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The investigation continues in Ontario after 8 people were found freshly murdered on a farmer’s property, stuffed inside their own vehicles. Very quickly there was speculation of Biker Gang involvement, when it was revealed that biker gang members liked to own property in the rural areas, of southwestern Ontario. All of the victims were either full members, associate members, or prospects of the Banditos, a biker gang. Police, in what they are referring to as “internal cleansing”, have arrested five people, also members of the Banditos. For the police it means 13 less bike gang members on the streets. They’re nothing more than parasites on our society and they don’t deserve much less.

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/pix/muscederejohn_cp_9817225.jpg

Good riddance to this greasy piece of crap. If you look at the patch on his leathers it says that he’s a “1%er”. To get this patch in the Hell’s Angels or the affiliated outlaw biker gangs they use for their dirty work, you have to prove that you have killed so many people, raped so many women, and generally ticked off a very disgusting and illegal checklist. Then they give you the 1%er patch to wear as a badge of honour in Biker Gangs, to show that you’re more dangerous than even the other bikers. Thing about that the next time some idiot talks to you about how harmless the Hell’s Angels and other biker gangs are.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/04/10/bodies-field060410.html

He looks like a real sweatheart doesn't he?

AND is it me, or is he wearing make-up?

He looks like a real sweatheart doesn't he?

AND is it me, or is he wearing make-up?Nah, that's a sunburn.

They look like they'd charm the paint off walls.What the hell did the do to piss off their own gang? jerking off in the bosses gas tank??

Good riddance to this greasy piece of crap. If you look at the patch on his leathers it says that he’s a “1%er”. To get this patch in the Hell’s Angels or the affiliated outlaw biker gangs they use for their dirty work, you have to prove that you have killed so many people, raped so many women, and generally ticked off a very disgusting and illegal checklist. Then they give you the 1%er patch to wear as a badge of honour in Biker Gangs, to show that you’re more dangerous than even the other bikers. Thing about that the next time some idiot talks to you about how harmless the Hell’s Angels and other biker gangs are.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/04/10/bodies-field060410.html
I always thought it was a reaction to the AMA saying that 99% of motorcyclists are law abiding people and only 1% are causing trouble as a reaction to the Hollister 'bike riot' in 1947. The bikers started wearing the patches in response.

But I don't get a lot of playground rumors, so I don't have any theories on where Jimmy Hoffa is buried either.

Maybe they were skimming money from the proceeds of drugs and prostitution, and the bosses were displeased. They might have even been suspected of giving evidence against their own kind, to save their own skins. Might have even been a power struggle over the control of a chapter of the gang. Maybe they were freelancing for a rival gang. It’s hard to say with these things.

I always thought it was a reaction to the AMA saying that 99% of motorcyclists are law abiding people and only 1% are causing trouble as a reaction to the Hollister 'bike riot' in 1947. The bikers started wearing the patches in response.

But I don't get a lot of playground rumors, so I don't have any theories on where Jimmy Hoffa is buried either.

Great, another person believing that members of outlaw biker gangs are all lawyers and doctors having recreational weekends on the road. The activities of outlaw biker gangs are very well documented, despite their propaganda saying otherwise. They are organized crime. It’s like watching the Sopranos and thinking that the Italian Mafia are the good guys too.

Great, another person believing that members of outlaw biker gangs are all lawyers and doctors having recreational weekends on the road. The activities of outlaw biker gangs are very well documented, despite their propaganda saying otherwise. They are organized crime. It’s like watching the Sopranos and thinking that the Italian Mafia are the good guys too.
Huh. Well, you don't need me for this...

