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Iran issues stark military warning to United States
AFP - 1 hour, 15 minutes ago

TEHRAN, Iran - Iran said it could defeat any American military action over its controversial nuclear drive, in one of the Islamic regime's boldest challenges yet to the United States. "You can start a war but it won't be you who finishes it," said General Yahya Rahim Safavi, the head of the Revolutionary Guards and among the regime's most powerful figures. "The Americans know better than anyone that their troops in the region and in Iraq are vulnerable. I would advise them not to commit such a strategic error," he told reporters on the sidelines of a pro-Palestinian conference in Tehran.

That's funny. It's like a frog threatening an alligator.

That's funny. It's like a frog threatening an alligator.
A poison arrow frog that is! :p

That's funny. It's like a frog threatening an alligator.

Ya that is seriously asking for it. Its like the frog croaking on the alli's face.

If they ask for it... I say invade.

To be fair, he has a good point.

Iran issues stark military warning to United States
AFP - 1 hour, 15 minutes ago

TEHRAN, Iran - Iran said it could defeat any American military action over its controversial nuclear drive, in one of the Islamic regime's boldest challenges yet to the United States. "You can start a war but it won't be you who finishes it," said General Yahya Rahim Safavi, the head of the Revolutionary Guards and among the regime's most powerful figures. "The Americans know better than anyone that their troops in the region and in Iraq are vulnerable. I would advise them not to commit such a strategic error," he told reporters on the sidelines of a pro-Palestinian conference in Tehran.

They can't be serious!? If we (Coalition) declear war they will cross the Boarder's and then what, they launch a few Hundred Revolutionary Guards men with Samtex strapped to their chests just so they might take out a very few of our troops. They are now beyond Insane!

To be fair, he has a good point.

Me?

That's funny. It's like a frog threatening an alligator.

Might turn out like David and the Goliath.

Might turn out like David and the Goliath.

In Iran's dreams. They've got absolutely no chance at all. This is suicidal. Iran... well, I question the intelligence, nay, sanity, of their government.

Me?
General Yahya Rahim Safavi

Might turn out like David and the Goliath.
When Goliath can drop bombs with near pinpoint accuracy from stealthy aircraft David's sling may as well be a G-string.

Never said it would, just said it might.

Iranian dudes wearing G-strings??? *Pulls out white hankie from pocket and waves frantically* They win!!!

General Yahya Rahim Safavi

Nah. The U.S. could easily defeat the Iranian military but I think we would have some serious problems if we tried to hold the country.

Not great reading if you ask me

http://www.oxfordresearchgroup.org.uk/publications/briefings/IranConsequences.pdf

and if you think the UK is joining theres no way, not considering Iraq

It's chest thumping and martyr-baiting. If the US does take the bait and bomb or invade, then Ahmedinejad can cry Crusades and Islamicide and it becomes a real nightmare in the Middle East.

If we were half as evil as they say we are we could have nuked the whole damn middle east by now.

But even conventinally we could kick their ass. On the ground insurgency and hit and run may work but we still have the best airforce in the world. We won't use ground troops though, because there's not enough public support, their all in Iraq, and it's a stupid idea. We should just bomb the refinaries and be done with it.

Not great reading if you ask me

http://www.oxfordresearchgroup.org.uk/publications/briefings/IranConsequences.pdf

and if you think the UK is joining theres no way, not considering Iraq

I think Tony has other Plans, Besides we are already Involved Iran has active Agents working in southern iraq in the Areas of Basra an Um Qusar, also if Turkey gets draged into the conflict a good Majority of Europe will get involved as Turkey is going to join the EU in a few years.

Nah. The U.S. could easily defeat the Iranian military but I think we would have some serious problems if we tried to hold the country.

I agree with him. The American military would flatten the Iranian forces like a steam roller, but it'd be way too troublesome to hold the country. You know, I've noticed that a lot of these Middle Eastern countries are too cocky for their own good when it comes to dealing with the US. Sure, I don't like the US anymore than they do, but come on, asking to get the snot beaten out of you by the world's only Super Power with stupid boasts like that? Thats just idiotic.

They can't be serious!? If we (Coalition) declear war they will cross the Boarder's and then what, they launch a few Hundred Revolutionary Guards men with Samtex strapped to their chests just so they might take out a very few of our troops. They are now beyond Insane!
What Coalition?

