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Age of consent the age of consent shouled we rase it to 21I'm happy with it being 14 where I live, thank you very much.

I'm happy with it being 14 where I live, thank you very much.

It's 14 in Germany? I thought it was 16.

It's 14 in Germany? I thought it was 16.For alcohol. Not for sex.

And I'm happy with it being 16 where I live. It might be even better at 15. ;)

For alcohol. Not for sex.

HOLY SHIT, You only have to be 14 to drink over there!?

Age of consent the age of consent shouled we rase it to 21

no, 21 is WAY to high. I admit that 14 is really low, so it should be put at 16 or 17.

Age of consent the age of consent shouled we rase it to 21
I thenk yer ould eenaf wen u can spel it shouled bee the good age lemeet.

HOLY SHIT, You only have to be 14 to drink over there!?

I thought there was no drinking age in Germany. :confused:

HOLY SHIT, You only have to be 14 to drink over there!?No. 16 for alcohol. You can drink earlier, but that's only under supervision of your parents. At 14 you legally stop being a child and become a youth, meaning you can now be charged with crimes and have sex. Now if a kid under 14 has sex, there's not much that can be done against that, since the kid can't be prosecuted as it's younger than 14.

No. 16 for alcohol. You can drink earlier, but that's only under supervision of your parents. At 14 you legally stop being a child and become a youth, meaning you can now be charged with crimes and have sex. Now if a kid under 14 has sex, there's not much that can be done against that, since the kid can't be prosecuted as it's younger than 14.

You know, that actually sounds pretty good. I'm not used to seeing such socially-libertarian laws for such things.

No. 16 for alcohol. You can drink earlier, but that's only under supervision of your parents. At 14 you legally stop being a child and become a youth, meaning you can now be charged with crimes and have sex. Now if a kid under 14 has sex, there's not much that can be done against that, since the kid can't be prosecuted as it's younger than 14.

Can't the child's parents be prosecuted?

Age of consent is nonsense !


Case closed !

I thought there was no drinking age in Germany. :confused:The perhaps only thing that isn't regulated over here is cannibalism, and that's because no one thought anyone would engage in it (and boy were they wrong...).

Can't the child's parents be prosecuted?Maybe they could, but no one would do something like that.

The perhaps only thing that isn't regulated over here is cannibalism, and that's because no one thought anyone would engage in it (and boy were they wrong...).

I heard about that. He posted details on an internet forum, did he not?

Age of consent is nonsense !


Case closed !

So, a 50 year old should be able to stick his penis up a 2 year old's anus?

The perhaps only thing that isn't regulated over here is cannibalism, and that's because no one thought anyone would engage in it (and boy were they wrong...).

Wasn't there a cannibal German guy who posted ads on the internet asking for suicidal people to feed themselves to him?

Wasn't there a cannibal German guy who posted ads on the internet asking for suicidal people to feed themselves to him?And it put prosecuters in a tight fix because cannibalism isn't illegal in Germany.

And it put prosecuters in a tight fix because cannibalism isn't illegal in Germany.

oh wow...but murder/assistant suicide is, right? Where's the cannibal guy now?

And it put prosecuters in a tight fix because cannibalism isn't illegal in Germany.

Surely that would make it a clear cut «Nicht schuldig!» (lol - I think that's right)

14 for sex sounds good.

oh wow...but murder/assistant suicide is, right? Where's the cannibal guy now?In jail for "killing on demand" (Töten auf Verlangen), fighting against the guys that made or are making a movie of his case.

14 for sex sounds good.
It's 13 in Spain. :eek:

So, a 50 year old should be able to stick his penis up a 2 year old's anus?

If the previous discusion on AOC hadn't been deleted you might have been aware of why my reply is as such.


Let's put it like this, I'm of the opinion that what you are mentioning here has more to do with anti rape laws than with AOC laws, and I'm all pro anti-rape laws (and I vote for them being more severe).

Or do you really think no one will go and rape a child because of the AOC ?
Do you think raping a woman is okay because she's old enough according to the AOC ? (I wish not).

14 for sex sounds good.People over 18 are only allowed to engage in a sexual relationship with someone between 14 and 18 if they're not "abusing their sexual inexperience". So it's technically legal, but that would be for a court to decide in individual cases.

