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A victory of sorts for "old" guys!

Eutrusca
11-04-2006, 16:22
COMMENTARY: A salute to this guy! Now all I have to do is wait until they open re-enlistment for guys my age! Sigh. Not very likely. :(


At 41, off to basic training! (javascript:open_window('http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/14312415.htm','news',700,400,'TR',0,5,0,'resizable=yes,scrollbars'))


By Edward Colimore
Inquirer Staff Writer
Jerry Giordano was turned down when he tried to join the Army after the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

He was 36 then. The limit for military recruits was 35.

Now the resident of Vineland, Cumberland County, is 41, and the Army has decided to welcome him into the ranks.

The age limit was raised to 42 in January to bolster recruitment, and that - plus the help of a congressman and an Army age waiver - cleared the way for him to leave April 20 for basic training.

"I feel like I did when I was a kid," said Giordano, a supervisor at the Limpert Bros. factory in Vineland, which makes ice cream toppings.

"When you're a teen, you look forward to driving a car, being able to drink, graduating from school. When you get to my age, there's nothing to look forward to." [ I totally disagree, but meh! ]

Yesterday, Giordano said he was planning a new life as an Army medic.

Entering the military at 41 is rare. Although this year's National Defense Authorization Act authorizes the services to accept active-duty recruits as old as 42, the Army usually cuts off recruiting at 40 - but sometimes makes exceptions to fill medical positions, said Douglas Smith, a spokesman for the Army Recruiting Command at Fort Knox, Ky.

"There has been an effort to broaden the pool of potential enlistees," Smith said yesterday. Older "people are in better shape these days, so the age limit was increased. It took legislation to make the change for the active Army."

The Army's waiver for Giordano apparently took into account his motivation and desire for medical training, Smith said.

No statistics were available on how many enlistees older than 40 the Army has accepted since the age increase.

Steven Silver, 61, director of the Coatesville Veterans Affairs Medical Center's post-traumatic stress disorder center, also is seeking to enter the military.

Silver, a Marine Corps veteran of Vietnam who lives in Coatesville, said he hoped to fill a psychologist's position in the Pennsylvania Army National Guard and serve in Iraq.

He said yesterday that he expected to find out by June whether the Army had granted him an age waiver.

But Giordano's long wait is over. He said he was finally doing what he had set out to do when he was 18.

"I took the test then to be a Marine, but my family didn't want me to go in," said Giordano, who is married and has children. "I was an only child."

Entering the military is "fulfilling a lifetime dream," he added. "It's an adventure. I feel like a kid again. When 9/11 happened, that gave me the incentive to do something. I wanted to be involved."

Giordano said he had continued trying to get into the military even after being turned down the first time.

When the Army raised the age limit for reservists to 40 in March 2005, he thought he had another chance. Maybe he could get in under the wire while the service was trying boost sagging recruitment.

Giordano was turned down again and "felt hurt" and frustrated.

When the age limit was raised two more years, Giordano applied for active duty. He was accepted, he said, after U.S. Rep. Frank LoBiondo (R., N.J.) intervened with the Army. LoBiondo was visiting troops in Iraq and Afghanistan yesterday and unavailable for comment.

"It's been an uphill climb," Giordano said, "but I've been extremely motivated."

After basic training at Fort Leonard Wood, Mo., he will learn to become a medic at Fort Sam Houston, Texas.

"They need medics all over the place," Giordano said. "I don't know where I would be deployed, but I'd like to go to Iraq or Afghanistan. I want to help. I want to do something."
Dubya 1000
11-04-2006, 16:23
Now that right there is what I call a model citizen.
Eutrusca
11-04-2006, 16:25
Now that right there is what I call a model citizen.
Perhaps so. It will be interesting to see how he does in Basic. If he makes it through, he'll probably be a really good medic. :)
Dubya 1000
11-04-2006, 16:26
Perhaps so. It will be interesting to see how he does in Basic. If he makes it through, he'll probably be a really good medic. :)
What happens if he washes out?
BogMarsh
11-04-2006, 16:27
What happens if he washes out?


Why, then he becomes a really bad medic...
Cheese penguins
11-04-2006, 16:30
What happens if he washes out?
He will get booted from teh army. but good on him, life long dream GOOD FOR HIM!! :)
Eutrusca
11-04-2006, 16:35
What happens if he washes out?
He'll probably have an opportunity to recycle back to the start of Basic, but if you wash out of medic's training they usually make you a cook or a truck driver or somesuch.
Eutrusca
11-04-2006, 16:36
Why, then he becomes a really bad medic...
Nope. Can't get to Advanced Individual Training ( AIT ) without going through Basic. Sorry. :p
Eutrusca
11-04-2006, 16:37
He will get booted from teh army. but good on him, life long dream GOOD FOR HIM!! :)
As I recall, you can be recycled twice, but if you still can't get through Basic, you're released from the military as untrainable.

I rather suspect this guy will kill himself trying to get through rather than allow himself to fail.
Dubya 1000
11-04-2006, 16:38
He will get booted from teh army. but good on him, life long dream GOOD FOR HIM!! :)
what the?!!
Dubya 1000
11-04-2006, 16:40
As I recall, you can be recycled twice, but if you still can't get through Basic, you're released from the military as untrainable.

