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New Russian Missiles to Be Unrivalled for Next 15-20 Years — Expert

MosNews


New Russian missiles will easily be able to penetrate any prospective missile shield and will remain unrivalled for the next 15-20 years, the head of Russia’s top missile design institute has said.

Yuri Solomonov, the head of the Heat Technology Institute, the top Russian missile-design center, quoted by AP, said the Topol-M and Bulava ballistic missiles would form the core of the nation’s nuclear forces until 2040 and allow Russia to maintain nuclear parity with the U.S..

Each Bulava missile is equipped with six nuclear warheads, and Solomonov said Russia would easily be able to maintain at least 2,000 nuclear warheads by 2011. “By 2011, 2016 and even more so by 2020 the number of warheads will be no fewer than 2,000,” he said.

“The Russian people can sleep calmly through 2040,” Solomonov said when asked to comment on allegations that a slow pace of replacement of Russia’s Soviet-built nuclear arsenals with new strategic weapons systems was eroding the nation’s nuclear deterrent capability.

He said Russia would soon unveil specific plans to adapt the Bulava missile being developed for Russian nuclear submarines for use with land-based strategic missile forces as well.


Ok...does that not scare anyone else here in America? I thought the whole nuclear race was over...but they are still building? umm no good!

http://www.mosnews.com/news/2006/04/14/supermissiles.shtml




Ok...does that not scare anyone else here in America? I thought the whole nuclear race was over...but they are still building? umm no good!
Doesn't worry me a bit. Russia isn't a crazy fundamentalist nation.

Doesn't worry me a bit. Russia isn't a crazy fundamentalist nation.

To be honest, 'run by the mafia' is not a great deal more comforting.

As long as the US wants to wave it's nuclear-tipped dick, other countries will compete.

To be honest, 'run by the mafia' is not a great deal more comforting.

As long as the US wants to wave it's nuclear-tipped dick, other countries will compete.
And as long as other countries wave theirs, America will compete.

Doesn't worry me a bit. Russia isn't a crazy fundamentalist nation.


No but they had and still have contact with some fundamnetalist groups.

To be honest, 'run by the mafia' is not a great deal more comforting.

As long as the US wants to wave it's nuclear-tipped dick, other countries will compete.
There is no such thing as the Mafia. Oh, you mean the Russian Mafia? Carry on then.

Last I looked Russia had borders with CHINA and IRAN....The US has borders with Mexico and CANADA....I think the RUSSIANS need more and better missles . I doubt if the Russians think the US is a threat . I think they look elsewhere for their demons....they look at us when they want money or want to buy shit .

Last I looked Russia had borders with CHINA and IRAN....The US has borders with Mexico and CANADA....I think the RUSSIANS need more and better missles . I doubt if the Russians think the US is a threat . I think they look elsewhere for their demons....they look at us when they want money or want to buy shit .
Thanks for beating me to it, but yeah. Not to mention they have a much worse problem with islamists than we do. They have a full fledged insurgency going on.

Russia and America are buddy buddy now, it doesn't hurt to be prepared, but they are closer to massive pissy China and annoying Iran. China is bigger threat to Russia and the USA then they are to each other.

Last I looked Russia had borders with CHINA and IRAN....The US has borders with Mexico and CANADA....I think the RUSSIANS need more and better missles . I doubt if the Russians think the US is a threat . I think they look elsewhere for their demons....they look at us when they want money or want to buy shit .

Iran does not share a border with Russia.

And as long as other countries wave theirs, America will compete.

True.

And DCD - I meant the Russian Mafia. Thought it would be reasonably obvious from context...

Well done Russia; put the USA in its place.

Well done Russia; put the USA in its place.
In complete control of the entire world?

Well done Russia; put the USA in its place.

Yea, I don't think the USA cares. Well, they might if Putin doesn't step down in 2008.

america is run by fear, if it isnt the cold war its an annoying islamist state who is trying to protect itself from that twat bush

in my opinion let them have nuclear power and if i had my way i would take it off america because they cant be trusted with it

Yea, I don't think the USA cares. Well, they might if Putin doesn't step down in 2008.
You speak for America, I take it...

america is run by fear, if it isnt the cold war its an annoying islamist state who is trying to protect itself from that twat bush

in my opinion let them have nuclear power and if i had my way i would take it off america because they cant be trusted with it

Be careful what you wish for.

In complete control of the entire world?
Nah, licking Russia's arse.

You speak for America, I take it...

No, I'm giving my opinion, "Comrade".

Nah, licking Russia's arse.

Yep, because Russia is really one hell of a country right now. With all that freedom of the press, how can't you love it?

Yep, because Russia is really one hell of a country right now. With all that freedom of the press, how can't you love it?
Not to mention a powerhouse of industrial might with a burgeoning economy, near full employment...

Oh, we're talking about Russia? Nevermind.

