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Do extraterrestrials exist? Extraterrestrials being defined as lifeforms not of nor originating from the planet Earth.

Do extraterrestrials exist? Extraterrestrials being defined as lifeforms not of nor originating from the planet Earth.
Yes.

This is sweet.

Probably. I think it's possible they've visited Earth - who knows? - but am not convinced by the evidence presented in favor of that position.

Words of wisdom.

The surest sign intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that so far none of them have tried to contact us.

Of course. Where do you think Michael Jackson comes from?

Of course. Where do you think Michael Jackson comes from?

Innsmouth, Massachussetts

I say probably not, but I'm not willing to rule them out completely.

I'm pretty sure there is other life out there somewhere, given how big the universe is it seems rather arrogant to claim that earth is the only place with life, like a "the universe revolves around us" level of arrogance. As for alien beigns visiting us maybe maybe not don't know.

Innsmouth, Massachussetts
Exactly. And Massachussetts is worlds apart from the rest of Earth. ;P

i voted that they do exist and that they've been here, took pictures, drank an imported beer, and bought the kiddies a tshirt or two.

they are returning next year for a family vacation at the jersey shore, im meeting them for a probe and a pancake :p

Do extraterrestrials exist? Extraterrestrials being defined as lifeforms not of nor originating from the planet Earth.

No doubt there exist bacteriae elsewhere in this universe.

No doubt there exist bacteriae elsewhere in this universe.Why is there no doubt of this?

Why is there no doubt of this?

Looking at the bacteriae on earth we know specimens that can survive in regions like the polar ice caps, up to the inside of vulcanoes. In this vast, vast universe I see no reason why something so simple yet naturally adabtable would not exist elsewhere too.

That is just awful! :eek:

Shit like that will get the mods attention on you though.
It wouldn't be the first time. I got banned recently for 4 days because I repeatedly used this smilie: :upyours:

Might wanna remove that picture before they ban you. Not that that will necessarily help.

I like to do a little math experiment. Lets assume that one out of every thousand planets have conditions that might make them able to support life. (A rather conservative estimate.)

Each star has an average of 3 planets in orbit. There are around 100 billion stars in our galaxy, and estimates place the number of galaxies in the universe as over 100 billion. So 100 billion times 100 billion times 3 divided by 1000 is still rather rediculously high. That's a lot of planets. I'd imagine quite a few of them "Got lucky"

That is just awful! :eek:

Shit like that will get the mods attention on you though.
permban i believe

I believe some life exists..and i think they have visited..not in the space ships..but on like chunks of rock...like the thing in antartica several years back.

wow...i smell a permban...god speed

Hell, I don't plan on reporting. Just have to hope a mod doesn't wander in here. NS needs as many personalities as possible. Keep life interesting.

Anyway there very well may be aliens out there but I hardly think they'd waste their time coming to this dump of a planet.

Really, the thought that lightspeed might not be controvertable depresses me. I have to hope that some day we'll reach for the stars and get there sooner than four years.

Due to the size of the universe, it's very unlikely that there is no form of life at all elsewhere. Many scientists even believe the first lifeforms on Earth probably could have come from an asteroid crashing on Earth, even if that's just a theory.

Intelligent life is much more complex, and it required a lot of luck for it to exist on Earth. But even for that, the universe is so vast, that it would not surprise me.

Now, for visiting us... well, honestly, I think the "proofs" shown by some are just bullshit. If ET wanted to visit us without us knowing, we would very likely have no proof at all. Having a technological level required to travel interstellar distances but at the same time not being able to cloak from amateur photographs sounds ridiculous for me. So well, I can't be sure they never visited us, but I'm pretty if they did, and wanted us to not see them, we will never know it.

On the good point, I also tend to believe that if a race survived long enough to travel to so long distance, they probably are not too violent, or else they'll have blown themselves in a nuclear armagedon as we nearly did.

I put "other"; I think extraterrestrials are very likely (almost definitely) to exist, but I doubt very much they visit us - all that space. They probably wouldn't be interested (providing they can feel interest) in us; to something that can travel 100s, possibly 1000s, of lightyears we'll look like little more than bacteria do to us.

Any of you remember that the mars rovers died for a while after they landed and were only supposed to last a brief period of time? Suddenly, they came back online and the lil buggers are still goin' strong. Probably means nothing, I just think it's nifty. :)
There's the possibility of former water and bacterial residue on mars ("rock eating" bacteria) and that's just in our solar system. Multiply that by infinite (if you want to employ string theory) and you have alien life.

