NationStates Jolt Archive

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"El Gran Paro Americano 2006" "The Great American Boycott 2006"
"Un dia sin immigrante" "A day without an immigrant"
Nationwide Immigrant General Strike


Lists of Endorsers
As of April 11, 2006

Action Center For Justice (Charlotte, NC)
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Action LA Coalition (Los Angeles, CA)
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African American Holiday Assoc (Washington, DC)
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Aliados Hispanos (Phoenix, AZ)
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All Peoples Congress (Baltimore, MD)
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Almighty Latin Kings & Queens Nation - Sun Chapter
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Anti-Racist Action-LA/People Against Racist Terror (Culver City, CA)
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Asociacion Internacional De Descendencia De JoaQuin Murrieta (Los Angeles, CA)
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Axis of Justice (Los Angeles, CA)
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BAMN (San Francisco, CA)
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Berkeley May 1st Mobilization Committee (Berkeley, CA)
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BlueLatinos.org
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Bob McCloskey - Democratic Candidate 29th Congressional District (Monterey Park, CA)*
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Brazilian Immigrant Center (Allston, MA)
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Call To Action (Chicago, IL)
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Capital Terminus Collective (Atlanta, GA)
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Carlos Magana - LULAC (Allen, TX)
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Catherine Minhoto Justice Coordinator Religious of the Sacred Heart of Mary (Rome, Italy)
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Church of Stop Shopping (Brooklyn, NY)
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Clearinghouse: Denver Biodiese (Denver, CO)
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Coalition of United Students (Los Angeles, CA)
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Communist League
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Communist Party USA Wisconsin section (Green Bay, WI)
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Communist Party, USA Southern California (Los Angeles, CA)
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Susan Morucci, Doctors of the World - Greek Delegation (Athens, Greece)*
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DRUM- Desis Rising Up & Moving (Kackson Heights, NY)
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East Bay Sanctuary Covenant (Berkeley, CA)
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ENLACE Comunitario
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ERSEY CITY PEACE MOVEMENT (Jersey City, NJ)
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Fedration des femmes du Quebec (Quebec Women's Federation) (Montreal, Quebec, Canada)*
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Familias Unidas: Centro Latino de Recursos (Evertt, WA)
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Family Rescue (Chicago, IL)
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Federacion Baja California (Downey, CA)
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Federacion de Clubes de Aguascalientes (South Gate, CA)
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Federacion Yucateca de California Inc (Eagle Rock, CA)
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Fellowship of Reconciliation (Los Angeles, CA)
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Feminism Without Borders (College Park, MD)
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Fight Imperialism Stand Together (San Diego, CA)
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FMLN - Los Angeles (Los Angeles, CA)
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Forrest Hill - Green Party (Oakland, CA)
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Four Women, Inc. (Attleboro, MA)
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Freedom Socialist Party (Seattle, WA)
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Frente Indigena de Organizaciones Binacionales (Los Angeles, CA)
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GROW - Grass Roots Organizing Works (Amherst, MA)
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Harlem Tenants Council, Inc. (New York, NY)
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Hermandad Mexicana (Oxnard, CA)
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Hispano America Immigration (Fullerton, CA)
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Hitec Aztec Communications (Santa Maria, CA)
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Idaho Progressive Student Alliance (Boise, ID)
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Immigrant Students in Action (Providence , RI)
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Industrial Workers of the World (Cincinnati, OH)
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Iniciativa Mexicana Contra la Guerra (Mexico City, Mexico)
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International Action Center (New York, NY)
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International Socialist Organization (Los Angeles, CA)
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Justicia for Migrant Farm Workers (Toronto, Ontario, Canada)
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Kanadian Posi Kidz (Chilliwack, British Columbia, Canada)
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La Causa Amherst College (Amherst. , MA)
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La Collectiva del Troqueros del Puerto (Port of Los Angeles, CA)
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La Voz Hispana of Virginia (Richmond, VA)
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Labor/Community Strategy Center (Los Angeles, CA)
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Larry Cafiero - CA Insurance Commissioner Candidate Green Party (Ben Lomond, CA)*
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Latin American Defense Organization (Chicago, IL)
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Latin American Student Organization (Montclair, NJ)
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Latinoamericanos Unidos de California (Van Nuys, CA)
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LatinoTop10.com (Woodside, NY)
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Liars of America (Middletown, CA)
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Malcolm Marts - Past President UAW Local 1976 (Brighton, MI)
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March 25 Coalition (Los Angeles, CA)
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May Day Boston (Boston, MA)
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MEChA de USC (Los Angeles, CA)
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Mexican National Liberation Movementÿ (Evans , CO)
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Mexican Political Association (Moreno Valley, CA)
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Michael Hargis-Secretary, Chicago IWW (Chicago, IL)
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Migrant Head Start (La Junta, CO)
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National Immigrant Solidarity Network
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New York City May 1 Coalition (New York, NY)
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New York Solidarity Coalition With Katrina/Rita Supporters; NCBL (Brooklyn, NY)
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North Star Fund (New York, NY)
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Peace & Freedom Party of Orange County (Anaheim, CA)
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Laura Robeson, Peace Kitchen (Columbus, OH)*
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Peace No War Education Network
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Pittsburgh Friends of Immigrants for Immigrants' Rights (Pittsburgh, PA)
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Prisoners Defense Committee (Antonio, TX)
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Progressive Alliance
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Progressive Democrats of the Santa Monica Mountains (Woodland Hills, CA)
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Project Islamic HOPE (Los Angeles, CA)
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Puerto Rican Alliance Of Los Angeles (Los Angeles, CA)
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Queers For Peace And Justice (New York, NY)
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Responsable de la mobilisation Fedration des femmes du Quebec (Montreal, QC Canada)
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Revolutionary Workers Party of Argentina (Buenos Aires, Argentina)
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Rio Grande Valley Students United (Edinburg, TX)
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Santa Barbara Food Not Bombs (Santa Barbara, CA)
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Sexual Minorities Archives (Florence, MA)
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Speak Out - Institute for Democratic Education and Culture (Emeryville, CA)
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The Real America Press (Charlottesville, VA)
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The Rebel Voice News (Montgomery, NY)
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The United People of Color Caucus of the National Lawyers Guild (San Francisco, CA)
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Third Way Peace and Justice Fellowship (San Francisco, CA)
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US Cuba-Labor Exchange (Jersey City, NJ)
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US-Mexico Border Actions Project (Los Angeles, CA)
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We Are America
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Welfare Rights Union of Washtenaw County, Michigan
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Western NY Peace Center (Buffalo, NY)
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WNY Sweatshop Awareness Project (Buffalo, NY)
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Workers Solidarity Alliance
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Working People's Voice - Voz Obrera (New York, NY)

http://www.iww.org/

May 1st - Defend the Rights of Immigrant Workers

Whereas: the working class knows no borders or races, but exists wherever workers are exploited for the benefit of capital; and

