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Prick Cheney was chosen, for who knows what reason, to throw the opening pitch at the Washington Nationals Home opener today. He was roundly booed and jeered from the second he stepped on the field.

Video (http://movies.crooksandliars.com/0411dv_cheney_pi.mov)

He probably took it as a compliment.

It was a thing of beauty. I have no doubt that Cheney is beloved by MLB owners, since he's part of the slash-the-taxes-on-the-rich crowd, but the people of DC hate him.

god bless them every one.

this is about the only crowd cheney has appeared in front of that wasnt hand picked. he needs to know that the people dont love him.

That is so awesome.

http://www.donthaveacowman.com/Simpsons/Cards/Skybox-1/S-15.jpg

They should have been armed with tomatoes.

As much as I'd like to, I didn't hear any booing. Do you have a more reliable source?

I suppose Cheney must have cursed Washington's performance. :p

It's not good for the Nationals to have crossed Cheney so. Strong in the dark side Cheney is.

It was a thing of beauty. I have no doubt that Cheney is beloved by MLB owners, since he's part of the slash-the-taxes-on-the-rich crowd, but the people of DC hate him.

Psst... the reason why the rich get tax breaks is because the poor don't PAY taxes.
Seriously:
The average tax rate ranges from 2.9 percent of income for the bottom half of the earning spectrum to 24.3 percent for the top one percent.

The top 25% of earners shoulder 64.86% of the tax burden, where as the bottom 50% only pay 13.99%.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html
...I'm not even going to mention "who's rich"? I assure you that the cost of living is much higher in Manhattan than in Lost City, West Virginia. Whereas $50,000/year might be rich in WV, it's almost lower class in midtown.

Me? I would boo at a Nationals game too... :D

http://www.championshipplaques.com/images/MLB/OTHER/subway_series.jpg

People are missing the most important part of the game.





The New York Mets dominated 7-1, boosting their record to an impressive 5-1 to start the season, with their young players showing even more signs of brilliance.

And to Markreich, are you a Yankee or Mets fan? Cause you can't be both.

Psst... the reason why the rich get tax breaks is because the poor don't PAY taxes.
Seriously:
The average tax rate ranges from 2.9 percent of income for the bottom half of the earning spectrum to 24.3 percent for the top one percent.

The top 25% of earners shoulder 64.86% of the tax burden, where as the bottom 50% only pay 13.99%.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html
...I'm not even going to mention "who's rich"? I assure you that the cost of living is much higher in Manhattan than in Lost City, West Virginia. Whereas $50,000/year might be rich in WV, it's almost lower class in midtown.

Me? I would boo at a Nationals game too... :D

http://www.championshipplaques.com/images/MLB/OTHER/subway_series.jpg


Two good points. Well done!

...As much as I would have liked to see Cheney get booed I didn't. There was nothing but normal crowd noise picked up from camera microphones. Watch the Ashley Simpson superbowl video and you will hear booing. That is most certainly just a few individuals booing if anything picked up at all. Sorry to burst your bubble. Provide a video that doesn't sound normal.

And to Markreich, are you a Yankee or Mets fan? Cause you can't be both.

Yes, I can. Just so long as they don't play each other. ;)
Damn that inter-league play!!

Actually, I support all our NY teams: Giants/Jets, Yankees/Mets, Rangers/Sabres...
(What? Long Island who? :D )

Psst... the reason why the rich get tax breaks is because the poor don't PAY taxes.
Seriously:
The average tax rate ranges from 2.9 percent of income for the bottom half of the earning spectrum to 24.3 percent for the top one percent.

The top 25% of earners shoulder 64.86% of the tax burden, where as the bottom 50% only pay 13.99%.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html
...I'm not even going to mention "who's rich"? I assure you that the cost of living is much higher in Manhattan than in Lost City, West Virginia. Whereas $50,000/year might be rich in WV, it's almost lower class in midtown.

Me? I would boo at a Nationals game too... :D

http://www.championshipplaques.com/images/MLB/OTHER/subway_series.jpg
You know, I'm not a big "tax the rich" kinda guy, but this comparison has always bothered me. It's based on reported income which is a poor measure of real income. When you're rich you write off your cars, your phones, your TV sets, your boat, your lunches, your dinners, your trips to the strip club and none of this is reflected in your income as far as the IRS is concerned because you either have a personal corporation that pays for all of the luxuries you enjoy or you write off the drunken binge that started in Los Angeles and ended a day later in Vegas with the director of your latest flick as a business expense. I've done some accounting duties for two different movie directors when I was working as a directors assitant and both of them woudl save the reciept for the stop they made at Micky D's on the way home from bowling and later claim it as a business lunch.

