NationStates Jolt Archive

1st, to be clear, the 3 "Golden" Political Systems are (in order of their rule):

1.) Fascism
2.) Communism
3.) Democracy


Now for the questions... Is this the closing days for the last of the 3, Democracy? Is it time for a new challenger political system? Or is it the closing days of a fractured planet (unification of the nations or destruction of them...)?

Think about it, Democracy is proving less and less capable of insuring peace and stability what with the...

Increase in Terrorism :mp5:
Pollution and Destruction of the Environment :gundge:
Hatred to each other's beliefs :upyours:
Surprise and Confusion of the advancements in the Sciences :eek: :confused:
Inability for the Democracies to go to war :sniper:
Inability for them to help its people (Social Security...) :(
Inability to defeat the "poisons" like drugs :p
Inability for some to stop "incursions" (U.S. and its border problem...) :headbang:
And so on...

So what is new in all that? Nothing.
Oh and Fascism and Communism are not exclusive of democracy.

And precisely what would replace it?

And we should replace democracy with... what now?

So what is new in all that? Nothing.
Seconded.

Those were passing fads anyway.

We could see the emergence of dictatorships by consent, tyranny by the majority sort of thing, where the surrender of choice in favour of a comforting illusion is consciously embraced because for most people life stays OK and it feels good.

We could see the emergence of dictatorships by consent, tyranny by the majority sort of thing, where the surrender of choice in favour of a comforting illusion is consciously embraced because for most people life stays OK and it feels good.

What do you mean we could see. We are seeing this in the USA now.

What do you mean we could see. We are seeing this in the USA now.
Ha. Yes, in the UK probably too. Time will tell. :(

Go back to sleep. Sleeeeep... :)

We could see the emergence of dictatorships by consent, tyranny by the majority sort of thing, where the surrender of choice in favour of a comforting illusion is consciously embraced because for most people life stays OK and it feels good.

Quite so.

I am not sure what you mean by "So what is new about that? Nothing."

I am not implying that Communism, Fascism, and Democracy is the same. They are just the ones that were major ruling political system for some time(WW2 = Fascism, Cold War = Communsim, Present = Democracy).

And the questions were...

Is this the closing days for the last of the 3, Democracy? (Yes/No?, thoughts)
Is it time for a new challenger political system? (Yes/No?, thoughts)
Or is it the closing days of a fractured planet (unification of the nations or destruction of them...)? (thoughts)

I am not sure what you mean by "So what is new about that? Nothing."

I am not implying that Communism, Fascism, and Democracy is the same. They are just the ones that were major ruling ideologies for some time(WW2 = Fascism, Cold War = Communsim, Present = Democracy).
Get your concept of democracy sorted out. The Nazi party came to power initially in Germany democratically. Chavez is democratically elected in Venezuela. Neither Fascism nor Communism in any way preclude democracy, So they are not comparable ideologies.

And the questions were...

Is this the closing days for the last of the 3, Democracy? (Yes/No?, thoughts)
It is not an ideology, it is a political system. Is dictatorship an ideology? Any way no, it is stronger than ever.


Is it time for a new challenger ideology? (Yes/No?, thoughts)
What would it be and what would it be challenging? Democracy ids not an ideology, and if you want a dominant ideology to arise, try suggesting one that you want. If there is a rising ideology it is a religious based one.
Or is it the closing days of a fractured planet (unification of the nations or destruction of them...)? (thoughts) No. Lots of unification going on in the middle east I notice, and in the Americas, and Africa. The only exception is the EU.

"Democracy is the worst form of government, except all the others that have been tried." - Winston Churchill

:upyours: - AB Again.
lol, no I am just kidding about that one.




I won't try to defend my vocab, especially since it is wrong.

About my concept, I am not saying that Fascism came 1st, I am saying that the time period was with Fascist uprisings and the like, just like the Cold War was about Communist Expansion. Democracies coming to power came last.