Whereas: all human beings are entitled to the means of obtaining the necessities of life for themselves and their families, regardless of any artificial barriers created by government; and

Whereas: the nature of capitalist economies is to draw workers from all over to the centers of capitalist investment, while at the same time drawing wealth out of less-developed economies, thereby eliminating opportunities to earn a living within such economies; and

Whereas: the recent rise in immigration to the United States of America is directly attributable to this process, as exemplified by the destructive free-trade treaties forced upon Latin America by the United States government, as well as the insatiable lust of North American employers for a dependent, immigrant work-force that can be compelled to labor under sub-minimum wages and deplorable working conditions and used to undermine the working conditions of all workers; and

Whereas: all workers, wherever economic necessity may force them to seek work, are entitled to organize and take concerted, economic action for the defense and aid of their class, for which purpose the Industrial Workers of the World has sought to unite the workers of the world in One Big Union, regardless of nationality or place of origin; and

Whereas: the struggle of immigrant workers is connected and integral to the struggle of all workers for industrial freedom and economic security, which demands the solidarity of all workers, in every industry throughout the world;

Now, therefore, be it RESOLVED,

That the General Executive Board of the Industrial Workers of the World declares its opposition to efforts to prohibit or criminalize the crossing of national borders by workers, and opposes efforts to prohibit the giving of aid and comfort to immigrant workers; and be it further RESOLVED,

That, in order to advance the solidarity of all workers, and to demonstrate to the employing class that an injury to one worker is an injury to all, the General Executive Board of the Industrial Workers of the World hereby endorses the popular call for a general strike and protest in defense of immigrant workers in the United States, and calls upon all Branches and members of the Organization to participate in such a strike and protest, as local circumstances shall permit, on the first day of May 2006, the International Workers' Holiday.

GENERAL EXECUTIVE BOARD INDUSTRIAL WORKERS OF THE WORLD

Can't. There's a $6000 fine for taking the day off work to strike here.

Irrelevant.

Irrelevant.
Huh?

*sigh*

If only I had a job.

It will end with one hell of an anti-illegal-immigrant backlash.

It will end with one hell of an anti-illegal-immigrant backlash.

Then we should encourage this.


(supports FS all the way)

That's cool. I can wake up about a half hour earlier that day because there won't be any traffic on my way to work. :)

Then we should encourage this.


(supports FS all the way)

Your choice to support or not support it. :eek:

Oh, May 1st is a Monday. Yay. I don't work on Mondays.

*sigh*

If only I had a job.

Go anyway.

May the 1st is a bank holiday in the UK, so I wouldn't have been at work anyway.

It will end with one hell of an anti-illegal-immigrant backlash.

yep

I feel badly for those who come here to work, to contribute to the economy... the bad apples, who only want to mooch off taxpayer dollars, are ruining it for them.

It will end with one hell of an anti-illegal-immigrant backlash.

Good. That would expose much of the American public for what they really are: Uncaring, ungrateful bastards who don't give a shit about the problems of anyone not born in their own country.

Here is how I feel about it. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10757026#post10757026

Post #8

yep

I feel badly for those who come here to work, to contribute to the economy... the bad apples, who only want to mooch off taxpayer dollars, are ruining it for them.

Yeah, that's exactly what they're doing. People like you are the reason we have strikes in the first place.

Fucking labor barons.

Good. That would expose much of the American public for what they really are: Uncaring, ungrateful bastards who don't give a shit about the problems of anyone not born in their own country.

Sorry you feel that way.

Sorry you feel that way.

My ass.

My ass.

Long live the cranky, flag-burning, immigrant loving, communist ass of Potarius!

My ass.

I detect some bitterness, hostility, and racism here. :(

I detect some bitterness, hostility, and racism here. :(

Racism?

It will end with one hell of an anti-illegal-immigrant backlash.

like the backlash of the boycotts and protests against segregation? or those for the 8 hour day? or against some old tax on tea?

Long live the cranky, flag-burning, immigrant loving, communist ass of Potarius!

1: Well, I haven't eaten yet, and this thread's pissed me off. Don't be mad at me for taking this post literally. :p

2: I've not burned a flag in my life, but it wouldn't be out of the question. It's just cloth.

3: I like people no matter what their nationality. I'm all for "illegal" immigration.

4: I'm a Communist, but my ass is Democratic Socialist. I'll be punishing it with beans later today.

Yeah, that's exactly what they're doing. People like you are the reason we have strikes in the first place.

Fucking labor barons.

Fucking communists, who think it's OKAY to come into my country, live off my tax dollars, and CONTRIBUTE NOTHING. AND Wave fucking Me4xican flags while they're at it.

If they love Mexico so damn much, they can go back for all i care. IF you want to come to America to work, at least show some respect for the people who are taking you in, and for the EMPLOYER who is offering you the means to make a living.

Racism?

An irrational hate of the American people. Racism.

I detect some bitterness, hostility, and racism here. :(

Oh come off it. There's no point in being a cuntrash. Well, unless you have no argument to make, which is obviously clear. I'm the one supporting "illegal" immigrants, and I'm called a racist?

Suck my balls.

An irrational hate of the American people. Racism.

You're clearly a fascist, because "American" isn't a race. And irrational hate?

Hardly. I hate a lot of the people in this country because they're self-centered dickheads.

Fucking communists, who think it's OKAY to come into my country, live off my tax dollars, and CONTRIBUTE NOTHING. AND Wave fucking Me4xican flags while they're at it.

If they love Mexico so damn much, they can go back for all i care. IF you want to come to America to work, at least show some respect for the people who are taking you in, and for the EMPLOYER who is offering you the means to make a living.

Did you just confuse the terms 'communists' and 'mexicans'?

This is a new low, even for America.

May 1 is already a public holiday. Why would I "boycott" work on a day when I am free from it?

like the backlash of the boycotts and protests against segregation? or those for the 8 hour day? or against some old tax on tea?

You can not compare segregation and the eight hour day. You can not compare the immigration problem to either of them. Sorry!

May 1 is already a public holiday. Why would I "boycott" work on a day when I am free from it?

Because all the cool kids are doing it.

May 1 is already a public holiday. Why would I "boycott" work on a day when I am free from it?

In america I dont think it is though.

If you do have a holiday, fuck it, go and smash up where you work.

An irrational hate of the American people. Racism.

He's calling it as it is. Much of the western world are uncaring, ungrateful bastards who would rather see thousands starve to death every day than miss out on their favourite TV show.

Fucking communists, who think it's OKAY to come into my country, live off my tax dollars, and CONTRIBUTE NOTHING. AND Wave fucking Me4xican flags while they're at it.