I agree with him. The American military would flatten the Iranian forces like a steam roller, but it'd be way too troublesome to hold the country. You know, I've noticed that a lot of these Middle Eastern countries are too cocky for their own good when it comes to dealing with the US. Sure, I don't like the US anymore than they do, but come on, asking to get the snot beaten out of you by the world's only Super Power with stupid boasts like that? Thats just idiotic.
No, it's brilliant. It lets you use the USA as a scapegoat for all the problems your nation faces and deflect blame from yourself.

So we crush the Iranian military and all their nuclear facilities. So what? We can't take the mullahs out of power and we can't take the oil wells with us. The mullahs remain in charge, their people follow them blindly because they can argue the US is the cause of all their suffering, and they continue to reap the wealth of the oil.

What Coalition?
US, UK and Australia(just to name a few!)

I agree with him. The American military would flatten the Iranian forces like a steam roller, but it'd be way too troublesome to hold the country. You know, I've noticed that a lot of these Middle Eastern countries are too cocky for their own good when it comes to dealing with the US. Sure, I don't like the US anymore than they do, but come on, asking to get the snot beaten out of you by the world's only Super Power with stupid boasts like that? Thats just idiotic.

I'm sure that they are just scoring points for the people at home. Got to have the Iranian citizens feel all patriotic of what would be their victory, instead of allowing them to think rationally, which is that their military would be crushed. Perhaps things aren't too stable inside Iran and the government needs a foreign distraction to take away the peoples attention from domestic problems? Such a ridiculous bluff has to have a reason.

It's chest thumping and martyr-baiting. If the US does take the bait and bomb or invade, then Ahmedinejad can cry Crusades and Islamicide and it becomes a real nightmare in the Middle East.

Thats true...very true...

Hm...the Middle East is just boiling over with trouble... and the US isn't really any better (if you look at the history of their foreign activities).

I wonder whats best for the world?

I think Tony has other Plans, Besides we are already Involved Iran has active Agents working in southern iraq in the Areas of Basra an Um Qusar, also if Turkey gets draged into the conflict a good Majority of Europe will get involved as Turkey is going to join the EU in a few years.
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Thats true...very true...

Hm...the Middle East is just boiling over with trouble... and the US isn't really any better (if you look at the history of their foreign activities).

I wonder whats best for the world?
Nuclear winter. Just a dead world covered in a shroud of pristine white snow. Bodies laid out like the toy puppets of some childish god, broken and abandoned. No conflict, no suffering, no thought. Just eternal peace.

I'm sure that they are just scoring points for the people at home. Got to have the Iranian citizens feel all patriotic of what would be their victory, instead of allowing them to think rationally, which is that their military would be crushed. Perhaps things aren't too stable inside Iran and the government needs a foreign distraction to take away the peoples attention from domestic problems? Such a ridiculous bluff has to have a reason.


Yeah, you might be right there. That has been an effective strategy in the past - uniting the people against a "foreign threat" that is.

Nuclear winter. Just a dead world covered in a shroud of pristine white snow. Bodies laid out like the toy puppets of some childish god, broken and abandoned. No conflict, no suffering, no thought. Just eternal peace.
Necrophilian Paradise!

Yeah, you might be right there. That has been an effective strategy in the past - uniting the people against a "foreign threat" that is.
That's why we have this.

http://i2.tinypic.com/vgoaxv.jpg

Iran isn't like Iraq or Afghanistan...they won't fall easily, if at all. They also have pride in their history.

Nuclear winter. Just a dead world covered in a shroud of pristine white snow. Bodies laid out like the toy puppets of some childish god, broken and abandoned. No conflict, no suffering, no thought. Just eternal peace.

Very poetic, thought provoking, and...amusing! Also, quite possibly true!

Nuclear winter. Just a dead world covered in a shroud of pristine white snow. Bodies laid out like the toy puppets of some childish god, broken and abandoned. No conflict, no suffering, no thought. Just eternal peace.

Yeah...ever since things started getting really nutty in the Middle East, I've had this concern that things might escalate to that point. Even if it doesn't happen...things are certainly going to get worse over there before they get better.

Iran isn't like Iraq or Afghanistan...they won't fall easily, if at all. They also have pride in their history.
So did Afghanistan. In fact, when Pakistani representatives urged the taliban to turn over Al Qaeda the response was "Your problem is you've never won a war. We've never lost one". The US military was designed to destroy the Soviet war machine. It will run roughshod over the military of Iran in a war.

Yeah...ever since things started getting really nutty in the Middle East, I've had this concern that things might escalate to that point. Even if it doesn't happen...things are certainly going to get worse over there before they get better.
Why be concerned? It sounds quite peaceful to me.

