'll rain gold coins.

Trekkies aside, a global government would reek too much of the UN and socialism for most people to accept such an idea.

Hmm, don't like the idea of the UN or socialism? Fair enough. That doesn't mean it couldn't still happen sometime, if everybody likes it by then. And it also doesn't mean that most people think just like you!

Did you really just type that?

What? Why?

Of course, with the recent CBS/Paramount breakup--CBS posesses the rights to the T.V. shows and Paramount the movies--we could have a big problem when it comes to new Trek. There is an eleventh movie in the works, intended to feature brand new characters. From the time setting, I'm assuming it's going to be the first in a set of features detailing the Earth/Romulan war.

Ugh, I can't imagine that sort of thing will recoup the production costs. I love Star Trek, but I really love it for the characters.

Hey, don't yell at the theme song. I love that song, and it did fit. Or I think it did, anyway.

The concept itself was good. A prequel would have been great...had it been handled well. In the hands of Berman and Braga, though, it was doomed to failure.

See, this is why I wish Roddenbarry had chosen Michael Pillar rather than Berman as the person to whom to pass the torch. Pillar knew Star Trek.

Thing is, Enterprise started to become quite decent in its fourth season. What I find incredibly amusing is that UPN eventually fell apart about six months after they cancelled Enterprise. I'll bet you it's because everything else on there was utter trash.



The theme song was okay, it just was almost nothing like other star trek theme songs. I did like alot of fourth season though, that's when I first found out that it existed (Original, Animated, and Next Generation are all older than me). Its just that the first season or two just turned alot of people off. You are right about UPN falling apart though, but that's what you get when you cancel Star Trek.

Ugh, I can't imagine that sort of thing will recoup the production costs. I love Star Trek, but I really love it for the characters.
Yah. With any luck, Berman and Braga will keep their hands off it. They do seem to think that everyone's tired of Star Trek, and they are too. No, you idiots, we're tired of your feeble attempts at Star Trek.

Still, it's something that has yet to be covered, and I'm going to reserve judgement till I see it. Hopefully it is just the first in a SET of movies, rather than just one movie attempting to cover the entire conflict. I'll lose all hope if they do that.

Thuace: That it was--the themesong, I mean. Me, I grew up on the Next Generation. I'm a couple months older than the show, as a matter of fact. =/

I never really thought that it would happen in my lifetime, and if it did it would be towards the end of it. Remeber- in the star trek timeline it took a nuclear world war, warp drive, and vulcan contact in order fo the humans to get their act together.

Yeah...yeah. *sigh*

Yah. With any luck, Berman and Braga will keep their hands off it. They do seem to think that everyone's tired of Star Trek, and they are too. No, you idiots, we're tired of your feeble attempts at Star Trek.

Still, it's something that has yet to be covered, and I'm going to reserve judgement till I see it. Hopefully it is just the first in a SET of movies, rather than just one movie attempting to cover the entire conflict. I'll lose all hope if they do that.

Thuace: That it was--the themesong, I mean. Me, I grew up on the Next Generation. I'm a couple months older than the show, as a matter of fact. =/

My Sci-fi birth was with Seaquest. It was a short birth, needless to say. But it was one hell of a birth!

Ah, SeaQuest. Far too early for its time. Perhaps it would be worth reviving, much like Battlestar Galactica was.

Hmm, don't like the idea of the UN or socialism? Fair enough. That doesn't mean it couldn't still happen sometime, if everybody likes it by then. And it also doesn't mean that most people think just like you!
The world will be dead by that time.

The world will be dead by that time.

The world? Will be dead? ...hell, you're probably right. If we don't get on the environmental ball, that is!

The world? Will be dead? ...hell, you're probably right. If we don't get on the environmental ball, that is!
In that case!





























Yeah, we're pretty much fucked.

The world? Will be dead? ...hell, you're probably right. If we don't get on the environmental ball, that is!
Hardly. The planet has sustained so much, from volcanic activity, to astoroidal impacts. I seriously doubt we could destroy it completely. Make the climate somewhat intolorable for human life, perhaps, but certainly not destroy it.