Weather or not they've visited... eh. Would you want to go to another planet and probe someone? wait... don't answer that.

jesus was an alien (im talking about the jesus in the bible, not the illegal alien jesus from mexico (two different people))from another planet that found out that his species could do things humans couldt. such as walk on water, turn water into wine, heal people, take severe beatings, and pretending to be dead and disapearing for three days before reappearing to go back to his home world.

he used brain waves to tell mary she was pregnant and shrunk himself down to microscopic size to live and regrow inside of her for 9 months.

and if you didnt think i was crazy enough, theres more. John the baptist was also in on it, but he was from a different world

There's probably other life in our solar system.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4895358.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2284852.stm

Whether there's intelligent life out there is another matter. I wouldn't be surprised, but I don't expect any confirmed contact between us and them in my llifetime. Have they visited us? I doubt it.

jesus was an alien (im talking about the jesus in the bible, not the illegal alien jesus from mexico (two different people))from another planet that found out that his species could do things humans couldt.

Maybe. The "God" of Judeo-Christian religions is by definition an extraterrestrial after all, so arguably the same is true for His son.

I don't really know. Stuck in the middle, perhaps leaning ever-so slightly towards no.

Do extraterrestrials exist? Extraterrestrials being defined as lifeforms not of nor originating from the planet Earth.
i think its highly probable given the size of the universe and the range of habitats possible for the formation of life... though, in the words of Spock "life (Jim) but not as we know it".
assuming that this planet is the only one in the universe containing life is very small-minded and narrow thinking imho. i mean how fucking huge is the universe?

as for whether they've visited earth: i highly, highly doubt that.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2284852.stm


awesome. send a probe!

assuming that this planet is the only one in the universe containing life is very small-minded and narrow thinking imho. i mean how fucking huge is the universe?
About half the size of Czardas's ego.

Before I answer I have to ask the following questions:

1. Are you a psychiatrist?
2. Do you know any psychiatrists?
3. Do you know how to contact psychiatrists?


If you answer no to all of the above my answer would be.

MEEP MEEP.. really though can you honestly say from your own personal 100% known information say where you came from or where you are right now.


Reality abducted ME!

I've had run ins with 'greys' and a 'pryingmantis' like alien also potential very small 'odd' aliens that look like spiders.. but they may just be a native species.. but they are weird.

Holograms are posible too.. I honestly can't say I have seen what I have seen, I just don't know and it is not like I've had their life stories or anything.

They call you skitzophernic and shove a needle up your az when you don't fit the factual basis for life.

Greys feel allot more cold and 'fake'
mantis feel compasionate and concerned.

It is stated that the fact we've seen no intelligent life attempt to contact us proves their nonexistence--called the Fermi paradox, I believe--but it's rather faulty logic. In all probability, any sentient life other than our own would not be able to recognize us for what we are, or at least not to the point of being able to contact us. Though it is likely due to the law of averages that there are other humanoid sentient life forms, they are probably so far away--other galaxies, more than likely--that we'd never even know.

Frankly, due to the complexity of sentient life, it is likely that there are not any close enough to even think about visiting us unless they have technology to build wormholes or otherwise warp space. And if they have that, we're probably far too primative, even for the novelty aspect. Hell, for all we know, we're being watched over by a Galactic Federation. I, however, doubt the possibility of that.

As much as I'd love for Star Trek type races to be everywhere, it's simply not going to happen. ~_~

It is stated that the fact we've seen no intelligent life attempt to contact us proves their nonexistence

Or in fact is evidence for their intelligence.

In my mind, the universe is far too fucking big for Earth to be the only life-supporting planet.

Or in fact is evidence for their intelligence.
Frankly, I find arguments like that to be idiotic at best. The human race is hardly a gaggle of giggling idiots. We simply still possess instincts. Any other sentient race would as well. Acting as if we're the only ones who'd still be subject to instinct is just as stupid and arrogant as acting as though we're the only sentient race in the multiverse.

Frankly, I find arguments like that to be idiotic at best. The human race is hardly a gaggle of giggling idiots. We simply still possess instincts. Any other sentient race would as well. Acting as if we're the only ones who'd still be subject to instinct is just as stupid and arrogant as acting as though we're the only sentient race in the multiverse.

If I remeber my philosophy course correctly, there is no doubt we are not the only sentient species in the universe. Other primates are considered to be sentient enough that they are extremely hard to get ethical approval to experiment on, and that classification of "sentience" can be carried further to other vertebrates, depending on who you ask. :)

Frankly, I find arguments like that to be idiotic at best. The human race is hardly a gaggle of giggling idiots.

And how exactly do you know if the aliens agree with that assessment ?

And how exactly do you know if the aliens agree with that assessment ?
Indeed. Any extraterrestrial race sufficiently advanced to make contact with us probably thinks we're rather backward.

Do extraterrestrials exist? Extraterrestrials being defined as lifeforms not of nor originating from the planet Earth.

Well, even by the most pessimistic reasonable estimates, it's highly likely that there is extraterrestrial life. However, the probability that humans will ever have contact with intelligent extraterrestrial life seems to be so low as to approach zero.