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Nuclear winter. Just a dead world covered in a shroud of pristine white snow. Bodies laid out like the toy puppets of some childish god, broken and abandoned. No conflict, no suffering, no thought. Just eternal peace.

Kinda like Canada. Except this would be beneficial to Canada, one less contender in the oil market.

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:D

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Sorry to point that out and I'm a terrible speller when I want to be. (No big grinning smile so this will have to do.) :)
I believe that is a deliberate spelling mistake, for effect...

That's why we have this.

http://i2.tinypic.com/vgoaxv.jpg

LOL!! I needed that. :D

Kinda like Canada. Except this would be beneficial to Canada, one less contender in the oil market.

Nuclear winter would be beneficial to Canada?

Iran isn't like Iraq or Afghanistan...they won't fall easily, if at all. They also have pride in their history.

Persians have always attacked in great numbers thats how they have always attacked same as it was in the times of Ancient Greece and they did it in the Iraq\Iran war, thats why Saddam used Sarin nerve gas to great effect.

Nuclear winter would be beneficial to Canada?
They already have the heavy winter clothing and snow shoes.

No, it's brilliant. It lets you use the USA as a scapegoat for all the problems your nation faces and deflect blame from yourself.

So we crush the Iranian military and all their nuclear facilities. So what? We can't take the mullahs out of power and we can't take the oil wells with us. The mullahs remain in charge, their people follow them blindly because they can argue the US is the cause of all their suffering, and they continue to reap the wealth of the oil.


Thats true...but still, a lot of innocent people would die. Sure the country would be united and enflamed...but their country would be in ruins.

If they were going to do that, they'd need to channel that fighting spirit into reconstruction and advancement, rather that simply letting it stew and slowly "climbing out of the pit" so-to-speak.

Nuclear winter would be beneficial to Canada?

If it was in Iran it would be. Those guys are used to the hot sun and beaches. They have no idea how to pump oil in the cold. We Canadians do.

I believe that is a deliberate spelling mistake, for effect...
That it is.

I also have a confession, I too am a terrible speller. Yes, the Grammar Police can not spell!

But thats not what I'm a stickler for anyways. I'm a stickler for posts that so blatently and annoyingly disobey the rules of grammar that I need to do something about it. Thats all.

Thats true...but still, a lot of innocent people would die. Sure the country would be united and enflamed...but their country would be in ruins.

If they were going to do that, they'd need to channel that fighting spirit into reconstruction and advancement, rather that simply letting it stew and slowly "climbing out of the pit" so-to-speak.

Fanatics aren't exactly what you call rational. If the Iranians think they can hurt the U.S. forces even a little they may think it worth it. Or perhaps they think the Arab world will rise up and march to their aid. :rolleyes:

If it was in Iran it would be. Those guys are used to the hot sun and beaches. They have no idea how to pump oil in the cold. We Canadians do.
Nuclear winter is a global thing. Imagine a couple of years of no sunlight and temperatures plunging so low that antarctica today would look like the tropics. All vegetation dies out. All animals who depend on vegetation for food die out next. All predators and scanvengers die after that. Humans hang on for a bit eating canned and freeze-dried food. Then that runs out and the few remaining humans are left to cannibalize each other on a nearly lifeless planet.

Nuclear winter is a global thing. Imagine a couple of years of no sunlight and temperatures plunging so low that antarctica today would look like the tropics. All vegetation dies out. All animals who depend on vegetation for food die out next. All predators and scanvengers die after that. Humans hang on for a bit eating canned and freeze-dried food. Then that runs out and the few remaining humans are left to cannibalize each other on a nearly lifeless planet.
I saw a dumb 80's movie about that. They drove around in a big truck and fought other people in big dumb trucks. Some days it was really cold, somedays the radiation leaked through and made everyone inside sweat. I don't remember much, but I do remember that it was really, really dumb. And a bad representation of what would really happen.


We all know 'End of Ze World' is the perfect representation of nuclear winter.

Do you get rain during Nuclear Winter?

:D

Why be concerned? It sounds quite peaceful to me.

Well, after it was all said and done, it would be peaceful yes... but could things not be peaceful in a different way? Its unlikely that any other alternative besides war will be chosen, but even still...does that nessecarily mean we have to fight? I accept the fact that war sometimes cannot be avoided, even if the war is for the wrong reasons. I also accept that war is sometimes the only good option we have, such as with World War II...but I think we should think about if this war could be avoided, and if it is reasonable to do so.