If they love Mexico so damn much, they can go back for all i care. IF you want to come to America to work, at least show some respect for the people who are taking you in, and for the EMPLOYER who is offering you the means to make a living.

1: Good for them. Maybe you'll have a heart attack and we'll all be a little better off.

2: They do show respect. I had a lot of illegal immigrants as friends back in Port Isabel, and they were some of the nicest, most mild-mannered people I've ever known (especially their parents). You're the one who's being disrespectful.

If you do have a holiday, fuck it, go and smash up where you work.

Smashing up a hospital would be incredibly shit and anti-working class.

In america I dont think it is though.

Pity. Then, strike away! Not having May 1 be a holiday? Serves them right.

If you do have a holiday, fuck it, go and smash up where you work.

But the patients need those machines to live. I guess I could read their charts and try to see if some of them are bourgeois...

You can not compare segregation and the eight hour day. You can not compare the immigration problem to either of them. Sorry!

Just because you say so?

Look, get some half-way DECENT arguments, or get the fuck out. Troll.

In america I dont think it is though.

If you do have a holiday, fuck it, go and smash up where you work.

Hey, this is America not France. :p

Smashing up a hospital would be incredibly shit and anti-working class.

Hmm, then he can smash up a plastic surgery clinic. That's pretty close. :p

Smashing up a hospital would be incredibly shit and anti-working class.

Yes. But whats really more important-

people's lives

OR

breaking things?


I think we all know the answer to that one

Yes. But whats really more important-

people's lives

OR

breaking things?


I think we all know the answer to that one

Why...

WHY MUST YOU MAKE ME CHOOSE!?

Why should anyone bother going on strike on a holiday? :D

He's calling it as it is. Much of the western world are uncaring, ungrateful bastards who would rather see thousands starve to death every day than miss out on their favourite TV show.

Yes, that's why we spend millions in public and private funds every year to send aid to other countries. :rolleyes:

Why should anyone bother going on strike on a holiday? :D

It's not a holiday in America. Hm, I wonder why that is.

Stupid corporate sponsorship.

Hmm, then he can smash up a plastic surgery clinic. That's pretty close. :p

Yes. But whats really more important-

people's lives

OR

breaking things?


I think we all know the answer to that one

I think the best thing to do is have a designated smashing-it-up area agreed upon by the local community where people can bring their unwanted papers, boxes and cans and we can aid the recycling effort while also letting the repressed teenage maniacs of the community (I'm looking at you, Potarius) expend their aggression.

Yes, that's why we spend millions in public and private funds every year to send aid to other countries. :rolleyes:

Compared to the per capita spending of other countries, we're far behind in that respect. Extremely far.

[QUOTE][You can not compare segregation and the eight hour day. You can not compare the immigration problem to either of them. Sorry!/QUOTE]

And who gave you the power to decide who can compare things?

America is built upon immigrants.

The only ethnic group of Americans are of course the American Indians.

Latin American people who work in the US and are "illegals" have the same ties to the US as all the white and African American people do to the US.

They ALL came to the US for economic reasons or to leave a tyranny in Europe at some point in history.

Why is it that some of the immigrant groups in the US have more of right in the US than others?

The whites did NOT come to the US legally either, they came in boats and wiped out a good portion of the native population.

The Africans were shipped over against their will to the US as well.

Im sorry but your arguments against "illegal" immigration hold no ground.

No one is illegal!

Compared to the per capita spending of other countries, we're far behind in that respect. Extremely far.

Only in comparison to Gov't funding, not private.

Did you just confuse the terms 'communists' and 'mexicans'?

This is a new low, even for America.

no, seperate rants:

1) Those who come here with the idea that they have a right to demand employment and/or set their wage. A specific job (or the wage that comes with it) is not a right, it's a privelege offered by the owners of the company. I'm all for treating workers well, and would pay competitive wages if I were in a position to do so (because turnover sucks, and... if I hire someone, i'm going to like that person, and care about their well-being and that of any family they might be supporting)... but it'd frustrate the heck out of me to be told what I had to pay someone.

2) Some come to America waving Mexican flags. It's not that big a deal... but it's not terribly endearing to many who are more or less forced to accept them and take some of them on as a tax burden. Being proud of one's heritage is okay, imo, but if you're fleeing a country and going somewhere else, it'd be nice if you'd show some respect for your destination.

It's not a holiday in America. Hm, I wonder why that is.

Stupid corporate sponsorship.Hey, people go around smashing things in Berlin every May Day. I know why I'll be spending mine in Disneyland this year...;)

Pity. Then, strike away! Not having May 1 be a holiday? Serves them right.

worse - over here it's officially "loyalty day". take that, haymarket martyrs!

Only in comparison to Gov't funding, not private.

True, but most of the people I know who give to charities just do it because their church says they should. I assume it's like that in most places here.

My best friend's parents are that way. They don't even think about the plight of the people in Africa. What do they do, then? They give paltry sums to the Salvation Army about twice a year.

It really pisses me off when people give to charities just because everyone else does it.

Potarius

(just curious)

How are things with your dad? I thought you mentioned your home situation one day, and wanted to see if things had changed/improved.

Yes, that's why we spend millions in public and private funds every year to send aid to other countries. :rolleyes:

Oh, pish. If we in the west really wanted to do something about poverty, we could with a mere fraction of the money we spend on the military. We probably could have done it 50 years ago. Why not?

Because in general (exceptions spring to mind that have a strategic interest) the west wants the developing world kept poor. Where are we going to make our consumer goods, otherwise? And what of the nations that don't make anything, and can give us nothing back in return?

True, but most of the people I know who give to charities just do it because their church says they should. I assume it's like that in most places here.

My best friend's parents are that way. They don't even think about the plight of the people in Africa. What do they do, then? They give paltry sums to the Salvation Army about twice a year.

It really pisses me off when people give to charities just because everyone else does it.

Yeah, it'd be cool if people gave generously because they really were generous... but I suppose in the end, the money still counts.

As for giving aid to Africa, there was a topic concerning exactly that... oh, maybe a few months ago. If I remember correctly, the consensus (or at least majority decision, hehe) was that throwing money at Africa is not a terribly effective method for appeasing their problems.

Potarius

(just curious)

How are things with your dad? I thought you mentioned your home situation one day, and wanted to see if things had changed/improved.

I really don't feel like changing the subject on a whim at the moment.

cool. if you want to, you could transmit a telegram or something.

the consensus (or at least majority decision, hehe) was that throwing money at Africa is not a terribly effective method for appeasing their problems.

Financial aid would still help a lot of the kids who have no prospect in life over there. That's not the best way to solve the problem (nor would it really solve it), but it would help, if even only a little.