And just for people's reading pleasure, if you're interested and are not familiar with it, read up on the Drake Equation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation
http://www.unmuseum.org/alone.htm
http://www.activemind.com/Mysterious/Topics/SETI/drake_equation.html
http://www.angelfire.com/indie/anna_jones1/drake.html
http://www.station1.net/DouglasJones/drake.htm

If you consider:

Any civilization capable of interstellar travel (in any form we could comprehend) would be infinitely technologically superior.
If they are even vaguely like us, the history of what happens when civilizations of disparate technologies collide is particularly grim for the less advanced.


I'm hoping we can stay below the radar for a bit. Just in case whoever happens to be out there is not so enlightened as we might hope.

It's a very big universe. I think it's nearly certain that there is life out there, and very likely that some of it is intellegent. Whether it's ever come to Earth is debatable. I frequently joke that they've been here and decided there is no intellegent life down here. Another possibility is that they may be studying us, much like we might study a tribe of aborigines.

If you consider:

Any civilization capable of interstellar travel (in any form we could comprehend) would be infinitely technologically superior.
If they are even vaguely like us, the history of what happens when civilizations of disparate technologies collide is particularly grim for the less advanced.


I'm hoping we can stay below the radar for a bit. Just in case whoever happens to be out there is not so enlightened as we might hope.

One difference, besides their state of enlightenment, is that we probably don't have anything they want. Our civilizations wanted land; they might already have all they need. We wanted resources; they probably don't need the same resouces we do, and what they do need they might get elsewhere. And they probably have robots for labor and don't need slaves.

Or I might be wrong about the above, and they'll blow the planet up for laughs. :p

If you consider:
Any civilization capable of interstellar travel (in any form we could comprehend) would be infinitely technologically superior.

Generally, yeah, but maybe not in all ways.

If they are even vaguely like us, the history of what happens when civilizations of disparate technologies collide is particularly grim for the less advanced.


In human civilisation, yes. They may well be different.

I'm certain one of myneighbors is from another planet.

"One of the best proofs of the existance of extraterestrial life is the fact that none of them ever bothered to visit us."

Calvin

"One of the best proofs of the existance of extraterestrial life is the fact that none of them ever bothered to visit us."

Calvin
The next time anyone says anything along those lines, I'll...

Shake them warmly by the hand, and congratulate them on an original and witty post.

This has proberly been said before but there are more stars in the galaxy than there are grains of sand on this entire planet. So just one star with one planet that has life is impossible as there are tens of billions of stars and hundreds of billions planets and a very few of those simlar to this planet.

So to rule out Extraterrestrials is almost Impossible.

I had to say "probably" because, as people have mentioned, the odds of life not existing elsewhere is phenomenally remote. But there is that CHANCE that there isn't life out there.
Since I haven't seen any sort of solid proof, I'll just say that they probably exist. 99.99%.

Looking at the bacteriae on earth we know specimens that can survive in regions like the polar ice caps, up to the inside of vulcanoes. In this vast, vast universe I see no reason why something so simple yet naturally adabtable would not exist elsewhere too.True, but the theory of biogenesis isn't nearly as recognized by scientists as the theory of evolution is, so it's possible that Earth has something to generate life that other planets wouldn't have.

I’m guessing that it’s mathematically arrogant to say that we’re the only life in the Universe, let alone our own Galaxy, and from what we’ve been seeing let alone our own Solar System. Is there other life out there? Yes, it seems impossible that Earth is the only place where life found a way. I remember the formula from my Astronomy class that was used to express the odds of life elsewhere. Is there intelligent life out there right now on other planets creating civilizations of their own? This is where the real debate should start.

Even if life on other worlds manages to evolve into beings that develop a tool using civilization, there are no guarantees they make it very far. They could easily destroy themselves before attaining space travel. They could easily have been destroyed by their environment before attaining space travel. There is also no guarantee that their world follows the same timeline of evolution that ours did. So you could have had a civilization of beings evolve on another planet but they have either already gone extinct millions or billions of years before we were flint knapping tools in the Stone Age or will evolve millions or billions of years after we are long gone.

The distances of space travel are very large obstacles to overcome just to have people dropping for the sheer joy of inserting anal probes in farmers for kicks. Wormholes are the current science fiction obsession to deal with long distance travel, since it’s been reasoned that it wouldn’t work any other way. The fact that we’re still in the infancy of space exploration having yet to have a generation of humans raised in space or on another world, it’s going to be a long time before we can really be said to have truly become a space faring species.

The other obstacle to becoming a space faring race is philosophy. Assuming a species evolves to the point of creating a civilization, who’s to say that they’re ideas will encourage exploration at all. Shortages of the resources that a space program requires in abundance could be enough to keep a species from ever going further than their own world. They might be missing key elements they need on their world or have their technologies based on completely different elements that don’t lend themselves to that kind of scientific endeavour. There really is a lot to get your head around when you consider this type of question.

The Bruce

From a theological perspective, I reckon this is sort of a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation for whatever deity may be in charge, if any. On one hand, if there is life elsewhere in the universe, then that calls into severe doubt the validity of earthly religions that fail to account for creation beyond this planet. But on the other hand, if there isn't, well, one might figure that his particular deity is horrendously inefficient, and suffers from extreme tunnel-vision, so to speak, for creating a universe of essentially unimaginable proportion, all for the sake of a single, blue-green marble, whose position and ultimate course are no more consequential than those of its innumerable, lifeless, celestial brethren.