They wouldn't be booing at him if had carried a shotgun out into the field

Yes, I can. Just so long as they don't play each other. ;)
Damn that inter-league play!!

Actually, I support all our NY teams: Giants/Jets, Yankees/Mets, Rangers/Sabres...
(What? Long Island who? :D )
Wait, but, but...its...

nooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

my...entire...world...view...is...shattering...

help...

You know, I'm not a big "tax the rich" kinda guy, but this comparison has always bothered me. It's based on reported income which is a poor measure of real income.

If you can come up with a better method, I'm sure the planet would be most interested...

When you're rich you write off your cars, your phones, your TV sets, your boat, your lunches, your dinners, your trips to the strip club and none of this is reflected in your income as far as the IRS is concerned because you either have a personal corporation that pays for all of the luxuries you enjoy or you write off the drunken binge that started in Los Angeles and ended a day later in Vegas with the director of your latest flick as a business expense. I've done some accounting duties for two different movie directors when I was working as a directors assitant and both of them woudl save the reciept for the stop they made at Micky D's on the way home from bowling and later claim it as a business lunch.

Fair enough, but that's more a self employed thing, not necessarily a rich one. One of my friends does IT consulting and does the exact same thing. However, being a bit on the lazy side, he isn't quite rich, either.
There is nothing that stops the poor from itemizing, you know. (Yes, I know someone will point out they may not have the education to, etc. Hey, there's only so much we can measure. Dollars earned is one. Personally, I'm all for a 13% flat tax with no deductions, but that's just me...)

Likewise, my waitress at my favorite watering hole doesn't report her tips, nor did the panhandler that made $60k in DC back in 1997 (he was later nailed for income tax evasion).

I'm not saying its the best system under the sun. But I *am* saying that liberals complaining about giving "tax breaks to the rich" is about as sensible as the conservatives that complain about medicare spending.

Well, thats cuz dick cheney is retarted.

Yes, I can. Just so long as they don't play each other. ;)
Damn that inter-league play!!

Actually, I support all our NY teams: Giants/Jets, Yankees/Mets, Rangers/Sabres...
(What? Long Island who? :D )

*sends bad mojo to Yankees*

Wait, but, but...its...

nooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

my...entire...world...view...is...shattering...

help...

LOL!
Hey, I'd be as happy to drink a Brooklyn with a Met as with a Yankee. It's all New York, so who cares so long as Boston and Philly lose? :)

*sends bad mojo to Yankees*

Rolls up the mojo, lights up and passes it on...

I'll never understand why New Yorkers will pick on each other when we can just piss off the rest of the country instead... :D

Rolls up the mojo, lights up and passes it on...

I'll never understand why New Yorkers will pick on each other when we can just piss off the rest of the country instead... :D

What do you expect with two baseball teams in one city? Rivalry.

*curses Yankee Stadium, making Yankee players strikeout and drop balls*

If you can come up with a better method, I'm sure the planet would be most interested... Sales tax, but that's not what I meant. The point to the statement is that your income as far as the IRS is concerned is your cashflow minus your writeoffs and for rich people those writeoffs can be quite considerable and in many cases be completely superfluous.



Fair enough, but that's more a self employed thing, not necessarily a rich one. One of my friends does IT consulting and does the exact same thing. However, being a bit on the lazy side, he isn't quite rich, either.
There is nothing that stops the poor from itemizing, you know. [./quote] The IRS does. When you're a gas station attendent your write offs stops at teh overalls you may have needed to buy. I godd example is your car. For both of the directors I worked for their car and teh mileage they drove were write offs because they were hired for different jobs at different places. I go to the same place everyday to work so I can't write off either. Why is it that you can write off yoru mileage and car paymenst if one day you drive to Paramount and another you drive to Universal but not if you drive to technicolor everyday? That amounts to HUGE saving on your taxes. car paymenst are no joke, especially for people at lower income levels. I need my car to get to work just as much as they need theirs.[quote](Yes, I know someone will point out they may not have the education to, etc. Hey, there's only so much we can measure. Dollars earned is one. Personally, I'm all for a 13% flat tax with no deductions, but that's just me...)So am I except that I'd like to see it in a sales tax.