I just get worked up when people think it's no biggie that nobody's really helping the people who actually need help.

Financial aid would still help a lot of the kids who have no prospect in life over there. That's not the best way to solve the problem (nor would it really solve it), but it would help, if even only a little.

I just get worked up when people think it's no biggie that nobody's really helping the people who actually need help.

Then if we're going to be serious about it, we might have to get down and dirty with some of the warlords over there.

Plane drops bundles of food, the warlords grab the shipments, and people remain hungry.

Hmm, then he can smash up a plastic surgery clinic. That's pretty close. :p

Hey! I've nothing against ugly people trying to make themselves look better.

Oh, pish. If we in the west really wanted to do something about poverty, we could with a mere fraction of the money we spend on the military. We probably could have done it 50 years ago. Why not?

Because in general (exceptions spring to mind that have a strategic interest) the west wants the developing world kept poor. Where are we going to make our consumer goods, otherwise? And what of the nations that don't make anything, and can give us nothing back in return?

Actually, it's usually the corrupt leaders of the Third World that keep their people poor. All the money we spend over there goes into some dictators pocket. If you really want us to end poverty, we'll have to do more "regime changes".

http://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?story=20060412084834806

Port Truckers Set to Strike May 1st
By John Riley, Si Se Puede Collective
April 11, 2006

For the past 20 years port truckers in Los Angeles have been organizing for employee recognition, respect, dignity, and decent wages. Their struggle has past through various ups and downs, but this May 1st might just be the beginning of a new wave or radicalism for Los Angeles port truckers. If all goes as planned LA Harbor, the biggest port on the west coast, will come to a screeching halt on May 1st.

Unlike the common vision of a trucker, an old white man wearing a cowboy hat drinking a big gulp full of coffee, most truckers in LA are Latino, some are women, and most speak Spanish. They call themselves troqueros. They work an average of 60- 80 hours a week, and are often forced to drive under dangerous and illegal conditions. Many of them have histories as organizers or radicals in their home countries. And now they are making history organizing in the U.S.

Troqueros, or owner operators as the trucking companies call them, are denied benefits given to most employees because the companies contend that they are independent contractors and thus not entitled to collective bargaining rights. Trucking companies have also used this loophole to set up dubious insurance scams. Instead of offering insurance plans from private HMOs like most employers do, the trucking industry has been charging truckers high premiums for a company health plan, and then buying a cheaper plan from an HMO, and pocketing the profit. And the money trucking companies are making from this scam is substantial. One company, Pacer, made over three million dollars in a period of ten years with this insurance scam. On top of this, wages for truckers has stayed stagnant for years, and with the cost of diesel rising to almost 3$ a gallon, it is the truckers who are feeling the pinch.

But the tide may be turning for the troqueros. Recently the International Longshoremans Union along with the International Brotherhood of the Teamsters have committed to supply serious time and resources into organizing the 50,000+ truckers in the LA area. The Teamsters have tried before, without much success, but some hope that now with the support of the ILWU, the truckers might have another shot at organizing.

In the end however, the fate of the troqeros lies in their own hands. The Troqueros are organizing themselves, mostly over via two-way and CB radio. If you happened to tune into one of their conversations these days, the radio is filled with talk, in Spanish and English, of the Huegla General the General Strike on May 1st. The planned strike is part of a larger general strike called for in support of immigrant rights, but the truckers are also calling for their own demands including a 25% wage increase.

In Long Beach a small band of truckers and supporters stands across one of the major freight lines with a sign that reads: Huegla General, 1 de Mayo. Trucks pass by with drivers leaning out their windows to see the sign, most raise their thumbs or their fists in support, some honk and smile. The rumor is that truckers in ports across the United States may join the LA truckers in striking on mayday. The extent to which the strike takes hold is yet to be seen, what is certain is that if these truckers and successful, they will do some serious economic damage to the international commerce, and if the truckers are able to successfully organize, either through official union recognition or otherwise, it will be a serious victory for workers in Los Angeles and across the country.

Great thinking. Hold a general strike on a day that is a holiday in most of the world. Sure, we are all going to notice.

What is the point of the strike? To protest/gain what?

Good. That would expose much of the American public for what they really are: Uncaring, ungrateful bastards who don't give a shit about the problems of anyone not born in their own country.

Why should an illegal alien be given the same rights that I have? What makes you think that you have a 'right' to come into this country illegally? I served for this country to give rights to its citizens, not someone who can hop a fence. Do you think that REAL Americans will stand by and let illegals take their jobs away, with no retaliation?

Actually, it's usually the corrupt leaders of the Third World that keep their people poor. All the money we spend over there goes into some dictators pocket. If you really want us to end poverty, we'll have to do more "regime changes".Sure. The fact that the colonial powers didn't bother building any proper infrastructure other than to get the natural resources out has had absolutely no effect whatsoever on the situation.

Hey! I've nothing against ugly people trying to make themselves look better.

What about vain rich people who do it because everyone else is?


Actually, it's usually the corrupt leaders of the Third World that keep their people poor.

Sometimes.

All the money we spend over there goes into some dictators pocket.

Explain then, why India, a functioning "democracy", has possibly the largest collection of those suffering from poverty in the whole world?

And what of regimes where the dictators are encouraged and propped up by the west?

If you really want us to end poverty, we'll have to do more "regime changes".

Ah, so we can go on a "mission to civilise" again, eh? I seem to remember how that turned out last time.

True, but most of the people I know who give to charities just do it because their church says they should. I assume it's like that in most places here.

My best friend's parents are that way. They don't even think about the plight of the people in Africa. What do they do, then? They give paltry sums to the Salvation Army about twice a year.

It really pisses me off when people give to charities just because everyone else does it.

Which is more important the motive for giving or the results? Who are you to question why someone gives? Would you prefer people who gave "just because everyone else does" just stop giving? Oh, you forgot the big one, "Some people only gove because the amount they give is tax deductable." :rolleyes:

In Holland we don't have may first off. Wy should we? It's labour day. You should work your ass off if anything.

Hey! I've nothing against ugly people trying to make themselves look better.

i hear that... up until today my currency was the Rhinoplasty.

Why should an illegal alien be given the same rights that I have? What makes you think that you have a 'right' to come into this country illegally? I served for this country to give rights to its citizens, not someone who can hop a fence. Do you think that REAL Americans will stand by and let illegals take their jobs away, with no retaliation?

REAL Americans didn't, and they were mostly killed and put in reservations after fighting against "illegal aliens". Funny, that.

What about vain rich people who do it because everyone else is?

Have you seen rich people splurge on plastic surgery? Their own actions are punishment enough.

Have you seen rich people splurge on plastic surgery? Their own actions are punishment enough.
:D True.

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"Charlie 666, this is Echo Demon, copy."