For sure, it would be an awful waste of space.

About half the size of Czardas's ego.
Actually it's closer to 1/10^71 the size. :p

Wow, and here I thought there would have been more debate about this topic. Ah, well.

Wow, and here I thought there would have been more debate about this topic. Ah, well.
We need more crazy religious fundamentalists on this forum, to encourage debate on things like this.

Life appears to have existed on the earth since the crust cooled. If life was an extremely improbable event then one would expect a long time to go by between the formation of the earth and the appearance of life. This suggests that life could be very common throughout space. I think there is a good chance that life exists somewhere else in out own solar system. However, how common technologically advanced intelligent life would be is is hard to say. I would also think there is a very good chance that they wouldn't be interested in contacting us. Biologists might study insects but they generally don't try to talk to them.

Sure they exist. And many of them post on NS daily.

I agree with most of you: the Universe is so incredibly huge that the existence of life elsewhere is nearly impossible to deny. I don't think there's definitely life out there, but the probability's damn close to that.

I'm Catholic, but I don't think religion (at least from my point of view) has any conflict with the thought of extraterrestrial life.

An infinite universe...

It'd be a little arrogant to suppose there can be no life outside Earth.

I don't think they exist. I mean, it would probably take forever to get here. I am speaking of universe proportions here. OH, and for any aliens who are gonna invade Earth and take over: :upyours: This planet is all we got!

If we do meet aliens, they probably will be VERY VERY advanced against us.:gundge:

I don't think they exist. I mean, it would probably take forever to get here. I am speaking of universe proportions here. OH, and for any aliens who are gonna invade Earth and take over: :upyours: This planet is all we got!

If we do meet aliens, they probably will be VERY VERY advanced against us.:gundge:
What does the time to get to Earth have to do with the existence of aliens elsewhere in the Universe? It takes us a long time to travel through space, due to our current technology level and understanding of physics. Human science is nowhere near to explaining how everything in the Universe works, but we don't know about the knowledge other species might have.

I think they do exist and probably have been here but I'm not about to go sit in the middle of a forest or a desert listening to a CB radio trying to pick them up or someone who thinks aliens abduct and anally probe people.

What does the time to get to Earth have to do with the existence of aliens elsewhere in the Universe? It takes us a long time to travel through space, due to our current technology level and understanding of physics. Human science is nowhere near to explaining how everything in the Universe works, but we don't know about the knowledge other species might have.
"Understanding of physics"? How's about the speed of light? Nothing that could carry any kind of being can break it, and even if such travel were possible, why the hell would those who can do it come here?

Seriously, there are no UFOs. Let's put the toys away and do some growin' up you ET freaks.

An infinite universe...

It'd be a little arrogant to suppose there can be no life outside Earth.
Why?

Well, the perception -- outside those whose brains turned to clam sauce in the 60s -- is that no aliens exist. The universe only appears infinite. What we see in telescopes represents light that took nigh on forever just getting here. It isn't arrogance to accept impossibility.

Innsmouth, Massachussetts

ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!

Perhaps there is a little confusion over aliens existing versus aliens visiting earth.

Aliens existing = extremely likely somewhere in this big 'ol universe.

Aliens visiting earth = pretty unlikely (My apologies to all of you who have been abducted.)

Why?

Well, the perception -- outside those whose brains turned to clam sauce in the 60s -- is that no aliens exist. The universe only appears infinite. What we see in telescopes represents light that took nigh on forever just getting here. It isn't arrogance to accept impossibility.

How is it an impossibility? If the universe isn't infinite, it's certainly vast enough that it's much more unlikely there's no life outside Earth. It doesn't have to be intelligent life, just some form of it. I think the perception you mention just stems from anthropocentric tendencies.

"Understanding of physics"? How's about the speed of light? Nothing that could carry any kind of being can break it, and even if such travel were possible, why the hell would those who can do it come here?

Seriously, there are no UFOs. Let's put the toys away and do some growin' up you ET freaks.
Yes, understanding. Our planet was flat and the center of the universe 500+ years ago. It was the widely accepted truth. And then came Galileo, who proved that was incorrect.

Galileo's theories and knowledge were trascended by Newton's, which were trascended by Einstein's. Science is always discovering new things, so it's just a matter of time before someone trascends Einstein.

I find it much easier to believe in the existence of extraterrestrials than in religious deities...

The odds of other forms of intelligent life existing in the universe are so high that it's a virtual certainty that they exist. Now, have they visited earth before? A lot of evidence says yes, though I am not sure.

Might wanna remove that picture before they ban you. Not that that will necessarily help.

I like to do a little math experiment. Lets assume that one out of every thousand planets have conditions that might make them able to support life. (A rather conservative estimate.)