Hardly. The planet has sustained so much, from volcanic activity, to astoroidal impacts. I seriously doubt we could destroy it completely. Make the climate somewhat intolorable for human life, perhaps, but certainly not destroy it.

Dooms Day Device.

I'd love a unified world!

All we'd have to do is get past the issues of race, religion, nationalism, economy, class, and every other bureaucratic, greedy and bigoted fuck that exists on this planet...*sigh*

It may just be easier to institute Anarchy...

Hardly. The planet has sustained so much, from volcanic activity, to astoroidal impacts. I seriously doubt we could destroy it completely. Make the climate somewhat intolorable for human life, perhaps, but certainly not destroy it.

Yeah, we'll be gone or beyond recognition. Do you see why I'd prefer to believe in a future something like Star Trek? It's really as close as I get to having a religious belief.

I'd love a unified world!

All we'd have to do is get past the issues of race, religion, nationalism, economy, class, and every other bureaucratic, greedy and bigoted fuck that exists on this planet...*sigh*

It may just be easier to institute Anarchy...

That's why I'm banking on evolution. And whatever happened to that cover story Time did, where they had that face of the modern person that's all mixed? Did anybody else see that?

Ah, SeaQuest. Far too early for its time. Perhaps it would be worth reviving, much like Battlestar Galactica was.
i was in love with seaquest when it first aired. and i discovered it to be unbelievably godawful when the Space channel aired it again last year.

it should never be revived.

Yeah, we'll be gone or beyond recognition. Do you see why I'd prefer to believe in a future something like Star Trek? It's really as close as I get to having a religious belief.
Of course. I do the same thing. I do, however, try to be realistic as well.

And Time did not go anywhere NEAR as indepth on that issue as Scientific American. Yes, the human race is continuing to evolve. Why wouldn't we?

KDude: A revival would make it a damned sight better than the original. I again point to the new Battlestar Galactica.

To get back on Topic:

The "global government" idea might not work now, but as in Star Trek, after a thrid World War, in which the superpowers obliderate their opposition with nuclear weapons, as well as destroy their own environment, it may in fact work. I mean, the world population will most likely be reduced from 8 billion to maybe 1 billion or 2 billion: India and China's governments manage well....I think....

Also, the Federation is similar to the UN of our time: It has power, but it must enforce it. Without enforcement, it is worthless.....similar to the UN itself

the next world war will be fought over fresh water. the himalayas are melting in asia, the sierra nevada is melting in north america, and even siberia is dumping fresh water into the Arctic.
i think large swathes of the planet will become rapidly unlivable, and what will remain will be unified under a single, capitalist and corporate government.

actually, it will be very seaquest-y.

Trekkies aside, a global government would reek too much of the UN and socialism for most people to accept such an idea.


Look how ineffectual the UN is and tell me how this would work.

i was in love with seaquest when it first aired. and i discovered it to be unbelievably godawful when the Space channel aired it again last year.

it should never be revived.

If they stick to season one format then it should come back or season three. If they can keep bringing back Star Trek, why not Seaquest?

If they stick to season one format then it should come back or season three. If they can keep bringing back Star Trek, why not Seaquest?
At this point, Star Trek is a cultural phenomenon more than just a television series. SeaQuest does not have that. That's not to say it can't/won't be revived. It'll just be tough.

Oh yah. Let's bust out the Galaxy-class starships, the replicators, the HOLODECKS, and all that jazzy stuff.
If all that is invented, I will NEVER have to leave my room, since I'll be too busy banging a holographic replica of my ideal mate. :D

EDIT: But seriously, it'll never happen, just like my dreams & fantasies will never come true. We're all better off extinct. :(

If all that is invented, I will NEVER have to leave my room, since I'll be too busy banging a holographic replica of my ideal mate. :D
You and everyone else. *shakes head*

As I thought. And yes, I'm a Trekkie too. There's nothing wrong with enjoying Star Trek. Unless you enjoy most of Enterprise. Then you're just an idiot.

The idea had such potential. The implementation sucked harder than a hoover. The folks who brought us Captain Janeway should never have been allowed near the Star Trek franchise again.