Fanatics aren't exactly what you call rational. If the Iranians think they can hurt the U.S. forces even a little they may think it worth it. Or perhaps they think the Arab world will rise up and march to their aid. :rolleyes:

Yeah...your right there.

It seems I exaggerated the effects of a nuclear winter.

In 1983, R.P. Turco, O.B. Toon, T.P. Ackerman, J.B. Pollack, and Carl Sagan (referred to as TTAPS) published a paper entitled "Global Atmospheric Consequences of Nuclear War" which is the foundation that the nuclear winter theory is based on.

The theory states that nuclear explosions will set off firestorms in the cities and surrounding forest areas. The small particles of soot are carried high into the atmosphere. The smoke will block the sun's light for weeks or months. The land temperatures would fall below freezing.

This combination of reduced temperatures and reduced light levels would have catastrophic ecological consequences. Average light levels would be below the minimum required for photosynthesis during the first 30-40 days after the explosion and most fresh water would be frozen. The TTAPS study concluded: "...the possibility of the extinction of Homo Sapiens cannot be excluded." This effect is similar to what may have killed the dinosaurs.


There's also an animation on the site. http://www.atomicarchive.com/Movies/Movie6.shtml


Anyway, too bad. I really wanted nuclear winter to be more devastating.

Iran issues stark military warning to United States
AFP - 1 hour, 15 minutes ago

TEHRAN, Iran - Iran said it could defeat any American military action over its controversial nuclear drive, in one of the Islamic regime's boldest challenges yet to the United States. "You can start a war but it won't be you who finishes it," said General Yahya Rahim Safavi, the head of the Revolutionary Guards and among the regime's most powerful figures. "The Americans know better than anyone that their troops in the region and in Iraq are vulnerable. I would advise them not to commit such a strategic error," he told reporters on the sidelines of a pro-Palestinian conference in Tehran.
Considering how thinly stretched the US military is, and the infamous tenacity and zealotry of Iran's military, they might be right on this one. The best situation the US could hope for would be a speedy repeat of Vietnam.

It seems I exaggerated the effects of a nuclear winter.



There's also an animation on the site. http://www.atomicarchive.com/Movies/Movie6.shtml


Anyway, too bad. I really wanted nuclear winter to be more devastating.

Hmmmm, not as exciting as I hoped either. Those firestorms may just as well warm Canada up.:rolleyes:

It seems I exaggerated the effects of a nuclear winter.



There's also an animation on the site. http://www.atomicarchive.com/Movies/Movie6.shtml


Anyway, too bad. I really wanted nuclear winter to be more devastating.

I dunno, it seems more frightening to me. Its sort of a peaceful (well, after the explosions at least), gradual slide into death. Those left alive would have more time to suffer before they die.

Although this affect assumes there are surrounding forest areas, of such, I believe, the Middle East hasn't got much of.

It'd really be just blowing glass around....yeah, I can see why you guys are disappointed :(

Although this affect assumes there are surrounding forest areas, of such, I believe, the Middle East hasn't got much of.

It'd really be just blowing glass around....yeah, I can see why you guys are disappointed :(
They've got cities and oil wells. Anyway, I was hoping for a global nuclear war.

It'd be a lot more cool if things turned out to be like Fallout 2...man, that game was awesome.

They've got cities and oil wells. Anyway, I was hoping for a global nuclear war.

oh, okay. Yeah, that would be pretty nutty. Then things could be like Fallout...man...I'd be all up for that.

oh, okay. Yeah, that would be pretty nutty. Then things could be like Fallout...man...I'd be all up for that.
Just as long as it's not like Fallout Boy. That would suck because I'm not emo.

Considering how thinly stretched the US military is, and the infamous tenacity and zealotry of Iran's military, they might be right on this one. The best situation the US could hope for would be a speedy repeat of Vietnam.

Now you mention it the US does have a manpower shortage with all the recent Rogue States coming to life for example:

US Troops needed in South Korea to make sure North doesn't go South and possible strike's against nuclear facilities in the North.

Iraq and Afghanistan, to fight the War on Terror (Largest Commitment)

Germany, logistics bases for US Forces in Middle-East (Could scale down on troops to send to another theater)

UK, USAF Bases (Could bring these troops home or send to another theater)

Spain, Rota USN Base (Could rebase these Marines, Sailors and ships in Doha)


Here's a question why do the US maintain so many Bases in Europe after the Cold war is over?

Now you mention it the US does have a manpower shortage with all the recent Rogue States coming to life for example:

US Troops needed in South Korea to make sure North doesn't go South and possible strike's against nuclear facilities in the North.