Likewise, my waitress at my favorite watering hole doesn't report her tips, nor did the panhandler that made $60k in DC back in 1997 (he was later nailed for income tax evasion). And therein lies the difference. Your frinds can go to jail for that while it's completely legal for a rich person to write off a $10,000.00 vacation if they can come up with any reason at al why it's business related.

I'm not saying its the best system under the sun. But I *am* saying that liberals complaining about giving "tax breaks to the rich" is about as sensible as the conservatives that complain about medicare spending.Like I said, I'm not a big "tax the rich" kinda guy, but I certainly am not crying foul about the share of taxes they do pay.

As Jon Stewart pointed out, a larger proportion of dentists favor gum with sugar over sugar free gum than americans approve of Dick Cheney.

Sales tax, but that's not what I meant. The point to the statement is that your income as far as the IRS is concerned is your cashflow minus your writeoffs and for rich people those writeoffs can be quite considerable and in many cases be completely superfluous.


Sales tax would probably hurt the poor more than the rich: once you get into discresionary income, it's all grey -- the rich can simply afford to pay such a tax more, or avoid it by not buying. All that does is slow down the economy, since if the "rich" aren't buying, the "poor" almost certainly won't be either.


Fair enough, but that's more a self employed thing, not necessarily a rich one. One of my friends does IT consulting and does the exact same thing. However, being a bit on the lazy side, he isn't quite rich, either.
There is nothing that stops the poor from itemizing, you know.
The IRS does. When you're a gas station attendent your write offs stops at teh overalls you may have needed to buy. I godd example is your car. For both of the directors I worked for their car and teh mileage they drove were write offs because they were hired for different jobs at different places. I go to the same place everyday to work so I can't write off either. Why is it that you can write off yoru mileage and car paymenst if one day you drive to Paramount and another you drive to Universal but not if you drive to technicolor everyday? That amounts to HUGE saving on your taxes. car paymenst are no joke, especially for people at lower income levels. I need my car to get to work just as much as they need theirs.So am I except that I'd like to see it in a sales tax.

And therein lies the difference. Your frinds can go to jail for that while it's completely legal for a rich person to write off a $10,000.00 vacation if they can come up with any reason at al why it's business related.

Like I said, I'm not a big "tax the rich" kinda guy, but I certainly am not crying foul about the share of taxes they do pay.

It sounds to me that you begrudge specific individuals using writeoffs, not so much the idea that the poor don't actually pay very much in taxes proportionally.

As for your car example, you most certainly could. But you need to incorporate yourself into your own business and have the paychecks made out to your firm for your services.

As Jon Stewart pointed out, a larger proportion of dentists favor gum with sugar over sugar free gum than americans approve of Dick Cheney.

Hardy hardy ha... gotta love ole dick, wait no... i dont... despite me being from Australia i have followed American politics somewhat.

You guys cant really complain too much... u voted his boss in.......... a SECOND time... WTF?

Now how does that saying go?

Oh wait i remember... Fool me once shame on u... fool me twice shame on me
:headbang:

Oh wait i remember... Fool me once shame on u... fool me twice shame on me
:headbang:


No, in america that's not how the saying goes.

In america, it goes "fool me once, shame... shame on, ... you"
"fool me... uh... can't get fooled again!"

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/multimedia/foolbush.mov

No, in america that's not how the saying goes.

In america, it goes "fool me once, shame... shame on, ... you"
"fool me... uh... can't get fooled again!"

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/multimedia/foolbush.mov

Hehe LOL

Thats best thing about ur system...

Thank goodness he was nowhere near the Brewers.

It was a Nationals game, so the boo's might have been for them. :p

What do you expect with two baseball teams in one city? Rivalry.