Each star has an average of 3 planets in orbit. There are around 100 billion stars in our galaxy, and estimates place the number of galaxies in the universe as over 100 billion. So 100 billion times 100 billion times 3 divided by 1000 is still rather rediculously high. That's a lot of planets. I'd imagine quite a few of them "Got lucky"
That's called the Drake Equation (http://www.pbs.org/lifebeyondearth/listening/drake.html).

Of course there are extraterrestrials. Whether or not they're anywhere near our stellar system and if they're anything like us is the real question.

Did anyone see that "Alien Planet" program on the Discovery channel?

Numbers alone prove the existants of E.T.s. But have they visited Earth? Hell no!

Did anyone see that "Alien Planet" program on the Discovery channel?
Awesome show. I have it on DVD.

Yes, they exist and yes they ahve visited. I have witnessed it with my own eyes. I saw a UFO change shape... then a vortex opened up in the sky and the ship flew right into it and then the vortex closed behind it.

The other two times I saw UFO's, there was a chance that they were govt. ships, because they didnt do anything as spectacular as that.

Plus there is NASA satellite footage of a ship orbiting earth dodging what looks like some sort of laser fire coming from the Earth.

There is also something called the Disclosure Project where hundreds of govt. officials testify before Congress about govt. interaction with alien spacecraft and related stuff.

Yes, they exist and yes they ahve visited. I have witnessed it with my own eyes. I saw a UFO change shape... then a vortex opened up in the sky and the ship flew right into it and then the vortex closed behind it.

The other two times I saw UFO's, there was a chance that they were govt. ships, because they didnt do anything as spectacular as that.

Plus there is NASA satellite footage of a ship orbiting earth dodging what looks like some sort of laser fire coming from the Earth.

There is also something called the Disclosure Project where hundreds of govt. officials testify before Congress about govt. interaction with alien spacecraft and related stuff.
You know, there's this book, about sleep paralsis. Basically, it's a natural occurence where you wake up and can't move, because your brain isn't completly awake. It takes about a minute to wear off. In rare cases, it can cause hallucination (you can have fine mental health, but it just will). Most UFO abductees probably really had sleep paralysis. If it was at night, it's possible you had this sleep paralsis, and hallucinated that you got out of bed and saw a UFO warp.

Awesome show. I have it on DVD.

I only saw the last 40 minutes or so :( ...
Great stuff though :)

Yes, they exist and yes they ahve visited. I have witnessed it with my own eyes. I saw a UFO change shape... then a vortex opened up in the sky and the ship flew right into it and then the vortex closed behind it.

What makes you sure it was extraterrestrial? Are you sure it wasn't a trick of the light? What distance from you was it?
That must've been pretty cool to watch though:cool:

"Understanding of physics"? How's about the speed of light? Nothing that could carry any kind of being can break it, and even if such travel were possible, why the hell would those who can do it come here?

Well.. technically one could do quite a lot with wormholes; which also solves the little time dilation problem one has when one travels at lightspeed (it is nice if your homeworld hasn't aged a few million years while you were away).

However, members of a civilisation advanced enough to be able to actually use wormholes in this manner would be best described using the word "gods".

Well.. technically one could do quite a lot with wormholes; which also solves the little time dilation problem one has when one travels at lightspeed (it is nice if your homeworld hasn't aged a few million years while you were away).

However, members of a civilisation advanced enough to be able to actually use wormholes in this manner would be best described using the word "gods".
Actually, it doesn't. You still get time dilation. Read Steve Hawkings "Briefer History of Time."

What makes you sure it was extraterrestrial? Are you sure it wasn't a trick of the light? What distance from you was it?
That must've been pretty cool to watch though:cool:


Well the ship hovered above me for about 2 minutes (and was very slow to where I could see detail of the ship as it transformed). It was a very clear night in Northern Utah and when the vortex opened up in space (it was up and to the right of the ship) the ship started moving toward the vortex slowly for a few seconds and then zipped thru it leaving a streak behind it.

I use my eyes a lot to look at things and am 100% sure that it wasn't a trick of light. Usually tricks of light are "iffy", but this wasn't iffy at all.

Well the ship hovered above me for about 2 minutes (and was very slow to where I could see detail of the ship as it transformed). It was a very clear night in Northern Utah and when the vortex opened up in space (it was up and to the right of the ship) the ship started moving toward the vortex slowly for a few seconds and then zipped thru it leaving a streak behind it.

I use my eyes a lot to look at things and am 100% sure that it wasn't a trick of light. Usually tricks of light are "iffy", but this wasn't iffy at all.
But nobody else saw it? Somebody had to of. Read my post about sleep paralsis. It might explain some things.

You know, there's this book, about sleep paralsis. Basically, it's a natural occurence where you wake up and can't move, because your brain isn't completly awake. It takes about a minute to wear off. In rare cases, it can cause hallucination (you can have fine mental health, but it just will). Most UFO abductees probably really had sleep paralysis. If it was at night, it's possible you had this sleep paralsis, and hallucinated that you got out of bed and saw a UFO warp.