Iraq and Afghanistan, to fight the War on Terror (Largest Commitment)

Germany, logistics bases for US Forces in Middle-East (Could scale down on troops to send to another theater)

UK, USAF Bases (Could bring these troops home or send to another theater)

Spain, Rota USN Base (Could rebase these Marines, Sailors and ships in Doha)


Here's a question why do the US maintain so many Bases in Europe after the Cold war is over?

It's conveniently close to the world's largest oil supplies.

Fallout Boy.

Can't stand listen to him :(

Can't stand listen to him :(
So we're in agreement then. We shall authorize the use of nuclear weapons against Fallout Boy.

Where I used to live we got A-10's and F-15's fly over each week, but most of all we got RAF Tornado's flying right over our roofs. One guy in a Jaguar almost hit next doors chimdy, Then we had to put up with Eurofighters, Very loud!

So we're in agreement then. We shall authorize the use of nuclear weapons against Fallout Boy.

Well no not unless he's doing a gig, if he isn't a Barret Sniper Rifle aimed at his head should do the job. Do you know how much Nukes cost these days! :D

In Iran's dreams. They've got absolutely no chance at all. This is suicidal. Iran... well, I question the intelligence, nay, sanity, of their government.
Against a US with no commitments in Iraq, sure. Against the US now? They have a chance. Especially seeing as they have some of the world's most advanced anti-ship missiles, and likely some damn good SAMs too. Stealth bombers aren't much use with a big hole in the wing...

And even if they had the world's worst SAMs, bombing does not win a war - even in the days of mass civilian bombing it didn't, and you sure as hell can't do that now. To win, you'll need troops. If it comes down to a straight fight, they might have a long shot. Then, of course, you have the occupation. Which the US will likely lose, unless they get hundreds of thousands more soldiers.

Here's a question why do the US maintain so many Bases in Europe after the Cold war is over?
They actually have an ongoing programme to move many of these bases to places like Eastern Europe and central Asia; you guessed it, close to the Middle East.

Can't stand listen to him :(

Ah. Thought we were talking about this Fallout Boy.

http://www.die-simpsons.de/subs/milhouse/bilder/69.gif

Against a US with no commitments in Iraq, sure. Against the US now? They have a chance. Especially seeing as they have some of the world's most advanced anti-ship missiles, and likely some damn good SAMs too. Stealth bombers aren't much use with a big hole in the wing...

And even if they had the world's worst SAMs, bombing does not win a war - even in the days of mass civilian bombing it didn't, and you sure as hell can't do that now. To win, you'll need troops. If it comes down to a straight fight, they might have a long shot. Then, of course, you have the occupation. Which the US will likely lose, unless they get hundreds of thousands more soldiers.

Well, hmm... you may be right...

But there's ither countries too. UK, Austrailia, France, Canada...

Well, hmm... you may be right...

But there's ither countries too. UK, Austrailia, France, Canada...
Who are highly unlikely to support another war - France didn't even support the last one!

Well, the Iranians are right...the US certainly doesn't need Iran to turn up the heat in Iraq. Remember Al-Sadr last time? He's gonna do that again, and this time he'll have a lot more support.

They also have their nuclear sites fairly well protected (and they might have a few secret ones as well) with fairly advanced anti-air missiles.

They can hit the vital shipping of oil through Hormuz. With those new flying boats and the underwater missiles, the escort would have to be more than the US can probably spare.

The Iranian military is motivated, better trained and fighting not out of fear of a man, but for their country. They won't give up like the Iraqis did. Plus, the Iranians have demonstrated that they can think outside the square, and will have paid attention to all the things that went wrong for the US Military in recent years.

And finally, the Iranians have the Shahab 3B, which can evade the Patriot.

Add to that that no one, not even the British, has so far indicated that they would support a military action, and that the US Administration isn't interested in another war either.

If Iran actually attacks, they will change their minds.

We could just leave Iraq and take out Iran. The Iraqis want us out, the American people want them out, win-win. Although I have absolutely no idea why the Iraqis want troops out of their country when it's on the brink of civil war, but their loss.

If Iran actually attacks, they will change their minds.
Well, Iran won't be casting the first stone in this.

Although I have absolutely no idea why the Iraqis want troops out of their country when it's on the brink of civil war, but their loss.
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/2003_08_01_riverbendblog_archive.html
Read on from there.

If Iran actually attacks, they will change their minds.
Why would Iran attack? What would it benefit them? Attack, and everyone hates them. Be attacked, and everyone hates their attackers...