You and everyone else. *shakes head*

Hey, I would be recreating famous battles. Plus, banging hot chicks. But, famous battles come first.....maybe second for the first few months.

At this point, Star Trek is a cultural phenomenon more than just a television series. SeaQuest does not have that. That's not to say it can't/won't be revived. It'll just be tough.

Seaquest Season One has had amazing DVD sales. It has one hell of a fanbase.

Hey, I would be recreating famous battles. Plus, banging hot chicks. But, famous battles come first.....maybe second for the first few months.

Why not both in quick succession? You know... like fight the Battle of Thermopylae and then bang the Queen of Sparta.

Hey, I would be recreating famous battles. Plus, banging hot chicks. But, famous battles come first.....maybe second for the first few months.
If I had a holodeck, I'd use it for all sorts of stuff. Sex? No. Even sex with a holographic partner would be cheating on my girlfriend, as far as I'm concerned.

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Ya know, unless she gave the go-ahead, though I could never see that happening.


The idea had such potential. The implementation sucked harder than a hoover. The folks who brought us Captain Janeway should never have been allowed near the Star Trek franchise again.
Michael Pillar, the same dude responsible for the awesomeness that was Deep Space Nine had a hand in that, you should know. Like with Enterprise, it was a good idea with great potential, but just was not implimented very well.

As for SeaQuest, if it does have that kind of fanbase, I could see someone picking it up eventually. Might take a few years yet, though.

Why not both in quick succession? You know... like fight the Battle of Thermopylae and then bang the Queen of Sparta.

But I would be dead?

i was in love with seaquest when it first aired. and i discovered it to be unbelievably godawful when the Space channel aired it again last year.

it should never be revived.

Sea Quest was pretty bad, but BSG was screamingly awful. A lot of people consider the BSG remake some of the best skiffy on TV. I can't bring myself to watch anything called Battlestar Galactica again, so I don't know. Still, if the new BSG is any good, I'm sure they could do the same for Sea Quest... or Enterprise, or Voyager, or Plan 9 From Outer Space...

But I would be dead?

No. You're army of 300 power-armored, PHASER-armed Spartans drove off the malign hordes of the Persians. :p

No. You're army of 300 power-armored, PHASER-armed Spartans drove off the malign hordes of the Persians. :p

That wouldn't be any fun. I would rather recreate the Battle of Trafalgar or sex with Angelina Jolie. Perhaps during the long run-up to the battle I could finish the sex and then fight?

No. You're army of 300 power-armored, PHASER-armed Spartans drove off the malign hordes of the Persians. :p
Ehehehehehe. I can just see that battle now. We'd be all singing the glories of Sparta right this second.

Goderich_N: How about fighting off ninjas while HAVING sex!

As long as we're all stuck on this one planet, it won't happen, and probably shouldn't. There needs to be someplace for the malcontents to go.

There was a book by Bruce Sterling, I think. Where the world was this big happy near-utopia, but Africa was left as a kind of Mad Max hell hole. It gave a certain kind of people a place where they could play soldier-of-fortune games and build their little empires and stay out of everybody elses hair. Seems kind of hard on the natives though.

Ehehehehehe. I can just see that battle now. We'd be all singing the glories of Sparta right this second.

Goderich_N: How about fighting off ninjas while HAVING sex!

You can't do both. Besides, sex wouldn't be the main draw for me to the holodeck. Also, it is disturbing talking about it with NS posters for some reason....

Well, it was just a thought.

Eh, I'm not sure what I'd recreate first. Maybe some Harry Potter-esque simulations...hey, it's magic and fun, so why not?

Well, it was just a thought.

Eh, I'm not sure what I'd recreate first. Maybe some Harry Potter-esque simulations...hey, it's magic and fun, so why not?

Would Emma Watson be there?

Would Emma Watson be there?
That would be Hermione, right? Err, well, I'd probably base the appearance of all the characters on the movie versions, since that's the closest I'd come to their "real" appearance. Except for Dumbledore. He's based on the actor from the first two movies. Screw Michael Gambon or whatever his name is.

Why?

That would be Hermione, right? Err, well, I'd probably base the appearance of all the characters on the movie versions, since that's the closest I'd come to their "real" appearance. Except for Dumbledore. He's based on the actor from the first two movies. Screw Michael Gambon or whatever his name is.