However I should also add that we have laws against relationships between supervisors and people entrusted to them. This means that a student-teacher relationship would be illegal here even if the student was over 18.

are we talking about sex?

the age of consent is the age at which we can reasonably assume that if the person consents, they knew what they were consenting to. not the age at which its a good idea to consent.

i think it should be 14. the age when most kids start highschool. .

Let's put it like this, I'm of the opinion that what you are mentioning here has more to do with anti rape laws than with AOC laws, and I'm all pro anti-rape laws (and I vote for them being more severe).

Or do you really think no one will go and rape a child because of the AOC ?
Do you think raping a woman is okay because she's old enough according to the AOC ? (I wish not).

I thought you might say that, after I posted. All right then, imagine a three-year-old, whose step father has manipulated her into thinking that it's normal for men to have sex with young girls, consents to have sex with her step father. Would that be acceptable?

I do not approve of rape.

I thenk yer ould eenaf wen u can spel it shouled bee the good age lemeet.
That was mean!
:fluffle:

I thought you might say that, after I posted. All right then, imagine a three-year-old, whose step father has manipulated her into thinking that it's normal for men to have sex with young girls, consents to have sex with her step father. Would that be acceptable?

I do not approve of rape.

Manipulation is not good, free choice above all !

It should be standardized worldwide, but it should NOT be 21. The drinking age shouldn't even be 21. Consent for sex should be somewhere around 14, because that's usually long after all the sex ed stuff has been covered in school, and at 14 you are old enough to start making decisions for yourself. You might regret the decision later, but you should be able to make it.

It should be standardized worldwide, but it should NOT be 21. The drinking age shouldn't even be 21. Consent for sex should be somewhere around 14, because that's usually long after all the sex ed stuff has been covered in school, and at 14 you are old enough to start making decisions for yourself. You might regret the decision later, but you should be able to make it.
its too bad it cant be standardized world wide.

14 is a good age to begin legalizing the consumption of alcohol too. i would have it be legal in ones own home and in public with ones parents for those between the age of 14 and 18. at 18 full adult rights to consumption. 21 is nutz and turns otherwise law abiding citizens into scofflaws.

its too bad it cant be standardized world wide.

14 is a good age to begin legalizing the consumption of alcohol too. i would have it be legal in ones own home and in public with ones parents for those between the age of 14 and 18. at 18 full adult rights to consumption. 21 is nutz and turns otherwise law abiding citizens into scofflaws.
An extremely sensible idea. While we're at it, we can deal with voting as well. Personally, I think it's fine to vote at 18, but we should make it so that you have to actively go and register yourself in person to vote, rather than just have a document sent to your house which you sign and send back. This would also increase voter turnout. Either that or have a political intelligence test to determine whether or not you're suitable to vote.

An extremely sensible idea. While we're at it, we can deal with voting as well. Personally, I think it's fine to vote at 18, but we should make it so that you have to actively go and register yourself in person to vote, rather than just have a document sent to your house which you sign and send back. This would also increase voter turnout. Either that or have a political intelligence test to determine whether or not you're suitable to vote.You can't "just have it sent to your house" you know...

An extremely sensible idea. While we're at it, we can deal with voting as well. Personally, I think it's fine to vote at 18, but we should make it so that you have to actively go and register yourself in person to vote, rather than just have a document sent to your house which you sign and send back. This would also increase voter turnout. Either that or have a political intelligence test to determine whether or not you're suitable to vote.
id like it if the voting age was lowered to 14 but only if those between the age of 14 and 18 could prove that they are knowledgeable enough to make a responsible vote. this could get people used to actually thinking about things before they vote.

You can't "just have it sent to your house" you know...
I know it's not that simple, but it's the basic premise. If you had to actively turn up in person at your local council office to put yourself on the electoral register, then you'd be more inclined to vote when the election comes round.

I'm curious to know your opinions: Is a lot of the over-drinking that is seen in sororities/fraternities/dorms/residences in US etc... caused by the high age of consent?