I rather suspect this guy will kill himself trying to get through rather than allow himself to fail.
So, if there was a draft, and you had a bunch of unwilling slackers, how would you get them through boot camp?
Eutrusca
11-04-2006, 16:41
So, if there was a draft, and you had a bunch of unwilling slackers, how would you get them through boot camp?
Heh! You need to talk to a Drill Instructor from the Vietnam era. They HAVE their ways! :D
Mariehamn
11-04-2006, 16:42
[ I totally disagree, but meh! ]
Whaddya mean Eut? Are you saying there's something more to life than killing brain cells?
*finishes joint and goes to watch TV with a cold beer and burritos*
Those crazy cells are going to die sooner or later anyhow, so what's it really matter?
Dubya 1000
11-04-2006, 16:42
Heh! You need to talk to a Drill Instructor from the Vietnam era. They HAVE their ways! :D
Tell me more.
Eutrusca
11-04-2006, 17:57
Tell me more.
First, there's the "Drill Instructor's Voice of Doom," which has been known to make grown men faint dead away, even from over a mile away.

Second, there's the "Clean the Latrine Until You Feel Mean" approach, which is always a good motivator.

Third, there's the dreaded "Fatherly Talk," which almost always brings men to tears.

Fourth, there are the Article Fifteen and General Courts Martial, which can be used as last resorts.

All in all, a pretty good "tool kit," wouldn't you say? :)
Gun Manufacturers
12-04-2006, 05:03
So, if there was a draft, and you had a bunch of unwilling slackers, how would you get them through boot camp?

Watch the beginning of Full Metal Jacket, and you will understand. :eek:
Kinda Sensible people
12-04-2006, 05:08
So, if there was a draft, and you had a bunch of unwilling slackers, how would you get them through boot camp?

For the most part, once you were in Basic, you were past the point where you were likely to try to "quit" using that method. By that point, most unwilling draftees were either serving time for refusing the draft, or in Canada.
Boonytopia
12-04-2006, 05:20
Not my cup of tea, but good on him for persevering.
Dubya 1000
12-04-2006, 06:10
First, there's the "Drill Instructor's Voice of Doom," which has been known to make grown men faint dead away, even from over a mile away.

Second, there's the "Clean the Latrine Until You Feel Mean" approach, which is always a good motivator.

Third, there's the dreaded "Fatherly Talk," which almost always brings men to tears.

Fourth, there are the Article Fifteen and General Courts Martial, which can be used as last resorts.

All in all, a pretty good "tool kit," wouldn't you say? :)
So you mean the army isn't all fun and games:eek:
NERVUN
12-04-2006, 06:17
First, there's the "Drill Instructor's Voice of Doom," which has been known to make grown men faint dead away, even from over a mile away.
So Robert Heinlein was right about sargents then?
Carisbrooke
12-04-2006, 11:00
My Dad was a Sergeant Major in the Royal Marines, But I think that things have changed quite a bit since his day, I used to have a boyfriend in the army, and his basic training was very different to my dads....
Monkeypimp
12-04-2006, 11:07
What happens if he washes out?


They give him a gun and send him to Iraq..
Kyronea
12-04-2006, 11:35
Query: can one actually sign up to try to be a cook or something similar? I ask so that, in the unlikely instance of a draft, I can beat it to the chase and sign up for what I want rather than what I would such at: that being a front line soldier.
Harlesburg
12-04-2006, 12:56
my Grandfather was 31 at the start of WWII and he served the whole war.Killed some Germans and plenty of Italians too
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Back in the day he(Article Guy) would have beeen the right age for Company leader or above.
Carisbrooke
12-04-2006, 12:58
my Grandfather was 31 at the start of WWII and he served the whole war.Killed some Germans and plenty of Italians too
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Back in the day he(Article Guy) would have beeen the right age for Company leader or above.


!939 - 45? Good on him.
Kalmykhia
12-04-2006, 13:04
First, there's the "Drill Instructor's Voice of Doom," which has been known to make grown men faint dead away, even from over a mile away.

Second, there's the "Clean the Latrine Until You Feel Mean" approach, which is always a good motivator.

Third, there's the dreaded "Fatherly Talk," which almost always brings men to tears.

Fourth, there are the Article Fifteen and General Courts Martial, which can be used as last resorts.

All in all, a pretty good "tool kit," wouldn't you say? :)
My girlfriend's dad was a drill sergeant, and has the voice of doom... Luckily I've only ever met him twice...
Good on the guy for joining, and double plus good for being a medic. Specially if he's a battlefield medic, that job takes balls.
Harlesburg
12-04-2006, 13:05
!939 - 45? Good on him.
Yep, he barely passed pyhsical apparently because of veracos(sp) veins and only joined up mostly to keep my Great Uncle safe.
He even went through enemy lines to another Battalion's area(he was in 28th and my GU was in 22nd) to see him after the dispatch came through saying he'd been wounded pretty badly.
Cost him a promotion after going after the request was denied.:p

My other Grandfather served too.