*curses Yankee Stadium, making Yankee players strikeout and drop balls*

I only have one thing to say to that: http://spln.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pMLB2-2455714dt.jpg

I only have one thing to say to that: http://spln.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pMLB2-2455714dt.jpg

A new age it is! With the Red Sox victory the tables shall be turned. Perhaps the Red Sox breaking the curse will cause a simaltaneous curse to be placed on the Yankees? Perhaps the baseball gods have turned against them after their collapse in the ALCS. Go Red Sox!

http://cache.boston.com/images/bostondirtdogs//Headline_Archives/T110804TheJoyofSox.jpg

A new age people! Accept it! :)

You know, I'm not a big "tax the rich" kinda guy, but this comparison has always bothered me. It's based on reported income which is a poor measure of real income. When you're rich you write off your cars, your phones, your TV sets, your boat, your lunches, your dinners, your trips to the strip club and none of this is reflected in your income as far as the IRS is concerned because you either have a personal corporation that pays for all of the luxuries you enjoy or you write off the drunken binge that started in Los Angeles and ended a day later in Vegas with the director of your latest flick as a business expense. I've done some accounting duties for two different movie directors when I was working as a directors assitant and both of them woudl save the reciept for the stop they made at Micky D's on the way home from bowling and later claim it as a business lunch.
So what you're saying is that you want the rich to contribute an even greater percentage of the amount of revenue the government collects?

It sounds to me that you begrudge specific individuals using writeoffs, not so much the idea that the poor don't actually pay very much in taxes proportionally.

As for your car example, you most certainly could. But you need to incorporate yourself into your own business and have the paychecks made out to your firm for your services.
Of course, then you would be subject to the bullshit self-employment tax which uses perceived, not actual, earnings for said company, at least if it's an LLC, to tax, which taxes at a rate of 15.3%, but which when added to your actual income depending on the bracket of your LLC is anywhere from 25-35%. Especially since the income you recieve from your 'company' assuming it provides some product will be less than the actual, not perceived earnings.

Unless the service you provide is static, you don't want to expand, and the service itself is non-physical.

So what you're saying is that you want the rich to contribute an even greater percentage of the amount of revenue the government collects?

No, he's saying that the rich should pay for things that everybody else does.

No, he's saying that the rich should pay for things that everybody else does.
Which means he wants them to pay for a greater percentage overall, unless he wants to drastically reduce the tax burden, in which case they wouldn't attempt to 'hide' their income like they do in the first place.

A new age it is! With the Red Sox victory the tables shall be turned. Perhaps the Red Sox breaking the curse will cause a simaltaneous curse to be placed on the Yankees? Perhaps the baseball gods have turned against them after their collapse in the ALCS. Go Red Sox!

http://cache.boston.com/images/bostondirtdogs//Headline_Archives/T110804TheJoyofSox.jpg

A new age people! Accept it! :)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAgaspHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA no. :p

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAgaspHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA no. :p

You're in denial. But that's ok. It'll take awhile but people will realise the truth of the new order.

You're in denial. But that's ok. It'll take awhile but people will realise the truth of the new order.

Actually, you're wrong. I'm in CT. :D

The only way it could have turned out better was if it had been Free Hardball Day.

Actually, you're wrong. I'm in CT. :D

I noticed. Of course now I'm confused at you're meaning about being in CT. Either way I'll just play it safe and say:

GO RED SOX!

So what you're saying is that you want the rich to contribute an even greater percentage of the amount of revenue the government collects?

Which would be bad because .....?

His whole point is that (a) that statistic is misleading and (b) the rich aren't really overtaxed because they hide income.

I noticed. Of course now I'm confused at you're meaning about being in CT. Either way I'll just play it safe and say:

GO RED SOX!

I grew up a Yankees fan. In fact, here's a picture of the cake from my 30th birthday. The picture on the cake is from when I was about 4 (although I can't remember that detail for sure).

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6746/10001740df.jpg

I grew up a Yankees fan. In fact, here's a picture of the cake from my 30th birthday. The picture on the cake is from when I was about 4.

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6746/10001740df.jpg

Then I should blame your parents for bringing you up Yankee. That's ok, still time to join up with the good guys. Start by cursing Johnny Damon! It's easy once you get going!

Then I should blame your parents for bringing you up Yankee. That's ok, still time to join up with the good guys. Start by cursing Johnny Damon! It's easy once you get going!

But I do root for the good guys. :D

But I do root for the good guys. :D

I think you're mistaken. Doesn't matter really, things are starting off good this season. Hopefully things will keep going the way they are now! :)

I think you're mistaken. Doesn't matter really, things are starting off good this season. Hopefully things will keep going the way they are now! :)

Well, they're starting out about the same way they usually do. I expect the AL East to finish about the same as it has been for the past few years. Now if only the Mets can beat the Braves for the NL East this year.