I don't think you have any right to judge people by their appearance. Bikers dress to impress, to be sure but a lot of the leather gear is for safety and protection. :cool:
As for the 1% badge, this can be worn by anyone in the world. You don't have to prove yourself to earn it at all, what inflated nonsense! The OP must read the tabloid press and believe every bit of sensationistic bullcrap in it. :rolleyes:
I'm a supporter of the HA in UK and USA. As soon as this shooting was public knowledge, the HA denied that is was anything to do with them.
The Bandidos are a separate club, and known rivals to other biker clubs but this was an internal piece of business. OK so they killed a bunch of guys but it's not affecting anyone else but them. No great loss, anyway! :mp5:

For factual unbiased report:-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4897670.stm

Just out of curiosity, since you seem pretty happy about how there's 13 less biker gangsters on the streets, why does your post have the thumbs down icon?

Just out of curiosity, since you seem pretty happy about how there's 13 less biker gangsters on the streets, why does your post have the thumbs down icon?

I’m disgusted to live in a society where organized crime isn’t just thriving, it’s practically calling the shots, right up to the political level. They practically own a lot of our cities. It’s a sad parasitic part of humanity that we can't seem to or the powers that be are unwilling to shake.

I’m disgusted to live in a society where organized crime isn’t just thriving...

Then live somewhere else! :confused:

Then live somewhere else! :confused:

Name me one country that isn’t completely infected by organized crime. I’m guessing the Antarctic research stations are full up this time of year.

Bikers dress to impress

They do? Who are they trying to IMPRESS? A decent suit, nice shirt and tie with good clean shoes is dressing to impress, not wearing manky old leathers and filthy tatty jeans, thats dressing to INTIMIDATE.....plus the sunburn makes him look like a failed transvestite, if I were him I would pop on a bit of sun block...or maybe if he prefers, a dab of foundation and some lip liner...

In Canada, we’ve had a lot of problems with the Hell’s Angels, not just in Quebec. BC is the richest Hells Angel chapter in North America because of a lack of competition and until recently a lack of heat on them from law enforcement as long as they don't embarrass them publicly (like murdering a bunch of people for instance and having it covered by the media). In cities like Nanaimo they practically are the Chamber of Commerce. When I was in the military they were always having members try to join. I knew a lot of small communities where they had trouble with them, mostly to do with drugs and rape.

I even ended up knowing one of them briefly. He did seem like a nice enough guy, but when it was found that he was a bouncer at a Hell’s Angel club he was dishonorably discharged for not coming clean on his criminal affiliations. They wanted military training and access to guns. There were instances of the Hells Angels being behind the theft of military arms. Gang Chapters often have standing bounties on things like rocket launchers for instance.

The Bruce

Your complaints have very little to do with the original post, which just quoted a report about a shoot out in Canada. Big deal! This kind of thing goes on all the time but because recognisable gangs were involved, it gets a load of hype and people start tutting and moaning that bikers are all drug-dealing, gun-toting scumbags.
As for corruption of the law, the state etc, there's no getting away from that as long as humans are greedy and unscrupulous. Tough luck, old bean but I think you may just have to accept that shit happens. :)

maybe they fell out over the make up thing?

Where I live, we don't have trouble like that, so come live here T.B. I already have lured one good Canadian boy to my lovely island....

maybe they fell out over the make up thing?

Where I live, we don't have trouble like that, so come live here T.B. I already have lured one good Canadian boy to my lovely island....

TB? I don’t know of any place in Great Britain by those initials, city or shire. Is it one of those Thompson on Bedford type of names. Having a fair grasp of the English map I’m now curious.

I have heard the badgers can be ferocious when cornered though. :)

I always thought it was a reaction to the AMA saying that 99% of motorcyclists are law abiding people and only 1% are causing trouble as a reaction to the Hollister 'bike riot' in 1947. The bikers started wearing the patches in response.

But I don't get a lot of playground rumors, so I don't have any theories on where Jimmy Hoffa is buried either.


1%ers represent the one percent of bikers who are in motorcycle gangs.

Doctors and lawyers ride Harleys, and so do gangsters who will kill you.

The gangsters are in the minority of people who ride motorcycles.