"Echo Demon, how're the miles stacking up today?"

"Great. Say, you heard of that strike on May 1?"

"Yeah."

"Don't we have may 1 off anyway?"

"Yeah"

"Then why the [bleep] don't we strike on May 2?"

hehe

He's calling it as it is. Much of the western world are uncaring, ungrateful bastards who would rather see thousands starve to death every day than miss out on their favourite TV show.

Or post on their favorite forum? While you are here blaming America for 'allowing?' people to starve to death, what are you contributing to helping those starving people? You are sitting here complaining about the starving people and not doing anything, just like us Americans; we are more similar than you think we are.

Or post on their favorite forum? While you are here blaming America for 'allowing?' people to starve to death, what are you contributing to helping those starving people? You are sitting here complaining about the starving people and not doing anything, just like us Americans; we are more similar than you think we are.

You don't know I don't do anything though. Don't make assumptions about my personal life.

Why should an illegal alien be given the same rights that I have?

Because, just like you, they're people. Nobody has the right to take away what's theirs, even though in a regime such as ours, that sort of thing happens far too often.

What makes you think that you have a 'right' to come into this country illegally?

What makes you think you have the right to take a shit when you want to? Both questions are equally ridiculous. An imaginary line is something too archaic for this modern age.

I served for this country to give rights to its citizens, not someone who can hop a fence.

Laughable. The military doesn't give rights to its citizens. It protects its citizens from aggressors; however, in the case of the U.S. military, it invades much weaker countries to force regime changes that will better suit its ideals.

Do you think that REAL Americans will stand by and let illegals take their jobs away, with no retaliation?

Real Americans encourage freedom of movement, not restriction of basic human rights.

REAL Americans didn't, and they were mostly killed and put in reservations after fighting against "illegal aliens". Funny, that.

Native Americans weren't totally blameless... killing and torturing settlers, including women and children, is no way to throw out a welcome mat.

1: Good for them. Maybe you'll have a heart attack and we'll all be a little better off.

2: They do show respect. I had a lot of illegal immigrants as friends back in Port Isabel, and they were some of the nicest, most mild-mannered people I've ever known (especially their parents). You're the one who's being disrespectful.

1. Maybe the illegal immigrants will overpopulate and breed themselves into extinction. Great for them, and the rest of the world.

2. They only show respect because they do not wish to be deported for breaking the law.

REAL Americans didn't, and they were mostly killed and put in reservations after fighting against "illegal aliens". Funny, that.

What did Australia do the original inhabitants? Just thought I'd ask. Oh, and doesn't Australia put all those illegal who come in by boat in detention camps?

What did Australia do the original inhabitants? Just thought I'd ask. Oh, and doesn't Australia put all those illegal who come in by boat in detention camps?

Do you honestly think I support that shit? Guess again.

REAL Americans didn't, and they were mostly killed and put in reservations after fighting against "illegal aliens". Funny, that.
I smell a Mexican revolution :eek:

Native Indians and Mexicans join together and attack. We are fucked.

Or post on their favorite forum? While you are here blaming America for 'allowing?' people to starve to death, what are you contributing to helping those starving people? You are sitting here complaining about the starving people and not doing anything, just like us Americans; we are more similar than you think we are.Now that you mention it, I actually gave money to people begging on the street today...

[QUOTE][You can not compare segregation and the eight hour day. You can not compare the immigration problem to either of them. Sorry!/QUOTE]

And who gave you the power to decide who can compare things?

America is built upon immigrants.

The only ethnic group of Americans are of course the American Indians.

Latin American people who work in the US and are "illegals" have the same ties to the US as all the white and African American people do to the US.

They ALL came to the US for economic reasons or to leave a tyranny in Europe at some point in history.

Why is it that some of the immigrant groups in the US have more of right in the US than others?

The whites did NOT come to the US legally either, they came in boats and wiped out a good portion of the native population.

The Africans were shipped over against their will to the US as well.

Im sorry but your arguments against "illegal" immigration hold no ground.

No one is illegal!


The Native American's should never have allowed the pilgrim's off of their boats. I am part Cherokee, and think that this country could be better off if no immigrants were allowed here. I would have my piece of land then, instead of having it given to someone off the boat or over the fence.

Native Americans weren't totally blameless... killing and torturing settlers, including women and children, is no way to throw out a welcome mat.

That's total bullshit, and you know it. Native American tribes were completely welcoming at first. It was the settlers who raped their women, stole their food and animals, and beat their children.

That's why the natives retaliated. I can't say that I blame them.

You don't know I don't do anything though. Don't make assumptions about my personal life.

However it is OK for you to make assumption about people's motives for giving to charity? :confused:

Because, just like you, they're people. Nobody has the right to take away what's theirs, even though in a regime such as ours, that sort of thing happens far too often.



What makes you think you have the right to take a shit when you want to? Both questions are equally ridiculous. An imaginary line is something too archaic for this modern age.



Laughable. The military doesn't give rights to its citizens. It protects its citizens from aggressors; however, in the case of the U.S. military, it invades much weaker countries to force regime changes that will better suit its ideals.



Real Americans encourage freedom of movement, not restriction of basic human rights.

a) You're right, nobody has a right to take away others' property. And yet, through the more socialistic aspects of our taxation, that's what happens.

b) Then we should build a giant wall (hehe)

c) I agree with that whole thing about the military, up to your last sentence -- we've sacrificed a hell of a lot to increase the political freedom of Afghanis and Iraqis, or at least the non-militant-Muslim (terrorists/insurgents in our lexicon) ones. As for what the military is in terms of protecting us... right on.

d) Real Americans encourage freedom of movement, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom from harm (foreign or domestic), freedom in the marketplace (in terms of buying/investing), and... financial freedom, the freedom to keep (more of...) that which you earn, as well as the freedom to own things (that came out ideally, lol -- freedom to own things).

1. Maybe the illegal immigrants will overpopulate and breed themselves into extinction. Great for them, and the rest of the world.

2. They only show respect because they do not wish to be deported for breaking the law.

1: Oh, so you're a racist? Charming.

2: You're obviously just pulling this out of your ass. I doubt you've had a single illegal immigrant friend.

That's total bullshit, and you know it. Native American tribes were completely welcoming at first. It was the settlers who raped their women, stole their food and animals, and beat their children.

That's why the natives retaliated. I can't say that I blame them.

Read "Texas"

(it's long, but a good read)

Native Americans weren't totally blameless... killing and torturing settlers, including women and children, is no way to throw out a welcome mat.Why throw out a welcome mat when someone breaks into your home?

Native Americans weren't totally blameless... killing and torturing settlers, including women and children, is no way to throw out a welcome mat.

Maybe they did not want to 'throw out a welcome mat.' As far as they are concerned, the settlers are nothing more than invaders.