Why?

Oh, you mean a regular simulation....not a....right. Well....ok then.

Oh, you mean a regular simulation....not a....right. Well....ok then.
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*slap*

Thank you VERY much for accusing me of being a paedophile. http://digital-breakdown.com/img/sweatdrop3mc.gif

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*slap*

Thank you VERY much for accusing me of being a paedophile. http://digital-breakdown.com/img/sweatdrop3mc.gif

It would be legal for me, for another few months.

It would be legal for me, for another few months.
Oh really.

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Well this is an uncomfortable subject.

Oh really.

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Well this is an uncomfortable subject.

Not to me, for another few months at least. See has "grown" hasn't she? Sorry if that made you uncomfortable.

And Time did not go anywhere NEAR as indepth on that issue as Scientific American. Yes, the human race is continuing to evolve. Why wouldn't we?

I never saw that. Does anybody know where I can find it online?

To get back on Topic:

The "global government" idea might not work now, but as in Star Trek, after a thrid World War, in which the superpowers obliderate their opposition with nuclear weapons, as well as destroy their own environment, it may in fact work. I mean, the world population will most likely be reduced from 8 billion to maybe 1 billion or 2 billion: India and China's governments manage well....I think....

Also, the Federation is similar to the UN of our time: It has power, but it must enforce it. Without enforcement, it is worthless.....similar to the UN itself

What would UN enforcement even look like? A UN army of...clones? In white plastic suits?!

the next world war will be fought over fresh water. the himalayas are melting in asia, the sierra nevada is melting in north america, and even siberia is dumping fresh water into the Arctic.
i think large swathes of the planet will become rapidly unlivable, and what will remain will be unified under a single, capitalist and corporate government.

actually, it will be very seaquest-y.

That is an interesting hypothesis...that there will be a global government because there won't be much livable land and what's left will just have one government. Maybe that's what is needed for people to start waking up about the environment, eh?

As long as we're all stuck on this one planet, it won't happen, and probably shouldn't. There needs to be someplace for the malcontents to go.

There was a book by Bruce Sterling, I think. Where the world was this big happy near-utopia, but Africa was left as a kind of Mad Max hell hole. It gave a certain kind of people a place where they could play soldier-of-fortune games and build their little empires and stay out of everybody elses hair. Seems kind of hard on the natives though.

Neat! I'm thinking that is a definite possibility, but it will actually be the US that is full of homicidal, money-grubbing crazies and the rest will be a utopia. We're well on our way.

Not to me, for another few months at least. See has "grown" hasn't she? Sorry if that made you uncomfortable.

Ah, and the spamming begins.

Illie, you could address it all in one post, ya know. http://digital-breakdown.com/img/sweatdrop3mc.gif

Anyway, I don't know where you could find the article online. I read it in my copy of the magazine. I THINK it was the June 2005 issue, but I may be mistaken.

As for U.N. enforcement...I dunno. Probably a group of soldiers in camos with U.N. patches on their arms or something.

What would UN enforcement even look like? A UN army of...clones? In white plastic suits?!

More likely a bunch of guys in black suits with red insignia in the following pattern:

X
II

:p

More likely a bunch of guys in black suits with red insignia in the following pattern:

X
II

:p
No, no, wait, how about a group of people with odd weapons in a bunch of neat hoodies that call themselves Organization XIII?

No, no, wait, how about a group of people with odd weapons in a bunch of neat hoodies that call themselves Organization XIII?

The Majestic Twelve are not amused.

They have instructed me to tell you to cease and desist, lest you find yourself deemed a terrorist threat and arrested in the next sweeps of UNATCO forces.

;)

Illie, you could address it all in one post, ya know. http://digital-breakdown.com/img/sweatdrop3mc.gif



Could I, now? Then I'd have to comment on other shitty threads to get my post count up. You know, all the ones condemning homosexuality, acceptance of illegal aliens, abortion, etc. Arguing with people who will never, EVER change their minds about terrible things is not my bag, baby.

The Majestic Twelve are not amused.