Not to mention a powerhouse of industrial might with a burgeoning economy, near full employment...

Oh, we're talking about Russia? Nevermind.

We each have different standards on how to judge a nation.

We each have different standards on how to judge a nation.
I was agreeing with you. Russia is a shithole right now by pretty much any standard.

Not to mention a powerhouse of industrial might with a burgeoning economy, near full employment...

Oh, we're talking about Russia? Nevermind.

Just remember that they've got a fairly large percentage of resources that the world depends upon. Come ten years' time, the rest of the world will be on its knees over oil. Russia will be fine. (Luckily, I'm a Brit, and we can sustain our own demand if it came to it, rather than selling our oil off)

Iran does not share a border with Russia.
They don't?

http://www.ic.arizona.edu/~mongolia/Assets/asia_pol.jpg
...

Oh. Guess they don't. Looks like...well, I can't tell what countries those are that are in the way--I want to say Jordan and Syria but that's probably not right--but there they are.

That said, I must agree that they are seeking defense against neighbors that are somewhat more hostile than they are, as opposed to the U.S., which has no such fear. The worst we've got from a border neighbor is an illegal immigrant situation.

I was agreeing with you. Russia is a shithole right now by pretty much any standard.

Sorry about that, my glasses must need to be cleaned again.

Iran does not share a border with Russia.
Maybe last time he looked it was. :D

Turkmenistan, Afghanistan border Uzbekistan and Tajikistan (which borders China) and those two border Kazajhstan and Kyrgyzptan and Kazajhstan borders Russia. :)

Maybe last time he looked it was. :D
ROFL. Old fake maps? :D

Turkmenistan, Afghanistan border Uzbekistan and Tajikistan (which borders China) and those two border Kazajhstan and Kyrgyzptan and Kazajhstan borders Russia. :)
Oh, righto. But I was actually pointing over at those tiny countries, on the far left side of the map, about halfway down. Those were what I thought was Syria and Jordan.

ROFL. Old fake maps? :D
Of course!

The Soviet Union shared a border, I beleive. Many of those x-stan states are former soviet states.

The Soviet Union shared a border, I beleive. Many of those x-stan states are former soviet states.
yeah that's right.

New technology is great for their military, but they just don't have the economy necessary to support a large-scale nuclear program for these missles.

Just remember that they've got a fairly large percentage of resources that the world depends upon. Come ten years' time, the rest of the world will be on its knees over oil. Russia will be fine. (Luckily, I'm a Brit, and we can sustain our own demand if it came to it, rather than selling our oil off)

Really? Where does our oil come from? :confused:

New technology is great for their military, but they just don't have the economy necessary to support a large-scale nuclear program for these missles.

Ya, it imploded on them.

New technology is great for their military, but they just don't have the economy necessary to support a large-scale nuclear program for these missles.
Putin keeps trying to say otherwise. They do still have a decent sized leftover from the Cold War, though, so they could arm the missiles with those for the time being. =/

Just remember that they've got a fairly large percentage of resources that the world depends upon. Come ten years' time, the rest of the world will be on its knees over oil. Russia will be fine. (Luckily, I'm a Brit, and we can sustain our own demand if it came to it, rather than selling our oil off)
No you can't.
http://www.harbornet.com/folks/theedrich/hive/images/UK_forecast_vs_actual.gif
Source:
Digest of UK Energy Statistics




UK crude oil production peaked in 1999 and has declined subsequently. The 2003 Energy White Paper noted that the UK is expected to become a net importer of oil by around 2010.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmhansrd/cm051107/text/51107w11.htm

Really? Where does our oil come from? :confused:

The brent fields.

Well, not specifically. The UK imports a great deal of oil. But it also extracts a lot from the north sea, which it sells off to other countries.

(Though at current rates, it will be gone within the next ten years. I expect that's when you'll see scottish independence).

Oh, righto. But I was actually pointing over at those tiny countries, on the far left side of the map, about halfway down. Those were what I thought was Syria and Jordan.
That would be Georgia, Azerbaijan and Armenia.

That would be Georgia, Azerbaijan and Armenia.
Ah, of course. Thank you good sir. I need to refresh my memory of Asian countries. It's been a while. Even I forget what's what and where at times, ashamedly. ~_~

PD: So Europe faces the same problem the U.S. does from an oil standpoint, yah? A pity. I was almost contemplating moving to England.

The brent fields.

Well, not specifically. The UK imports a great deal of oil. But it also extracts a lot from the north sea, which it sells off to other countries.

(Though at current rates, it will be gone within the next ten years. I expect that's when you'll see scottish independence).

Thanks.