It's a nice theory and you can believe that if you want to but where did I mention anythign about seeing this after getting out of bed. I remember that whole day clearly.

It's a nice theory and you can believe that if you want to but where did I mention anythign about seeing this after getting out of bed. I remember that whole day clearly.
How big was it? If it was very big, someone else should have seen it.

But nobody else saw it? Somebody had to of. Read my post about sleep paralsis. It might explain some things.


Why would somebody else had to of seen it? Noone was around, I was the only one outside as all my friends were inside. I tried to call for them to come out but noone heard me. After the UFO disappeared, I went in to tell everyone and noone believed me.

Oh well, I know what I saw and I know it wasnt a hallucination. I blink and rubbed my eyes... looked away and back up at it and it remained constant.

Why would somebody else had to of seen it? Noone was around, I was the only one outside as all my friends were inside. I tried to call for them to come out but noone heard me. After the UFO disappeared, I went in to tell everyone and nBoone believed me.

Oh well, I know what I saw and I know it wasnt a hallucination. I blink and rubbed my eyes... looked away and back up at it and it remained constant.
Can you desribe the UFO to me?

How big was it? If it was very big, someone else should have seen it.


It was about the size of an f-16

Actually, it doesn't. You still get time dilation. Read Steve Hawkings "Briefer History of Time."

Not necessarily - one could theoretically even come out of a wormhole at an earlier date then one entered.
However, the practical implementation of a wormhole system is "slightly" more complex than many scifi movies and series show. One needs to be able to move around decently sized black holes for example.

Why would somebody else had to of seen it? Noone was around, I was the only one outside as all my friends were inside. I tried to call for them to come out but noone heard me. After the UFO disappeared, I went in to tell everyone and noone believed me.

Oh well, I know what I saw and I know it wasnt a hallucination. I blink and rubbed my eyes... looked away and back up at it and it remained constant.

You weren't having a night drinking with your friends were you?

It was about the size of an f-16
Oh, I thought it was something like a Star Destroyer or something. Are you sure it couldn't of been some kind of military craft that hit it's engines hard and kinda made some kind hurt your eyes with exhaust fumes? And, not to be rude, but could you have been drunk?

Not necessarily - one could theoretically even come out of a wormhole at an earlier date then one entered.
However, the practical implementation of a wormhole system is "slightly" more complex than many scifi movies and series show. One needs to be able to move around decently sized black holes for example.
Sorry, just messed myself up. It's even worse: you could end up in the Stone Ages.

Can you desribe the UFO to me?


Sure - it was the shape and size of a regular f-16 with one red light and one blue light (both blinking like one would expect) as it made its way straight towards me from the horizon. As it approaced it slowed down until it was stopped and hovering directly above me. I saw the wings and tail fold in as new and different colored lights started appearing all over it, blinking as well. It transformed into a shape that was a lot like the craft on Flight of the Navigator. As it finished a vortex twisted open in space distorting the stars behind it. It slowly moved toward the vortex and then shot right thru the middle and the vortex closed.

when one considers the size of the universe... how many planets there are... it's hard for me to imagine that no other planets sustain intelligent life.

Sure - it was the shape and size of a regular f-16 with one red light and one blue light (both blinking like one would expect) as it made its way straight towards me from the horizon. As it approaced it slowed down until it was stopped and hovering directly above me. I saw the wings and tail fold in as new and different colored lights started appearing all over it, blinking as well. It transformed into a shape that was a lot like the craft on Flight of the Navigator. As it finished a vortex twisted open in space distorting the stars behind it. It slowly moved toward the vortex and then shot right thru the middle and the vortex closed.C'mon? If there was an alien who found you, it would probably kill you so no one knew what happened.

You weren't having a night drinking with your friends were you?


Nope, but no matter how much I have ever drank I have never hallucinated. Have you?

Nope, but no matter how much I have ever drank I have never hallucinated. Have you?

Not hallucinated, but it could alter perception - even at relatively low levels. What was the nearest airbase?

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There probably is some sort of other lifeform out in the Universe. Astronomers have found other planetary systems that revolve around stars similar to our sun. If they have found things like that, then there's bound to be some type of life out there.

Oh, I thought it was something like a Star Destroyer or something. Are you sure it couldn't of been some kind of military craft that hit it's engines hard and kinda made some kind hurt your eyes with exhaust fumes? And, not to be rude, but could you have been drunk?


lol no it was small.

The vortex opened while it hovered so I dont think that it was distortion from the engines. Nothing hurt my eyes though. And no I wasn't drunk, and I have never hallucinated while drunk. Have you?

lol no it was small.

The vortex opened while it hovered so I dont think that it was distortion from the engines. Nothing hurt my eyes though. And no I wasn't drunk, and I have never hallucinated while drunk. Have you?
Well, I don't drink. What I'm betting it was is some kind of new military vehicle, or something. I dunna about the warp, though.