I'm curious to know your opinions: Is a lot of the over-drinking that is seen in sororities/fraternities/dorms/residences in US etc... caused by the high age of consent?
Sometimes, but most of the time people just have no self-control or do not know such a thing as alcohol poisoning exists. I took an organic chemistry course in Finland, and we spent a week explaining what alcohols are, which ones we can drink, discussed how much people can drink, the best way to drink, and other tips on how to enjoy drinking beer and avoiding death. Now the sexual education speech, that was interesting. More countries should be attempting to increase brithrates.

I'm curious to know your opinions: Is a lot of the over-drinking that is seen in sororities/fraternities/dorms/residences in US etc... caused by the high age of consent?
I think so. The high drinking age leads parents to be reluctant to introduce their children to alcohol and how to drink safely when they're younger, which means children don't learn the negative effects of alcohol, so they don't know when enough is enough. They keep drinking and drinking until they pass out, and they have only fond memories of it because of beer goggles, so they do it again the next night. Even one, or more, of their friends dying of alcohol poisoning rarely seems to change their ways much, from stories I've heard.

Age of consent for what? Yeah, 21 is probably a good idea.

I would say 15, with anything below that being determined on a case-by-case basis.

Manipulation is not good, free choice above all !The point of the age of consent is that anyone below it isn't supposed to be capable of making free choices.

21 is too high. I'd set it at 16.

Age of consent the age of consent shouled we rase it to 21
care to say why?

i think the age of consent for sex (which i assume we're talking about) actually depends a lot on the individual. some 16 year olds will be more mature and sensible (not to mention safer) towards the whole deal than a lot of 21 year olds (*cough*chavs*cough*)
as a result, 16 strikes me as just fine where it is.

drinking-wise (if we're talking about that) then 18 is also just fine. 21 is too late as you kinda need to get the whole binge drinking thing out of your system. you may as well do that earlier on in life... but 16 would be too early. again its all relative and there isn't a hard & fast rule or guide as to how mature or responsible people will be at certain ages...

I disagree, the age of consent should be equal to the value of a stable loving relationship.

I disagree, the age of consent should be equal to the value of a stable loving relationship.

What if you just want a casual shag?

I reckon it should be at fourteen, that way less time gets wasted by the police. A lot of people are also mature enough to consent at fourteen and don't want to break the law, so have to wait for a couple of years. This is rubbish.

And people drink alcohol at parties or whatever from about fourteen, too. I don't see why shops can't sell alcohol to people at the age of fourteen, and just not let people into pubs until they're eighteen. Shops can always refuse to sell things to people, so if the teenagers looked utterly pissed, they could always say no.

What if you just want a casual shag?
That word should only be reserved for pullovers and other rug type things.

That proposal doesn't equate, please explain.

Not that a lot of people pay much attention to the age of consent/ legal drinking age anyway...
Nonetheless, I think that the age of consent should be 16 or 17, and that drinking should be legal at any age if supervised by parents and with weak/ watered down alcohol, to take away the sense of it being "forbidden".

I thought there was no drinking age in Germany. :confused:
No. thats Poland.

That word should only be reserved for pullovers and other rug type things.

That proposal doesn't equate, please explain.

Well, I would have said f*ck, but I decided shag was equally understandable, and less offensive.

I thenk yer ould eenaf wen u can spel it shouled bee the good age lemeet.
oh, the ironing.

You should be able to vote at 16, drink from 5 up (which is the case in the UK) and sex at 14 in Germany? *Goes to Germany*

"age of consent" refers to having sex? 21 is waaaay too late for many reasons. If you have the capacity to vote and contract at 18, you have the capacity to enter a sexual relationship. If you move the age of consent to 21, then no one under the age of 21 could get married which would seem to create more "underage" sexual activity. I am assuming you are advocating against this.

Also, it is my understanding that the 21 drinking age is based upon brain development. Apparently, that does not occur until you are 20 - 21. I have also heard (my da is a doc) that because of the continuing development of the brain at 18, the underage drinker is much more likely to develop a chemical dependency on alcohol. In case you're wondering, he told me all of this long after I was 21.