Ah, of course. Thank you good sir. I need to refresh my memory of Asian countries. It's been a while. Even I forget what's what and where at times, ashamedly. ~_~

PD: So Europe faces the same problem the U.S. does from an oil standpoint, yah? A pity. I was almost contemplating moving to England.
The world faces the same problem. Amost half of all non-opec oil exporters are in decline and most of the rest will be in just a few years.

Ya know, Dan, I think you should write a series of essays, and when you're done post 'em on NS for all of us to read. Perhaps work with Tactical Grace on them. Methinks they would be an interesting read and a bit more convincing than trotting out articles written by others. More people on NS might listen to ya, as I have.

Hooray for the Motherland!

Really? Where does our oil come from? :confused:

Canada, mostly. Used to be Venezuela(not sure now with the growing hostility in that region) in second. Mid-East far third.

And if I remember correctly, we export a good deal of the oil we produce.

edit: Lol, thought you were talking about America. Oh well. Carry on.

Canada, mostly. Used to be Venezuela(not sure now with the growing hostility in that region) in second. Mid-East far third.

And if I remember correctly, we export a good deal of the oil we produce.
Actually Mexico and Canada are in the top two spots and Venezuela is still in the top five. We yell at them and they yell at us, but we still need Hugo's oil and he still needs to sell it. As for our own production, most of our Alaskan oil goes to Japan, but you have to realize that it's basically a fair trade. It's cheaper for us to buy more from Mexico and Canada than it is to ship Alaskan oil to the lower 48 so it's pretty much a wash. That's why it's referred to as a "fungible" commodity. :) Since every barrel of oil of a certain grade is exactly the same as far as the market is concerned it makes no difference where we get it from.

Hooray for the Motherland!

Too bad they can't build them all.

Ya know, Dan, I think you should write a series of essays, and when you're done post 'em on NS for all of us to read. Perhaps work with Tactical Grace on them. Methinks they would be an interesting read and a bit more convincing than trotting out articles written by others. More people on NS might listen to ya, as I have.
Thanks for the vote of confidence, but my education in oil and energy is second hand. I learned about it because I heard about the problems and have educated myself. I'm not Mathew Simmons, though, so I feel more confident posting articles by others and discussing them. I am, however, going back to school this summer to get a degree in either petroleum geology or petroleum engineering so maybe then. :) I'm glad you find the subject interesting, though, because the more people who do the better chance we have of avoiding catastrophy.

tactical Grace actually works in the industry and has a formal education in energy, however so maybe...

tactical Grace actually works in the industry and has a formal education in energy, however so maybe...

Don't incur the wrath of the mods....don't finish that sentance! Good boy...

I did a little checking, Russia's nuclear weapons and most of their arsenal is falling apart, why would they make more missiles if they can't even fix the old?

Yes, yes. We're all doomed. We're all gonna die. Run for the hills. [ yawns ]

Don't incur the wrath of the mods....don't finish that sentance! Good boy...

I was only suggesting that TG is more educated in the matter than I am so maybe he could do what I was being asked to.

I did a little checking, Russia's nuclear weapons and most of their arsenal is falling apart, why would they make more missiles if they can't even fix the old?
Why would they want to fix the old? I don't fix my old 286 PC, I get a new one.
And you can always put conventional warheads on the missiles and still have a pretty mean weapon.

Russia and China just cannot sit around and hope for the best when American army is planning to create a defence against nuclear missile attacks, meaning, America can attack without fearing the consquences of retribution from these countries (China, Russia, North Korea etc). Therefore, a race for new and stealthy nuclear armament begins.

Why would they want to fix the old? I don't fix my old 286 PC, I get a new one.
And you can always put conventional warheads on the missiles and still have a pretty mean weapon.

Ya but you dispose of the other right? Well they should with theres first!

Ya but you dispose of the other right? Well they should with theres first!
Erm... no. It's still somewhere... in a box... since 1991. Damn! Now I have to take a look at all the old useless crap I have to see if I finally throw something.
:D

Look! A CGA card from 1986!

Ya but you dispose of the other right? Well they should with theres first!

LOL, That would tend to defeat the purpose of a nuclear deterrence.

LOL, That would tend to defeat the purpose of a nuclear deterrence.

Ya...but they don't even work in the first place for most of them.

america is run by fear, if it isnt the cold war its an annoying islamist state who is trying to protect itself from that twat bush

in my opinion let them have nuclear power and if i had my way i would take it off america because they cant be trusted with it
Lousy football hooligans...

Russia needs to feel they can continue to compete with the US in something; they used to be our equals, now they're somewhere south of France in competitiveness. Plus, they're getting a little antsy about the missile shield tech. Okay, it doesn't work yet, but if they continue to work at it there's no reason for it not to.
The best thing about this is that it's a competition in an area that doesn't matter anymore. The US and Russia have exactly zero reasons to go for a nuclear exchange; the missile shield isn't even aimed at nations with a significant stockpile. So, let the Russians feel good about it. A little good feeling might help their economy along.