Not hallucinated, but it could alter perception - even at relatively low levels. What was the nearest airbase?

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Well my thinking was extreemely clear as was my vision.

The nearest airbase I believe is the equivalent of AREA 51 here in Vegas. A highly gaurded air base where secret things go on.

In that same area, up in the mountains, I had some friends video tape some really strange phenomenon that I can't even describe without writing a freakign book about it. He sent the tape into that show Sightings and nt even amonth later his house burned to the ground while noone was there.

Well my thinking was extreemely clear as was my vision.

The nearest airbase I believe is the equivalent of AREA 51 here in Vegas. A highly gaurded air base where secret things go on.

In that same area, up in the mountains, I had some friends video tape some really strange phenomenon that I can't even describe without writing a freakign book about it. He sent the tape into that show Sightings and nt even amonth later his house burned to the ground while noone was there.Than it's almost definatly government. Could you please try and describe what he saw without going on forever?

Well, I don't drink. What I'm betting it was is some kind of new military vehicle, or something. I dunna about the warp, though.

I guess it's a possibility but I highly doubt it. I would suspect that something so advanced would not be used over highly populated cities.

It seems small-minded to say they don't exist. It seems idiotic to expect them to travel for centuries simply to abduct the odd hillbilly.

I guess it's a possibility but I highly doubt it. I would suspect that something so advanced would not be used over highly populated cities.
I think that, if it's real, it's definatly military. Why would aliens spend thousands of years getting from their home to Earth? Or, they would go backwards in time if they used a warp.

I think that, if it's real, it's definatly military. Why would aliens spend thousands of years getting from their home to Earth? Or, they would go backwards in time if they used a warp.

If they could go through a vortex as described, time taken would not be a problem.

Well.. technically one could do quite a lot with wormholes; which also solves the little time dilation problem one has when one travels at lightspeed (it is nice if your homeworld hasn't aged a few million years while you were away).

However, members of a civilisation advanced enough to be able to actually use wormholes in this manner would be best described using the word "gods".
Gods? Hardly. The American pre-columbian civilizations welcomed the Spanish as living gods, amongst other reasons, due to their technological prowess. Nevertheless, they were far from being gods.

My point is that we'd probably react in a similar manner if we beheld such handling and manipulation of physics by an alien race, but describing them as "gods" is probably too much.

Than it's almost definatly government. Could you please try and describe what he saw without going on forever?

yeah I think what they taped was military too

ok but briefly as I have to leave for a clients...

These guys that video taped it were all about 16 and in a metal/punk band. They were up in the mountains drinking when they first saw it but had no video camera, so the next week they went up at the same time with one (and they also went back for a few weeks with it and captured more and more footage).

What I saw on the tapes:

You see this giant ball of golden light with a hole in the middle (just like a lifesaver - I can't judge size of the object), surrounding that there was what looked liek a force field of a paler light. Sometimes there was just one and sometimes there were several.

They would stay in one place as they pulsed (the pulse was the thing expanding to twice its size *same with the force field*). Sometimes they would pulse slowly and others fast. WHen there were multiple thingies, they would all pulse in unison.

On one of the tapes a bunch of tiny white lights came out of them and scoured the mountain tops and then came back t the main ship or whatever it was.

Ok, I gotta run. laterz

If they could go through a vortex as described, time taken would not be a problem.
Actually, it would. Read Steven Hawkings "A Briefer History of Time." Vortexs and worm holes are not as simple as science-fiction makes them out. If you go past the speed of light, you go back in time. There's no way around it.

Short answer: Probably.

With the immense size of the universe, the odds that no other planet with similar conditions to earth ever appeared are pretty low.

But if they exist, they're pretty damn far away and certainly haven't been to earth.

yeah I think what they taped was military too

ok but briefly as I have to leave for a clients...

These guys that video taped it were all about 16 and in a metal/punk band. They were up in the mountains drinking when they first saw it but had no video camera, so the next week they went up at the same time with one (and they also went back for a few weeks with it and captured more and more footage).

What I saw on the tapes:

You see this giant ball of golden light with a hole in the middle (just like a lifesaver - I can't judge size of the object), surrounding that there was what looked liek a force field of a paler light. Sometimes there was just one and sometimes there were several.

They would stay in one place as they pulsed (the pulse was the thing expanding to twice its size *same with the force field*). Sometimes they would pulse slowly and others fast. WHen there were multiple thingies, they would all pulse in unison.

On one of the tapes a bunch of tiny white lights came out of them and scoured the mountain tops and then came back t the main ship or whatever it was.

Ok, I gotta run. laterz
Wow...freaky.

It seems small-minded to say they don't exist. It seems idiotic to expect them to travel for centuries simply to abduct the odd hillbilly.

It's not just the hillbillies. I believe they also molest cows. ;)

Actually, it would. Read Steven Hawkings "A Briefer History of Time." Vortexs and worm holes are not as simple as science-fiction makes them out. If you go past the speed of light, you go back in time. There's no way around it.