Name me one country that isn’t completely infected by organized crime. I’m guessing the Antarctic research stations are full up this time of year.
Scotland. They need more people and they're generally quite friendly there, too. The countryside is beautiful and there isn't much unemployment. Hurrah!

TB? I don’t know of any place in Great Britain by those initials, city or shire. Is it one of those Thompson on Bedford type of names. Having a fair grasp of the English map I’m now curious.

I have heard the badgers can be ferocious when cornered though. :)

T(he) B(ruce).

T(he) B(ruce).

You know that makes much more sense now that you pointed that out... :) Here I am thinking, I thought I knew geography way better than this. Scotland is a place I've always wanted to go to.

1%ers represent the one percent of bikers who are in motorcycle gangs.

Doctors and lawyers ride Harleys, and so do gangsters who will kill you.

The gangsters are in the minority of people who ride motorcycles.
I keep going over my post about the actual historical context of the 1%er thing trying to find this reference to lawyers and doctors, and I'm just not seeing it...

TB? I don’t know of any place in Great Britain by those initials, city or shire. Is it one of those Thompson on Bedford type of names. Having a fair grasp of the English map I’m now curious.

I have heard the badgers can be ferocious when cornered though. :)

I am sorry, the T.B. Bit was for The Bruce, I should have made it clearer. I have heard that too about badgers. Although where I live is very rural and has loads of farmland, I have never come across a badger any closer than seen tham run across in the distance, or run over.

My island is lovely and has loads of neat places for mountain biking...

I keep going over my post about the actual historical context of the 1%er thing trying to find this reference to lawyers and doctors, and I'm just not seeing it...

I was refering to:

Great, another person believing that members of outlaw biker gangs are all lawyers and doctors having recreational weekends on the road. The activities of outlaw biker gangs are very well documented, despite their propaganda saying otherwise. They are organized crime. It’s like watching the Sopranos and thinking that the Italian Mafia are the good guys too.

and backing you.

And trying to say "not all bikers are in outlaw biker gangs (as if there was another type)".

Yay?

I am sorry, the T.B. Bit was for The Bruce, I should have made it clearer. I have heard that too about badgers. Although where I live is very rural and has loads of farmland, I have never come across a badger any closer than seen tham run across in the distance, or run over.

My island is lovely and has loads of neat places for mountain biking...

Granted it would be nice to be able to go cycling in the country where you didn’t have to carry a bottle of “Bad Bear!” spray because you went off the beaten track. I’ve already come close to having to teeth a black bear with my mountain bike once already. Not something I ever, ever want to do again.

I was refering to:



and backing you.

And trying to say "not all bikers are in outlaw biker gangs (as if there was another type)".

Yay?
I didn't really read the last line, so bad on me. I was still spun by the initial response and 'pulled the trigger' a little too soon. Sorry man.

I’m not saying that everyone who goes out for a ride on their bike or is an AMA member is a member of organized crime. The only time you’ll see an AMA badge worn by gang members in outlaw motorcycle gangs is when they’re in someone else’s turf and it’s like flying neutral colours. In protest some gang members are known to wear the AMA patch upside down, saying that they’re not pleased they can’t wear their colours.

Granted it would be nice to be able to go cycling in the country where you didn’t have to carry a bottle of “Bad Bear!” spray because you went off the beaten track. I’ve already come close to having to teeth a black bear with my mountain bike once already. Not something I ever, ever want to do again.

No bears, no wolves, no skunks, no snakes (well nothing to worry about) and hills, forrests and great ancient pathways to follow...do I sound like the tourist board yet?

No bears, no wolves, no skunks, no snakes (well nothing to worry about) and hills, forrests and great ancient pathways to follow...do I sound like the tourist board yet?

Yes, but at least a sincere member of the tourist board. http://67.18.37.14/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif

"not all bikers are in outlaw biker gangs (as if there was another type)".