Native Americans weren't totally blameless... killing and torturing settlers, including women and children, is no way to throw out a welcome mat.

Yeah, and the Europeans did that too, bringing their lovely smallpox blankets with them and all. I'm sure there were examples of peaceful peoples wiped out for no reason other than occupying land the Europeans wanted - i'd love to get into specific examples, but i'm regrettably not too well versed on that (though you've inspired me to look it up.). Not to mention, the immigrants weren't explicitly looking for a welcome mat anyway.

-snip-

Now, I don't wholly support taxes myself, but in this economic system of ours, they're necessary.

Well, it really shouldn't be our place as a nation to dictate what other countries do.

However it is OK for you to make assumption about people's motives for giving to charity? :confused:

When?

I don't care about individuals motives for giving to charity.

I had a managerial office job. Then some illegals came and stole it when I was getting drunk in the bathroom. True story.

I had a managerial office job. Then some illegals came and stole it when I was getting drunk in the bathroom. True story.

LMAO!

I had a managerial office job. Then some illegals came and stole it when I was getting drunk in the bathroom. True story.

You had to get drunk in the bathroom? Oh, you poor pauper.

I suppose it'd be important to know exactly what a prospective immigrant has to do to avoid the "illegal" tag... do you have to stake a claim for citizenship (that you're going to try to become a US citizen), obtain a green card, etc.?

Now, I don't wholly support taxes myself, but in this economic system of ours, they're necessary.

Well, it really shouldn't be our place as a nation to dictate what other countries do.

Yes, taxes are necessary... there are some things we can't do on our own (national defense, other gov't services that serve all Americans), and some people who can't support themselves who should be helped.

No, but if people want someone gone and can't get him out, can we lend a hand?

Do you honestly think I support that shit? Guess again.

So, what makes you think we support the killing of the Indians? He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones. Instead of worrying about our immigration policies, why don't you do something about solving your own? :confused:

Now that you mention it, I actually gave money to people begging on the street today...

That is good. Here have a cookie...:fluffle:

Yes, taxes are necessary... there are some things we can't do on our own (national defense, other gov't services that serve all Americans), and some people who can't support themselves who should be helped.

No, but if people want someone gone and can't get him out, can we lend a hand?

1: Agreed.

2: Oh, definitely. Just not under false pretenses, and we shouldn't try to set up a puppet government.

Why throw out a welcome mat when someone breaks into your home?

Fair enough, though more peaceful means of defense might have been sought (or attempted more vigorously).

like "Please don't live here, this is our land and has been our land for eons."

At least then you give the prospective settler a chance to leave.

(and maybe that's how it happened in many cases... settlers said "no way, Jose, I ain't a-leavin' this'n here homestead -- spits out tobacco juice -- I got me 5 acres" ... and then the battles started.)

That's total bullshit, and you know it. Native American tribes were completely welcoming at first. It was the settlers who raped their women, stole their food and animals, and beat their children.

That's why the natives retaliated. I can't say that I blame them.

Better check your history. While a lot of tribes welcomed the newcomers, not all did.

1: Agreed.

2: Oh, definitely. Just not under false pretenses, and we shouldn't try to set up a puppet government.

Yah. I know we've done the puppet gov't thing in the past, but at least in Iraq they got to vote -- and Bush doesn't like a lot of the people the Iraqis elected, but to my knowledge we're doing nothing to remove them.

So, what makes you think we support the killing of the Indians? He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones. Instead of worrying about our immigration policies, why don't you do something about solving your own? :confused:
I never said that I thought anyone *supported* it - but arguing about "REAL Americans" and acting with airs of moral superiority was ridiculous when in fact the ancestors of modern America did the exact same thing, but more violently.

As for doing something about solving our own immigration policies, fret not...i'm very vocal about it, despite drawing ire from REAL Australians (;)) and have been politically active attempting to fight it for some three years. Again, please don't make assumptions about my personal life.

Better check your history. While a lot of tribes welcomed the newcomers, not all did.

Did I say all of them? No.

I know that the Apaches and Commanches were what people might call "evil". But almost none of the other tribes liked them, and for good reason.

Better check your history. While a lot of tribes welcomed the newcomers, not all did.

I'm not certain... but weren't the eastern tribes generally more welcoming than, say, the plains/western tribes (EG, Comanche, Apache, Kiowa)?

I suppose it'd be important to know exactly what a prospective immigrant has to do to avoid the "illegal" tag... do you have to stake a claim for citizenship (that you're going to try to become a US citizen), obtain a green card, etc.?

Here you go. It is a long process. http://www.us-immigration.com/

I'm not certain... but weren't the eastern tribes generally more welcoming than, say, the plains/western tribes (EG, Comanche, Apache, Kiowa)?

Yes.

Can't. There's a $6000 fine for taking the day off work to strike here.

Really ?! You are not allowed to strike ?!

Here, we are lucky, May 1st is an holiday ("workers day"), since 1919 ! :)

Really ?! You are not allowed to strike ?!

Here, we are lucky, May 1st is an holiday ("workers day"), since 1919 ! :)

Not since recent changes to legislation. I'll dig it up for you and show you tomorrow if you like - i'm off to bed now.

Really ?! You are not allowed to strike ?!

Here, we are lucky, May 1st is an holiday ("workers day"), since 1919 ! :)

This post alone makes me want to learn French and visit your country.

This post alone makes me want to learn French and visit your country.
It's a holiday over in my country too.

Wow, there are more commie countries than I thought. ;)

May the 1st is a bank holiday in the UK, so I wouldn't have been at work anyway.
Ah, good old May-Day.

I smell a Mexican revolution :eek:

Native Indians and Mexicans join together and attack. We are fucked.

I'd support that. Where do I sign up for the gringa alliance battalion?

as far as i am concerned the american's are stuck in the dark ages, every other contry has had some sort of social revolution. You just say "FUCK YOU" to any sort of strike (how the hell can you fine someone for striking against something that you dont believe in - oh yeah, it could damage corporate profits, and we all know that those really run america)

vive le revolution

as far as i am concerned the american's are stuck in the dark ages, every other contry has had some sort of social revolution. You just say "FUCK YOU" to any sort of strike (how the hell can you fine someone for striking against something that you dont believe in - oh yeah, it could damage corporate profits, and we all know that those really run america)

vive le revolution

it's Friday, and I hate debating rhetoric on Friday.. especially when it's freaking gorgeous outside and I'M STUCK IN HERE (office).

just know that i would strike down your post with the strength of a thousand mighty fists.

hehe

may day 1886-2006

120 years and still fighting

it's Friday, and I hate debating rhetoric on Friday.. especially when it's freaking gorgeous outside and I'M STUCK IN HERE (office).

just know that i would strike down your post with the strength of a thousand mighty fists.

hehe

cant keep crushing the workers

it's Friday, and I hate debating rhetoric on Friday.. especially when it's freaking gorgeous outside and I'M STUCK IN HERE (office).

just know that i would strike down your post with the strength of a thousand mighty fists.

hehe

well, look at the way the media criminalized the leaders of the transit workers strike. contemporary americans don't view strikes too favorably.

but if you go back in history...oh man. those were the days. can anyone say "newsies?"

