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Please for the love of God tell me it's fake. It can't be true. No, no, it can't be. :eek:

What? You didn't know?

No, I knew about the actual surveillance... not the posters, though.

That's just... gross.

That's just... gross.
Someone needs to start selling Guy Fawkes masks.

Anyways, there are posters all over our buses here that ask us to report anything suspicious ("A bag without a person? It doesn't make sense!")

Anyways, there are posters all over our buses here that ask us to report anything suspicious ("A bag without a person? It doesn't make sense!")

We have that here too, but we're in Israel.

Yeah, it's real.

I've been telling people for years that tony blair and his cronies are corrupt fascists, but people laughed at me and pointed. "Look at the funny tory man" they'd say. In the long run, however, it seems I am being proved increasingly correct. Tony Blair and his administration have consistently erroded civil liberties, and will continue to do so as long as they are in power.

Nothing will be done about it though; for several reasons: Firstly, most europeans seem to have the idea that there is "too much free speech." They base this upon the fact that Hitler came to power, and therefore free speech must be curtailed. I blame this attitude on the complete failure of all historians and history teachers everywhere on the planet since the 1960s. (You know who you are 'fess up). Secondly - and this is often bandied about - you'll hear people say "well, labour gave us one thing the tories never did: economic stability!" Apart from the obvious fact that the same plaudit could be given to Mussolini, it seems that the vast majority of the UK populace (or at least the voting part) is concerned only with the value of residential property.

So all in all, the populace of the UK is quite happy to sit at home watching the BBC, under the rule of a psycopath and congenital liar who is under the impression that he was placed in number 10 to do the will of god.

And of course, like all good fascists, New Labour has no actual interest in maintaining civil order, or actually prosecuting actual criminals. Instead, they are quite prepared sub silento to foster an atmosphere that promotes petty theiving and assualt because it promotes a general unease and agitiation among the populace, and therefore gives them excuse to expand the unchecked powers of an already overly intrusive government even further. I can see the day when silly things like criminal trials, debate upon new "laws" in the house of commons (don't laugh the labour party is trying to eliminate as we speak) and judicial oversight are consigned to the ash heap of history.

The press of course, and I mean here specifically the manchester guardian, will go along with this however. Partly because the are the lap-dogs of the fascists in Westminster, but mostly because they are probably scared of losing the few privileges they have left.

And you can discount the BBC, they are nothing more than an organ of the government.

I wonder how well it would go over in America. O.O!?

I wonder how well it would go over in America. O.O!?
You think similar things don't go on in all major countries?

You think similar things don't go on in all major countries?

Its a little over the top, and it even says so. On the scale its being done....I'll say that not all major countries are like this.

Its a little over the top, and it even says so. On the scale its being done....I'll say that not all major countries are like this.
Not at that scale yet, but damned close to it.

Not at that scale yet, but damned close to it.

Explain. :O

Yeah, it's real.*ahem* Tony Blair has very little power over TfL. If you want to blame someone, blame Ken Livingston and the American Bob Kiley.

Explain. :O
Every day, governments get new technologies, new programs, etc. that allow them to do this kind of thing. And they're even making legislation making it perfectly legal to monitor you at their own whimsies. *CoughPatriotActCough*

With the amount of crime that occurs on London public transport, and the unwillingness of people to come forward when these crimes do occur, I have no problem with there being CCTV on tha majority of buses, trains and tubes.

Every day, governments get new technologies, new programs, etc. that allow them to do this kind of thing. And they're even making legislation making it perfectly legal to monitor you at their own whimsies. *CoughPatriotActCough*

Not like they monitor everything or everyone. I'd have been arrested for looking at pr0n when 17 then! :P

Not like they monitor everything or everyone. I'd have been arrested for looking at pr0n when 17 then! :P
Just because they don't ACT on all of it, doesn't mean they don't SEE all of it. ;)

Not like they monitor everything or everyone. I'd have been arrested for looking at pr0n when 17 then! :P

There's a camera in your monitor you know :) watching you, right... now.

Hmmm...it's in the UK...

Official Opinion: You shouldn't have conquered Scotland.