"age of consent" refers to having sex? 21 is waaaay too late for many reasons. If you have the capacity to vote and contract at 18, you have the capacity to enter a sexual relationship. If you move the age of consent to 21, then no one under the age of 21 could get married which would seem to create more "underage" sexual activity. I am assuming you are advocating against this.

Also, it is my understanding that the 21 drinking age is based upon brain development. Apparently, that does not occur until you are 20 - 21. I have also heard (my da is a doc) that because of the continuing development of the brain at 18, the underage drinker is much more likely to develop a chemical dependency on alcohol. In case you're wondering, he told me all of this long after I was 21.

You can actually get married at sixteen in the UK, with your parents' permission in England, and without it in Scotland (no idea about Wales). Hence many young English lovers (that sounds melodramatic, sorry!) go to Grokna Green, a town near the Scottish border, to get married to people their parents don't like.

As you can imagine, this makes Christmas a nightmare, as seeing your in-laws is near-inevitable and an unpleasant experience if they don't actually like you.

Can't the child's parents be prosecuted?

For having sex???
Are you crazy?
Unless it's rape, it should be legal for everyone.

For having sex???
Are you crazy?
Unless it's rape, it should be legal for everyone.

Yes, for breaking the law before attaining the age of criminal responsibility.

drinking-wise (if we're talking about that) then 18 is also just fine. 21 is too late as you kinda need to get the whole binge drinking thing out of your system. you may as well do that earlier on in life... but 16 would be too early. again its all relative and there isn't a hard & fast rule or guide as to how mature or responsible people will be at certain ages...I disagree. I think you should know your limits in drinking before you're legally allowed to drive a car.

I disagree. I think you should know your limits in drinking before you're legally allowed to drive a car.

I have a better idea - why not do "maturity tests" or whatever every month at school. Everyone gets a card of some sort, and if they're declared mature enough, then they get some crazy pattern or something lasered in, to show that they are allowed to buy alcohol/have sex/smoke/drive.

That way, instead of being as it is now (when my girlfriend was 15 I couldn't have sex with her, the next day - huzzah! It's all legal!) it could be done sensibly.

Some people go through puberty earlier than others, that's a fact of life.

I have a better idea - why not do "maturity tests" or whatever every month at school. Everyone gets a card of some sort, and if they're declared mature enough, then they get some crazy pattern or something lasered in, to show that they are allowed to buy alcohol/have sex/smoke/drive.

That way, instead of being as it is now (when my girlfriend was 15 I couldn't have sex with her, the next day - huzzah! It's all legal!) it could be done sensibly.

Some people go through puberty earlier than others, that's a fact of life.

Different age limits could lead to feelings of inadequacy for some people.

Different age limits could lead to feelings of inadequacy for some people.

Hmm that's quite true, but the current laws are utterly ridiculous.

Different age limits could lead to feelings of inadequacy for some people.

So ? The same is true for different salaries, different number of people whistling when you walk by etc. Western society is based on valuing accomplishments of individuals, and the USA in particular seems to reject the "communist" notion of equality.

Feel less than your peers ? Get better. Can't ? Well.. then you ARE less. Find something else to beat them at.

You can't "just have it sent to your house" you know...


Actually, a few days after I turned 18 the forms arrived in my mailbox. I live in the US though.

Here's my theory on this. If the person gives consent, no matter how idiotic they may be, the consent should be considered legal. Statutory rape is a completely idiotic idea.

I think it should be lowered to 13 or 14. :fluffle:

I agree, "statutory rape" is ridiculous.

*moves to germany* :fluffle: :D

Sure, then i'd feel less bad. :D

I think it should be lowered to 13 or 14. :fluffle:

I agree, "statutory rape" is ridiculous.

*moves to germany* :fluffle: :D

Dude.

*slaps you with a salmon*

Dude.

*slaps you with a salmon*

I didn't want to comment.

I didn't want to comment.

I can slap him again with the same salmon, if you want.

I can slap him again with the same salmon, if you want.
I'd prefer it if you used a minnow.

Dude.

*slaps you with a salmon*
What? :confused:

What? :confused:

21 year old guys and 13 year old girls = bad.

21 year old guys and 13 year old girls = bad.
Prude. :p

And 21 year old guys and 41 year old women is also bad?