Wow, there are more commie countries than I thought. ;)Don't be silly. May Day was made a holiday by the Nazis in Germany. Not every May Day has socialist origins.

cant keep crushing the workers

hehe

can't hurt business either, or there won't be jobs. ;)

hehe

can't hurt business either, or there won't be jobs. ;)

can if you nationalise them ;)

well, look at the way the media criminalized the leaders of the transit workers strike. contemporary americans don't view strikes too favorably.

but if you go back in history...oh man. those were the days. can anyone say "newsies?"

(okay, just this post)

There was a time when workers in the US really were treated like crap, and Unions/strikes were necessary.

But today... pay is good (our workforce is among the best-paid in the world), benefits are generally good, etc... and their unions help make sure they can sit on their asses for 2-3 hours out of every 9-hour shift (not counting the 1 hour for lunch).

:)

workers in the US really were treated like crap

what about the mexicans working for next to nothing doing the jobs you dont want to and now your chucking them out!!!

May Day is a bank holiday here anyway, so I wouldn't be working.

Can't. There's a $6000 fine for taking the day off work to strike here.
It's illegal to go on strike in Australia now? Are the new labour laws really that bad?

Here is how I feel about it. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10757026#post10757026

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I think that the big business lobby wants more open borders to get cheap workers. Don't be so anti-capitalist, Celtlund. ;)

An irrational hate of the American people. Racism.
He doesn't hate all of them; he is American himself. It's not racist when a right-winger attacks welfare bums, even though these welfare bums are usually fellow Americans.

(okay, just this post)

There was a time when workers in the US really were treated like crap, and Unions/strikes were necessary.

But today... pay is good (our workforce is among the best-paid in the world), benefits are generally good, etc... and their unions help make sure they can sit on their asses for 2-3 hours out of every 9-hour shift (not counting the 1 hour for lunch).

:)

im not going to say that all unions are perfect, but i still believe that there is a need for them. as long as a minority is ruling the majority, the majority needs the right to organize and defend their interests. one of the things won by the transit strike was paid maternity leave...do you think that an individual or even a group of women writing a letter to the boss would have gotten them that? workers have a right to unite their voices and demands. and although conditions have improved greatly, that is not to say there are not still great injustices or inequalities.

In america I dont think it is though.

If you do have a holiday, fuck it, go and smash up where you work.
Hey, this is America not France. :p
lol, good one! :)

im not going to say that all unions are perfect, but i still believe that there is a need for them. as long as a minority is ruling the majority, the majority needs the right to organize and defend their interests. one of the things won by the transit strike was paid maternity leave...do you think that an individual or even a group of women writing a letter to the boss would have gotten them that? workers have a right to unite their voices and demands. and although conditions have improved greatly, that is not to say there are not still great injustices or inequalities.

...that's based on the belief that a worker has a right to the job he is currently in... viewing the job as a right, rather than a privelege extended by a benefactor (generally the business owner or owners).

HEY! Those damn spics hijacked our holiday and slogan! Kick out illegals today and force their employers to pay(better wages so Americans will work for them)! And congress raise minimum wage!

what about the mexicans working for next to nothing doing the jobs you dont want to and now your chucking them out!!!

are they forced to work such jobs?

does anyone say something like, "Okay, Paco, now that you're in the US (illegally or not), we're gonna put you to work in these here coal mines for a pittance."

Certainly a lack of formal education and language barriers hurt many immigrants' chances of gaining what many would call "good" jobs, but there are remedies for both challenges (i took out loans to get my degrees, so can Paco)... and Paco may refuse any job conditions he finds inferior by leaving the job or not taking it in the first place.

I love it when I see new Mexican restaurants/taco stands -- they're popping up all over the place here -- because to me it represents two great things:

a) That someone (may be someone who's been here a long time or jsut recently came over) stuck his neck out on a limb to start a business

and going along with that...

b) That the person created the sort of business that employs people other than himself -- in so doing, he's created job opportunities. And if he only hires Mexican (or former Mexican..) people, that's okay by me, because it tells me that they are gainfully employed and contributing to our economy as well as our GI tracts. hehe

i'm to otired to argue, i am safe in the knowledge that i have the moral high ground

my sister is like you, never gives up on an argument

wonder if anyone actually knows where i live........
I AM BORED

are they forced to work such jobs?

does anyone say something like, "Okay, Paco, now that you're in the US (illegally or not), we're gonna put you to work in these here coal mines for a pittance."

Certainly a lack of formal education and language barriers hurt many immigrants' chances of gaining what many would call "good" jobs, but there are remedies for both challenges (i took out loans to get my degrees, so can Paco)... and Paco may refuse any job conditions he finds inferior by leaving the job or not taking it in the first place.

ok, you clearly benefit from middle/upper class privledge if you think these are options for "Paco" as you have so affectionatly named him. There is a documented racism inbedded within the money lending industry, and you are ignorant and/or stupid if you do not think that this extends towards Mexican nationals. My mother was denied a loan for bad credit, I was denied one for not having enough credit, I had to depend on my father for loans. Loans aren't an option for everyone because in order to qualify you must be able to prove you have some way to pay them back. If your job is minimum wage, YOU DONT.

Also, the companies are not FORCING immigrants to take these jobs, POVERTY is. You might have the financial security and options to "just not take" a job if the employer treats you poorly, but the kind of person who risks their lives to walk days across the desert in 100+ degree temperatures usually does not. IN ADDITION, if they are illegal, this gives the employer even MORE room for exploitation because he/she can threaten to turn the employee over to immigration services if he/she does not comply or complains.

I used to date an illegal immigrant and he said coming to the US was his LAST CHOICE. People don't just one day go "hey, mexico smells funny. lets go to the us" -- it is a desicion reached after a lifetime of hardships.