But, if you APPROACH the speed of light, you condense space so you could travel between galaxies in, from your perspective, a very short time.

Just, if you ever went home...well...millions of years will have passed.

But, if you APPROACH the speed of light, you condense space so you could travel between galaxies in, from your perspective, a very short time.

Just, if you ever went home...well...millions of years will have passed.
Yes, but moving faster than light does the opposite.

Actually, it would. Read Steven Hawkings "A Briefer History of Time." Vortexs and worm holes are not as simple as science-fiction makes them out. If you go past the speed of light, you go back in time. There's no way around it.

If you could go faster than the speed of light. I mean wormholes like when they describe two points in the universe as two ends of a piece of paper, and instead of going a long journey across it, they bend the paper so both ends touch and just hop across.
I haven't read the book though and so my logic on it's probably a bit fuzzy.

If you could go faster than the speed of light. I mean wormholes like when they describe two points in the universe as two ends of a piece of paper, and instead of going a long journey across it, they bend the paper so both ends touch and just hop across.
I haven't read the book though and so my logic on it's probably a bit fuzzy.
You don't understand. You can't beat the laws. I know what you mean, I've seen my share of sci-fi. Yet, however, a wormhole, while relativly speeding up travel for the people inside the ship, is still affected by the rules of the universe. They will go back in time. I can't explain it to you, I'm no expert on these things, but it's true.

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I'm gonna have to read that book:)

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I'm gonna have to read that book:)
It's a good read, and is pretty short.

I think my cats are aliens and are trying to take over the world :)

I said maybe. It's very hard to estimate the number of planets in our galaxy that are capable of supporting life. You have to bear in mind that each star has a very small habitable zone around it, where the temperature is not too high or too low, then you need a 'super planet' in orbit to stabilise other planetary orbits (Jupiter does it for us), then the planets in the habitable zone have to have a reasonable gravitation field, and a magnetic field to deflect solar radiation that can boil off oceans, the planet has to have an atmosphere that is capable of sustaining life - oxygen, carbon dioxide, possible gaseous methane, life is very adaptable, then the star itself has to lie on one of the outer arms of the galaxy to minimise gravitational perturbations from other stars within gravitational reach, and to avoid galactic radiation from other stars. One supernova explosion is enough to wipe out all life on all planets within a significant radius - several hundred light years to be conservative. I suppose that there are other planets harbouring life within our galaxy (I'm not even going to go as far as estimating the universe, that's just crazy!), but it's highly unlikely (but not impossible) that there is intelligent life close by.

Actually, it would. Read Steven Hawkings "A Briefer History of Time." Vortexs and worm holes are not as simple as science-fiction makes them out. If you go past the speed of light, you go back in time. There's no way around it.


Actually, you'd technically travel FORWARD in time, as you'd get to a specific point before the light travelling to it could reach it, so you'd get to see this object before it's possible to see it.

I said maybe. It's very hard to estimate the number of planets in our galaxy that are capable of supporting life. You have to bear in mind that each star has a very small habitable zone around it, where the temperature is not too high or too low, then you need a 'super planet' in orbit to stabilise other planetary orbits (Jupiter does it for us), then the planets in the habitable zone have to have a reasonable gravitation field, and a magnetic field to deflect solar radiation that can boil off oceans, the planet has to have an atmosphere that is capable of sustaining life - oxygen, carbon dioxide, possible gaseous methane, life is very adaptable, then the star itself has to lie on one of the outer arms of the galaxy to minimise gravitational perturbations from other stars within gravitational reach, and to avoid galactic radiation from other stars. One supernova explosion is enough to wipe out all life on all planets within a significant radius - several hundred light years to be conservative. I suppose that there are other planets harbouring life within our galaxy (I'm not even going to go as far as estimating the universe, that's just crazy!), but it's highly unlikely (but not impossible) that there is intelligent life close by.

You could definately argue that you might need all this for intelligent life, but all you need for life itself is warm rock which is a bit damp. You don't even need an atmosphere. Life could exist in the crust of mars, under the ice of Europa and possibly in other places in our solar system. And although the galaxy can be a dangerous place, my feeling is that supernovas, gamma ray bursters, asteroid impacts and so on are not so dangerous to the evolution of intelligent life as many people currently seem to think. Valleys and caves will often allow species to surive such disasters and the earth has suffered many mass extinctions without the general level of complexity of life being noticably set back. However, this is of course just speculation on my part.

I do wonder if it's likely that intelligent life that is more technologically advanced than us would want to colonize the galaxy or contact us.

Of course. Where do you think Michael Jackson comes from?
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It is almost a certainty that there is life elsewhere in the universe, indeed in this galaxy. It is highly unlikely, however. that anyone has ever visited us. We have only been transmitting into space for 70 years, and cannot as yet even concieve of a practical means of interstallar travel. It could have happened, I just cant think how.