There are plenty of 'types'. There are even a good few Christian Motorcycle Clubs (gangs, in your limited parlance) that would be loathe to consider themselves 'outlaws'. I've been in a few clubs myself, ridden around with like-minded people, partied hard and had a great time without having to involve guns or drugs at any point.

It's this kind of stereotyping at which that the 1% label was a sarcastic jibe. Those that wore the 1% patch back then were proud to be non-conformist and set apart from the other 99% of members of the AMA. Now, it has little meaning at all and I said earlier, anyone can sew a patch on their jacket saying 1%er. But you sew on a Hells Angels patch or a Bandidos patch for that matter, just for fun, and you will have a world of pain at your doorstep in no time at all.

So, until you've walked the walk, you don't have any right to judge. You may have an opinion but you're probably wrong, for the most part. :upyours:

Name me one country that isn’t completely infected by organized crime. Singapore. (there is others, but lets start with this one.)

They are organized crime. It’s like watching the Sopranos and thinking that the Italian Mafia are the good guys too.


If you have any experience with the russian or asian organized crime, then yeah-the Italian Mafia are the good guys.

Great, another person believing that members of outlaw biker gangs are all lawyers and doctors having recreational weekends on the road. The activities of outlaw biker gangs are very well documented, despite their propaganda saying otherwise. They are organized crime. It’s like watching the Sopranos and thinking that the Italian Mafia are the good guys too.
What where the hell did that come from? from what I can tell he was just explaining where he thought the 1% badge came from?

Someone is just looking for a fight and has to make one up when it was not brought to you

If you have any experience with the russian or asian organized crime, then yeah-the Italian Mafia are the good guys.
Russian organized crime is something to fear!! :( im glad i live far away from teh russians, and italians and well all organized crime unless... are tesco workers part of an organized crime syndicate?

Russian organized crime is something to fear!! :( im glad i live far away from teh russians, and italians and well all organized crime unless... are tesco workers part of an organized crime syndicate?

Yes! Didn't you know that? You should be VERY careful about who you look at in Tescos, they have this 'code' and it is a bit like Vendetta, but they call it the 'Bar Code' and they can put a price on your head, normally ending in 99p.......

Great, another person believing that members of outlaw biker gangs are all lawyers and doctors having recreational weekends on the road. The activities of outlaw biker gangs are very well documented, despite their propaganda saying otherwise. They are organized crime. It’s like watching the Sopranos and thinking that the Italian Mafia are the good guys too.
You seem to have completely missed the point.

The majority of people who ride motorcycles are not in gangs. Let's call them the 99%.

The 1% of people who ride motorcycles and are in gangs, are generally criminals or at least shady...like people in any kind of gang.

People who ride motorcycles != people who are in bike gangs.

So the 1% badge is like a declaration, "Hey, I'm one of the 1% of motorcycle riders who is a scumbag, har har!"

There was no defense of gang members in the post you replied to.

Gang Chapters often have standing bounties on things like rocket launchers for instance.

Yes because, you know, it isn't like using military arms doesn't bring down every level of state and federal government on your ass like stink on a monkey. I dunno, maybe you do things differently up in Canada, but down here in the states using anything classed as a destructive device without a permit is a good way to end up surrounded by BATF, FBI, and as many local cops as can be spared.

Then again, I'm sure you're right. Those icky low class greaseballs are probably too stupid to realize that any buisness they might have(legal or otherwise) immediately ends the moment they decide to use something as high profile as a rocket launcher. Please, criminals realize that unique weapons makes capture far more likely. Thats why 9mm is so popular a bullet in the inner city and thats why mob hits tend towards .22s.

Yes because, you know, it isn't like using military arms doesn't bring down every level of state and federal government on your ass like stink on a monkey. I dunno, maybe you do things differently up in Canada, but down here in the states using anything classed as a destructive device without a permit is a good way to end up surrounded by BATF, FBI, and as many local cops as can be spared.