I'd set a universal age for consent for sex and voting at 14, because most people are mature enough to make their own decisions at that age. Of course, I'm 14, but that didn't affect my decision at all. I'd set the drinking age to 18, because by then your body will be developed enough not to be damaged as much by drinking. However, I think that ALL student-teacher relationships should be banned regardless of any circumstances because it would make it impossible for a fair class to be conducted. The teacher would definitely make things easier for the student he/she is having sex with.

Prude. :p

And 21 year old guys and 41 year old women is also bad?

No, that's fine, because in that instance, both parties are emotionally (and physically) developed enough to be able to consent to a relationship of that age disparity.

I heard about that. He posted details on an internet forum, did he not?

Armin Meiwes, I love that guy.

Ever heard the song Mein Teil by Rammstein, or the new movie about him?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armin_Meiwes

http://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/stuff/serialkillers/meiwes.htm

Can't the child's parents be prosecuted?
ok wow u can be 14 there its 18 heare have u done it at 14 i was a lot older my 1st time what do pepole think the age shouled be for sex

Armin Meiwes, I love that guy.

Ever heard the song Mein Teil by Rammstein, or the new movie about him?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armin_Meiwes

http://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/stuff/serialkillers/meiwes.htm
Heh...I saw Rammstein just over a year ago when they were touring Reise Reise, and for that song they put Flake in a large cauldron to start off with, and towards the end of the song he climbed out and was chased around the stage by Till, who was dressed as a butcher, complete with knives. :D

ok wow u can be 14 there its 18 heare have u done it at 14 i was a lot older my 1st time what do pepole think the age shouled be for sex

I think people who can't spell 'you' and 'here' should be banned from nationstates.

Heh...I saw Rammstein just over a year ago when they were touring Reise Reise, and for that song they put Flake in a large cauldron to start off with, and towards the end of the song he climbed out and was chased around the stage by Till, who was dressed as a butcher, complete with knives. :D

I saw that concert on google video.

ok wow u can be 14 there its 18 heare have u done it at 14 i was a lot older my 1st time what do pepole think the age shouled be for sex

Hard to say, it really depends on how you see sex and its role.

Hard to say, it really depends on how you see sex and its role.

Sex is for pleasure :).

I think people who can't spell 'you' and 'here' should be banned from nationstates.

That is a bit too harsh. I do believe however such criteria should be included in the test that determines if one is allowed to reproduce. A test that should be implemented soon.

That is a bit too harsh. I do believe however such criteria should be included in the test that determines if one is allowed to reproduce. A test that should be implemented soon.

Oh, and how do you propose this ridiculous scheme be implemented? Oh yes, I envisage this; we separate postpubescent men and women from one another for life and if a woman without permission becomes pregnant, she shall be forced to have an abortion. Oh, great plan. :rolleyes:

Oh, and how do you propose this ridiculous scheme be implemented? Oh yes, I envisage this; we separate postpubescent men and women from one another for life and if a woman without permission becomes pregnant, she shall be forced to have an abortion. Oh, great plan. :rolleyes:
I believe it was sarcasm.

But I might be wrong, you never know on NSG. :p

Oh, and how do you propose this ridiculous scheme be implemented? Oh yes, I envisage this; we separate postpubescent men and women from one another for life and if a woman without permission becomes pregnant, she shall be forced to have an abortion. Oh, great plan. :rolleyes:
Ever read HG Wells' book The Time Machine? If so, you should be familiar with the Eloi and the Morlocks. That's basically the future of the human race - one part obsessed with beauty and having nothing to do with learning or physical work, while the other is 'ugly' and rejected by the 'superior' Eloi. Seriously, something needs to be done, or we're going to be fucked in a few thousand years.

Sure, then i'd feel less bad. :D
Say what???*Reports to Childrens Services...*

I would say 15, with anything below that being determined on a case-by-case basis.

The point of the age of consent is that anyone below it isn't supposed to be capable of making free choices.

Ah, so you have to agree than that it's nonsense. Yes ?
Or weren't you able to make free choices when you were young ?!

What this world really needs is for rape and sexual abuse laws to be more severe, and better help and support for the victims.