Yes, it's true. And not in the good way. When will we learn, we need to keep this information away from publicv eyes? And use our power with responsibility?

Were is our totalitarian, sensible police state?

Two jags is using it for a cushion.

There's a camera in your monitor you know :) watching you, right... now.

OH GOD! OH GOD! OH GOD!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :headbang: :headbang:
AHHHHHHH! DAMN TECHOCRATS!

Hmmm...it's in the UK...

Official Opinion: You shouldn't have conquered Scotland.

I thought that is was the other way around. Queen Elizabeth died and we got James.

Can you say "incipient paranoia," boys and girls? :D

Can you say "incipient paranoia," boys and girls? :D
Pff, who's paranoid? I give 'em a show!

Can you say "incipient paranoia," boys and girls? :D

Ya. No one can really see all and hear all....except maybe God. XD
But Big Bro...NOPE!

The question is: What are you going to do about it?

Nothing? Well, it looks like all those years of brainwashing are paying off.

The question is: What are you going to do about it?

Nothing? Well, it looks like all those years of brainwashing are paying off.

RIOT IN THE STREETS!

*ahem* Tony Blair has very little power over TfL. If you want to blame someone, blame Ken Livingston and the American Bob Kiley.

Oh stop. Ken Livingstone is only mayor because T B. Liar and his bunch resurected greater london.

Anyway, I was addressing the larger point that the english are quite prepared to flush any civil liberties they may have down the toilet so long as their house prices go up.

"For those in the know, here is a very splendid picture of a hipopotomus" WTF?

http://www.samizdata.net/blog/hacks_archives/002423.html

Pff, who's paranoid? I give 'em a show!
Heh! Uh ... care to explain that one? :confused:

"For those in the know, here is a very splendid picture of a hipopotomus" WTF?

http://www.samizdata.net/blog/hacks_archives/002423.html

May I suggest, though I am not in the know, it's a rather amusing picture of the person bhind this propaganda? And I'm no on abou the posters...

Ya. No one can really see all and hear all....except maybe God. XD
But Big Bro...NOPE!
One of the biggest problems with intel of any sort, particularly visual intel, is the daunting task of sorting through the sheer volume of it.

Can you say "incipient paranoia," boys and girls? :D
Well, we were thinking about this last night in bed and we're definitely not paranoid.

Heh! Uh ... care to explain that one? :confused:
If they're watching to get something incriminating out of your life, you might as well mess with their minds and give 'em something to think about/drool over, depending on your mood. :p

One of the biggest problems with intel of any sort, particularly visual intel, is the daunting task of sorting through the sheer volume of it.

It's actually not a problem. CCTV is going to be hooked up to computers that can read license plates.

This will mean that citations can be issued automatically.

Of course, the chance of recieving police assistance if you are raped or robbed is virtually nil. But the government gets its coin, and that's what counts.

BTW, if someone breaks into your house over there, don't fight back. You may be prosecuted for assualt.

May I suggest, though I am not in the know, it's a rather amusing picture of the person bhind this propaganda? And I'm no on abou the posters...

>.> Who is that?

Well, we were thinking about this last night in bed and we're definitely not paranoid.
You definitely need to think about other things when you're in bed! :p

If they're watching to get something incriminating out of your life, you might as well mess with their minds and give 'em something to think about/drool over, depending on your mood. :p
ROFLMAO! I love the way you think! :D

ROFLMAO! I love the way you think! :D
*Curtsies*

If someone was watching me and I knew it, I would constantly piss them off. :D

Oh stop. Ken Livingstone is only mayor because T B. Liar and his bunch resurected greater london.

Anyway, I was addressing the larger point that the english are quite prepared to flush any civil liberties they may have down the toilet so long as their house prices go up.Yes they did, then promptly kicked Livingston out when he run for mayor as well as the official labour candidate... and then won as an independent. And then Blair was forced to allow Livingston back into the labour party. There's no way Blair would abolish one of his flagship pieces or regional governence. Livingston is also quite popular among Londoners. Thus he was relative autonomy from central government, as opposed to local government.

The GLA also has responsibilities for a few key areas, which among others are Transport and Policing. This poster falls under both these areas. It is Livingston's and Kiley's brainchild.