About Democracy being stronger than ever, that I have to disagree with. It is purphaps in its weakest form now. The decadence and decay that is being shown by the "higher ups" (Rich:Poor money incomes, Politicians not doing the right thing, just the thing to get more votes...) is weaking the once "greatest" nation America into what it is becoming now...The U.S.

About Democracy being stronger than ever, that I have to disagree with. It is purphaps in its weakest form now. The decadence and decay that is being shown by the "higher ups" (Rich:Poor money incomes, Politicians not doing the right thing, just the thing to get more votes...) is weaking the once "greatest" nation America into what it is becoming now...The U.S.

America is in the same state of decadence that was the Roman Empire before it collapsed. Soon the Northern Barbarians will invade... and you'll all be saying "eh!"

:upyours: - AB Again.
lol, no I am just kidding about that one.




I won't try to defend my vocab, especially since it is wrong.

About my concept, I am not saying that Fascism came 1st, I am saying that the time period was with Fascist uprisings and the like, just like the Cold War was about Communist Expansion. Democracies coming to power came last.

About Democracy being stronger than ever, that I have to disagree with. It is purphaps in its weakest form now. The decadence and decay that is being shown by the "higher ups" (Rich:Poor money incomes, Politicians not doing the right thing, just the thing to get more votes...) is weaking the once "greatest" nation America into what it is becoming now...The U.S.


Troll? If so - dinner.

You still do not see that the Fascists in the 1930s came to power through Democracy do you?

Democracy has nothing to do with how those entrusted with power by the people act with that power. Democracy is about people believing in and wanting to have a political voice. That is something that is being more strongly polarised in most of the Western World. There are more people who simply do not care about politics, whilst, at the same time there are more people who are politicaly active.
Democracy has to include the option of saying 'yeah, whatever' to any political issue. As such even those who do not care are being democraticaly active.

I live in America, thank you very much, but I do not live in the U.S. of A. Don't make that mistake please.

Thats what I am saying, why did the Roman Empire fall, because people stoped wanting to do things for themselves. Just give me give me, then when a bad emperor to power what did they do but complain until someone else did something about it.

Communism is not a political system.

Personally I think a benevolent dictatorship or nonexclusive (not royal family-selected) government would be best.

One compassionate person ruling over everyone else. If he truly does know better, then things will go well. Problem is finding someone like that who won't become corrupt.

And precisely what would replace it?

a supreme ruler of the earth, as in me and my group will tak3e over the world and everything done anywhere on the globe would have to go through our decision team

Sorry but democracy will still be a democracy even if its tyranny by majority. Which it infact already is with the exception of the USA.

Well, I don't know about you but I could see that there is a diffence in America and the U.S.

No, I am not a troll, though I don't that will convince you.

YES, I know that the fascist uprisings came to power for the most by democracy.

And you said about democracy being about people just wanting to have a voice, but what if that voice is spoken to deaf ears, how can democracy still be able to rule the world when it indoctrinates its people into thinking their is no other way for them to be ruled?

a supreme ruler of the earth, as in me and my group will tak3e over the world and everything done anywhere on the globe would have to go through our decision team
Yea that sounds pretty good to me.

Which it infact already is with the exception of the USA.
Forgetting something? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Electoral_College)
Gore would have won Flordia if he hadn't made such a fuss about it and brought it to the Supreme Court.

Thats what I am saying, why did the Roman Empire fall, because people stoped wanting to do things for themselves. Just give me give me, then when a bad emperor to power what did they do but complain until someone else did something about it.

What exactly are you talking about here? The fall of the Roman Republic, or the fall of the Roman Empire? I'm assuming you mean the empire, (which was definitely not democratic) in which case it's fall had nothing to do with people relying on the state. It had more to do with corruption, letting their armed forces deteriorate and eventually being supplanted by waves of Germanic invasions.

Earlier references to Fascism being democratic is misleading. The Nazi party rose to power in a democracy, but through intimidation, lies and some outright voterigging. Once in power, they ceased to be a democracy.

As for Democracy, it's hardly on the way out. If you're reffering to the Capitalist/Democratic ideology espoused by the United States, economic globalisation is a sure sign that it's not going away anytime soon.