Well, they're starting out about the same way they usually do. I expect the AL East to finish about the same as it has been for the past few years. Now if only the Mets can beat the Braves for the NL East this year.

Possible I guess. Braves keep making it to the postseason and lose quickly. Almost feel sorry for them, if I didn't consider them the Yankees of the National League. ;)

Possible I guess. Braves keep making it to the postseason and lose quickly. Almost feel sorry for them, if I didn't consider them the Yankees of the National League. ;)

Actually, I like to compare them to the Red Sox. Can't go all the way in the postseason, except one lucky year in recent memory. :p

Actually, I like to compare them to the Red Sox. Can't go all the way in the postseason, except one lucky year in recent memory. :p

With all that curse crap behind us, we can get down to winning again. Have to wait to see how things go this season but you always have hopes right? No way to tell how it will look come October. Yankees got lucky taking the division last season, perhaps they won't do so well this year? :)

As much as I'd like to, I didn't hear any booing. Do you have a more reliable source?

Reuters (http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=sportsNews&storyid=2006-04-11T180059Z_01_N11383794_RTRUKOC_0_US-BASEBALL-CHENEY.xml&rpc=22) good enough for you?

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A loud mixture of cheers and boos greeted Vice President Dick Cheney on Tuesday as he threw out the ceremonial first pitch at the Washington Nationals baseball game.

Cheney, wearing a red Nationals warmup jacket, tossed a pitch that reached Nationals catcher Brian Schneider on one bounce.

The vice president, whose popularity is slumping along with that of President Bush, walked out on the field to cheering and booing from the near-sellout crowd. The boos appeared to be little louder than the cheers at RFK Memorial Stadium.

Must be an awfully slow news day around your world for you all to take such pleasure in a bunch of ill-mannered morons booing Dick Cheney at a Nationals game. Many of the same people are lining up to buy tickets for when the Giants come to town so that they can toss syringes at Barry Bonds as he trots out onto the field, no doubt. Are you all so ideologically bankrupt as to support that kind of behavior?

Oh, my bad. Obviously you are.

Must be an awfully slow news day around your world for you all to take such pleasure in a bunch of ill-mannered morons booing Dick Cheney at a Nationals game. Many of the same people are lining up to buy tickets for when the Giants come to town so that they can toss syringes at Barry Bonds as he trots out onto the field, no doubt. Are you all so ideologically bankrupt as to support that kind of behavior?

Oh, my bad. Obviously you are.

I wish I had video of Bush throwing in Cincinnati, see the reaction here. Glad I didn't see the game though. Horrid.

With all that curse crap behind us, we can get down to winning again. Have to wait to see how things go this season but you always have hopes right? No way to tell how it will look come October. Yankees got lucky taking the division last season, perhaps they won't do so well this year? :)

They'll be fine, they know how to win. :)

Must be an awfully slow news day around your world for you all to take such pleasure in a bunch of ill-mannered morons booing Dick Cheney at a Nationals game. Many of the same people are lining up to buy tickets for when the Giants come to town so that they can toss syringes at Barry Bonds as he trots out onto the field, no doubt. Are you all so ideologically bankrupt as to support that kind of behavior?

Oh, my bad. Obviously you are.

Like I said in my first post on this thread, how do we know the fans weren't booing the Nationals? :D

Given the large percentage of Democrats in the DC area, it's not too surprising.

I'm not certain of this (I do know it's high), but something like 80% of DC denizens are democrats.... voting for their chicken in a pot.

hehe

Actually, you're wrong. I'm in CT. :D

Heya casino guy. Shoutout from Bridgeport! :cool:

Of course, then you would be subject to the bullshit self-employment tax which uses perceived, not actual, earnings for said company, at least if it's an LLC, to tax, which taxes at a rate of 15.3%, but which when added to your actual income depending on the bracket of your LLC is anywhere from 25-35%. Especially since the income you recieve from your 'company' assuming it provides some product will be less than the actual, not perceived earnings.

Unless the service you provide is static, you don't want to expand, and the service itself is non-physical.

So... let me get this straight. Other people incorporating and taking advantage of benefits of the tax benefits is BS... and having to pay taxes if you yourself incorporated is BS. I'm a little confused... :confused:

I'm not getting your second point. None of that precludes your being able to incorporate.