...that's based on the belief that a worker has a right to the job he is currently in... viewing the job as a right, rather than a privelege extended by a benefactor (generally the business owner or owners).

well, that all works out. because i believe that everyone has the right (and responsibility) to work.

i would like to frangland spend a week empying rubbish bags or working 12 hours for crap pay in a cotton field

well, that all works out. because i believe that everyone has the right (and responsibility) to work.

agreed, on the responsibility part.

as for your other post, bank loans (at least) are generally only given to people with good/decent credit... so one thing an immigrant would have to do would be to GET credit cards and use them wisely, thus establishing good credit. (no credit does not equal good credit)

Few will come here with golden shoes... it takes work. It takes some luck too. Crap, my brain's on the weather. MY benefactors saw fit to let us off 2 hours early today, so there's that to be thankful for.

i would like to frangland spend a week empying rubbish bags or working 12 hours for crap pay in a cotton field

I worked the night shift scrubbing vegetable drool off of dishes... i spent a summer doing that. That job sucked ass. But I kept at it, made about $5 per hour (this was in 1994), and went to school with beer money in my pocket.

:)

that actually reminds me... one of my duties (in the Chief Executive Dish-washer job) entailed taking out the trash.

This included grease... you get a huge trash bag full of grease/oil, and you don't want to drop it!

At any rate, I was taking the trash out to the "trash enclosure" (really a wooden shed with swinging doors, located outside, with the huge trash-collection "box" inside of it -- the shed didn't have a roof, which makes the following possible) one night... and when I opened the door, I was staring eye-to-eye with a raccoon. The raccoon was sitting on top of the trash-collecting contraption, so it was at approximately my height.

I stood there, unsure of what to do... I said something like, "It's okay, buddy..." and just stood there.

This raccoon commences with SCREACHING ... and he's not 5 feet away from me. Well I drop the bags, and run back inside. lol

I think that the big business lobby wants more open borders to get cheap workers.

though they also want things to remain pretty much as they are, legally speaking. cheap workers will only stay cheap if you create a system that keeps them as a permanent underclass.

did you know the u.s. supreme court actually ruled that illegals can't sue for back pay? we literally have it so that companies can import some undocumented workers, exploit the fuck out of them, not even pay them, and then have them deported.

as far as i am concerned the american's are stuck in the dark ages, every other contry has had some sort of social revolution. You just say "FUCK YOU" to any sort of strike (how the hell can you fine someone for striking against something that you dont believe in - oh yeah, it could damage corporate profits, and we all know that those really run america)

vive le revolution

We had one. It was called the Civil Rights movement.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f351/morph3030/unete.jpg
Yay! It's just like the idiotic gas-out urban legends.

Yay! It's just like the idiotic gas-out urban legends.

or the millions of people who have already taken to the streets over the past few weeks?

are they forced to work such jobs?

does anyone say something like, "Okay, Paco, now that you're in the US (illegally or not), we're gonna put you to work in these here coal mines for a pittance."

Certainly a lack of formal education and language barriers hurt many immigrants' chances of gaining what many would call "good" jobs, but there are remedies for both challenges (i took out loans to get my degrees, so can Paco)... and Paco may refuse any job conditions he finds inferior by leaving the job or not taking it in the first place.
In theory. In reality, most employers who provide anything more than the worst jobs won't take the risk of hiring illegals. Not liking a job is still better than starving anyway.

How is Paco going to get money to learn English? He works long hours, gets paid pittance, and probably can't get any bank to loan him money. That's before he even thinks about getting some serious education.

or the millions of people who have already taken to the streets over the past few weeks?
Nah, it's nothing like that. That makes a statement--this just shifts the purchases to a later date (and really will only harm the small operations, not the large corporations and governmentthey wish to make a statement to).

Sign me up. Comrade.

This post alone makes me want to learn French and visit your country.

Funny how you decry one nation for its racism and then laud another with worse violations thereof. I smell hypocracy.

For liberty, equality, and mediocrity!

Good. That would expose much of the American public for what they really are: Uncaring, ungrateful bastards who don't give a shit about the problems of anyone not born in their own country.

Yes the uncaring bastards that helped in the Tsunami with all our don't give a shit dollars and military! Yeah you tell the man!

Are we talking about the Mexicans going on strike?

Are we talking about the Mexicans going on strike?
It's the first of May soon, and teenagers all over the world can't wait. That's what we're talking about. :p

Funny how you decry one nation for its racism and then laud another with worse violations thereof. I smell hypocracy.

For liberty, equality, and mediocrity!

Did I say I thought highly of the French government? No, not once.

Did I say I thought highly of the French government? No, not once.

You spoke with what could be construed as admiration for the French people.

And the French people are those who are chiefly responsible for the French government (well, fortunately for the French, that isn't quite true).

Lol

How irresponsible would it be for most of the “working class” (in an economy full of small business and franchise owners who work their asses off, the term means little) to skip a day of work? Those people have families which I assume they themselves, along with most communists, would prefer not to go hungry.

Whatever. Not as if it affects me much. I’ll just be sure not to go to the movies that day. The lines at the concession will be ridiculous, what with a shortage of pimple-faced pot heads.

Strike, strike, strike strike!

Well, it just happens to be a holiday for the company I work for - not by plan, that's just the way the standard holidays for "Golden Week" work out.

I just might go to the Zenrokyo's rally. (The Zenrokyo, or National Trade Union Council, is the confederation that the union I joined a few months ago is part of too).

Appropriately enough, I am about to submit my first ever grievance to the Labor Standards Office via my union.

bump

Show what a hard worker you are, by refusing to work!

Show what a hard worker you are, by refusing to work!

that's not technically the point

that's not technically the point

So is it the mexicans then? No one answered my question.

So is it the mexicans then? No one answered my question.


Yeah, more or less.

Yeah, more or less.

I think it's safe to say that such a strike would have no appreciable effect on my life.

Show what a hard worker you are, by refusing to work!

Sarcasm aside, the best way to have people notice your contributions is to stop them for a bit. The bathroom gets pretty dirty when mommy stops cleaning it for you, ect...

i dont mid them taking a day off work, quite frankly wouldnt do anything to my daily routine.

but to show mexico that they also need us, the legal Americans, i say we shut the border down for one day, no traffic in or out, complete shut down.

i dont mid them taking a day off work, quite frankly wouldnt do anything to my daily routine.

but to show mexico that they also need us, the legal Americans, i say we shut the border down for one day, no traffic in or out, complete shut down.

Or the Federal government could arrest every immigration protester in one city and deport all of the illegals (and release the legals and born-heres).

Or the Federal government could arrest every immigration protester in one city and deport all of the illegals (and release the legals and born-heres).

that's just dumb.

firstly, that would just be a bad idea logistically. cities have seen hundreds of thousands of people protesting recently - the most i've seen in mass cop roundups was just under a thousand people, and they had to let nearly all of those go because they couldn't actually handle the paperwork, let alone the housing and food and security.

secondly, how do you tell those without paperwork from those that aren't required to carry paperwork? i know i don't have a green card.

third, doing so would certainly result in a mass riot - if not dozens. not that i don't think a good solid riot would be a positive thing, but the powers that be wouldn't. plus, mass arrests of immigrants assures that people of my political persuasion will start attacking ins buildings. again.

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