Public Service Announcement: Griefing is now Legal
Daistallia 2104
13-04-2006, 04:40
Since some players here may not be aware of the recent rule change and no one has mentioned it in General, I though it might be nice to let everyone know.
Invasion Rules
With the introduction of Regional Influence, our rules governing "Invasion Griefing" are abolished.
That means we no longer have complicated rules dictating, for example, how many residents a Delegate can eject before the moderators consider it illegal "griefing." Delegates need not worry about whether they are allowed to eject, ban, or password-protect—instead, if the game lets you do them, they're legal.
This removes a major source of angst and uncertainty for players and moderators alike. In the past, some players didn't even know there were rules about ejecting nations until after they'd broken them. Even experienced players (and moderators!) sometimes found it difficult to separate genuine invasions from region griefing. We're very glad to be able to put this situation behind us.
http://www.nationstates.net/pages/influence.html
This means it is now entierly legal for other countries to steal your region. Please take the appropriate precautions...
Daistallia 2104
13-04-2006, 04:42
Also, if you have question, comments, complaints, etc., please dircet them here:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=477177
Monkeypimp
13-04-2006, 04:43
But due to the new rules, it should be hard for them without the right influence..
Potarius
13-04-2006, 04:46
I honestly don't give a shit. I can just make my own region if they take my current one. :p
Edit: What the hell...? How did I get warp from General to here? This is freaky.
Katganistan
13-04-2006, 04:47
Wrong. GRIEFING is not legal. Griefing is still illegal.
Invasion Griefing, however, has become defunct because of the new rules.
Daistallia 2104
13-04-2006, 04:52
But due to the new rules, it should be hard for them without the right influence..
Well, the invasion rules are all based on UN membership and endorsements, so influance is too. There are only 29,578 UN members, and 111,043 nations. As I understand it, it's entierly possible for a single UN nation to walk into a region that's not password protected and has no UN members and a dead founder, and simply take it over.
Daistallia 2104
13-04-2006, 04:55
Wrong. GRIEFING is not legal. Griefing is still illegal.
Invasion Griefing, however, has become defunct because of the new rules.
Another mod disagrees...
Yes. (http://www.nationstates.net/page=display_region/region=pacific_northwest) If you can get away with it, griefing is now legal.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10747218&postcount=109
Daistallia 2104
13-04-2006, 04:57
Edit: What the hell...? How did I get warp from General to here? This is freaky.
Exactly. It serves no purpose here. I posted it in General for a good reason. Generalites often don't see these sorts of things.
Exodus Promoters
13-04-2006, 05:00
griefing is legal now.
Daistallia 2104
13-04-2006, 05:07
Would the moderator who moved this (or some other moderator) kindly return it to the General Forum.
The Most Glorious Hack
13-04-2006, 05:23
Another mod disagrees...Sigh. Goober is NOT a Moderator.
Frisbeeteria
13-04-2006, 05:24
Another mod disagrees...
Originally Posted by Goobergunchia
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10747218&postcount=109
Goobergunchia is sysop at NSwiki, a third-party off-site NS-related site. He's also a really helpful player and a nice guy. However, he's not a mod here.
Daistallia 2104
13-04-2006, 05:34
Apologies, my bad.
Since some players here may not be aware of the recent rule change and no one has mentioned it in General, I though it might be nice to let everyone know.
http://www.nationstates.net/pages/influence.html
This means it is now entierly legal for other countries to steal your region. Please take the appropriate precautions...
meh, this country probably won't last very long. My first one was deleted...and I believe you were the one who reported me. :rolleyes:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=477214
DrunkenDove
13-04-2006, 05:55
As I understand it, it's entierly possible for a single UN nation to walk into a region that's not password protected and has no UN members and a dead founder, and simply take it over.
You are incorrect. The invading nation would have to become the UN delegate, which means that at least one other UN nation in that region would have to endorse them.
Even then, they will be unable to password protect the region for a long time, giving established nations time to mount a counter-attack.
Goobergunchia
13-04-2006, 06:24
*sigh* Do I really have to bring back the "Not a Moderator" tags?
Also, to clarify, I'm just really used to referring to "region griefing" as "griefing" for short, and it was applicable in context (and I was somewhat irritated about what happened to Pacific Northwest). Griefing does have a broader definition from the FAQ:
Also prohibited is the practice of "griefing." Griefing is playing with the primary aim of annoying or upsetting other people. If you do this, the game moderators may take action against you.
But every colloquial utterance from me shouldn't be perceived as something from On High. Because it isn't.
The Liberal Unitary Republic of Goobergunchia
Founder, Democratic Underground region
Nasicournian Officer
ADN Advisor
NSwiki Administrator
Non-Moderator
Katganistan
13-04-2006, 06:28
*hugs*
Still love ya, though, Goobs. :)
Since some players here may not be aware of the recent rule change and no one has mentioned it in General, I though it might be nice to let everyone know.
http://www.nationstates.net/pages/influence.html
This means it is now entierly legal for other countries to steal your region. Please take the appropriate precautions...
It sounds like either:
A. You haven't actually read how the new system works in its entirety...
or
B. Don't understand how the new system works in its entirety...
It has ALWAYS been "legal" for other countries to "steal your region".... Influence removes the end need for "greifing" rules, because a NEW invader delegate will not possess enough "influence" to eject whole blocks of natives... Since they "use up" influence every time they eject...
Kryozerkia
13-04-2006, 14:51
Wrong. GRIEFING is not legal. Griefing is still illegal.
Invasion Griefing, however, has become defunct because of the new rules.
And it ought to stay that way.
It was a bad idea to implement it in the first place.
Sdaeriji
13-04-2006, 15:08
*hugs*
Still love ya, though, Goobs. :)
Maybe you guys could just make him a Moderator, since everyone just assumes he is anyway. :D
At any rate, it's still quite easy to defend your region. The Founder trumps all, always. Make sure your region has a Founder, and you're all set. Especially if he bars the UN delegate from the regional control and sets a regional password. My region is a fortress of four nations.