RIOT IN THE STREETS!

Ehh. Too much work.

>.> Who is that?
The one who wrote this ridiculous article! If the government denies it then it's not happening, because they want you t beieve it's happening when it's not so it can't be happening even though it is because it isn't.

I don't know aything about government plans. I swear!

All I have to say is WTF

BTW, if someone breaks into your house over there, don't fight back. You may be prosecuted for assualt.That's only if you do the equivalent to hacking their limbs off with a machette.

Ehh. Too much work.

It usually works....like in France. XD

That's only if you do the equivalent to hacking their limbs off with a machette.

Least that's reasonable. ^-^

Not only does this fail to surprise me, this fails to worry me.

If I'm dumb enough to commit a crime in front of a camera, I deserve to be caught. If I'm foolish enough to commit a crime worthy of police attention (current trends indicate the minimum requirement to be ABH or more than £100 worth from a single theft) then I deserve to be caught.

If I'm foolish enough to believe in democracy, I deserve a police state.

Buy illegal cigarettes. Smoke illegal substances. Download music, films and software. Persuade your local barmaid to scam insurance for free drinks (She is such a sweetheart ;) ). Get stuff off the back of a lorry.

I will never advocate freedom over unity. But I'll take anarchy over democracy any day.

If someone was watching me and I knew it, I would constantly piss them off. :D

To tell the truth, I'd probably piss them off even if I didn't know they were watching.

ROFLMAO! I love the way you think! :D

I must agree. :D

*Curtsies*
[ grabs you and runs off to find an active camera somewhere! ] :D

I must agree. :D
Heh! A man of taste and distinction! :D

[ grabs you and runs off to find an active camera somewhere! ] :D
Ooh! I see one! Over there, in the light fixture!

Heh! A man of taste and distinction! :D

A connoisseur, if you will. :D

Ooh! I see one! Over there, in the light fixture!

Eh? This one cooperates! That's new. :D

Ooh! I see one! Over there, in the light fixture!
[ Performs vile, disgusting, yet strangely arousing deeds on you! ] :D

Eh? This one cooperates! That's new. :D
Bah, cooperation implies that you don't enjoy it.

A connoisseur, if you will. :D
And here I had underestimated you! Tsk! Same on me. A thousand pardons Effendi! :D

Bah, cooperation implies that you don't enjoy it.

Well, enjoying it is new as well, I suppose. Regardless, it's all good :fluffle:

[ Performs vile, disgusting, yet strangely arousing deeds on you! ] :D
"..Is that what I think it is?...No, not..Oh! Maybe YES, there!"

Bah, cooperation implies that you don't enjoy it.
LOL! Well, as long as being uncooperative still implies consent, who's quibbling! :D

"..Is that what I think it is?...No, not..Oh! Maybe YES, there!"
ROFLMFAO!!! All that and intellect as well! W00t! :D

I wonder how well it would go over in America. O.O!?

There would probably be riots if a poster like that, and fascist capabilities like those Britain institutes, appeared in America. We just don't take well to fascist pigdog bullshit like that.

I wonder how well it would go over in America. O.O!?

We don't have posters like those here, thank heavens.

We do have, "If you see something, SAY something" posters.

Bah, CCTV cameras are nothing compared to the ID cards that the government is trying to introduce. Why bother with CCTV when they'll be able to track movements by seeing when and where you last had to prove your indentity. Such as withdrawing cash from an ATM, making a purchase at a shop, entering Central London in a car, using London Transport's oyster system of payment, passing into greater london full stop by 2008. The National Identity Registry can be expanded to hold any infomation at the home secretary's discretion. The Home Office will be able to add and amend any data on your file without notifying you. Private firms will have access to your records and can tie their own records with your NIR number. The British public will be compeled to have an ID card by being required to get one if they attempt to get a passport, driver's licence or other form of ID. The ID card will quickly become pretty much the sole way to prove your identity. The Home Office will also have the power to suspend or revoke your ID card at anytime, meaning you will have essentially become non-person within the country.

http://www.no2id.net/
http://www.no2id.net/images/cartoons/NO2ID_godfather.jpg