They have instructed me to tell you to cease and desist, lest you find yourself deemed a terrorist threat and arrested in the next sweeps of UNATCO forces.

;)

Good to say something remember something from his Deus Ex experiences.

Ah, and the spamming begins.

Do explain how that is spam.

Back on topic, I don't think a global governement will, or even can, ever become a reality. If it were democratic, just imaginge what the themes would be in elections - no real subject could apply to the entire world, so it would be just along the lines of "I will not legalize gay marriages", or other kind of populist s**t. And if it weren't democratic: hey, I'd be the first to join the rebellion.

Additionally, there is the subject of centralisation. A strong central governement would simply not work. Imagine: a group of people from around the world, having spent their lives on a political career in some big Earth Capital City, trying to decide about the matters of the entire world. No deal. Hey, they even have problems with this kind of thing in Finland, and it has only five million citizens.
And a decentralized (does it take a z?), federal-sort of governement would be a nightmare. None of the provinces would be willing to give any authority to the federation to enforce decisions upon others. After all, they could be next up on the line. And, well, if anyone has followed decision-making in the EU, imagine that multiplied by about twelve. It just wouldn't work.

Well, it was just a thought.

Eh, I'm not sure what I'd recreate first. Maybe some Harry Potter-esque simulations...hey, it's magic and fun, so why not?


i would anticipate final fantasy and dynasty warriors instalments for the holodeck, if it were ever to exist. mabey romance of the three kingdoms [it's up to it's tenth version] as well, thoug that would be Rediculously complex to do in such a maner.


on the subject of world governments...

*grins* only if it's a second Empire...

British, that is, with a few minor tweeks to the system. there is an AAR on paradox's forums that actually details how this would/could have worked, had it been implimented just prior to ww2.

think of a weird hybrid between the commonwelth, the empire as it was, the US senate, the UN, and the british parliment.... then make it WORK... and you've got a rough idea.

heh... an't going to happen though. *thinks* well, it might, but it would be the last government the world ever saw. and not because it was so wonderful that no one was willing to replace it with something better, either.

and i remember sequest.... it wasn't as brilliant as it some think, but it wasn't as bad as some think either.

though i'm still trying to remember where the line "[expression of disbeleaf] he just fliped a subfighter above the serface... no one can do that!" or something to that effect comes from.

i don't THINK it was seaquest [might have been though] but it was something similar. i was quite young when i saw it, and it's kinda stuck in my head.

i actually Liked enterprise... for the most part. though it didn't really fit with the other startrek stuff so well, what we got of it [i suspect not every season that was produced] taken on it's own was quite good.

umm... startrek no longer lines up with reality though. the eugenics wars are already ment to have happend.. and haven't. hehe.

the new battle star galactica bugs me. i mean, sure the old one's ...well..... old... and all, but the new one just doesn't sit right. it's got an entirely different feel to it.

note how i went off topic, then on topic, then WAY off topic? i found it amuseing.

The one thing that stands in the way of a Star-Trek like global government is intellectual property laws. As long as we have a society that can control what people can experience and what thoughts they are allowed to have, then you are always going to have people being oppressed by everyone that has everything already. The thing that was thought to have made the Star-Trek lifestyle possible was the invention of replicator technology, because that meant material posessions had no meaning, since anyone could replicate anything they want. Looking at our own world where we have the technology to replicate any information with complete fidelity, the corporations are having a tizzy and seek to control who replicates what, when, and how much money they have to pay for it.

In the Star Trek world, self-actualization was(will be?) the only real wealth and the "poor" had no one to blame but themselves.

The Majestic Twelve are not amused.

They have instructed me to tell you to cease and desist, lest you find yourself deemed a terrorist threat and arrested in the next sweeps of UNATCO forces.

;)

On the upnote, Walton Simons changed FEMA and repaired all the bureaucratic and reputational damage inflicted by Michael "Atta Boy" Brown. :D

On the upnote, Walton Simons changed FEMA and repaired all the bureaucratic and reputational damage inflicted by Michael "Atta Boy" Brown. :D

Well, you'll note that in the introduction, Simons took over FEMA "after the hurricane". :eek:

Funny, that....