Then again, I'm sure you're right. Those icky low class greaseballs are probably too stupid to realize that any buisness they might have(legal or otherwise) immediately ends the moment they decide to use something as high profile as a rocket launcher. Please, criminals realize that unique weapons makes capture far more likely. Thats why 9mm is so popular a bullet in the inner city and thats why mob hits tend towards .22s.

If gangs want rocket launchers they're usually to smuggle for export, not to use themselves.

Yes because, you know, it isn't like using military arms doesn't bring down every level of state and federal government on your ass like stink on a monkey. I dunno, maybe you do things differently up in Canada, but down here in the states using anything classed as a destructive device without a permit is a good way to end up surrounded by BATF, FBI, and as many local cops as can be spared.

Then again, I'm sure you're right. Those icky low class greaseballs are probably too stupid to realize that any buisness they might have(legal or otherwise) immediately ends the moment they decide to use something as high profile as a rocket launcher. Please, criminals realize that unique weapons makes capture far more likely. Thats why 9mm is so popular a bullet in the inner city and thats why mob hits tend towards .22s.

Funny you should mention rocket launchers...

http://www.torontosun.com/News/Canada/2006/04/11/1529480-sun.html

Kellestine was once charged with conspiracy to commit murder and possessing automatic weapons and a rocket launcher.

I guess we do things differently in Canada. I'm waiting for someone to tell me why...

There are plenty of 'types'. There are even a good few Christian Motorcycle Clubs (gangs, in your limited parlance) that would be loathe to consider themselves 'outlaws'. I've been in a few clubs myself, ridden around with like-minded people, partied hard and had a great time without having to involve guns or drugs at any point.

It's this kind of stereotyping at which that the 1% label was a sarcastic jibe. Those that wore the 1% patch back then were proud to be non-conformist and set apart from the other 99% of members of the AMA. Now, it has little meaning at all and I said earlier, anyone can sew a patch on their jacket saying 1%er. But you sew on a Hells Angels patch or a Bandidos patch for that matter, just for fun, and you will have a world of pain at your doorstep in no time at all.

So, until you've walked the walk, you don't have any right to judge. You may have an opinion but you're probably wrong, for the most part. :upyours:
Good to see someone with their head screwed on right.

Great, another person believing that members of outlaw biker gangs are all lawyers and doctors having recreational weekends on the road. The activities of outlaw biker gangs are very well documented, despite their propaganda saying otherwise. They are organized crime. It’s like watching the Sopranos and thinking that the Italian Mafia are the good guys too.
1) He didn't seem to be saying that. He seemed to be saying that they're stating that they're outlaws and bad-asses by wearing that patch.

2) There's no such thing as the Mafia. It's just a way to slander Italian-American people. Cut it out.

If gangs want rocket launchers they're usually to smuggle for export, not to use themselves.

I'd argue that that would be untrue. Finding something like a rocket launcher on the black market in the US or Canada for export would be like finding black market diamonds to export to the Congo. Military grade destructive devices are heavily regulated in the US and Canada, they are hard to find even if you have the right permits and you can guarantee that they are on the top of every law enforcement agency's list. Were talking about very high risk for relatively small profit, especially when you consider the fact that such weapons can be gotten easily and cheaply in any second or third world country.

You have to ask the question, who would these biker gangs be exporting rocket launchers to? Any first world nation would be in a similar position as the US or Canada, a rocket launcher is more of an albatross than an asset. Anyone who would have the money to buy a rocket launcher in central or south America would likely have a more convenient contact than Canadian biker gangs. The same can be said for anyone in Africa, Russia, or most of Asia.

I know that its popular to think of North America as the originator of all the black market small arms in the world, but it simply isn't the case. There are plenty of politically unstable nations where small arms can be legally obtained, and you have countries like Russia, China, Israel, and the Czech Republic who literally flood the world market with inexpensive weapons and don't really concern themselves with who buys what. While Canadian Biker gangs smuggling rocket launchers might make a good Bruce Willis movie, it isn't really much of a reality.